Board 8 > Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXIII: Day 21 (RULE CHANGE) [smfffc]

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Mewtwo59
07/17/21 4:31:37 PM
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RacistFAQs

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Robazoid
07/17/21 4:31:38 PM
#252:


Leblanc
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VeryInsane
07/17/21 4:31:59 PM
#253:


Saturday Lopen is probably the deadliest contestant in the field

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VeryInsane
07/17/21 4:32:32 PM
#254:


Oh I thought Sazh had two lol

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swordz9
07/17/21 4:32:49 PM
#255:


Pretty sad there. Poor Sazh
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FFDragon
07/17/21 4:33:57 PM
#256:


swordz9 posted...
Pretty sad there. Poor Sazh

would you say it's...

sadzh

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NominateMoogles
07/17/21 4:34:06 PM
#257:


Dodged one hell of a bullet there with 2 of them
jn the last 11
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swordz9
07/17/21 4:36:43 PM
#258:


FFDragon posted...


would you say it's...

sadzh

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Too Soonzh
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Suprak the Stud
07/17/21 4:37:02 PM
#259:


Oh Im an idiot. I thought Sazh needed one to be safe not two.

Oops.

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th3l3fty
07/17/21 4:38:47 PM
#260:


everyone falling for the rule change today it seems
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HanOfTheNekos
07/17/21 4:39:08 PM
#261:


Vanille

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LiquidOshawott
07/17/21 5:22:34 PM
#262:


You know last time Sazh got soft booted he finished 10th the next year.

With Dr Cid possibly returning next year will it be the year we get top ten dads?

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th3l3fty
07/17/21 5:41:17 PM
#263:


80. Sazh Katzroy

CXIII - 28/75
CXIV - 56/102
CXV - 46/100
CXVI - 41/100
CXVII - 67/100
CXVIII - 66/100
CXIX - 80/100
CXX - 10/100
CXXI - 68/100
CXXII - 69/100
CXXIII - 80/100

overall STATS: 44.73% / down 2.38% - 65th/127 (down 8 spots)
newSTATS: 42.81% / down 2.42% - 68th/106 (down 6 spots)
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andylt
07/17/21 5:46:29 PM
#264:


What a consistently mediocre performer!

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MartinFF7
07/17/21 6:07:55 PM
#265:


...today's feeling a little anticlimactic for a rule change day so rather than waiting until we're out of boots, going to take this opportunity to drop my top 10 for winning at the moment. Hope nobody takes offence if their 'main' isn't listed here. In game order:

Kefka Palazzo
First name on the list is, coincidentally, my early favourite to win it all. The perennial contender since his return from hard boot status in XX, he finished 3rd that year (boxed out in favour of everyone's favourite final), 4th in XXI (the infamous "spreadsheet snafu"), and a shock exit in 8th last year. I was feeling a Squall or Kefka win in XXII was in the cards, and with the former winning the title, it's the latter's time to shine. Kefka's problem this year is the same as last - getting support consolidated to him without other distractions lingering around in the endgame that soak up potential saves. Still a lot of runway to go but this could be his time.

Aerith Gainsborough
7th place pre-Remake and 14th last year due to a lawyering, but undoubtedly would've finished top 5 otherwise. Has the advantage of drawing strength from non-FF7 supporters in addition to regular series supporters. Considered by many to be the best part of the Remake, if last year's support is replicated to this year, with a little more luck, a run to the top 5 or beyond could be in the cards!

Sephiroth
Arguably a top victim of my only supporting Cissnei in the early years, he finished in the 30s in XX and XXI before an upsetting soft boot last year, which I feel partially responsible for (was 45 minutes late to the round, made a save when I should have held). So I'm supporting him this year as my #1, what I'm calling a "penance run" (in lieu of any 'justice' or 'redemption' runs). Maybe his surprise entry into Smash Brothers helps his cause? He's only ever had two top 10 showings (7th in XII, 3rd in XVII) so ideally he can go on a bit of a run this year, maybe all the way to the end. Or hell, maybe he gets eliminated in thirty-something place again, who knows! Will be saving him in the meantime.

Yuffie Kisaragi
Including her on this list feels bad but I can conceive of a scenario where she wins so I have to. But she really can finish anywhere between 1st place and well, 79th place as of my posting this. If you don't detect and remove this tumor in time she's going to metastasize in the endgame. But, fresh off some excellent characterization with her Remake DLC chapter, is there a possibility of I N T E R M I S S I O N BOOST fueling a deeper run for her? Can never seem to count this one out in the end and post-DLC, I am more of a fan of hers (or just a fan generally) than I ever was before. Though she's so far down the priority list that her making the finals is probably the only way I could ever throw her a save!

