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TopicIt's degund the police til it's backwards
averagejoel
07/11/21 11:09:33 AM
#31
BlockAddition posted...
So it's only homeless people who commit crimes?
that isn't what I said. engage directly with the things I said or shut the fuck up

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TopicHer: "That $100 is not enough"
averagejoel
07/11/21 9:05:16 AM
#39
CalypsoDoom posted...
I mean you want her to look like a model, fuck like a porn star, clean like a maid, cook like a chef, be your emotional support system, work full time, have your kids ... but even buying her a venti frap from Starbucks is too much
who is "you" in this context?

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TopicWoman faces year in prison for crumpling blue lives matter sign and 'smirking'
averagejoel
07/11/21 9:01:47 AM
#7
Flauros posted...
Maybe dont do that?
what about free speech?

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TopicWealth shown to scale.
averagejoel
07/11/21 8:59:27 AM
#35
Samurontai posted...
You know TC, if you hate Capitalism so much, theres plenty of socialist/communist countries you could move to that seem to be doing okay.

Like Venezuela oh wait..

Maybe China oh theyre a dictatorship. Yikes

Laos maybe?

Man, its almost like most socialist countries tend to just not be that great. Wonder why that is
because wealthy capitalist countries use a large portion of their resources to make them worse

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TopicIt's degund the police til it's backwards
averagejoel
07/11/21 8:48:06 AM
#21
BlockAddition posted...
You mean like a police force?
no. like giving people food and housing. you know, addressing the reasons why people commit crimes in the first place

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TopicDo you think the US needs to enact communism?
averagejoel
07/11/21 8:46:07 AM
#109
Notti posted...
So not objecting, I just dont think it is justified itself as a workable real world society wide idea that is better than the nordic model.
capitalism fundamentally depends on the existence of an exploited underclass. social democracy, the likes of which can be seen in Norway and Finland and such, has worked reasonably well so far for those countries because they were already wealthy. that is; the underclass has at least partly been outsourced. it fundamentally cannot work on an international level

I also believe (as the worst path) any sort of bloody revolution is the worst way to get there.
the point is that revolution is necessary; not that it is good. the people who are capable of hoarding wealth will not willingly give it up.

the current system also reinforces itself daily with violence, so any violence in the revolution is a form of retaliation

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TopicIt's degund the police til it's backwards
averagejoel
07/11/21 8:30:06 AM
#17
Samurontai posted...
Most POC like having a police presence around,
[citation needed]

and more cops always = less crime
[many citations needed]

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TopicRecommend a symphony for me to listen to
averagejoel
07/10/21 11:33:32 PM
#4
Mahler 5

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Topicshould billionaires exist?
averagejoel
07/10/21 11:11:34 PM
#22
Nemu posted...
Yes. The problem is not with the accumulation of wealth, but the holes in the system that allow for people to get away with paying next to nothing in taxes.
those aren't holes in the system. they're features.

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TopicTarget sells vibrators now? Just on the shelf?
averagejoel
07/10/21 4:02:01 PM
#22
DP3 posted...
I always look at vibrators and think, how the hell can I compete with that.
it's not a competition

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TopicWhat position do you sleep in?
averagejoel
07/10/21 1:38:16 PM
#15
missionary, inside your mom

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Topic& Knuckles
averagejoel
07/10/21 8:56:35 AM
#51
Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy, and Knuckles

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TopicWait I thought Venezuela was a socialist nation
averagejoel
07/08/21 11:43:38 PM
#10
Lorenzo_2003 posted...
Well, yeah, because every time socialism fails, socialists are like nah, uh, that doesnt count because it wasnt real socialism. Next time, though, it will totally work.
do you think those failures might have turned out differently if the US didn't invade the country, fund counter-revolutionary groups, kidnap and/or kill the leaders, and attempt to install fascist dictators?

