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Lopen posted...

Not what I'm saying

I'm saying politics has a lot of facets and calling everyone a bigot or racist because they're not single issue on human rights is dangerous. We all have different living conditions and at some level it's a sign of privilege to think everyone has the luxury to be a bleeding heart about difficulties other groups experience.

I'm not saying it's good I'm just saying that's how the world is. You can't treat everyone who is indirectly siding with an oppressor identically to those who are are directly. The indirect people are those you need to have some patience with.

Ultimately it comes down to one simple concept, respect. It's a two-way street and if a person can't respect others enough to not support a party that prioritizes racism, sexisim and bigotry (especially when their other talking points are demontratebly false) they should not nor do they deserve respect. The thing about the golden rule is that when you treat people poorly or enable people to treat others poorly you are telling the world you're okay with being treated poorly, so if that's not the case then you need to actually treat others the way you'd like to be treated.

Grand_Kirby posted...

If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse, and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. - Desmond Tutu

I'm not sure why you quoted me as I completely agree with that.

Lopen posted...

Death, ideally. (Not that we can actually do this)

But you need to be thoroughly sure this is actually their belief before murdering them. That is the concern. It's easy to paint everyone with that hyperbolic brush when a lot are ignorant and a lot just care about different issues than you do. That's the concern, that every republican is labeled this when most don't really care about this "kill them because they're different" thing you're accusing them of

I've never accused them of that being their goal, I said the moderate ones(the ones you are speaking about) are at best complacent with that being an outcome. Which is not okay either.

My point is that PoC, LGBT+, and other vulnerable minorities constantly having to deal with that kind of thing being supported both directly and indirectly by the voters that vote in repugnants that enact or try to enact policies that disenfranchise them, simply because it's the party they support makes they're frustration and discontent more justified than the people voting to support the things that disenfranchise them in the first place.

Personally as a white(not really but I look it so I have to live with it lol) cisgender heterosexual male I know that educating the ignorant on these subjects largely falls on my shoulders because other white cishet males are more likely to not immediately dismiss my opinions on it, and forcing minorities to "be tolerant while they learn" is kind of gross because they shouldn't have to deal with this shit in the first place.

Lopen posted...

This.

So is your opinion that we should tolerate intolerance?

Do you believe that people should be allowed or encouraged to spread fear and hatred of others simply because they are different?

In non-moddable terms, what do you believe is the correct way to deal with another person that would want to see you and your loved ones killed simply because they are different?

I'd actually really like committed real answers to these questions from you Lopen.

Lopen posted...

like IGCD's "it's not bad to do this because they're so bad"

Uh, what?

AnsestralRecall posted...

You saw their thumbnail and didn't even bother watching.

Not that I expect you to do anything but simp for your overlords hoping one day you'll be just like them

It's very clear he is the type to spout propaganda and tell you to do your research when questioned, while doing none of his own because he fears his world view might be wrong

LinkMarioSamus posted...

Left-wing extremists are as wrong as right-wing extremists if we assume their views serve as a mirror of each other - e.g. if the former hate men and/or white people. They are still not as bad.

So the thing you have to understand is that " left-wing extremists" make up a significantly smaller percentage of people on the left than right-wing extremists do on the right

They are used as a boogeyman and propaganda to coerce people from actually looking at leftist policies

Lopen posted...

I do think politics is poisoned for a bit because of the venom on both sides (theyre all Trumpers!!! out of the Dem side will be something to overcome too)

The problem with both sidesing the issue is that on one side the moderates are supporting candidates that actually want to make life slightly better for everyone and the other side is at best complacent with evil. Do I think some people on the left are a bit too aggro? Yes, but that is likely due to them and people they love/care about having to fight for the right to exist, that seems like the kind of thing that would get frustrating/exhausting as fuck. The people on the right however are running on irrationally, hatred, fear and bigotry

foolm0r0n posted...

Being a white liberal sounds real nice. I'm glad y'all were forced to wake up a bit though. It's good for you.

What?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

here is a bulwark of young people who are not conservative due to nostalgia - it's due to tribalism.

Thorn posted...

For younger people (men in particular) I wonder how big the impact of the toxic "manosphere" stuff is in radicalizing - I think you see it as the gender gap among young people has been growing.

I keep hearing people say stuff like this and I just don't see it.

darkace77450 posted...

Trump tanked the economy and is promising to do so again. Trump killed his own party's border bill. Trump wouldn't do anything differently in the Middle East. Why are American voters so fucking dumb?

It's mostly due to recency bias and lack of education. The recency bias exists because people equate what is currently happening to who is in power and it usually takes time for enacted polices to take affect, which means repugnants get credit for Democratic polices and Dems get blamed for repugnant policies, and that exists because of the lack of education because people don't understand this, which is by design due to repugnants needing to rely on the uneducated for votes. They intentionally destroy education to keep people uneducated and propagate against education to try and keep people from seeking knowledge on their own from unbiased sources.

tremain07 posted...

I won't be voting this year, not because I don't want to but because my job won't let me have that day off to go vote and the early voting process in Texas has been completely fucked by Republicans

When does it start and when does it end? (Early voting I mean)

LeCh0nk posted...

I think by "geriatric patient" they're still referring to Biden

They might be, but he didn't debate anyone, but reality isn't their strong suit.

Grimlyn posted...

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1834344946884903417

Haitians, where do they come from???

Is it the moon?

Kim_Seong-a posted...

"We lost to a geriatric patient and their caregiver"

The fact they can say shit like this without a hint of irony is hysterically funny

They don't see men as caregivers so it couldn't apply to couch fucker and cheeto, despite Walz being younger and less vain, his lack of hair dye, bad comb over and orange paint makes them believe he is older.

