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UshiromiyaEva posted...

I should probably figure out how to give AAvPL another try one day, but unfortunately it's still stuck on original hardware. I imagine it being a crossover is the cause.

It'd definitely be interesting to look back at it after playing GAA since Layton vs inspired so much of it.
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Ryutaro's objection plays a couple more times but I think prelude does only play once in the whole game at the very beginning.
There are a few other tracks that only play once in the game including The Legend of the Baskervilles, The Great Detective's Friendship, Reminiscing ~ At Ambition's End , and Reminiscing ~ Bonds Forged in Travel

I think maybe intersecting murders too?

This game has a ton of unique reminiscence that only play once.
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Stalolin posted...

Nah.

When taking the 2nd game into account. You'll see.
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Stalolin posted...

Finished G1-4. It was... good. If this was an older AA game, this would have been case 3 and fell victim to the classic case 3-itis. On to 1-5!

The entire first game is a case 3 lol.
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Mac Arrowny posted...

G2-5 opinions:

This is maybe the worst case in the series? It's not necessarily as bad moment to moment as some of the really trash cases, but the effect is has on everything that built up to it makes it hit so much harder. It was incredibly obvious Kazuma's dad would be innocent, and also disappointing, since him being guilty was one of the things that made 2-3 interesting. Once G2-3 was over, I'd had enough of the stuff from 10 years ago, so everything that focused on that part was a waste of time. Jigoku was cool, but also obviously guilty from the moment he appears in England (though it seems not everyone realized this?). I hated prosecutor Kazuma and the very concept of him was stupid. The cherry on the shit sandwich was Holmes's ridiculous hologram thing at the end, which not only is really stupid, but they also waste a ton of time explaining how it works. Way worse than anything in AJ.

The hologram thing could easily just be handwaved as for the player's benefit to make the finale more visually appealing while in-universe it was just a microphone since that doesn't change anything.
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Mewtwo59 posted...

Yeah, I had something similar too. I saw blood on the straps around Asman's body, so I assumed Sithe stabbed Asman after she moved him to Crystal Tower and strapped him in the second birdcage. Only to find out that Ryunosuke went in an entirely different direction with it.

lol, that's very similar
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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Start of 2-5

The most big dick move any judiciary adjacent villain has made thus far, lol.

END OF CASE spoilers, don't read unless you've finished the case::

If only it actually mattered lol. He's just a regular judge until he's accused and then whenever he tries to prematurely adjourn he just bows down to the pressure of the judiciary until the very end. He's never able to give a single unfair overrule or adjourn. He's pretty much same as if he was just the normal judge. It just looks cooler seeing a breakdown from the judge's desk.
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hombad46 posted...

The thing is that 2-5 testimony is more bad design IMO. The description really should've updated to mention the name of the ship instead of just saying it was for a ship, but it didn't and as you said most players probably wouldn't want to re-examine everything that they got in 2-4. Meanwhile the correct answer for the 2-3 one is just that minor of a detail that it's hard to spot.

True. But just remembered another hard one. 2-5 again where they ask you what evidence shows that the body was moved. You're supposed to show that the photograph of the body with the reasoning that he's curled up in a ball but that's a pretty big stretch. I also got the reasoning wrong here because I assumed it was because the color of his hands seemed like it was frozen. Pixel Partners had to use story mode for that.
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ArianaGrandSlam posted...

Full GAA2 final case spoilers:

All in all, most of my quibbles in earlier posts were wrapped up satisfactorily. Very hype final case and the last Dance of Deduction was better than any of the others because you didn't have to sit through the "wrong" part first. Taking down not only one but two judges in the courtroom is quite the feat. I'd put the final case up pretty high, but it still doesn't quite peak up at the main series' 2-4 which I maintain is still the best case of the entire series. All in all these two games were pretty solid though and I'm glad I got to play them, I was genuinely worried they would never reach the West at all. I cannot overstate how massive of an Ace Attorney fan I became in the early 2010s, it was all-consuming for a period there, so playing a new one of these was incredibly pleasant and comfortable for me. I can't wait to see what Takumi does next!