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TopicThe Star Wars
averagejoel
07/08/21 2:14:47 PM
#3
Rogue One

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Topicwhy do people hate progressive wokeness?
averagejoel
07/08/21 12:44:29 PM
#34
MedeaLysistrata posted...
just don't buy the product. they should be hiring such people not selling products to them
I'm describing here. my buying or not buying the product has no bearing on whether or not they'll continue doing it

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Topicwhy do people hate progressive wokeness?
averagejoel
07/08/21 11:21:19 AM
#30
MedeaLysistrata posted...
It's fine with me if people support a cause and leave it at verbal support or performative support or whatever. Not everyone needs to be a soldier so to say
a lot of the time it's not even really support -- it's businesses marketing their products to certain demographics

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Topicwhy do people hate progressive wokeness?
averagejoel
07/08/21 12:40:25 AM
#5
depends how you define "wokeness"

a lot of it is really performative (as in; people doing superficial things to make themselves look good while contributing nothing to the causes that they claim to care about) and creates a pretty effective illusion that these issues can be meaningfully addressed under capitalism

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TopicHelp me identify a song I've wondered about for a long time.
averagejoel
07/07/21 3:23:27 PM
#9
or it might be the song "Hard Knock Life" from the musical Annie

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TopicAre Pit Bulls dangerous?
averagejoel
07/07/21 3:22:09 PM
#212
PC-Builder_Pony posted...
Are they safe?
they're not less safe than any other dog

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TopicAre Pit Bulls dangerous?
averagejoel
07/07/21 3:18:25 PM
#210
PoundGarden posted...
Cool then you can fuck off because you're obviously here to troll me specifically and have nothing of value to add.
do you have actual data that supports your opinion

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TopicAre Pit Bulls dangerous?
averagejoel
07/07/21 3:07:12 PM
#206
PoundGarden posted...
"My desire to own a dangerous animal proven to be prone to random outbursts of violence superceeds everyone else's right to safety"
that isn't what I said; that is something you made up. I don't have a pit bull and I have no desire for one. please engage with things I said instead of things you made up

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TopicWill we see nuclear weapons used in war during our lifetimes?
averagejoel
07/07/21 2:59:24 PM
#2
don't know. I hope not.

I really wouldn't put it past Israel or the US to use nukes though

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TopicAre Pit Bulls dangerous?
averagejoel
07/07/21 2:56:05 PM
#201
PoundGarden posted...
It's not just MY experience, Jesus fucking christ. Literally every, fucking, DAY this happens.
yes, there are dog attacks every day. you still haven't shown any data which suggests that pit bulls are significantly over-represented as attackers though.

Keep simping for murder pups
I'm not.

and pretending they aren't a huge problem in the US though.
as far as I can tell, the data does not suggest that it is a huge problem.

only further cements pit victims hatred of the breed and the delusional people who want to make excuses for them and pretend they aren't a constant threat to the public.
this sounds like something you should be discussing with a therapist rather than with randos on a message board

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TopicAre Pit Bulls dangerous?
averagejoel
07/07/21 2:50:46 PM
#199
PoundGarden posted...
One of the worst things I've ever had to do was search the bushes for a piece of my dog. After the attack was over, he shook his head and a fucking piece of his ear flew off and landed in the bushes. After getting back from the ER, first thing I did was spend 10 minutes trying to find it. Couldn't bear the thought of a racoon or bird or whatever finding and eating it. You ever have to search through foliage for pieces of your loved one? It changes you, believe it or not.
your personal experience is not extrapolateable.

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TopicAre Pit Bulls dangerous?
averagejoel
07/07/21 2:47:56 PM
#197
PoundGarden posted...
Not really what I said, at all. While I recognize some pits go their entire lives without showing aggression, far too many do and it doesn't change the fact that they were bred to kill, period. They are unpredictable and I will never, ever trust a pitbull again.

My god, I actually made some peace with my neighbor and he actually fucking invited me over to meet his other pits lmao. I said "the two you keep in a cage all day that throw themselves at the fence and bark and snarl at me? After I JUST told you I don't trust pits anymore and will not hesitate to shoot them if they get loose and set foot on my property? Those two pits? Yeah I'm good, no thanks".

