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Baha05 posted...

Naw you are just twisting things at this point just to have a point.

So you agree the series is a Rebirth?

Baha05 posted...

A title and a double meaning for the theme of the game but ultimately its the sequel to Remake and that already has a double meaning for its title too. Again words do that and there are ways one can play with words.

So Rebirth is just...a title but for some reason Remake has to be a thing you have to debate and defend?
Got it.

I guess it would be problematic to assume Rebirth was a term for the game as it means something new and fresh and not a remake of something but completely fresh.

If I called these games a Rebirth you would probably take an issue with that. Many call them a retelling. Because we all know what is going on.

Baha05 posted...

And its a title for the second game. Which would be better then calling it Remake Part II

Oh so Rebirth is just a title? Only a title?

we should have a holiday to celebrate the union people who bled and died on our behalf

Baha05 posted...

And how things word very easily varies based on context. Context wise The FFVII Trilogy of games we are getting can be both a remake and a continuation of the past games.

No it can't. The only people who argue this are people hellbent on defending Square's misuse of the word.

But what is Rebirth? Is it a remake or a rebirth?

Baha05 posted...

I mean if you want to ignore how things work go for it.

I am literally going by how things work and I am not alone here.

Baha05 posted...

this will be a big shock to most people:

Who are all these people that are being shocked? Are you the lone arbiter of this sacred knowledge?
Maybe think about that for a moment.

No one is shocked by what I said because it is known and true. If what you say is shocking maybe that is because you made it the fuck up.

Gwynevere posted...

The only reason this is much of a discussion to begin with is because square shat the bed and called FF7R a remake when it's actually more of a retelling or reboot

Before that it was pretty clear that shit like REmake and Link's Awakening are remakes, while Shadow of the Colossus ps3 and MGS HD collection were remasters. It's not a hard concept

Exactly.

We all know what a remake is. This is not difficult. Square purposely slapped it there and it turned out to be wrong.
So fans had to distort reality because that is what the hardcorest fanboys do.

StealThisSheen posted...

I'm not even criticizing FF7R. I fucking love FF7R. It's just, objectively, not a remake, and Square even acknowledged that by calling Part 2 something different, instead of "Remake Part 2."

Exactly.

Baha05 posted...

Yet the fact is that people are trying to side step the notion of a remake because they felt lied to for the first game despite anyone who was going to buy it already knew it was going to be a part 1 due to information being presented. And hell gamers have a hard time with accepting Pokmon Legends Arceus as a mainline game despite what was created by Gamefreak. Most people have it in their heads that they know more about a game then the damn people who created it.

This is false.
The word has meaning. You pretend it does not and you can just make it mean what you want.

This has nothing to do with whether someone likes or dislikes FF7r.
This has nothing to do with whether someone felt lied to by Square or not.

Facts are facts.

Baha05 posted...

Because people want to be right in their criticisms by side stepping the meaning of words.

You are the one doing that fyi

Good channel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtArKawnWNI

Especially the part discussing Han Solo

And saying "it just isn't the remake you wanted!" is the stupidest argument.

Fans don't get what they want all the time and they don't go "this is not a remake"

Brilliant Diamond is a remake. No one argues it is not. Yet it is NOT what people wanted for many different reasons.

Even the people saying FFVIIR is not a remake actually like it fyi. You just don't seem to comprehend how wrong Square is here. They even know and they did it on purpose fyi.

Baha05 posted...

Laugh all you want it more goes to show how limited a lot of people want to use terms and what not and thats a big problem in a lot of circles.

Limited? A term means what it means. You broke the meaning, you don't get to use the term.
The only reason this is even an argument is because fans bend over backwards to defend Square and distort reality for their misuse.

Baha05 posted...

Based on context yeah because that can very well fall under a remake and a sequel.

:'D

so he ever get a job?

how does he afford this?

Baha05 posted...

of course people will never accept it because again its not the remake they wanted and will fight tooth and nail against it.

