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TopicIs there a word for a man who only prefers cis women?
averagejoel
06/22/21 1:12:25 PM
#204
Glob posted...
If you're not even going to pretend to argue honestly, I'm not going to bother engaging with you.
I'm not arguing at all. I'm asking a question.

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TopicIs there a word for a man who only prefers cis women?
averagejoel
06/22/21 12:35:56 PM
#198
Glob posted...
Anybody who doesn't want to sleep with people who are trans.

I'm sure you think that's some kind if gotcha moment, but it's not.
where did I perform this accusation?

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TopicIs there a word for a man who only prefers cis women?
averagejoel
06/22/21 11:16:54 AM
#178
averagejoel posted...
okay: who did I accuse of being a bigot?
@Glob

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TopicIs there a word for a man who only prefers cis women?
averagejoel
06/22/21 10:56:49 AM
#165
Glob posted...
Yeah you did.
okay: who did I accuse of being a bigot?

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TopicIs there a word for a man who only prefers cis women?
averagejoel
06/22/21 10:53:16 AM
#161
Glob posted...
Calling people bigots and then claiming it's not an accusation is both dishonest and moronic.
then it's a good thing that I didn't do that

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TopicIs there a word for a man who only prefers cis women?
averagejoel
06/22/21 10:45:13 AM
#158
Glob posted...
You do know what an implication is, right?
yes I do. making something up and saying "you implied that" does not mean that it was actually an implication

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TopicIs there a word for a man who only prefers cis women?
averagejoel
06/22/21 10:26:17 AM
#150
Glob posted...
When you accuse people of being transpbobic and a bigot if they don't sleep with trans people, that's what's being implied.
first of all: it's a description; not an accusation.

second: no, it is not what's being implied. that's something that you're making up; not something that's actually being said

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TopicIs there a word for a man who only prefers cis women?
averagejoel
06/22/21 10:15:13 AM
#146
Nemu posted...
I agree there are biases that may reflect how people view themselves and others.
it's not an opinion. there's nothing to "agree" with.

Transphobic is an extremely unhelpful term to use as a catch-all for all of those biases. It's aggressive and implies all such feelings are wrong, when it's a mixed bag of hatred, confusion, and simple normal lack of attraction.
incorrect. "transphobic" is not a moral judgement, and it isn't "aggressive" just because a few people interpret it that way.

regardless, "transphobic" is a description of the societal conditions that lead to such behaviour. it is also a description of the effects of such behaviour (i.e. behaviour that is discriminatory against trans people)

Someone who is attracted to a trans woman but then loses that attraction upon learning she is a trans woman because they are not attracted to someone with a biologically male body is not transphobic.
yes they are.

Someone who is attracted to a trans woman but then decides they don't want to pursue that attraction because of factors like "being seen as gay" or something along that line is someone feeling the effects of transphobia.
sure. but that doesn't prevent the behaviour itself from being transphobic

You can disagree with that. We can have this kind of discussion. The issue comes when people start acting like the discussion itself is problematic when sexuality and attraction are very personal in the first place.
they are still informed by a transphobic society.

if a preference is informed by transphobic societal norms, and that preference results in discriminatory behaviour against trans people, what would you call the preference and the behaviour if not "transphobic"?

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TopicIs there a word for a man who only prefers cis women?
averagejoel
06/22/21 9:47:16 AM
#131
Nemu posted...
What? I said you're conflating people discussing the notion of sexuality and attraction into the same category as actual bigots, which is extremely counterproductive and simply an unhealthy mentality.
do you recognize that society is transphobic?
do you recognize that that transphobia might have an effect on the sexual preferences of any given person within society?

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TopicIs there a word for a man who only prefers cis women?
averagejoel
06/22/21 8:04:28 AM
#91
bsp77 posted...
Is a gay man being transphobic if he won't date a FTM who does not have a penis? Yes or no
I answered this question already: it depends on why he won't date that specific person.

