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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

This is apparently necessary because they can't be killed or contained. Yet your weapons do just fine against them and they were contained on the Halo for probably millennia before the Covenant arrived.

There's a difference between fighting off a dozen zombies with a machine gun and fighting off a hundred million zombies who've spread out across hundreds of planets.

Infections are easy to contain and cauterize in their early stages, much less so once they start to spread wide.
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helIy posted...

aside from 343 saying that he was in charge of installation 4, which implies the existence of at least 3 others, sure.

Three other installations, not necessarily three other halos.

Installation 00 is part of the same numbering chain, and it's the Ark and not a halo. There are also other installations mentioned later that are part of the defensive line not the halo array.

Nor does numbering necessarily mean the prior three installations still exist (sort of like how, in Babylon 5, Babylon's 1-4 no longer exist). The replacement halo the Ark is making in Halo 3 is classified as Installation 08, not 04.

Nothing in the first game explicitly states there are multiple halos still extant (whether Bungie already planned for their to be more or just came up with the others as a way to justify having another halo in the sequel is up for question). It's why it comes as a shock in Halo 2 when you see Installation 05 for the first time.



helIy posted...

he does. marvin mobuto.

Only in a book that is borderline non-canon, because it was written by someone outside of Bungie as an adaptation of the game and had multiple elements that contradicted other things. It's also been implied since then (in response towards some of the negativity towards it) that he had a really tight schedule and didn't necessarily have time or access to Bungie's actual story bible to get details right.

The general consensus is (or at least used to be) that the canonical timeline is Fall of Reach, then Halo 1, then First Strike, then Halo 2.

343 might have re-canonized it (because they released an edited/updated version of it after they took over everything Halo), but that's outside of the scope of what I was talking about.



helIy posted...

this isn't true at all. regret was arguably the most bloodthirsty of the three high prophets, nor did he ever show regret, much like mercy not showing mercy, and truth not ever telling the truth

This one I'll grant you - I was confusing Mercy and Regret in my head (I went and grabbed my copy of Contact Harvest to check). I tend to mix them up a lot.

Regret was Tranquility (the young one), Mercy was the Philologist (the older one).

Mercy was the one I was remembering who didn't fit, because the Philologist is the devout priest who hated what they were doing (at least at first). And he doesn't really have a ton of "merciless" moments to really throw him into contrast (though he does die because no one shows HIM mercy). Though to be fair he does commit to the plan to kill all humans after they talk him into it, so "no mercy" would probably fit for him as well.

On the subject though, Contact Harvest is also the book where they explicitly spell out that the Luminaries that detect "Reclaimer" are identifying humans:

<THIS IS NOT RECLAMATION. THIS IS RECLAIMER. AND THOSE IT REPRESENTS ARE MY MAKERS>

"The Forerunners," the Minister whispered. "Some were left behind."

<I WILL REJECT MY BIAS. MY MAKERS ARE MY MASTERS. I WILL BRING THEM SAFELY TO THE ARK>

...and then the Prophets basically lobotomize High Charity to prevent it taking off.

Truth also explicitly mentions in his inner dialogue that he deliberately chooses the name Truth because of all the lies he's going to have to tell, and the ultimate truth he can never, ever reveal.



helIy posted...

in fact, the three prophets before them, tranquility, restraint, and obligation, also did the opposite of their names.

Well, Tranquility is Regret, so yeah. Though I think you mean Tolerance.

But the prior three really don't fit the pattern as well. Restraint's only real lack of restraint (that we know of) is illegally having kids, while Tolerance actually seems to make a concerted effort to live up to the name (he's described as helping improve relations between the various races). And Obligation is mentioned to have shirked some responsibility during her pregnancy, but is described as being both prolific and beloved (it's why Fortitude/Truth has trouble leveraging those two out of their seats while Restraint is much easier to blackmail).
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helIy posted...

or you watch Loki where he explicitly says that himself

And if you watch Loki, you'll also see the part where they explicitly point out that he lies.

Loki's perspective of himself in that show doesn't necessarily accurately reflect the way he's been presented in other movies.
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EvilMegas posted...

In the lore, Spark has been calling random people to fire the rings for a while.

EvilMegas posted...

"Reclaimer is what the Forerunners called humans who can use forerunner technology. Not all humans are reclaimers, but many of the important characters in the Halo Universe are, such as Master Chief, all the other Spartan-II's, Dr. Halsey, and many others."

Not in the original lore.