Iris's parentage feels way undercooked and kind of whatever though, not sure what the point in all that was.

Totally agree with all of this. And yeah, really wished they actually told Iris about her parentage. I thought the whole point of the final trial was to tell the truth? They did say they'll eventually tell her but come on, she's definitely capable of taking it already, and she already had to find out both that Dr Wilson is dead and that he wasn't actually her father due to them nonchalantly talking about it due to the case. Seeing Iris and Van Zieks interact as niece and uncle would've made up for how late the reveal is but no they never tell her and Van Zieks only makes a small comment on fully introducing himself.

I had the same feeling when you first meet him in G1-3. "Oh this guy is so obviously a villain, I hope he's actually not" feeling, not helped in the least by THE FUCKING BOX ART LOL

Agreed. Amazing breakdown and final theme that plays there though.

Also want to give shout-outs to Maria Gorey, a great underrated character that we should've seen more of.
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Case 2-3 is what made me like Gina a lot after I wasn't really fond of her during the first game. She also smiles more than half the time now.
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Something I find funny about the special poison is that one of the key evidence is how it makes the victim's pupils dilate... yet you never see Brett's eyes in the games. The photograph of Rei pulling out the knife is the one instance where you can see Brett's eyes without her mask or hat covering it and her eyes are closed there.
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LeonhartFour posted...

I love how everyone bows respectfully to mourn the loss of Auchi's "sprig of hope," including Hosonaga, who randomly reappeared for no reason.

also I don't know if that poem right before he cut it was supposed to be a haiku but if so the last part had one syllable too many

The best part was Kazuma's Nocturne playing. (late-game spoilers) It ruins any tragic elements that theme might have, and just as well, since we later learn there really isn't much to be sad about Kazuma anymore
Nanis23 posted...

I didn't like how the judge knew it was Susato all along
Yes I know it's supposed to be a "ha ha he knew" scene and not something very serious
But it still bothers me
Because a judge must follow the law. Even if he thinks said law is stupid. This is the very idea of a judge

tbf judges have let things fly in the past before like perceive and the whole mood matrix. Or just simple things like allowing defendants or random witnesses that were previously unaccounted for on the stand after they've barged in uninvited with something to say. Also, not sure if you've finished the game or not.
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Leonhart4 posted...

I imagine that's a casualty of reducing from three games to two, unfortunately.

I heard that was a rumor and that in an interview Takumi had actually said it was meant to be one game but the story was just too big for one game. Not sure how accurate those are since I haven't seen any of the interviews myself though.

Speaking of things that wasn't addressed, I kind of figured they'd address the extremely convenient juries that even Ryunosuke brings up and that it'd be more than just sheer coincidences.
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It really shows how much of a direct continuation GAA2 is. The entirety of GAA1 felt like 2nd cases and even the 5th case felt like a 3rd case at best. Meanwhile the 2nd case of GAA2 already feels like a fourth case and the third case is like a 5th case.
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lol I just remembered a funny assumption I had. (major 2-5 finale spoilers) .When I was still on the first game I was semi-spoiled that one of the villains in DGS2 would have a high body count so I assumed it was due to Vilen Bolshevik bombing the crystal tower. Not only was it referring to the mastermind behind the Reaper (and the Professor), Bolshevik actually is never relevant at all other than being a minor juror.
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hombad46 posted...

Yeah that was definitely the hardest cross-examination in the game for me. I also interpreted her pause before the cause of death to mean that the statement about the cause of death is what I should be focusing on, which didn't help.

The actual reasoning was wrong but I got it on the first try because she gives you two different amendments to her testimony so you know it's one of those. I actually thought that he'd died from the neck trauma but I figured she's lying about where she stabbed Odie Asman. For some reason I thought the lie was that she actually stabbed him at the crystal tower. So when asked what the problem was with the image I picked the broken glass. When that failed, the stab wound was the only other option.
So I had an easy time with it despite completely getting the reasoning wrong.