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TopicIs there a word for a man who only prefers cis women?
averagejoel
06/22/21 7:52:11 AM
#89
NonDairyMiltank posted...
a cisgender woman being disinterested in dating a trans partner is NOT transphobic
... unless this disinterest is specifically because the person is trans.

our gay communities have had enough issues with straights tryin to shame and passively dictate how we're supposed to function in our personal lives over decades, we dont need it from fellow LGBTQ and their worthless virtue slurping lapdogs who shouldnt be talking at the table in the first place
recognizing transphobia in hypothetical scenarios is not trying to "shame and passively dictate" how anyone is "supposed to function", and I would appreciate it if you did not conflate them.

your bullshit tactic of implying that someone who is opposed to dating trans is automatically a bigot IS a backhanded message of entitlement
your underlying argument boils down to: either theyre down with dating trans OR theyre transphobic

"either be willing to date us or be labeled a bigot, take your pick" = common message of entitlement from some trans folk who dont respect other people's orientations

you'll hide behind semantics again saying you never implied that
correct. I did no such thing. this is you pulling shit out of your ass.

but you sure as hell never implied people can be non-transphobic allies WITHOUT editing their dating preferences to include trans
which would be like saying im sexist towards men for wanting to exclusively have sex with other women...
"transphobic" isn't a pejorative. it's a neutral descriptive term, and it is applicable to people who unilaterally exclude all trans people from their dating pool for being trans.

"editing their dating preferences" is a completely different conversation that I am not interested in having. stay on topic please.

i get that trans folk can have a hard time finding partners, but at no point are cisgender people obligated to edit their dating preferences to fix that
i dont give a shit whether or not you implied that anywhere in this topic, you needed to be educated about it
no one is forcing anyone to "edit their dating preferences." please shut the fuck up about that.

transphobia is systemic. society is transphobic. this societal transphobia has an effect on how people conceptualize what a "woman" is and what a "man" is. that has an effect on their dating preferences. instead of getting all defensive at the idea that you might have some prejudices that you're not aware of, you should consider engaging with these ideas and maybe thinking about the societal constructs that influence your dating preferences.

are you capable of critical thinking on that level?

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TopicIs there a word for a man who only prefers cis women?
averagejoel
06/22/21 5:23:21 AM
#87
Gobstoppers12 posted...
Those latter statements just aren't true. It's not transphobic to have a preference, either. We want what we want and we don't have to date somebody we don't want to date--and it can be for any reason. We don't have to answer to society for our dating choices. It's a personal matter, and one of the reasons the "right to privacy" was one of the first things added to the constitution.
no one is suggesting that anyone has to "answer to society" for anything. only that it is possible for personal preferences to be transphobic

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TopicIs there a word for a man who only prefers cis women?
averagejoel
06/21/21 11:40:57 PM
#79
bsp77 posted...
This. No one ever responds to this because they won't throw other LGBTQ+ under the bus.

When people call me a bigot for not being interested in trans women, I come back with whether a gay man is a bigot and transphobic for not dating a FTM who doesn't have a penis. I have yet to get a response. Anyone want to answer that now?
the answer is "not inherently." it all depends on why he's not dating that specific person. if, for example, the (presumably cis) gay man lives in new york, and the trans man lives in paris, and they have never met, of course it isn't transphobic to not date him.

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TopicIs there a word for a man who only prefers cis women?
averagejoel
06/21/21 11:35:21 PM
#74
NonDairyMiltank posted...
no one is entitled to dating someone else
no one is entitled to someone else's personal time and attention
no one is obligated to rearrange their personal life just so it fits what you need

straight folk and cisgender gay communities are not automatically bigots because apparently grand majority is not interested in dating your ass
plenty of them already proving theyre not transphobic because they steppin back and respectin trans rights to find someone who is interested

thats it
that was all they ever were entitled to, like the rest of us

NOT dates

step off
I am using an adjective (transphobic) to describe an attitude (refusal to date trans people for no reason other than their transness).

I made no claims about anyone being entitled to anything.

I also did not suggest that anyone should change their behaviour: again, I'm merely describing behaviour. if you take issue with that description, by all means feel free to tell me what your issue is. but no goalpost moving, okay?