I can't tell you what the lore is now because 343 has kind of ruined it and I've stopped paying attention entirely, but back in the day when Bungie still ran the franchise the intention was pretty clearly that Master Chief is literally the first person Guilty Spark has ever seen since the halos first fired. It's why he says something like "The last time we spoke". He's conflating him with the last Forerunner he spoke to before the halos fired.

And even in 343 lore (but definitely in Bungie lore), "Reclaimer" has a very specific context. It explicitly means humans (even if 343 made a mess of it).

It's why the Covenant declared war on humans in the first place - the first planet of humans they found sent their Forerunner AI crazy, because the symbol the Covenant had always mistaken for "Reclamation" turned out to actually be "Reclaimer", and it indicated the race the Forerunner intended to rule the galaxy in their place after they were gone. The Prophets basically realized that their entire religion was a lie and that they'd just found the people who were the ACTUAL chosen ones... so they decided they had to kill them all as soon as possible before the other Covenant races realized the truth and they lost their power.

It's also a bit of an easter egg relating to the names of the Prophets in Halo 2 - two of them are ironically the opposite of their chosen names. Mercy is the one who is most bloodthirsty about purging the humans, Truth is the one who pushes hardest to wipe them out to keep the secret and keep lying to the rest of the Covenant. Regret is the only one who actually regrets what they're doing (and chooses his name specifically to remind him that what they're doing is ultimately wrong even if it's necessary). But they all know that every human is explicitly a Reclaimer, and thus the true inheritors of the Forerunner's legacy. Which is why they declared total war on us rather than attempting to bring us into the Covenant like the other races they'd encountered.
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That's telekinesis, Kyle.
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I think I've had my can opener for like 20 years.
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helIy posted...

even that doesn't make any sense considering he doesn't call any other human that.

He also doesn't interact with any other human in Halo 1. By Halo 2 he's already more familiar with humans (and somewhat pissed at us), so he may be less deferential by that point.

In Halo 2 they explicitly need a human to both retrieve the Index and to fire the halo (a Reclaimer is specifically required - though I'm not 100% if anyone ever explicitly refers to Miranda or Johnson as one), the Covenant can't do it themselves. Penitent Tangent does immediately recognize Master Chief as a Reclaimer in Halo 2, though.

I know it's also explicitly stated that the only reason Guilty Spark allows Pillar of Autumn to approach/crash into the halo at all in Halo 1 is because he detects that the ship is crewed by Reclaimers, but I don't remember if that was in the original game or only the Anniversary edition.
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GTurtlte posted...

This. If i recall in halo 1. That halo was the only one with the flood. Till the covenant woke them up and released them.

Well, in Halo 1 there's literally ONLY one halo. They don't add the concept of their being more halos until Halo 2.

In Halo 2, the idea of it being an array with seven installations is introduced, but at the same time it's established that there are Flood on Installation 05 as well. So it does imply they all have one.

It's also implied in one of the multiplayer map descriptions that the Flood containment chambers are supposed to be almost completely impregnable, and containment protocol can handle anything but the most severe outbreaks - basically, 04 went to shit because of the Covenant fighting the humans, and 05 went to shit because the Flood managed to evolve into a Gravemind and capture the Monitor so the system's response was compromised.

It's also somewhat implied that in both those cases the Monitors in question are at least somewhat (to severely) Rampant, which was a concept Bungie always loved (it shows up as a major plot element in the Marathon games before Halo). Which suggests those problems might not have happened at all if the Monitors were functioning properly (but tens of thousands of years of total isolation isn't good for even an AI's sanity).
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papercup posted...

Halo lore doesn't make any sense to me

Part of the problem there is that Bungie was mostly just kind of making it up as they went.

And they wrote most of their games with certain intentions in mind, and then 343 went a completely different (worse) way later, so it gets even more muddled from Halo 4 on (especially with most of the newer novels and other stuff).

That being said, your issue is with Bungie's stuff, sooooo...



papercup posted...

Halo lore doesn't make any sense to me

So they're superweapons that kill all complex life in the galaxy when fired to stop the Flood. So the Forerunners put ecological preserves on the surface of the rings so they can repopulate the galaxy in case they ever need to fire the rings to kill the Flood. But, they also put Flood on the rings to contain and study them, so if they ever break out (and they seem to always break out) they then have an entire world of food available to them, thus requiring the rings to be fired. Which is makes the entire ecological preserves on the rings moot because the act of firing the ring would kill all life on the ring anyway.