You are literally arguing that I make a sequel to a movie but I have scenes from the first movie and make the actors act them out again that I have somehow remade the first movie. Lmao

this might be the downfall of the restaurant industry one day

Baha05 posted...

Because it is a remake

It was explained that it is not and you cannot refute it. Shouting "but it is!" doesn't make it so.

Baha05 posted...

Again not false, learn how words work.

Why do you need something that is literally not a Remake to be called a Remake? Because Square cannot be wrong?

Do Assassin Creed games typically have dating mini games like Mass Effect?

Baha05 posted...

And yet regardless of that it still falls under a remake because the term has multiple means and ways of being executed.

False.

StealThisSheen posted...

FFVIIR is actually neither. It's an entirely different game, all together, and it's even presented that way, story-wise.

she was about to go but then the ice cream in the fridge said "eat me"

pnut027 posted...

When I did my two weeks with the Reserves last year, my lab manager told me Id have to find someone to keep the testers cold overnight. I looked at her and said, Youre the damn lab manager and left. See yall in 15 days.

this needs to happen more and more

like what does a manager even do if they cannot manage who does what shift lmao?

who plays Abby?

Baha05 posted...

If you are willing to basically ignore the reality that there is no one definitive point to remakes that state they have to be 1:1 remakes. Thats the problem with FFVIIR that people cant grasp because they are upset it isnt a 1:1 remake.

False. FFVIIR brings up the events of the first game it cannot be considered a remake even on those terms

mystic_belmont posted...

If you can do everything with a skeleton crew, why hire anyone else.

At a certain point things have to stop actually get done.

exactly

and that is why people need to realize what nobody wants to work actually means

nobody wants to work is said so you don't quit knowing what they are doing

they tell you nobody wants to work as they burn resumes and refuse to hire anyone else because you are doing the job well enough they don't have to hire anyone else

they want you to believe people just don't want the jobs so you while stressed and frustrated...don't blame them, and they are the only one truly to blame

Doe posted...

Everyone in the X-men comics can think mutants are a different species than non-mutants, and they'd all be wrong as long as we're going by the common English definition of a species.

That is fine. I am talking the Marvel Universe canon not common English definition. Like don't think Xavier was ever like "hey guys we ARE humans!" which would be an important thing to do if the Marvel world worked this way.

Also how does mutant reproduction even work?

Like when a human has a mutant they have the x-gene and get some random power.

But when a mutant has a child they just...have basically the same power their parents had?

Like the Summers bros all got energy powers.
The Greys all telepathy.
Xavier kid super telepathy I guess though technically he has every power but he is kinda weird. Basically telepathic disassociative identity disorder.

The x-gene should just give a child a random power not an inherited one.

Doe posted...

Mutants are obviously not a different species regardless of what any of them or non mutants might think; mutants are born from non-mutants and mutants can have children with non-mutants.

Pretty sure canonically they are and Marvel portrays them as such by both humans and mutants, haters and lovers. Whether that makes scientific sense is a moot point because a gene won't give you laser eyes scientifically.

RetuenOfDevsman posted...

But that's becoming a more and more pointless distinction with how many high profile remakes don't really offer a different experience. Knowing whether they rewrote code is trivia.

This is what a remake is supposed to be.

People only argue different to defend FF7 and Square's odd choices.

Speciest not racist, humans don't have super powers.

His fans will fly all over the country to see him.

The good the bad and the ugly

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Sayoria posted...

People quit. That's why.

We used to have someone who carried sooooooooooo much weight at my job. He quit. And the burden of him leaving is very felt.

Yes but a bosses is supposed to plan for this.
So it is not the reason why. The reason is they don't want to hire for contingency.

And if that stresses you out they don't care. They won't care till you quit too.

FolkenRawr posted...

Oh yea, the Store Mgr left out of state about a month ago, hasn't been replaced and there was no ASM

The day is not going well. I shouldnt be this stressed over making coffee.

Also bosses do this because they can

If you are stressed out work still gets done right?
Yes?
So why should he hire another person?

FolkenRawr posted...

3 closers is already extremely stressful, entirely needlessly, 2 is just ridiculous

So your boss should hire more correct?