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TopicIs there a word for a man who only prefers cis women?
averagejoel
06/21/21 10:32:17 PM
#58
refusal to date trans women for no reason aside from their transness is discriminatory against them for something they have no control over. which makes it transphobic

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TopicWhen are we gonna get to that post work society sci fi writers envisioned in the
averagejoel
06/21/21 10:29:23 PM
#6
it depends how you define "work" really.

there will never be a future in which human labour is completely obsolete. but the things that make work unpleasant are, by and large, functions of labour under capitalism; not inherent qualities of labour

I disagree with some of the ideas in this essay (namely, I think Black is getting hung up on the way labour functions under capitalism), but it's still worth reading:

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/bob-black-the-abolition-of-work

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TopicAre we really any better than China?
averagejoel
06/21/21 10:22:59 PM
#122
Zeus posted...
At least a little better overall. Up until we started having wide-scale race riots again, we were a lot better. However, it's hard to say that we're doing all that better when we're having massive civil unrest and a slew of other issues. We're even starting to see glaring government censorship as the US government cracks down on social media sites, telling them how to run their platforms. The US is not in a very good place right now and it only seems to be getting worse.
I think this post is on the right track. it completely ignores the international dimension of the question though.

as I said earlier in the topic, I think it's arguable either way for the internal functioning of the country (e.g. how they treat their own citizens). but in terms of the countries' international presence, the US is far and away the worse of the two.

as it stands currently, the US' international presence is arguably the worst in the world

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Topicyeah. I'm a CENTRIST
averagejoel
06/21/21 1:30:09 PM
#26
MushroomMuncher posted...
What kind of comeback is that supposed to be

Trump got more POC vote than he did in 2016, is this supposed to be some sort of achievement
both parties are very much racist, but the GOP is the party of open white supremacist conspiracy theorists

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TopicThese 3 things will save the life of men
averagejoel
06/21/21 12:36:32 PM
#14
I'm surprised -- I actually have all three of those pretty regularly

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TopicSchool of Rock... might actually be better as an adult than watching it as a kid
averagejoel
06/21/21 11:14:22 AM
#33
Jack Black's character in School of Rock is the best screen depiction of a music teacher

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TopicThe Far-Left might give Sweden a Right-wing Government.
averagejoel
06/21/21 11:10:45 AM
#92
Humble_Novice posted...
Leftists need to be more fucking pragmatic, and that sometimes requires swallowing one's own pride.
libs should not count on assistance from the left if they don't include policies that the left wants

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TopicWhy in God's plan did he make the devil so much stronger than a man?
averagejoel
06/20/21 9:29:03 PM
#21
satan is just christians making up a guy and getting extremely mad at him

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Topic$100 but one of these things must happen.
averagejoel
06/20/21 7:06:36 PM
#2
I would never want to subject milana vayntrub to that

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TopicAre we really any better than China?
averagejoel
06/20/21 6:01:42 PM
#67
in terms of how the countries treat their own citizens, I think it's arguable either way between the US and China

in terms of how they treat citizens of other countries, the US is far, far worse

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TopicI don't like Gurren Lagann
averagejoel
06/19/21 7:16:49 PM
#8
Kamina's death was what made me go from "this is terrible" to "this is decent"

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TopicWhat's the longest any relative of yours has ever lived to?
averagejoel
06/19/21 6:09:54 PM
#9
one of my great aunts was about 2 weeks short of 106 when she died

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TopicThe Far-Left might give Sweden a Right-wing Government.
averagejoel
06/19/21 4:28:22 PM
#81
Samurontai posted...
Imagine being this naive like lol

Lefties are a cancer to the democrat party
the democratic party is its own cancer lol

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TopicThe Far-Left might give Sweden a Right-wing Government.
averagejoel
06/19/21 12:13:24 PM
#59
ZMythos posted...
I love how is always the libs who complain about losing power, yet also continue to alternate progressives and compromise with conservatives.
it's always "the left" that's to blame for liberals' loss of power. never has anything to do with their own incompetence, no sirree

