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Suprak the Stud posted...

I will forever be more concerned with Wisconsin than Minnesota. I know the polling says it is "safe" for now, but I just do not trust that state to not swing to Trump hard knowing what I know from having family live there.

That being said I would agree I would put Minnesota over Michigan and Pennsylvania for now. Polling has been weird in Minnesota lately. It is worth polling more for sure.

Did you read my reply to you before? You said the polling beforehand looked better for Biden, but I showed you there was really no non-partisan polling prior to the Emerson for over a month or more.

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I would like to see more updated polling in Minnesota. I still think Trump is dead in the water. And PA is locked in for Biden (though the killing fracking comment is going to hurt that campaign). However, Trump being viable in Minnesota would open up the map some for Trump also.

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Inviso posted...

I call out progressives for sandbagging their own goals (to the point where I legitimately question if they really care about progressive goals) all the time.

Fair enough, but I wonder if you would explain why they should be blocked or so on. Or does this not pertain when they fight for your own cause.

I can't see anyone seeing Kamikaze's posts on racism and lynchings made repeatedly even after already disproven as anything but trying to incite racial tensions and the subsequent of ignoring every time called out about being wrong about it as any different than what redsox was accused of here.

Isn't that "acting like arguing in good faith" then "goes silent long enough until enough discussion has happened" to act like it again?

Enough people in this topic tried to argue it could be lynchings to try and support Kamikaze than called out kamikaze after proven incorrect in very dangerous assumptions.

That was directly after people were dogpiling redsox for making an assumption on another topic.

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Inviso posted...

Lasa, there's a reason why people tell you to ignore Red Sox. It's BECAUSE he comes across as genuine ENOUGH to pass as legitimate (up until he starts openly trolling, then he goes silent until enough discussion has occurred that he can pretend to be arguing in good faith again). The fact is that none of his primary arguments make sense if he legitimately supports Bernie, but they DO make sense if his primary goal is to sandbag the Democratic Party as a whole.

But will you call out those on the left who act this way?

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https://apnews.com/212ccd87924b6906053703a00514647f

This came up after Cuomo's speech tonight. That Cuomo may be praising his states work on covid-19 when he might have himself been the main cause of deaths and be obscuring that from the public.

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The new republican bill they are gonna offer is terrible. Go figure.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republicans-plan-scaled-back-proposal-for-virus-relief-bill/ar-BB184xr3

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/17/swedens-covid-19-strategist-under-fire-over-herd-immunity-emails

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/16/health/covid-19-vaccine-trial-black-minority-recruitment/index.html

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In some irony, I fully expect all the countries that "did well" will get slammed with covid in the fall and winter. While the United States will generally fade off because many areas already have been slammed and have enough immunity to naturally social distance.

Biden wins election and is praised for righting the Covid response. However, he actually did nothing different to cause it. It was simply a numbers game.

All countries start to relatively look similar in numbers when population and population density is taken into effect.

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Inviso posted...

So Nancy Pelosi has recalled the House to deal with current crises. That's a good start.

I think she recalled it for the USPS specifically. But it is good either way

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Shaduln posted...

No, you said it was too limited and that's why it hasn't been used. The reason any money hasn't been used is because it's eligible for use until the end of the year and has to be on a reimbursement basis, so at this point it's an administrative exercise of filling out the forms/identifying expenses.

My point isn't "you said there are no limits", it's that you said there were too many limits for it to be used. That is inaccurate.

That's a fairer statement.

However, states have been sitting on it hoping that the restrictions would be lessened also to be used for lost revenue.

https://www.mcall.com/news/pennsylvania/mc-nws-pa-cares-money-spending-20200528-mrzrwjnduj
apjl4xl4f77wsavu-story.html

Broken up link cuz it thinks the link is racist lol.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Corrik you know we can all see the part where you said it doesnt have restrictions right?

That's the heroes act bill. The 800 some billion. The republican offer is 300 billion with some restrictions like no use on pension funds.

