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I was on mobile and checked the board, the webpage hadn't refreshed since yesterday so I saw this topic with 27 posts and figured it was new >_>

My inner pj is coming out

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Slowly becoming a Final Fantasy aficionado.

Whoops thought this was new

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Ghido

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Group 1 may be the weakest group but I have no idea how it will shake out! How do Dedede and Ike rank in the ninty hierarchy hm, and is Yakuza big enough here now for Kiryu to make it through?

And yeah no preference on the voting format.

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I didn't care for the demo, but that could just be me. It's averaging 77 on OC atm.

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Hoo boy, have I soured on this game!

IMO the central conceit just doesn't work. The stakes have to be super high and everything needs to be serious for the story they're trying to tell here, but that's not why I came to Mass Effect. I wanted to just zoom around in space with my alien friends, there's little room for that here without it coming across as out of place.

The game centres Shepard way too much, to go along with its heightened military propaganda and focus on humans/Earth. I don't really care about Earth, game! The squad is the worst in the series. The Bioware 'romance' feels as clunky and sexless as ever. The ME2 cast is largely tossed aside and wasted, sure some of them get big death moments but that's it. The characters in general are more one dimensional this time, you can pretty much boil everyone down to a basic Good or Bad. Bioware is playing favourites here more than ever before. I get that many fans loves Garrus and Tali but they have absolutely no plot reason for being on the crew lol, especially over some of the ones they chose not to include. Garrus has zero connection to the plot and Tali joins far too late to be of any real impact. Ashley/Kaidan are mediocre, given they have to fill the exact same slot in the plot regardless of their differing personalities. A lot of the minor fanservice in general feels pretty empty like they're ticking boxes, like punching that reporter for being annoying (it will never not be weird to me how this is a beloved running gag!).

The antagonists are also bad this time round. Cerberus are way worse than before, they're just generic human enemies to give us people to shoot, but they also simultaneously try to do the Saren thing again with TIM. They go the easy route with Udina, and it is absolutely ridiculous that the reapers don't have a single line of dialogue in this game after the first two. And then there's Kai Leng, of course. Locking major story beats behind DLC is also terrible (From Ashes, Leviathan).

The galaxy just feels more dry and lifeless this time. Part of this is intentional given the war, sure, but the worlds are no more than a series of shooting galleries with chest-high walls. The Citadel is like the only exception to this. Tuchanka is the best section by far (probably not if you have Wrex and Mordin dead already lol) but I don't know why people love Rannoch, it's incredibly messy. The choices from the past games usually just result in a meaningless set of numbers increasing for 'galactic readiness' or whatever. One potentially fun thing that I always remember: there's a lategame sidequest to help defend the Elcor homeworld, I was looking forward to finally seeing the Elcor and doing something off the beaten path, but the entirety of the sidequest is just a button click as you orbit the planet and then some numbers go up. That's the kind of lifelessness I mean with this entry.

I still think the ending is awful, no reason to get into all that but basically it's just a complete betrayal of the themes of the previous games. Making it all an organics v synthetics thing is... boring at best.

Maybe I'm being too harsh, there is good stuff here but the more distanced I am from this series, the worse it looks to me. They rushed this one out way too fast. 3.5/10

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Why do the mid-tier FFIV characters get so much disrespect while the actual trash ones get top fives!

(Also what is GMUN's site martin pls)

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With two boots left, IV, V, and XV are yet to lose a character. At least one of them will run clean through the boots this year!

FFDragon posted...

Man Marche averted like four doomsday scenarios in that top ten.

Man that was a real weird top 10! Marche, Lightning, Ultros, Delita, Rydia, Zidane, Zack, Relm, Kefka, Barret. A real scattered bag of names lol.

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Espeon posted...

Balthier>Fran>Penelo>Ashe>Basch>Vaan

Larsa would be between Penelo and Ashe.

I- I will never cease to be amazed at how differing our tastes are.

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So Relm had like 5 iron mans right? It's gonna take a while for somebody to beat her!

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Sure

Cissnei

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Trading for Rinoa

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I am in no hurry, let's take it easy today!

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Rinoa

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Ghido

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Wow people really do hate this one lol.

Nominate Tales of Vesperia

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I don't remember any NPC leaving a particularly positive impression on me except Gabranth I think.

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FFDragon posted...

Basch may be the most 5/10 character ever put to media.