Either the Forerunners are the dumbest aliens in all of scifi

Forerunners are pretty dumb.

Because they're us.

At least according to Bungie's original intention (343 changed it for the worse).

But as for the rest...

First, when the halos fire, they don't kill everything ON the halo (or, at least, they weren't originally supposed to - I'm going to try and ignore everything 343 added later). So anything stored there will actually survive the pulse to be reseeded later. On top of which, the life on the halos aren't necessarily there to entirely repopulate the galaxy, because there are also shield worlds and the Ark that also contain indexed life.

Second, it may seem stupid to put stored life as well as samples of the Flood on the weapon designed to kill them, but this is at least partly because the plan to build the halos was last-minute in the face of utter annihilation, and there was a lot of politicking going on behind the scenes. The Librarian pushed to have as much life as possible indexed, but other Forerunner weren't necessarily as bothered about the idea. So she sort of co-opted the technology that was already being built, as least to some degree. It's possible the decision to store the Flood there was last-minute as well, and poorly considered.

Third, even if there was an outbreak of Flood, there are methods for controlling the resulting leak and the Sentinels should generally be effective enough at purifying both infection forms and any infected hosts. The outbreak on Installation 4 really only goes catastrophically wrong because there's lots of humans and lots of Covenant there to serve as hosts, and most of them are heavily armed. The Forerunner containment protocols didn't really anticipate tons of ignorant people fighting a running war on the ring and deliberately compromising multiple systems (perhaps they should have, but they were desperate and in a race against time when they were building the halos, so stuff probably got overlooked).

Fourth, the Forerunners were originally supposed to be humans. Basically, humans who evolved, built cities, evolved technology, and slowly spread out to conquer the galaxy. After the halos fire the entirety of human civilization is destroyed, and the few survivors who remain wind up settling on Earth, having to to rebuilt civilization from scratch, and all memory of what came before is eventually lost. This explains why we've never managed to find a "Missing Link" - we're literally not originally from Earth. Earth is just the world where humans wound up in the aftermath. It's also why Guilty Spark "recognized" Master Chief as the "Reclaimer" - from Spark's perspective, Chief is literally the same species as the Forerunners who built him. So if we accept that humans are more than capable of making profoundly stupid decisions and consistently fucking things up, there's no reason why our ancient ancestors wouldn't have been capable of making really poor decisions of their own.
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Sahuagin posted...

parts of it are extremely good. I think the thing it's missing though, that a lot of comic book movies miss, is that it doesn't have enough Spider-Man. in fact you could almost say that Spider-Man as a character is not even in the movie, there's only Peter Parker.

I used to describe it as the Raimi movies are basically Peter Parker (and early 60's Peter Parker at that) but not really Spider-Man, whereas Garfield is putting all his energy into being Spider-Man and he's not really being Peter Parker at all.

I think the MCU does a much better job of reconciling the two halves, even if people have issues with it for other reasons. I easily consider it the best of the three overall, though (not counting animated Spider-Men in the mix).
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Monopoman posted...

I mean more powerful weapons do take longer to break, acting like the weapons you get in the first 1 hour of the game last as long as the weapons you find off the most powerful enemies is a joke.

Yes, but:

adjl posted...

That is basically what they did, just never reaching the point of stuff being unbreakable

My point was that a jump from breakable to unbreakable isn't completely insurmountable, you just need to slowly scale to it. The game as it exists basically does that, it just doesn't take the final step.



adjl posted...

Expanding that, you can't really have dropped items be unbreakable (because then one drop obviates every single future one, rendering the drop system pointless)

Not necessarily. Plenty of other games manage to handle this problem just fine.
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helIy posted...

Ultron isn't funny, he's deadpan sarcastic

ego is just a dude

surtur isn't funny at all, and the grandmaster is just annoyingly stupid

To be fair, Loki isn't really all that comedic either. He's supposed to be a somewhat tragic figure who copes via humor, slowly morphing into a harder, darker threat. He's pretty dark in Thor 2, he has more serious or intimidating moments in Avengers than he does comedic ones (even if stuff like "Puny God!" is all people meme about), and really only starts to shade into comedy outweighing everything else in Ragnarok, but that's because Ragnarok is played much more like a comedy than almost anything else. Pretty much everyone is snarky and a lot of the action is played for laughs (at least until the end).

He's really only full-on comedic in the new series (where he's the butt-monkey protagonist and not the villain). And even that's got some pretty tragic moments.



helIy posted...

with Loki, his entire character is to be a joker.