They live in their own reality and just refuse to acknowledge they're dangerous and unpredictable. Holy shit, homeboy up above told a story about how his pit killed his cat for absolutely no reason, then proceeds to say his dog would never hurt a cat lmao. How do you not see this? They refuse to acknowledge what those dogs are: a fucking grab bag, thats what. Will it be sweet? Will it eat a cat for no reason? Will it get loose and kill the first living thing it sees? IDK, its a grab bag!
your personal experience is not extrapolateable

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TopicAre Pit Bulls dangerous?
averagejoel
07/07/21 1:04:03 PM
#184
PoundGarden posted...
So your defense is....what? Racism is racism genius, and you pretending the shitbull defense force doesn't always jump right to "DUUUUUH hating pits is like hating blacks!" is amazing to me.

Strawmanning is the lowest form of "debate" and reeks of desperation
do you recognize the irony in those two paragraphs?

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TopicI've heard people believe that William Shakespeare was multiple people
averagejoel
07/07/21 9:06:03 AM
#25
Shablagoo posted...
I always thought Malcolm Xs theory was interesting:

"The King James translation of the Bible is considered the greatest piece of literature in English. Its language supposedly represents the ultimate in using the King's English. Well, Shakespeare's language and the Bible's language are one and the same. They say that from 1604 to 1611, King James got poets to translate, to write the Bible. Well, if Shakespeare existed, he was then the top poet around. But Shakespeare is nowhere reported connected with the Bible. If he existed, why didn't King James use him? And if he did use him why is it one of the world's best kept secrets?

I know that many say that Francis Bacon was Shakespeare. If that is true, why would Bacon have kept it secret? Bacon wasn't royalty, when royalty sometimes used the nom de plume because it was 'improper' for royalty to be artistic or theatrical. What would Bacon have had to lose? Bacon, in fact, would have had everything to gain. In the prison debates I argued for the theory that King James himself was the real poet who used the nom de plume Shakespeare. King James was brilliant. He was the greatest king who ever sat on the British throne. Who else among royalty, in his time, would have had the giant talent to write Shakespeare's work? It was he who poetically 'fixed' the Bible - which in itself and its present King James version has enslaved the world."

Source:
X, Malcolm. (1965) The Autobiography of Malcolm X. 4th ed. Penguin Classics, p.180
this is absolute nonsense.

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TopicI've heard people believe that William Shakespeare was multiple people
averagejoel
07/07/21 12:42:40 AM
#9
ShyOx posted...
On top of that, there's not a whole ton of evidence of him during his time. We know where he supposedly lived, we have a painting that is supposedly of him, but he wasn't a huge deal during his own time in comparison to how he was viewed afterwards.
most of this is false. there's a ton of evidence of him. we know more about shakespeare than any other non-royalty from the time.

there are records of his family. he bought property.

he also did eventually become a big deal during his time: he was literally sponsored by the king

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TopicI've heard people believe that William Shakespeare was multiple people
averagejoel
07/07/21 12:35:27 AM
#3
shit like that has been popping up since the 1800s or so.

a lot of it has a kinda classist origin: stuff like "he couldn't have written about this place without having been there" even though neither of his plays set in venice so much as mention canals; or "he couldn't have written this! he didn't go to university!" or whatever


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TopicAre Pit Bulls dangerous?
averagejoel
07/07/21 12:13:23 AM
#162
Kanaya413 posted...
So they dont eat babies is what Im getting here
i know they maul though
I mean, if you look for it specifically you might find individual stories about a pit bull eating a baby. I wouldn't be surprised if it's happened. it isn't statistically significant though.

as far as I can tell, it's also not clear that they "maul" significantly more than other dogs