EZmode

1. Cares Act. Allocates money to states with scope of Covid-19. States weren't sure how to use it in many cases so these funds remained deep into the pandemic. The requirements were relaxed some, including to even just a week or so ago when Trump allowed it to be used as the chip in for the executive order unemployment.

2a. Heroes Act - Democrats want approximately 800billion-1 trillion dollars for states and local governments that can be used for anything.

2b. Republican negotiation offers on bill - up to 300 billion for states and local governments but not allowed to be used on certain things. Such as Pensions.

3. ???? Whatever the agreed proposal is at some point.

You are talking about two different acts and not using context to figure out what is being talked about.

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Shaduln posted...

As someone that is literally in charge of making sure my City follows the CARES Act requirements, this is not true. It is very broad and has less regulations than most federal money (but still has to follow the general rules). The qualification is basically "is this related to COVID?"

I am concerned for you at your job then.

I literally just said the Cares Act was limited in scope and they tried to less limit it to get them to use their money but that some states couldn't use it because of its limited state.

We literally agreed there. Despite you saying I am "Wrong".

I said for the next act Democrats don't want limitations on it. And Republicans want LESS limitations on it, but they want it not able to be used on pensions.

I always love when someone says I am wrong and is condescending when literally repeating the same exact thing I said.

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/16/us/face-mask-partisan-issue-2020-1918-trnd/index.html

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Shaduln posted...

Do you....do you think when the federal government gives money out that there aren't specific requirements on how it can be spent?

The money the Democrats want to give out doesn't have restrictions. It is allowed to be used as seen fit by the state.

Republicans also want to loosen the restrictions on state money to encompass more, but specifically do not want it to go towards pensions.

One of the criticisms of the first payout to states from the first round was that it was too specific so states had it sitting there and didn't use it all. Hence Trump's "not all states even used their money from the first round yet" line.

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

just gonna go back like seventy posts here real quick

this is a super dumb post. conspiracy theories arent all equally valid.

also if we allow mail-in votes, there will be more fraud is just as much a conspiracy theory as if we allow the government to have total surveillance someone might abuse it so youre just as bad

I mean, sure some are worse than others but assuming a conspiracy is also the same mindset so to speak.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I agree.

I guess to further that. Then it is weird they want to block people so they cannot see their posts, then want to complain when there are blocked posts in the topic.

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It's always weird how people want to contain politics to one topic on the board and also want to complain when people talk about politics in the one topic they want to discuss it in.

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xp1337 posted...

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/04/864899178/why-is-voting-by-mail-suddenly-controversial-heres-what-you-need-to-know

IIRC, the "MIT study" you're referencing turned out to be done by an MIT student or something to that effect but it nevertheless made rounds across right-wing media as "omg MIT says FRAUD"

I have no idea but it is obviously common sense signing a paper versus showing an Id in person that one is inviting fraud over the other.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

The states didn't fucking "run themselves poorly"! They had a gargantuan expense (dealing with the pandemic) dumped on them because Trump completely abdicated responsibility, and meanwhile have plummeting revenue because of the economic damage caused by covid (which is very much exacerbated by Trump's utter failure to deal with it). Not bailing the states out will cause more cuts in government services and employment, furthering the economic pain everyone is dealing with right now.

Well, the main gist of why he doesn't want to give money to states is because he thinks they will use it to bail out pensions. Like Dems want 840 billion for states. The white house has offered 300 billion (with the rule it cannot be used at all in regards to pensions) lol.

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xp1337 posted...

It's a direct quote and the tweet includes the full answer which includes his BS about "I want money for the people they want money for poorly run Democrat states" in the video that is part of the tweet.

It is a direct quote out of context to the question. He explains why he hasn't met with her. Says he would meet with her. Says if they don't get a bill we will be happy either way. Then right after that says he wants to though because he wants to get money to the people.

Seriously stop using Twitter sources that cut out and off stuff to frame a response. I am over here voting for Biden and having to defend Trump because yinz can't stop being disingenuous. Knock him for what he deserves to be knocked for. Don't try to add to the pot.