A 5/10 is an 8.5/10 in XII

fwiw Ashe >= Basch > Balthier >>>>>>> Fran >>>>>> Vaan > Penelo

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Basch promptly dies

Looking at the past results Basch has only ever finished in the top half of a contest exactly once (out of 13 appearances), back in XI. That's pretty astounding for being arguably the best character in his game!

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Mario

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Huh, she got 38th last year? Felt like she was around for ages!

The top 3 XII characters from last year are all out already! We're left with a bunch of nobodies and Ktjn, who will surely be the last survivor.

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Well this is one situation where I'm very glad no spice happened.

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Galuf

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Trading for Rinoa

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I love these four hour rounds. I just accept I'm only getting 3 saves and I can wander in at any point within the first hour no worries!

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Rinoa

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Yu Yevon

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Ghido

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I'd say *FFIV spoilers* Theodore and *FFT spoilers* Dycedarg would be strong contenders for worst brother.

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Also Tellah is a notable absence, he's a more active dad than half of that list!

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LiquidOshawott posted...

man who in my top ten do you have a bone to pick with

Well Jecht and Hojo are terrible dads, Dr Cid would hardly win father of the year and as said we don't even see Galuf interact with his child (great grandad though!). Even Laguna is a stretch really, he's great to Ellone when he's around but that's not for very long.

I guess healthy parent/child relationships aren't usually the backbone of good FF stories!

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Year of Dads will tie in neatly with Cyan's redemption run, good.

Year of good dads would be severely limited

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FFDragon posted...

I mean... Have you played FF8? Girl loves her some train.

Lol yes, that's why I thought it was meme support.

Although it is worth remembering that Rinoa actually has higher base support with Doomtrain than Selphie does!

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MartinFF7 posted...

can I ask why Sephiroth in particular...

I don't remember the context of the conversation. I would be just as happy if she killed Kefka! And yeah I don't like Seph sorry, I'd be fine with Cloud/Aeris/Tifa/Barret winning from VII but I've never liked him. But for real I don't think Rinoa has a shot, maybe if Selphie weren't here but she's the natural VIII choice for now I guess. Hopefully I am wrong.

And sorry I thought Selphie was a meme with the way she's talked about and her being paired with the train!

Yuna would be my pick right now just from general popularity + Auron-style boot comeback + she's overdue + nobody is tired of seeing her always at the top. And I think most people are at least neutral on her (though Inviso hates her for some reason)


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3D bias smh

Yuna would seem like the most straightforward winner there, but I'm still not veteran enough to tell which way the wind is blowing this early. Auron has been hanging around awfully late in the rounds already (as has Vivi!). I really don't see Selphie as a finals girl, idk I feel like her meme support will fade earlier than that. Aeris, Yuffie and Rikku all seem viable. Not being a FF villain guy I cannot impartially judge Seph and Kefka (my goal this year as I've said on discord is to have Rinoa kill Sephiroth lol). Ramza would be fun but idk if Tactics can pull off getting two finals in a row!

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What a consistently mediocre performer!

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nobody cares

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Vanille

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I would be happy with that

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There are more As in Argath than Algus!

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Rinoa

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Ghido

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Tidus exit is my fault :(
When the groups were drawn I said on discord I hoped tidus would get through and that I was sick of mario squeaking through each round, lefty then said the funniest outcome would be mario advancing over tidus by 1 vote.

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Wiegraf is terrific and should be a strong character!

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Mewtwo59 posted...

Wait, Dan wasn't the one that escapes and you meet again in Lindblum?

He (IX spoils) escapes from Burmecia but doesn't escape Cleyra.

MartinFF7 posted...

Not only did I mix that up but I thought Ktjn was in Eruyt Village until checking that one too.

Hell I don't even remember Ghido whatsoever, which is probably a sign of how long ago (or forgettable) my last FF5 playthrough was... which looking up on my hard drive, based on the dates modified, apparently was in March 2001 immediately following my first ever playthrough of Chrono Trigger? Not a good spot to be in!

I thought the same thing with Ktjn. And Ghido is only memorable in the GBA version of V!


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Groose is clearly better than Midna, but the more applicable comparison would be Midna v Fi

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I wonder which character has the least screentime of everyone. Probably Ktjn, Dan or Matoya?

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Hey now, it may be just a cutscene battle but Ghido puts the work in.

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MartinFF7 posted...

(as in I thought andy might've been waiting between Quistis and Wiegraf too... but I was also waiting for Cindy)

This is exactly what I was doing lol. Holding between Quistis and Wiegraf but they were both in the final three :(

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nooo


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