Selphie Tilmitt
"I believe in Harvey Dent"? More like, I believe in FFDragon. 4th and 3rd place finishes in XV and XVI, followed by the dark years (back-to-back-to-back hardboots). Is it redemption run time? Can she reassume her past glory and continue the trajectory she was on pre-hardbooting by making the finals? Or will she get eliminated far earlier because broader support doesn't coaelsce around her? I don't know who was involved in those previous runs for her and whether they're still around or would support her in the end, and there's a chance Doomtrain overlap could get in the way, but you have to like Selphie's prospects more in the long term; though Squall's win last year may ultimately hurt any Finals prospects for her, but who actually cares about back-to-back series wins? (see: XX, XXI)

Vivi Ornitier
Take that text from the Yuffie write-up about cutting out tumors before they metastasize and paste that in here. The contest's only two-time champion, the conditions are always there for him to add a 3rd to his belt. Everybody loves this little scamp; another strong top 10 showing in XX was followed by a couple of years of misfortune, with the infamous "16 seconds" in XXI and a XXII elimination while his top supporter was on a lawyering ban. A natural culmination point for FF9 supporters and Vivi fans of all stripes, you can't even stop his title aspirations by trying to invoke the disgust reaction of a repeat winner; something which he already overcame 5 years ago.

Auron
While he struggles early and midgame, which culminated in a surprise 53rd place last year, we can't forget that he finished 3rd in XXI and was only a few saves away from making the finals and likely winning that contest. You could argue that his performance in XXI was mainly driven as a "redemption run" following his XIX hard boot, but like Vivi, you can't deny that Auron is a legit fan favourite and also like Vivi, can easily become a repeat contest winner as a result. Though he could just as easily be eliminated in the middle of the game like last year, but the potential for victory is certainly there so I feel compelled to include him on the list.

Rikku
Am I putting too much stock in Y-R-P? I want to believe so just in case, might as well hedge my bets here. Can't forget that Rikku finished 5th in XX, granted that was three years ago and I don't know who was involved in that run, but that's recent enough history; if Robazoid can get some more people onboard the train, could that be the last push to go the rest of the way? Then again Rikku was also a surprising early exit last year, in 68th place, but you have to think the conditions for her success are different this year.

Yuna
The ultimate bet-hedging: who's the last standing between Rikku and Yuna? (Paine doesn't enter this equation, sorry). Yuna would certainly have the better contest story, as this is her return from the hardboot in XXI (finished 95th place). Auron was booted in 96th before making a deep run - perhaps it's her time? And if contest XVI was the "Year of FFX", then perhaps contest XXIII can truly be its sequel: "Year of FFX-2".

Ramza Beoulve
Yes, poor Ramza... he always "feels" competitive but never quite gets the saves needed to endure. Well, I still want to believe this is the year for a strong Ramza run; at last year's top 20 I called the dark horse Delita run, and while the conditions for Delita to make the finals can't immediately be replicated, I do believe there are some Ramza supporters which can fill in some gaps and help push him on a deep run. Maybe to the finals, maybe not. Time will tell!

Honourable mentions (last year's top 5 in game order):

-Tifa Lockhart: finished 4th last year but that required a tremendous amount of luck that I don't think can be replicated, and she's also not a top priority for me this year, but that doesn't necessarily spell the end for her. If some new savers fill in the gaps from mine & others' absences, maybe last year's run can be reproduced. Just not feeling it though!
-Garnet "Dagger" Til Alexandros XVII: a strong 3rd place finish last year, but another case where I can't visualize the same run, with some of her key supporters being focused on other projects this year
-Seymour Guado: I want to believe he can build off last year's success! I just can't believe that much, but hey, anything can happen...
-Delita Hyral: again, had a great run last year, but surely it's Ramza's time to shine!!!

That's it for me and predicting though, once we're out of boots I'm putting in the bare minimum, no more holding, going to try to not get invested in anything at all (especially untimely character eliminations). I'll leave the hot takes to whoever still has their finger on the pulse of the contest as it goes on. Though I'm sure I'll get pulled back in really badly once we hit the top 20, that's when things always seem to heat up, oh geez...
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andylt
07/17/21 6:54:36 PM
#266:


3D bias smh

Yuna would seem like the most straightforward winner there, but I'm still not veteran enough to tell which way the wind is blowing this early. Auron has been hanging around awfully late in the rounds already (as has Vivi!). I really don't see Selphie as a finals girl, idk I feel like her meme support will fade earlier than that. Aeris, Yuffie and Rikku all seem viable. Not being a FF villain guy I cannot impartially judge Seph and Kefka (my goal this year as I've said on discord is to have Rinoa kill Sephiroth lol). Ramza would be fun but idk if Tactics can pull off getting two finals in a row!