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TheRock1525 posted...

No I'm not. The entire argument voter fraud is negligible isn't based on any talking point. It's based on scientific studies done over and over again to show it. If there were actual verifiable studies that said otherwise I'd change my position. But there aren't.

The MIT study said voter fraud is more rampant in mail in balloting and was recommended against. If I remember correctly. But, you went from me imposing draconian measures to shifting your goalposts to another argument once you realized you were goofing so whatevs.

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Is this true or horse shit? Just curious? I err to horseshit cuz it's Facebook, but the author is very engaged that she did research and used multiple sources to every claim lol.

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xp1337 posted...

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1294756007143497728

Trump on why he won't negotiate a new COVID-19 stimulus bill: "The country is doing very well right now. We can live very happily with it [or] without it."

other gems from this press conference include the postmaster general trying to make USPS great again and also "I can't tell you what he's doing" when pressed on specifics like removing sorting machines.

I saw that also but the actual stuff he says is quite different than it is framed by the twitter post. He says he isn't negotiating it because they want to bail out states who ran themselves poorly instead of the people.

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TheRock1525 posted...

I'm not arguing any talking point.

Yes, you are. Almost word for word.

Let me make this even easier for you. Inviso always says would I be for free IDs for everyone if everyone was required to vote in person with IDs. And I say yes. There should be no barrier to vote economically. Everyone should be able to vote. You should however have to prove you are the person you are to make sure the person who has the right is voting.

You are acting like I am arguing something different than I am. You are arguing I am for restricting the vote, when I am not at all.

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red13n posted...

Sure, but you have yet to come up with anything that accomplishes this.

Sure I have. You just threw out 1% of the elderly are gonna die with no rational explanation with your usual covid fearmongering you normally do to try and refute it somehow.

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TheRock1525 posted...

What the fuck are you even talking about?

It's called reading, bud. Try it.

You are arguing for the Democrats talking point. I am arguing for common sense. While you are accusing me of arguing the Republicans talking point which I ain't. It's actually quite funny to see unfolding NGL.

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TheRock1525 posted...

Its so weird to be worried about how 1000 people might defraud the system while at the same time thinking that a 99% reduction in voters would reaffirm the system.

Like if we impliment all these draconian voter laws and suddenly we have 25% less voters, why would thay reflect well on our elected leaders affirmation to run the country?

Cuz you are forever stuck in political talking points. You again believe it can only be one way or the other instead of realizing it could be both. You would rather engage in the never ending political loop arguing then have a solution. You are a sheep to the 2 party system.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Whats that old saying? Rather 10
guilty men go free than 1 innocent man get punished.

Yeah, youre basically doing the opposite of that times 100,000. You think its more worthwhile that 198 million people cant vote than 1000 people vote improperly?

This absurd and illogical.

Actually. I think it would be sane and logical for 330million to vote and us to have systems to stop fraud from taking place.

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15 cent movies at AMC for their return to being open! Who is in!

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red13n posted...

You just gave a bunch of elderly people COVID-19.

Made 0% sense, but okay.

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red13n posted...

Congrats, you just killed over 1% of the voting population.

Next.

What

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Would you accept having to undergo a patdown every time you enter Walmart because, say, one guy snuck in a lockpick and stole some video games in a locked display case?

Voter ID laws are overly burdensome for the problem they purport to address. And then you have bullshit like Republicans specifically choosing the forms of valid ID so that the laws will even more disproportionately affect likely Democratic voters.

I could give a shit less if I was patted down. The only people who care about such things are people who are worried they are going to get caught doing something. Literally asking someone who thinks a surveillance state is a good idea if they care about being patted down lol.

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red13n posted...

Again, do it without disenfranchising other voters.

You have yet to come up with a solution for this.

My solution has been stated.

Anyone can vote via electronic or mail or in person. Fingerprint needed to verify identity. Everything sorted to same database and if identity voted more than once, other votes thrown out.

Now we are gonna argue not everyone has a fingerprint. And argue it disenfranchised voters because they might not want their fingerprints filed in case they do a crime later in life. Like. Lololol.