I feel 2-5 had a harder one with the whole Grouse thing was not listed in any of the descriptions of the evidence. You could only see it if you examine the back of Mikotoba's invitation which I already did when I was first shown it, seemed completely irrelevant by now, and since it was technically a new case even though you first get it in 2-4 you can't normally text skip all the evidence you've already read so I didn't want to reread all the old evidence plus I figured they'd already have written anything significant in updated descriptions.
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ArianaGrandSlam posted...

G2-4 spoilers

oh I was expecting a Trial 2 and then an entirely new case 5, makes sense given the subject matter that it would lead directly into the grand finale but when I saw "End" and had to select the next case, felt like a weird split to make

Don't worry. It's still a fairly lengthy episode with a lot of twists coming up.

ArianaGrandSlam posted...

G2-4 spoilers again: I still maintain that "Gossip" IS the worst witness I've ever seen in an Ace Attorney game, I hate that ugly lip, but Daley's alright.

What I like is the contrast. It's usually an attractive or appealing witness who drops their facade/disguise into something uglier/evil but here we have one of the most grotesque witnesses being unmasked as someone much more appealing or at least normal looking.
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PentelPaint posted...

Was the summation exam in this trial day the flimsiest, most bull summation exam or what? The jurors voted Soseki guilty of attempted murder because they hate gas companies. Maybe Baron van Zieks had the right idea about juries after all.

Oh yeah and Quinby just goes along with it for some reason lol. I guess she kind of uses the opportunity to yell at them lol.
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It's optional but if you present the representation papers to Gina (or examine it, I forget which) you get some info on Gina's literacy.
Yeah, some of the minor mechanic details of the Mcgilded case are never answered. The tools in the omnibus being one, and another is why the witnesses saw two different moments of him getting stabbed.
A possible answer i got for the first one is that Mcgilded initially wanted to keep Gina secret only to reveal her later but that's kind of silly.
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CyricZ posted...

Yeah yeah yeah :D

Yeah, big 2-5 spoilers they're never going to be able to pull something like "judge from two tutorial cases kills the main detective and accuses your first case mentor who is now the prosecutor" again. ngl I didn't want Stronghart to be the main villain because A. he's way too obvious. and B. he did so many helpful things that benefited Ryunosuke/Kazuma that eventually backfired on him. He literally goes out of his way to give exceptions to the two of them and lets them explore crime scenes/be a lawyer/prosecutor in Britain in the first place which all backfire on him. And he's supposedly supposed to be paranoid enough to kill off his loyal accomplices yet he just goes out of his way to give Ryunosuke and Kazuma the opportunity to bring him down.
His breakdown was absolutely amazing though.

Also regarding Iris, wish they could've told her about her family relations. The whole theme of the trial being "tell the whole truth no matter the cost" rings kind of hollow when they keep hiding things from Iris. They do say they'll tell Iris "at the right time" but she's smart and composed enough to handle it by now. Iris literally learns that Dr Wilson is dead and isn't her father due to them discussing it as part of the trial forgetting she was in earshot. Many things were wrapped up but one of my biggest gripes is definitely that they never tell her. It's as annoying as Phoenix STILL not telling Apollo and Trucy about their relation too.
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2-5 is absolutely fucking batshit insane holy fucking shit
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Team Rocket Elite posted...

I believe Gina's profile was already updated at this time to say she was Iris's friend (Iris wouldn't reveal this until a bit later) and I think that was part of the reason I thought she was telling the truth. Although, even if I didn't see that I think I would have trusted her anyways. IIRC Gina explicitly admitted to pawning stuff she stole but also made it clear that she didn't steal anything in this specific case. Also was this really longer to get a defendant than in 6-5? IIRC that also took a long time before we even found out there was a case. Someone should try timing this.

True, but I still thought she was really fishy and that she'd be a semi-bad guy even while she was Iris's friend.