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TopicPOLL: How far away is the nearest McDonalds from you right now?
averagejoel
06/18/21 10:03:22 PM
#3
a few blocks. definitely less than 10 minutes

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TopicLive off A cheese Jacks Pizza (a day) for a year for $500,000
averagejoel
06/18/21 12:01:30 AM
#29
500k is not worth dying of scurvy

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TopicPeaches or Pears
averagejoel
06/17/21 11:20:23 PM
#4
I get roughly an equal amount of enjoyment out of both. but peaches are messier to eat, so I'm going to say pears

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TopicStarting an Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion file. PC. What should I do?
averagejoel
06/17/21 7:37:29 PM
#8
the thieves guild questline is much better in Oblivion than in Skyrim.

I recommend getting the Skeleton Key before you start it though.

find the Chameleon spell ASAP and enchant stuff with it

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TopicDo you know how to use universal time?
averagejoel
06/17/21 6:37:28 PM
#28
MedeaLysistrata posted...
Quebec uses it iirc
I think this is a function of it being the default in french

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TopicAndrew Yang speaks out against mentally ill people.
averagejoel
06/17/21 3:58:15 PM
#80
ChocoboMogALT posted...
I read that whole study and it does not claim that, "the mentally ill are no more violent than the general population. It only suggests that, after controlling for many variables, mental illness may not be the sole cause of violence. If you were look at general populations, the rate of violence would likely be different.
In this study, the prevalence of violence among those with a major mental disorder who did not abuse substances was indistinguishable from their non-substance abusing neighbourhood controls.

that's a fair bit more than "mental illness may not be the sole cause of violence"

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TopicAndrew Yang speaks out against mentally ill people.
averagejoel
06/17/21 3:44:17 PM
#78
averagejoel posted...
what has changed regarding violence and mental illness since then that would invalidate the study?

did mentally ill people become more violent since 2003 in a way that mentally well people didn't?
if anyone can point out what about the study I posted has become invalid since it was published, I would appreciate it

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TopicAndrew Yang speaks out against mentally ill people.
averagejoel
06/17/21 3:42:57 PM
#77
Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
If this is his way of saying those with mental health issues need more support and Ideally more housing options, I agree.
if it is, then he has a funny way of saying it

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TopicAndrew Yang speaks out against mentally ill people.
averagejoel
06/17/21 3:23:31 PM
#68
Bryfang posted...
Mans really linked an article from 2003 over a well documented 2021 issue.
what has changed regarding violence and mental illness since then that would invalidate the study?

did mentally ill people become more violent since 2003 in a way that mentally well people didn't?

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TopicAndrew Yang speaks out against mentally ill people.
averagejoel
06/17/21 3:11:56 PM
#63
Bryfang posted...
This was just a quick Google search, since the word of a person who actually lives here and deals with them all the time wasnt enough. Please, tell me more about how this Mental Health Crisis is just about baselessly bullying the mentally ill.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1525086/

selected quotations:
Members of the public exaggerate both the strength of the association between mental illness and violence and their own personal risk.

In this study, the prevalence of violence among those with a major mental disorder who did not abuse substances was indistinguishable from their non-substance abusing neighbourhood controls.

It is important to keep in mind that both serious violence and serious mental disorder are rare events. Therefore, it is difficult to judge the practical importance of findings that may show an elevated risk of violence among samples of mentally ill as they tell us little about public risk.

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TopicAndrew Yang speaks out against mentally ill people.
averagejoel
06/17/21 2:27:18 PM
#60
Bryfang posted...
Like I said earlier in the topic, if youre a New Yorker, there IS a legit reason to be afraid of violence from mentally ill people.
again: mentally ill people are not more violent than the general population. therefore, there is no legitimate reason to single out violence from mentally ill people as being more worthy of fear.