It's really not. If that's all you get out of Loki, you either profoundly misunderstood the character, or you really just aren't paying attention.

Or you're helly.
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In a way, all of us have an El Guapo to face someday.
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Zeus posted...

Whoooaaaa!! TOO MUCH 80s!!!

Well, not really. It could be more 80s.

NOTHING is more 80s than The Beyonder.

http://www.writeups.org/wp-content/uploads/Beyonder-Marvel-Comics.jpg
http://pm1.narvii.com/6202/b20194a7a3f0f197fa6bd084717c985d2727f5b4_00.jpg
http://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/10/104794/2035387-letter_6.jpeg
http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/scans9/SWII3_Education.jpg

And this one is just for fun:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_fZ37jdy-g4M/ShS6Os3PbWI/AAAAAAAAANQ/xHVAFI6a_LQ/s1600-h/swII_002.jpg


You CAN be more 80s than Dazzler, though, but only because she's also the living incarnation of the 70s (who wasn't invented until 1980):

http://cafans.b-cdn.net/images/Category_65575/subcat_183578/yKxoPpdD_1402181200141gpadd.jpg

Actually, she just tends to embody the worst traits of whatever decade she happens to be in:

http://lylesmoviefiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/marvel-legends-dazzler-figure-review-with-power-effects.jpg
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Metalsonic66 posted...

Raimi clearly had a lot of nostalgia for the 60s and 70s comics.

Well, he's also openly admitted it.

It's also why he was so against having Venom in Spider-Man 3 - no matter how popular the character might be with 90s kids, he didn't really fit with the era of the character Raimi enjoyed or the vibe he was going for. Which is why he mostly half-assed everything to do with the character in what almost seems to be a deliberate "fuck you" aimed squarely at studio interference.

Raimi basically wanted Silver Age Spider-Man, and the studio wanted to cram in a Dark Age character. It's not really a good fit.
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Metalsonic66 posted...

It was a very 80s relationship

Yet not as 80s as Dazzler and the Beyonder.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uPrGlxXb6DA/Ve8YJBO-6oI/AAAAAAAAZF0/Cs_5DY2zUUU/s1600/Image00005.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UgMp98F0rEg/UcM2CqyBClI/AAAAAAAAQio/neqhZcBbU4E/s1600/Dazzler.jpg
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Judgmenl posted...

I created my Youtube account before Google even owned Youtube.

So did I, but I never use mine.
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Metalsonic66 posted...

Spider-Verse >> Spider-Man 2 = Far from Home >> Spider-Man 1 = Homecoming >> Spider-Man 3 >>> Amazing 1 and 2

I can accept this.
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Metalsonic66 posted...

The problem is, it was not a healthy relationship. She didn't like Peter Parker at all, only Spider-Man.

It's arguably the reverse of most of his relationships, where they like Peter but wish he didn't feel the need to constantly keep Spider-Manning.
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wolfy42 posted...

My least favorite all of the same class was all WM as it was boring/slow and not fun.

http://www.nuklearpower.com/2001/03/20/episode-007-kamehameha-or-something



http://www.nuklearpower.com/2010/02/20/episode-1221-longest-set-up-in-webcomic-history
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adjl posted...

Scrapping the mechanic entirely at any point in the game would have felt weird

Tier system.

Start with strong degradation, forcing you to swap often, because you're mostly using improvised weapons or crap looted from enemy corpses.

At a certain point you gain access to stronger, better weapons - this is the point where you begin to scale back durability (they're made better, so they last longer).

Ultimately, you reach a tier where everything is either masterwork or magical, and you drop durability on those items entirely.

It's not hard to do. It's just that, like I mentioned earlier, it's not what they wanted.
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helIy posted...

why should the villain be funny

The villain should be interesting. Failing that, funny's an acceptable fallback.

But if a villain isn't interesting, funny, or overly important, people will generally start shitting on them.
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Mead posted...

So all you have to do is click saying that you understand and you can listen to it anyways for free?

You actually can't if you don't have/are unwilling to have a Google account to use for the site to age-verify you. So it can be inconvenient.

It can also feel somewhat hypocritical or straight-up bullshit when you start thinking about all the stuff on YouTube that isn't age-gated in any way, and is completely unrestricted for pretty much anyone to watch with no limitations.
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MeteoricBurst posted...

Its better than the MCU Spider-Man movies. Which might be the worst MCU movies

I can easily name at least six that I'd easily rank below the MCU Spider-Man films.
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Blightzkrieg posted...