Anyway, I'd actually recently read somewhere that someone was timing case lengths and that G1-5 had the longest until a defendant happens. It does make sense if you think about it. It took one "to be continued" to get a defendant in SoJ while it took at least two of them in GAA and GAA chapters are a bit longer than the rest of the series.
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Ok, so I'm at the "supper" part right after that segment. It's probably not the full story but (major 2nd game finale spoilers up to here of course) If Kazuma was really one of the assassins then that means he went against and had his own colleague thrown in jail.
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ROFL at second game's case 5 right after the first part of the trial. if you choose the mouse trap you get Yujin Mikotoba going Chu chu! The mental imagery of that is absolutely priceless
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You should play the second game. It's so much better than the first.
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Besides the Layton games I believe GAA1-5 is the longest case until we get a defendant. I'll admit I actually thought Gina stole the redemption ticket from the man the first time I played lol. I wasn't trusting of Gina at all.
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ArianaGrandSlam posted...

early G2-4 trial witness spoilers: Gossip may be my least favorite witness in the entire series. I cant stand looking at that fucking ugly character model its the worst thing I think Ive seen in this entire franchise, at least off the top of my head. Conversely, Venus is a really fun witness and very cute. Beppo remains annoying but not as bad as Gossip, what were they thinking?

Case GAA2-4 spoilers yeah Im coming around to it because facing him in court is fun, the first time he started going hog wild with evidence against the defendant was amazing. Still, not enjoying Holmes just saying yeah I lied Ill tel you later lol all the time, feels cheap. Same with Susato deciding there was no reason to say how she knew Baskervilles until after she went to Japan and back again

Broad spoilers for the entire GAA1/2 plot up to case G2-4: also why the fuck havent we told Iris about her dad? Its been several months since it was brought to light and hes been dead for over a year if my math is right, seems cruel to keep that info close to the chest for no reason. Im sure itll factor into one of these last two cases but theyre sure taking their time

lol both your first and third paragraph are what I initially thought as well but it turns out both are actually handled really well which you'll see once you finish the episode.
2nd paragraph is true though.

BignutzisBack posted...

Without spoilers is it a good game or not?

2nd game is on road to being one of the best games in the series. First game is a bit of a slog though. 1st case goes on for too long. 2nd and 3rd case are completely separate events but honestly could've be combined. 4th case is a filler and unsatisfying to some people and 5th case is when the big events first start happening... as build up for the second game. The second game fully pays off though, including making G1-4 better.
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Raka_Putra posted...

Roll credits!

lol great moment. I smh at the players who hate him.
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Anagram posted...

We do technically see one of the jurors in AA4!

No conflict of interest there!
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ArianaGrandSlam posted...

idk how well it will be written but having uhhh actually Kazuma was never dead and he has amnesia now and is wearing a silly mask because Holmes lied as a new plot element seems less like a meta twist on Mia Feys death in AA1-2 and more like something really dumb that stretches believability. I guess Ill see how I feel by the end of case 5, immediately makes me wonder if theyll revisit Pavlova, at least in the credits they must

End of GAA2-3 spoilers This is one of the few times I think "bringing back a presumed dead character" is actually more believable since Kazuma dying like a chump from a 15 year old girl pushing him and him tripping onto a bedpost is so fucking stupid lol
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SSBM_Guy posted...

I'm not a really big fan of the "cold but vulnerable woman finally smiling after winning the case" archetype in PW, but Gina did a number on me.

I like how it's foreshadowed. You see her wiping away her tears with her eyes obscured a couple times when Ryunosuke tells her about trust during the case and after you've secured her freedom and kept your promise she openly cries happily in front of you. I think it's the only instance where they build up to it which makes it stand out.
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Well, Susato GAA2 spoilers does do the same wild animations as Ryunosuke when in 2-1.

Zieks also slams his leg on the desk. But he is one of the few main prosecutors to not physically assault the defense alongside Edgeworth and Klavier.
Shout-outs to Barnham too.
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Not commenting on Gina's heartwarming tearful smile? First time she genuinely smiles in the game.
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Leonhart4 posted...

Confess the Truth plays in every case, but it's definitely used more sparingly than other games.

If it played in 5-3 and 5-6 and I forgot I'd be ashamed since those were my favorite cases in the game.
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Then00bAvenger posted...