Hes not talking about people with aspergers or depression, hes talking about those crazy mafuckas that be on the trains, buses, hounding for money in front of stores, etc. It usually goes hand-in-hand with the homeless problem. While a portion of the homeless are just down on their luck and hungry, theres another portion that more or less keeps people on their toes when they take public transit or walk the streets. It is a legit problem that needs to be solved.
sure. the solution to the homeless problem is giving them homes. did Yang propose that? if the answer to that question is No, then his statement accomplished nothing aside from stigmatizing mental illness

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TopicAndrew Yang speaks out against mentally ill people.
averagejoel
06/17/21 2:14:26 PM
#53
ButteryMales posted...
It's a nuanced issue in which each individual part could be called a bandaid on a gunshot wound.

The asylum system in the U.S. didn't particularly work so I'm weary of a housing, food, and treatment strategy like that.
so that's a no?

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TopicAndrew Yang speaks out against mentally ill people.
averagejoel
06/17/21 1:58:35 PM
#51
ButteryMales posted...
That is not the best case scenario by far. Google has a lot of these

https://theconversation.com/universal-basic-income-could-improve-the-nations-mental-health-123816

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/short-history-mental-health/201911/universal-basic-income-and-mental-health

https://frontiersmag.wustl.edu/2020/11/20/can-money-buy-happiness-a-look-at-ubi-and-mental-health/
do any of those articles recognize that providing housing/food/other services directly, rather than giving individuals money for those services, would be a superior option? if so, I'll read that article

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TopicAndrew Yang speaks out against mentally ill people.
averagejoel
06/17/21 1:48:52 PM
#50
luigi13579 posted...
It's possibly just clumsily worded and not his intention, but he's essentially "othering" mentally ill people and pitting them against everyone else. There are the "people and families of the city" on one side, and the mentally on the other, in opposition to regular people, as if the former doesn't include the latter. It also implies that most or all mentally people are prone to violence, and that regular people can't be violent themselves.
yes. very much all of this. except I don't care about his intent

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TopicAndrew Yang speaks out against mentally ill people.
averagejoel
06/17/21 1:40:22 PM
#48
Tenlaar posted...
Again, you are acting as if any discussion of the specific issue of mentally ill homeless people accosting people on the street is a broad strokes comment about the mentally ill as a whole.
no I'm not. I'm contextualizing his comment within the broader societal narrative around mental illness.

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TopicAndrew Yang speaks out against mentally ill people.
averagejoel
06/17/21 1:29:53 PM
#42
Tenlaar posted...
I disagree and believe that you are dismissing a legitimate issue and needed discussion by acting like acknowledging that mental illness only means so much when it comes to the rights of people butting up against each other is fundamentally unacceptable.
he is speaking as though the general population has legitimate reason to be afraid of violence from mentally ill people, despite mentally ill people not being more violent than the general population

that is reinforcing the stigma surrounding mental illness regardless of whether or not you disagree with what I said

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TopicAndrew Yang speaks out against mentally ill people.
averagejoel
06/17/21 1:23:10 PM
#39
ButteryMales posted...
Well you can't fault Yang there since he supported UBI.
best-case scenario, UBI is a band-aid on a bullet hole. it would also not solve the systemic problems that lead to so many people having poor mental health.

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TopicAndrew Yang speaks out against mentally ill people.
averagejoel
06/17/21 1:16:02 PM
#35
PC-Builder_Pony posted...
Therapy doesnt work when people choose not to go through with it
therapy also will not solve the systemic problems that cause so many people to have poor mental health

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TopicAndrew Yang speaks out against mentally ill people.
averagejoel
06/17/21 12:48:52 PM
#31
Tenlaar posted...
What he said is "we have the right to walk the streets and not fear for our safety because a mentally ill person is going to lash out at us." What part of that statement is wrong? I'm not really interested in you going far beyond what he actually said and responding about things he didn't say.
statements like that still contribute to stigmatization pertaining to mental health.

for example: people with mental illnesses are not more likely than the general population to perpetrate violent crimes, but they are significantly more likely to be victims of violent crimes.

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TopicMethod of improving memory when reading fast?
averagejoel
06/17/21 11:28:03 AM
#11
read slower and think about what you're reading

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