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TopicAre Pit Bulls dangerous?
averagejoel
07/06/21 11:51:40 PM
#153
Kanaya413 posted...
Do they really eat babies or is this just a mene
dogs are animals. they're hunters. and a lot of people keep them as pets. there's always going to be some that injure or kill people; that's just statistics.

it gets extremely sensationalized when it's done by a pitbull though. and CE seems to have a particular hate boner for them.

it's kinda similar to how, whenever a trans woman does well in a sporting event, there's a topic on CE about it. CE hates trans people. CE also hates pitbulls. it's extremely easy to get a skewed view of how often it happens.

as far as I can tell, the actual statistics on dog attacks do not suggest that pitbulls are more aggressive than other dogs.

even if pitbulls are overrepresented in such statistics, it's important to recognize that there are factors outside of the dogs themselves that contribute to their behavior. for example: because pit bulls have a reputation for being aggressive, they might be more likely to be taken in by someone who wants an aggressive dog. in that sense it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy

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TopicAre Pit Bulls dangerous?
averagejoel
07/06/21 9:33:02 PM
#148
PoundGarden posted...
It's been shown time and tie again, so I don't see how I'll succeed in convincing you where others have failed. Suffice it to say pits simply do not give "warning" or "back off" bites like other normal dogs that weren't bred for the sole purpose of killing do. They go for the kill. Again, because that's what they were literally bred to do.
if it has been shown "time and tie [sic] again," then it should be very easy for you to provide a source for that demonstrates this.

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TopicDo you think the US needs to enact communism?
averagejoel
07/06/21 7:27:17 PM
#97
capitalism necessitates the existence of an exploited underclass. that underclass is often outsourced to another country

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TopicAre Pit Bulls dangerous?
averagejoel
07/06/21 6:41:06 PM
#139
PoundGarden posted...
Also gonna ignore the fact most attacks from other dog breeds seldom result in death or radical reconstructive surgery/physical therapy.
first: do pitbulls actually attack people more frequently than other dog breeds?

second: do pitbull attacks actually "result in death or radical reconstructive surgery/physical therapy" more frequently than attacks by other dog breeds?

and most importantly:

do you have actual data that backs up your answers?

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TopicHave you heard of Clickhole, an offshoot of satire website The Onion?
averagejoel
07/06/21 6:18:02 PM
#2
Clickhole is fantastic. I quote the radish video all the time, and the Oral History of Star Trek might be the funniest thing I've ever read

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TopicAre Pit Bulls dangerous?
averagejoel
07/06/21 11:20:46 AM
#33
R1masher posted...
and we all know what happened in 1982
... Michael Jackson released his hit studio album, Thriller

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TopicAre Pit Bulls dangerous?
averagejoel
07/06/21 11:16:48 AM
#29
BeyondWalls posted...
My Shetland Sheepdogs natural instinct isnt to rip a toddlers face off. Thats the difference. Pit Bulls are instinctively aggressive. You dont have to train a Pit Bull to be aggressive. You just have to let it exist.
[citations needed]

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TopicDo you think the US needs to enact communism?
averagejoel
07/06/21 8:34:49 AM
#90
g980 posted...
Capitalism with strong social safety nets has worked so outrageously well it is not worth discussing anything else.
it has worked well because the countries that enacted it were already wealthy.

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TopicDo you think the US needs to enact communism?
averagejoel
07/06/21 7:23:43 AM
#85
ButteryMales posted...
How is Jewish Socialism different from Capitalism?
if you want to call jesus' teachings "socialism" then it also makes sense to refer to the many jewish philosophers he drew his teachings from as such.

but regardless, it's purely an ideology. it isn't an actual existing economic system like capitalism. capitalism didn't start to take shape until the early renaissance, ~1400 years after Jesus' death (if indeed he existed)

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TopicDo you think the US needs to enact communism?
averagejoel
07/06/21 12:52:33 AM
#79
ButteryMales posted...
Christian Socialism was the very first form of socialism. It's Jesus' teachings of modesty and charity into economic form which is completely compatible with capitalism and democracy.
I mean if you want to go back that far you could say that jewish socialism is older.

regardless, socialism is a fundamentally different economic system from capitalism. they are mutually exclusive.