I thought 5-2 was mostly a sleeper until the TWEEST which was legit amusing. Also that scene was one of the only instances where Confess the Truth plays in DD and that's a pretty epic song lol

Did it play in 5-2? Haven't played DD in awhile but off the top of my head I remember it being played during Case 1 culprit's confession, and Case 5 black psyche locks twice.. Maybe at the ending of Case 4 too?
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I'm actually rather surprised to see 5-2 and 3-2 praise. They're some of my least favorite cases and in ranking lists they don't tend to rank very high either.
Besides the obligatory detective, 3-2 functionally only had two characters, one being the defendant, to cross-examine and both were in both trial days. Also, the defendant and his wife get no comeuppance for their criminal behavior and are implied to still be committing heists in the future. The victim is extremely bland and from what little we know of him he was unlikeable. Only saving point is that the villain is one of the better ones with a great final testimony but that doesn't make up for the rest of the case. I guess it's nice to see Adrian happy too but that's not really a trait of 3-2 itself.

5-2... can be summed up with this.
http://i.imgur.com/h9zRgBt.jpg

It's actually the worst case in the series for me. The villain and his accomplice (who doesn't seem to be punished for his crimes) are gutter tier characters and I didn't really like the Tenmas either. Blackquill is ok but I liked him in other cases more.

My ranking of 2nd cases would be I2-2>6-2=GAA2-2>2-2>I-2>Layton-2>>>GAA1-2>4-2>>>3-2>1-2>5-2.
I2-2 is top tier. One of the only cases in the series that I didn't get who the culprit was until the very end and the first instance of a culprit being the victim. 6-2 and GAA2-2 is amazing as people have said.
2-2 builds up the Fey arc with 3-5 being nowhere near as good if 2-2 didn't exist and the villain is rather sympathetic. Breaking down Von Karma for the first time is also a great moment. I-2 is ok, an airplane is a fun setting, the villain is pretty good, and the "defendant" is also pretty good. Layton-2 is... kind of generic looking back but it's the first time you're introduced to the multiple witnesses at a time mechanic and the spellbook was neat. Fun villain who is important later too. GAA1-2 has no trial and a very unsatisfying ending and lamest death ever which is made up for later at least. The pure tragedy of it does make for pretty good reaction vids though. 4-2 is 2-2 but worse due an inferior defendant and irrelevance to the overall story. Looking back, 1-2 is a complete joke case with a joke culprit, Edgeworth implied to be willing to forge evidence which is later retconned, and Phoenix basically losing despite the braindead culprit and needing a deus ex machina ghost to carry him. It being the 2nd case in the series and being an intro to investigations, Gumshoes, and Maya are what gives it an edge above 5-2.

Speaking of 3rd cases though. Layton-3 is easily the best case in the game by far and top 5 case in the series for me. Takumi really learned how to do 3rd cases after AJ. Yamazaki with AAI2 to an extent too.
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Raka_Putra posted...

What does Susato's telegram really say?
'Hi bby girl a/sl/?'

This one was actually answered, it's simply telling her she needed to return home to see her dad.
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Spidey5 posted...

Damn it Gifted. I want to play Akiba. Those are the kinds of things you say to me if you don't want me to play Akiba. >_____>

lol well, imo you should still continue on your original plan of playing the games you wanted to first. I just wanted to say GAA2 is a lot more interesting, both in story and character personalities, than the first game but it does it by tying into the first game so just be sure not to have forgotten the details when you get to it.
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lol case G2-3 examining the charred ground of the exhibition ground on day 2. Ryu just randomly makes fun of his client getting his dreams dashed and laughs about it.
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hombad46 posted...

I think I got stuck for a bit at the same place. Pretty sure we both presented the first ticket to Gregson before he was willing to talk to us then didn't think to present it again.

I've seen numerous people get stuck there. Probably the hardest moment in the first game.
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Spidey, a quick note about Great Ace Attorney 2 that is probably relevant to your interests: There's a cute witch girl. Also Gina is even cuter.
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Spidey5 posted...