I can't imagine this War Machine change lasting very long or him staying the same cost/power.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

lol

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1834348730302251270?t=U7jMzYJhycjGpN_PaBhegQ&s=19

Omg, perfect sound bite to throw over her picture with an approval at the end lol

I sincerely hope repugnants never recover from this

Dancedreamer posted...

I would have gotten that wrong too. But not by near as much as her. (I would've said 438)

As a non American my guess would have been 538 because I am under the impression that is a significant number in American politics

guffguy89 posted...

To be fair, anyone could have made that bomb threat. A deranged Trump supporter or a deranged anti-Trumper trying to make Trump look bad.

https://youtu.be/GAf44mvIwgQ?si=11Gtm6c3wwQ8FDt1

Paragon21XX posted...

What's the matter? Can't read the fine print that clearly said "adjusted for inflation"?

I was actually just editing my post when you quoted me. So yes?

Why are you so enthusiastic to hold your fellow workers down?

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Are you trying to compare $2 a day in 1820 to $2 a day in modern times? Not surprising that someone that would defend capitalism would spout propaganda.

I just realized this is apparently adjusting for inflation. Which is fine, but you have to understand the better distribution of wealth is in spite of capitalism, not because of it. It's socialist polices and actions that have caused a better distribution of wealth(unions, minimum wage, social programs that alleviate financial burdens.)

Sufferedphoenix posted...

Imagine thinking our government wouldn't just corrupt the shit out of that too. I don't some socialist policies but I disagree with going full blown

Who's thinking that?

paperwarior posted...

Damn, all this time we were supposed to be consulting the Poles

New conspiracy theory unlocked

WingsOfGood posted...

And yet rage when PS5 has no disc drive.
Seems like Physical is not going away. Gamestop will continue to sell them and make money.

Are you assuming it's the same people doing both these things?

Came across this meme that got me good.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/475c39f4.jpg

I feel like that War Machine change is actually crazy

kevwaffles posted...

That's correct

Nice

Matt Walsh is one of those lovers alt-right chud pundits, correct? And he's admitting that trump sucked there, correct?

KamikazePotato posted...

The asylum thing is especially baffling because like...you'd think someone close to him would've corrected him by now. It's happened so many times.

They can't correct him unless they want to risk being kicked out of his inner circle.

Two weeks in a row where the new card took one key. Nice

And my last three mystery variants have been Hipps(not the ones I need.) Very nice

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Oil Heads currently going nuts because apparently the price of oil just shot straight down, and gas prices are expected to start dropping fast over the next couple months (they've already been dropping slowly, 30 cents less today here in GA than it was a month ago).

Can't wait for Reps to call in a Democrat conspiracy to help in the election lol.

"For those of you that know how the price of oil works, if you know you know. For those of you that don't, you're welcome."

LoveLikeJazz posted...

I mean base PS5s do still work just as well after November 7.

I upgraded to PS4 pro this year from a pawn shop because I was waiting for the PS5 pro. Now I don't see any reason to bother with PlayStation.

Welp, looks like I'm going to jump back on the PC gaming train.

pjbasis posted...

Don't fall! There are some levels in the game where falling can waste a lot of time, and there are flying enemies trying to lure you into doing it.

Fuck why didn't I think of that lol

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Imagine thinking actively being sabotaged by capitalism is a failing by a system that would actively improve the lives of the vast majority of everyone lol

RyoCaliente posted...

Monsters don't spawn endlessly though, so you can clear the room and explore at your leisure.

I was trying to open a chest on a roof top, but I couldn't until I cleared the mobs, I kept falling off the roof, had to go back through Gizmo and back to the roof, fight the mobs again to open the chest, fall off the roof, etc. It was annoying. Lol

Is there a point where TT becomes monster free, because constantly trying to do something and falling off a roof having to repeatedly fight monsters is getting a little tedious.

On a less irritated note, Simba being the first summon is cool and I can't wait to use him.

Trumpo posted...

31st

Will die on that hill

What makes it horrible?

pazzy posted...

Yeah, that's exactly how I read it, which is why I'm wondering why people are acting confused about my question in response to Ash's seemingly needlessly confrontational post.

I honestly read your post as if you were posting it as a sarcastic response alluding to a VP being unable to become president for some reason.

Clockwise counterclockwise and every other possible way you could imagine

There is no Rhyme or Reason to the way I stir

People are so weirdly toxic in Proving Grounds

Wanglicious posted...

sometimes he comes off as a guy trying to figure things out, other times he comes off as a random captcha. don't mind reading that.

This is really apt, and in all honesty, I'd rather see him nudged in a healthy direction; but I haven't dealt with him for as long as most of you, plus I have a pretty high tolerance for ignorance if it comes across as seeking knowledge instead of malicious.

UltimaterializerX posted...

People read his posts?

Like, willingly?

I honestly find them quite funny in a bizarre this can't be real sort of way

pazzy posted...

A vp can't become president?

What?

foolm0r0n posted...

by the way, can you choose to use the original soundtrack instead of the remix ones? they hit harder

I don't know, I'll look into it when I play tonight

Wise

I always forget that A Nightmare Before Christmas is a Disney movie.(was reminded of this because of Oogie Boogie lurking in the shadows after beating Clayton and the Geko)

Also that was probably the easiest boss so far, but triggering the fights was ridiculous I had no idea how I even triggered them because I went to the places they triggered but didn't trigger them initially.

Oh yea, Red trinity.