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MartinFF7
07/17/21 7:23:12 PM
#267:


andylt posted...
(my goal this year as I've said on discord is to have Rinoa kill Sephiroth lol)

Me at the beginning of reading andy's reply vs. at the end.



can I ask why Sephiroth in particular...
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Maniac64
07/17/21 7:24:43 PM
#268:


There are only like 2 or 3 people doing YRP right now so I wouldnt call them favorites by any means. Hopefully that will pick up as we go. I will be happy to be underestimating their chances.

That said I wouldnt worry about Rikku's exit last year. YRP had been in discussion for 2 contests so it was known that Rikku just needed to get through boots and she would get a push the next contest so people didnt prioritize her after boots. I know she plummeted down my priority list after boots.

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Xuxon
07/17/21 7:26:49 PM
#269:


No mention of Rinoa? As much as I don't like her, I feel scared of her making a deep run with Squall no longer having championship aspirations.

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swordz9
07/17/21 7:34:34 PM
#270:


I would back a Yuffie win. Shes almost gone out a couple times already though
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MartinFF7
07/17/21 7:42:03 PM
#271:


Xuxon posted...
No mention of Rinoa? As much as I don't like her, I feel scared of her making a deep run with Squall no longer having championship aspirations.

It didn't cross my mind and that might be my own bias, or blind spot, I just... can't see her being likeable enough to get broad-based support? And her "super strong" run ended at 11th, though this year could be different. I assumed that FF8 supporters would go to Selphie or to other games, but now you got me scared.

If worse comes to worse all we need to do is start posting English Dissidia NT clips of her, lol
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LiquidOshawott
07/17/21 7:51:33 PM
#272:


I dont believe in an intermission boost because nobody has a PS5

Also because Sonon would have likely made it in

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LiquidOshawott
07/17/21 7:55:56 PM
#273:


If I had to pick a final now, Kefka vs Sephiroth.

Which even though I only kinda like both would find to be an excellent final

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pjbasis
07/17/21 7:56:55 PM
#274:


MartinFF7 posted...
And her "super strong" run ended at 11th, though this year could be different.

Without me because Squall was still in! I'm looking at her as my favorite non-Seph champion. That or making it up to Laguna.

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FFDragon
07/17/21 8:13:51 PM
#275:


Hey. Selphie isn't a meme.

But I'm also not my me from seven years ago so if she makes a deep run it's going to be because support coalesces around her naturally.

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andylt
07/17/21 8:21:41 PM
#276:


MartinFF7 posted...
can I ask why Sephiroth in particular...
I don't remember the context of the conversation. I would be just as happy if she killed Kefka! And yeah I don't like Seph sorry, I'd be fine with Cloud/Aeris/Tifa/Barret winning from VII but I've never liked him. But for real I don't think Rinoa has a shot, maybe if Selphie weren't here but she's the natural VIII choice for now I guess. Hopefully I am wrong.

And sorry I thought Selphie was a meme with the way she's talked about and her being paired with the train!

Yuna would be my pick right now just from general popularity + Auron-style boot comeback + she's overdue + nobody is tired of seeing her always at the top. And I think most people are at least neutral on her (though Inviso hates her for some reason)


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FFDragon
07/17/21 8:45:42 PM
#277:


andylt posted...
I thought Selphie was a meme with the way she's talked about and her being paired with the train!

I mean... Have you played FF8? Girl loves her some train.

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andylt
07/17/21 8:51:17 PM
#278:


FFDragon posted...
I mean... Have you played FF8? Girl loves her some train.
Lol yes, that's why I thought it was meme support.

Although it is worth remembering that Rinoa actually has higher base support with Doomtrain than Selphie does!