Now understand how stupid saying no one wants to work is when your boss refuses to hire more.

Billyionaire posted...

Writing a character who is supposed to represent Donald Trump into a fantasy novel for children would make it pure fiction.

Dante did this with himself and Virgil and others. Pure fiction is the book.

Even hardcore catholic christians understand...it was all made up- the comedy that is.

Dudebusters posted...

Users like ClayGuida are attempting to argue that the "far left" are just as bad as the "far right" and thus they're trying very desperately to make the term "blue maga" a thing. In other words

Gretchen, stop trying to make 'fetch' happen. It's not going to happen.

By Clay's logic, if you don't blame Democrats for this over calling out the Ohio legislature's dumb partisanship, you're as bad as actual Nazis, hence him trying to call people "blue maga"

Are you sure you are not confused? Clay got warned in my thread when I did for asking the typical "Biden gonna lose cause of Palestine" gang if they were going to vote for him or not etc.

Dudebusters posted...

lol ClayGuida broke out "blue maga" and then blocked me for calling him out for breaking out "blue maga"

Wtf is blue maga

Biden as Potus could just force them. Trump lawyers say so.

Caesar will rise

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

bruh the divine comedy is not one of the most enduring works of fiction just because kids have to read Inferno in school.

Its concepts and depictions of the afterlife were absolutely revolutionary considering this was made in the 1300s

This work was mostly forgotten about during the enlightenment actually.

Dante wrote about things that were more or less the thought of the common man (maybe not the peasant but those who could read).
Churches of the time have depictions predating him that had gruesome imaginative scenes of hell.

Moreover many writers did the same. Infact around this time there is a famous Islamic work that is so much so that there is a debate that Dante had copied from it.

Other works, pre-Dante

Mechthild of Magdeburg
https://books.google.com/books?id=vH3dYiGG-5sC&pg=PA127

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tractatus_de_Purgatorio_Sancti_Patricii

Owen visits four fields of punishment where, as in earlier visionary and apocalyptic accounts, sinners are devoured by dragons, set upon by serpents and toads, fixed to the ground with red-hot nails, baked in furnaces, immersed to various degrees in boiling cauldrons, and hooked to a flaming version of Ixion's wheel. Moving south, Owen and his demonic guides come upon a well from which naked bodies spew forth like sparks and then fall back into the sulphurous flames. "This is the mouth of hell," the demons say as they cast Owen in. He falls endlessly for this well is none other than the realm of utterly lost souls, the bottomless pit described in Revelation 20:1-3.32. No longer a mere spectator, Owen descends into a deadly state of oblivion, forgetting to call on God's name. Through a last-minute divine intervention, Owen remembers the invocation and a tongue of flame lifts him up to safety.

But as it is said to have been "RE-DISCOVERED" after the enlightenment, the divine Comedy became something you had to be culturalized to in every college literature program. Keep in mind when you go to some literature class they are trained to prop it up and tell why you it is so vastly important to the world. To that end, it was a popular work during the Renaissance, and that is to the credit of it.

Billyionaire posted...

Then that's pure fiction. The currents events part of the equation is literally missing and is no longer there. Making that a totally different sort of story than the one you're claiming the Divine Comedy to be

That is the risk of covering contextually significant current events in your story. Usually when you write in that way it is not designed for a guy 1000 years from then to read it and go "oh my sooo goood! ahh!"
Dante probably didn't intend this at all and infact the book wasn't that well regarded till some dudes much later decided to prop it up and then force school children to read it and tell them it is so good and they must agree as part of their "education" and "culturalization".

Billyionaire posted...

fanFICTION isn't fiction if it's based on current events. Especially considering a lot of the people he saw in Hell probably actually, frankly speaking, ended up in Hell according to the sins they committed

Most fiction has current events in it. And honestly the idea it cannot be translated sounds like you view this fictional book way more than it is worth.

If the supreme court takes his side he already has.

Tyranthraxus posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ3SSNJIQ2k

good video

watching this one now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoMRzx3o31I