It's shocking to me that weapon durability made it to the final product, it's such a bad mechanic.

It's because they don't give a shit about player convenience, and are willing to frustrate you to achieve their own expectations.

In this case, they want to force you to explore and consistently use new weapons, so durability exists solely to break every weapon you've ever liked in order to prevent you from getting complacent and sticking with something you like.

Whether or not you consider that bullshit depends a lot on whether or not you think creator intent is more important than player preference.
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Blightzkrieg posted...

It's been like sixty years and people still haven't gotten over Aerith

That's sort of a different situation of its own as well.

When you retcon something like 8 years later, people will be annoyed. When you retcon something from one of the most popular video games of all time 8 years later, people are going to tell you to fuck off. Same reason so many people still call bullshit on Greedo shooting first (or both shooting simultaneously. Or Maclunky).

People who like to claim "Oh, it was always Aerith, it was just mistranslated originally" are basically full of shit, because the actual Japanese is Earisu, which easily sounds more like Aeris than Aerith.

It wasn't until Kingdom Hearts that Square decided they didn't like that version of her name because it kind of lost the originally intended meaning of "Cloud and Earth" (which they poorly Romanized into Japanese in the first place), but by that point a lot of FFVII fans had stopped giving a shit what Square had to say about anything anyway.
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Nichtcrawler X posted...

or Yamato over Star Blazers?

That's sort of a different situation. For one thing, it's a not a direct translation, and for another, the English version isn't just a direct dubbed version of the original, but has been edited into something different. So arguably "Star Blazers" and "Yamato" aren't even entirely the same thing.

It's the same reason why I would argue that "Gatchaman", "Battle of the Planets", and "G-Force" are all technically different things. As are "Space Sheriff Shaider" and "VR Troopers". And I'm not even remotely going to get into "Robotech".

Though to pull it back to the original point, do you call it "Space Battleship Yamato"? Or do you call it "Uchu Senkan Yamato"? Because one of those things is acceptable, and the other is probably going to get you made fun of.

Generally speaking, if there is a direct translation name for something in your own native language, the standard accepted usage is the translation name, and only hipsters, pretentious tools, culture nerds, and weirdos are going to use the native title. Unless you're a critic of some kind, or are otherwise providing the original name for academic/scholarly/informational purposes, you should probably stick to the alternative title that fits your own language.

Which is why I've also never seen "Taiyo no Ko Esuteban" or "Les Mysterieuses Cites d'Or", but I've seen "The Mysterious Cities of Gold". Same for "Meiken Jori" ("Belle and Sebastian") and "Le Pacte des Loups" ("Brotherhood of the Wolf").

In the same vein, kids who watched anime on TV in the US in the 90s were watching Dragonball Z, Ronin Warriors, and Sailor Moon, not Doragon Boru Zetto, Yoroiden Samurai Torupa, and Bishjo Senshi Sera Mun.
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EvilMegas posted...

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Gwen's not even in the running? Harsh.

She dropped out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1N5lZw7e78
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EclairReturns posted...

If I recall, there actually was one. Before the hyperlink-quoting system, the site wouldn't allow the user to post a message with more than six nested quotes.

I think that was a limit on quotes in general, not specifically nested ones.

Because speaking as someone who spot-quotes other people's posts pretty much all the time, I used to hit that limit a lot (part of why I'd occasionally wind up splitting replies up across multiple posts). And it'a actually still a thing (try to quote more than 7 people in a single post and see what happens).
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxvWY5z84rw
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Blue Laser

http://youtu.be/S0n5ft-geXc?t=93
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Gwen's not even in the running? Harsh.











I'll pick Ultimate universe Jessica Drew.
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EclairReturns posted...

and users could chain-quote

You still can, it just takes a bit of effort.

If they were annoyed by the potential to "abuse" nested quote chains, they should just have put a limit on them rather than doing away with them entirely. Like, say, maybe three nested quotes before it puts the brakes on or auto-removes the oldest quote.

But that would require someone working for the site that actually knows how to code, and we haven't had that for like 15 years now.
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Metalsonic66 posted...

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Ugh, Tumblr nose.
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Zeus posted...

because Ultimate Spidey literally incorporates versions of this throughout the show

I'd assume he's not literally referring to pig nostrils (aka Spider-Ham), as much as he's complaining about the animation style of Spectacular and how it depicts noses in general.
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Metalsonic66 posted...