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Robazoid
07/17/21 8:55:35 PM
#279:


All this talk of Selphie and Rinoa, watch it be Doomtrain instead finally beating third place
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LiquidOshawott
07/17/21 8:55:43 PM
#280:


Personal thoughts

  • The window on a 2D game winning this is closing fast I feel like, if it hasnt done so already. The base seems more invested in the Sony games, 7-10 especially.
  • The pixel remaster may not help because I just looked its expensive as shit (75 bucks for all 6 yikes)
  • Of the 4, I think people are a little burned on IX because of the negative stigma associated with its fans but I guess like, Beatrix/Freya can make a deep run and people will vote for Vivi a third time
  • VIII is a tad divisive in nature and did win last year, but it has less wins than the other Sony games overall so its not impossible for it to catch up
  • X is weird, I think people like Yuna and Rikku relatively enough but is it enough to come to a consensus? I feel some will save one but not the other in a top ten scenario.
  • VII probably the favorite game, just because a remake and the only thing preventing it was Squall getting a overdue win and T getting a overdue finals appearance.
  • Tactics and XII are probably long shots, but not impossible if theres circumstances that allow it
  • XIII and XV I think people are fatigued with the former and the base actually hasnt been invested in playing much with the latter

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LiquidOshawott
07/17/21 8:59:15 PM
#281:


Oh I didnt mention XIV

Unless we all make a guild I dunno if it can do great, but a deep run for like, Estinien who has the best name by a mile isnt impossible

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mnkboy907
07/17/21 9:02:57 PM
#282:


Yearly reminder it's been 16 contests since VI's last championship.

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LiquidOshawott
07/17/21 9:03:38 PM
#283:


mnkboy907 posted...
Yearly reminder it's been 16 contests since VI's last championship.

Yeah lets get Ramza a title

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mnkboy907
07/17/21 9:05:38 PM
#284:


Every year I post that and every year someone has a snarky response to undermine it. :(

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Inviso
07/17/21 9:09:13 PM
#285:


It's Terra's year, mnk. She got soft booted last year to make this year a miracle.

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LiquidOshawott
07/17/21 9:09:22 PM
#286:


I mean like I said, I would love for Locke or Sabin or even Kefka would be a fine winner, but I just think the base is more nostalgic towards the PS1 games/X, and they will be the favorites for as long as this goes on.

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mnkboy907
07/17/21 9:15:02 PM
#287:


Inviso posted...
It's Terra's year, mnk. She got soft booted last year to make this year a miracle.

Well in that case, let's go Vivi.

LiquidOshawott posted...
I mean like I said, I would love for Locke or Sabin or even Kefka would be a fine winner, but I just think the base is more nostalgic towards the PS1 games/X, and they will be the favorites for as long as this goes on.

Yeah I've been feeling that way for a long time now too. VI just doesn't seem to have the support to push into the finals lately. But maybe this year will be different!

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FFDragon
07/17/21 9:19:00 PM
#288:


andylt posted...
Lol yes, that's why I thought it was meme support.

I wish I could access my three page "Selphie is psychotic and the party is terrified of her" rant. She's A++.

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mnkboy907
07/17/21 9:31:57 PM
#289:


Realistically though I don't hate Terra (hating on her is a fun meme tho), but I'm just not so desperate for a VI win that I'd go all in on her without the rest of the contest going disastrous for me.

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Robazoid
07/17/21 9:37:03 PM
#290:


Next year is Cyan redemption and Terra championship!
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LiquidOshawott
07/17/21 9:45:17 PM
#291:


I thought we all agreed on top ten dads

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Robazoid
07/17/21 9:47:29 PM
#292:


Cyan represents dads, Terra represents moms (through adoption but it still counts)
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Grimlyn
07/17/21 9:50:00 PM
#293:


alternatively we get Duane and Katarin

or Maduin and Madonna

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FFDragon
07/17/21 9:51:36 PM
#294:


I will allow Dads if we get FFL2 Dad back.

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Bane_Of_Despair
07/17/21 9:54:44 PM
#295:


Are we gonna get Daddy of Light back

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LiquidOshawott
07/17/21 9:55:04 PM
#296:


FFDragon posted...
I will allow Dads if we get FFL2 Dad back.

my list from last years finals

Laguna
Barret
Dr. Cid
Jecht
Galuf
Cecil
Emet-Selch
Hojo
Shadow
Dad

with Sazh replacing Shadow when I realized I forgot Sazh

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Robazoid
07/17/21 9:55:50 PM
#297:


Can we limit this to good dads too and replace Laguna with Cyan and Jecht with literally anyone
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Inviso
07/17/21 10:01:45 PM
#298:


Robazoid posted...
Can we limit this to good dads too and replace Laguna with Cyan and Jecht with literally anyone

Jecht is a good Dad. Tidus is just a shitty son.

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MZero
07/17/21 10:05:32 PM
#299:


Inviso posted...
Jecht is a good Dad.

lmao

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07/17/21 10:07:34 PM
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