"democracy" as it's commonly understood is not an economic system, so there are elements of it that are compatible with pretty much any economic system. I do think the idea of democracy is inherently more compatible with socialism than with capitalism though

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TopicDo you think the US needs to enact communism?
averagejoel
07/05/21 11:40:29 PM
#76
Frizzurd posted...
Great, people are actually advocating for full blown Communism, so now the right can say democratic socialism is straight up socialism, which is Communism, which is Stalinism. Gee thanks
for those who want to follow along:

"democratic socialism" isn't an actual distinct economic system. it's an ideology in which people somehow get it in their heads that socialism can be enacted through electoral politics within the capitalist system. (it cannot)

"social democracy" is capitalism with a welfare state. this is what, for example, norway has.

in theory there are some distinctions between "Democratic Socialism" and "Social Democracy", but in practice the people who self-identify as "democratic socialist" and people who self-identify and "social democrat" both generally just want social democracy.

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TopicDo you think the US needs to enact communism?
averagejoel
07/05/21 11:33:55 PM
#72
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
You do realize that fascism isn't inherent to any one economic system and that capitalism can easily turn into fascism, right?
fascism is basically capitalism cranked up to 11. of course capitalism can easily turn into fascism

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TopicIf time travel happens, what stops people from imperializing the past?
averagejoel
07/05/21 12:29:16 PM
#25
it would obviously end up creating a stable time loop -- that is; the people going back in time would end up causing major events to happen

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Topicpanic over critical race theory is an attempt to whitewash history (article)
averagejoel
07/04/21 7:49:45 PM
#5
Topici can't turn on radio without hearing about sports, god, or minority politics
averagejoel
07/04/21 7:16:00 PM
#6
who's your main

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Topicpanic over critical race theory is an attempt to whitewash history (article)
averagejoel
07/04/21 10:09:38 AM
#3
Godnorgosh posted...
CRT has been around since the 70s, how did this blow up all of a sudden? Fox News started talking about it or something?
it's not clear to me either -- that question is outside the scope of the article. I'd be interested to see exactly where it originated though

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Topicpanic over critical race theory is an attempt to whitewash history (article)
averagejoel
07/04/21 10:02:02 AM
#1
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/critical-race-theory-history/2021/07/02/e90bc94a-da75-11eb-9bbb-37c30dcf9363_story.html

selected bits:

The speed and virtual unanimity with which June 19 joined July 4 might seem to foretell a new reckoning with Americas brutally racist past, spurred on by 2020s push to confront injustice. Yet instead of a new era of honesty and critical inquiry, the United States is being dragged into a moral panic about anti-racism itself, as agitated parents, right-wing activists and red-state lawmakers rail against their version of critical race theory. Their assault would allow only for a history that holds no contemporary consequences; racism ended in the past, according to the developing backlash, and we would all be better off if we didnt try to connect it to the present.

Texas now precludes any teacher from exploring the states own history of enslavement if any student should feel discomfort, guilt, [or] anguish . . . on account of the individuals race or sex. On the federal level, the same Republican senators who voted for the Juneteenth holiday also demanded that the Education Department end its effort to encourage schools to fully explore the history of enslavement, saying the push involved divisive, radical, and historically-dubious buzzwords and propaganda.

These laws cut off the necessary classroom discussion of racial justice and reconciliation taking shape in Tulsa, Houston, Minneapolis, Louisville, Atlanta, Chicago and other communities across the country inspired by and responsive to #BlackLivesMatter and #SayHerName.

In closing off room to explore the impact of Americas racist history by citing division a subjective condition that turns on any students (or parents) claim to feel resentment or guilt the laws directly threaten any teacher who pursues a sustained, critical understanding of the deeper causes, legacies or contemporary implications of racism in fomenting uncivil discord.

more in the article

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