It's cheesy AF

Definitely this. You will roll your eyes at least a few times while watching it.

That being said, it's fun if you don't take it too seriously, and it has a surprisingly large number of really great actors in it.

It's definitely worth watching at least once if you've never seen it before.
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I actually liked that film quite a bit, and I'd still say you're out of your Vulcan mind.

Hell, I liked Spider-Man 2 more than the first one, and I still wouldn't rate it above at least half the MCU films.
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I was going to say that I have no idea what BNHA is, but Wikipedia tells me that it's just TC being a weeb.
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RE2 if you're not going to play RE1 first.

That's basically how I played them. RE2 was my first, then I went back and played RE1 after (and wound up not really liking it because I was kind of spoiled by RE2), then I went on to play the later games.

My personal recommendation would probably be RE2, RE3, Code Veronica, RE4, and then skip everything else. At which point you can play RE7 & 8 as a cohesive story if you want.
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captpackrat posted...

According to Scientology, Xenu was the dictator of the "Galactic Confederacy" who brought billions of his people to Earth (then known as "Teegeeack") in DC-8-like spacecraft 75 million years ago, stacked them around volcanoes, and killed them with hydrogen bombs. Official Scientology scriptures hold that the thetans (immortal spirits) of these aliens adhere to humans, causing spiritual harm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQZNzw4HSOM
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>_>

<_<

>_>

http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/what_if_35-39.shtml
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Lokarin posted...

I'm the dumbest smart person...

I can be all like "hey, check out this fourier transform!" and then I'll forget how to tie my shoes

One of my old friends in high school went on to become an architect who designs bridges, skyscrapers, and other things.

He also used to eat candles off the table in diners. And if you told him to call you when he got home, after a 15 minute drive, he would not only not remember to call you, but he wouldn't remember that you had that conversation at all, even if you reminded him of it later.
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

90s spider-man is clearly the best one

Fie upon you, sir.

Nostalgia, ho!

http://youtu.be/xA3rTcX46b4?t=7
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Dmess85 posted...

Ooooooooooklahoma!

http://vimeo.com/242357883 (4:33)
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Are you angling for a place next to Duckbear on my ignore list?

Because it's right there waiting for you, nice and warm.
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Zeus posted...

It's still so annoying that Spectacular Spiderman -- quite possibly the best cartoon version of the character -- was replaced by that.

Blame Disney. Their acquisition of Marvel borked the animation licensing rights and they pulled the plug on Sony's show, effectively casting it into limbo where neither side could continue it even if they wanted to. It was the first time Disney pulled a "Why should we split the profits on something awesome if we can screw you over and keep all the money for ourselves" on Sony over Spider-Man, but it wouldn't be the last time.

Either that, or blame Greg Weisman. He apparently suffers under some form of ancient curse, whereby any cartoon he works on will be critically acclaimed and popularly loved, but also utterly doomed.
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That's why I've kept this site blocked via NoScript for years.
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Muscles posted...

"He didn't punch him, he just shoved him with his fist"

Ironically, this is actually a pretty good description of what he actually does to Black Panther.

He's holding him by his neck, and he sort of simultaneously starts dropping him into the ground while doing a bit of a half-assed punch, where Panther's momentum would actually defuse some of the force of the punch.

Whereas he pretty much full-on punches Cap straight in the side of his unprotected head:

http://youtu.be/q4vNuCb_VA0?t=29
http://youtu.be/q4vNuCb_VA0?t=73

Helly, as always, is wrong.
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MeteoricBurst posted...

People only say crap like this when it suits them. A very large section of your country doesn't want it to be a mixing pot in the first place.

Which is itself a fairly new mindset, and many would argue it's a very bad one to have.

For most of US history, the immigrants generally wanted to integrate over time, and the established culture just kept them at arm's length. It's a very recent development that we've sort of flipped the other way around on that mentality in the last generation or two.
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KodyKeir posted...

That is so painfully accurate.

That was basically my take. "Oh, Taskmaster's cool. I liked him back in the 80s, he's a neat premise, where he's a villain but he isn't really a villain. He's just a dude that works for pay, and all he really wants is to fight people to learn their moves, and then he makes money off training other people (both good and bad - he's worked for SHIELD and the US government before) to fight. And he's a snarky bastard, sort of like what you'd get if Captain America acted like Spider-Man."

"Oh, wait, he's just a faceless, voiceless mook now? With a lame backstory and anything interesting about the character stripped away? Bleh."
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