I enjoy his "You'll forgive me the discourtesy" shtick. I was rolling when he threw the wine bottle behind him out of nowhere and said something along the lines of "You'll forgive me for the discourtesy of throwing this swill behind me into the audience chamber."

If it was just Ace Attorney that came out in July I probably would. But I also got ahold of the new Akiba game and Neo World Ends with you, and I want a break from Ace Attorney. Plus, if I start the second game right away and finish it, I'll have no more Ace Attorney for the foreseeable future. :(

I guess that's understandable. Just be sure to still play it while you can still remember the details of the first game. Because even the first case of the first game is important and the fourth case (tiny spoilers for fourth case only) that seems like filler is directly followed up on.
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Spidey5 posted...

I just finished the first game. Don't know when I'll get around to the second game but it will be awhile. Just wanted to post some random thoughts.

Spoilers for the first game:
Fuck them killing Kazuma in such a stupid way. He was one of the coolest characters in the game.

McGilded is legit one of the most interesting characters I've seen in Ace Attorney. The way he pulls the wool over even the player by seeming like such a cool, friendly, and entertaining guy. Only for it to slowly dawn on you how much of a monster he is.

GINA IS A GOOD GIRL DAMN IT! A GOOD GIRL! BLESS GINA!!!!

That is all.

I'd really recommend getting to the 2nd game soon after. The 1st game is basically just the 1st half. For one thing, even the filler case isn't over yet. The 2nd game is when it all comes together. It's also way better paced.
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Guess I'll tag this one as well. Hopefully you'll actually get through the superior second game.
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Oh yeah, the Bustling People theme that first plays for them is super underrated too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJyqtWXWE2I
I actually think it's one of the better "people" themes.
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Team Rocket Elite posted...

The Garridebs were alright as characters but Patricia was great. I'm not sure exactly why but I ended up liking her a lot. It surprised me that the playing card tenant never showed up at all after his initial appearance. He lived near the scene of the crime and showed up in the case but otherwise was completely unrelated.

I think it's because of just how helpful she was, which is a far cry from the majority of witnesses in the series, even the ones that are supposed to be on your side. She willingly brings up many significant details that help Ryunosuke piece together the story. One might assume that her overtly cute personality might be a facade like it usually is for most cute/charismatic characters in the series so the fact that she's a genuinely helpful witness who doesn't try to hide anything and talks about everything she experienced in detail is a breath of fresh air.
On that note, Roly is also a pretty helpful witness despite his role in tampering with the crime scene and initially trying to cover it up. The moment Ryu gives the possibility of him tampering with the scene he admits to it rather than going into denial mode (which could've probably worked given that Ryu had no conclusive evidence to prove it). That plus his sympathetic motive for doing so and genuine remorse made me really like the Beates. I actually think the Beates plotline was the most compelling plotline in this case. I heard the localization made them a lot more bearable since the fan translation apparently had Patricia making a lot of mean spirited comments about Ryu and the victim though.
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I'd suggest not looking up the AA wiki until you finish both games even for random jurors/witnesses since many of them reappear in future cases.

Since we're on the subject of Furst though (SPOILERS for entire first game)
he appears to be a case of "What happened to the Mouse". The last time he's mentioned is in Clouded Kokoro when Susato worries what happened to him and he's never brought up again. It kind of hints that he was the one tried for either Mason or Mcgilded's murder although nothing is mentioned about him after both cases are resolved
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I believe ever since the first dance of deduction Sholmes starts respecting Ryunosuke. It was Sholmes who first brought up the idea of Ryunuske taking Kazuma's place after all.
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Yeah, the game starts off really slow but it starts building up fast. It doesn't really finish in the first game (more like first half) but it does in the second game.
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Team Rocket Elite posted...

I feel like I still don't know very much! My Court Record is still very empty

This is kind of a thing with GAA1 lol.

Also, I think this section has a unique part where examining the violin, the blackboard, and somewhere else (I think the bookshelf) before talking to Iris will get you different dialogue than when you examine them after you talked with her. Haven't seen that happen anywhere else yet.
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