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TheRock1525 posted...

And we can verify those cases of fraud and throw them out.

They are still finding fraud cases from elections ago to this day. What 12 years after the fact we will nix Trump's Presidency and equate everything he did to Hillary? Like, you don't seem to understand the reason fraud seems so irrelevant to Chris is because it is hard to prove fraud a lot with the systems in place.

The ones that get caught the most are double voting just because people can pull the rolls after a few years or so (sometimes never) and cross reference things.

Most voting as someone else in person is rooted out by knowing they are looking for it alrdy in ID areas so you don't even try it. And in places where they don't you usually don't uncover it. Mail in ballots are a different animal.

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TheRock1525 posted...

"Listen, we need to close this Walmart. I know we successfully processed 5000 transactions today, but 10 people stole something from the store so we can't trust the system."

Using your analogy.

"We have a system that limits theft some in some areas but we want to really get to the masses, so we will no longer employ loss prevention or have any employees so customers can get goods as needed without waiting in lines or such. We trust them to send the check for what they take with their electronic signature for the cost!"

Like, you again are arguing for an extreme view instead of realizing this view isn't mutually exclusive. If you want to go to a more accessible system (though I would argue mail in isn't the best system then), you should want to also increase the check to prevent fraud as well which is easier to do in that system.

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TheRock1525 posted...

This is stupidly bad logic. Like horrifically bad.

Is it? We have 110 million voting without however many cases of fraud, but our election hinges on when 435 people vote.

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red13n posted...

Sure, lets stamp out fraud.

Without decreasing the number of people that are going to have access to voting.

Literally said since my initial post. Yinz are the ones arguing against it. Lol.

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Jakyl25 posted...

Yeah this

Corrik, whats better, a system where 200M people vote but 1000 votes are frauds, or a system where 100M people vote but 20 votes are frauds

A system were fraud doesn't exist and when it does exist we have ways to systematically uncover it.

200 million people voting and 1000 being fraud which turns the election is no better than 2 million voting and 0 being fraud.

In fact, it is arguably worse.

The fact you are okay with fraud and it's possible expansion because you are so against putting in a system to stamp out fraud is kind of concerning to me. They again, are not mutually exclusive.

When you are arguing all ballots should go to a less secure method of voting with no ways to stamp down on fraud that could be used, you are arguing a self-serving argument.

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"every vote matters" "one vote can make the difference"

"Eh studies say voter fraud is low so that's okay let's expand the system with low voter fraud instead of try to eliminate it or make it harder to do!"

C'mon, bud.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

There have been studies. Very low fraud has been found in mail in ballots over decades. How is this even political.

They do a sample size, Chris. And can't prove it in some cases.

But regardless you already admit to fraud already exists in the small subset of mail in balloting. Yet, you want it to encompass the entire populace which would magnify it. Instead of instilling a situation to root it out much better and expand it.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

There are already measures in place. They work.

Fraud in systems with literally greater checks in place other than a honor system signature.

Not sure is serious.

Yinz continue to play politics and be a part of the political game instead of getting things proper.

It's very simple. Every single person should be able to vote easily and every single person should be provided with means to properly identify themselves for such a vote that actually would do so.

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red13n posted...

Voting does not run on an honor system.

Mail in voting does. Lack of ID voting does.

Everyone should be given the same access to vote and the same process of identification to verify their vote. Shouldn't even be a debate unless playing politics.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

No it isn't. We have had a ton of mail in voting for years now with no issue.

This flies in the face of anyone who ever has believed in preventive measures and maintenance. You don't set up scenarios where it can easily be misused and use arguments of "well, we never tested properly or had the means to test properly if they would take advantage of this system as we are easily setting it up for, so it must be good!

"Hey, we should nuke China and Iran because there is no history that doing those things would actually be bad".

It is a nonsensical argument, and one I doubt you seriously believe. There is no doubt that you actually believe in preventing things happening beforehand and not setting them up to fail. I have no doubt you believe that contraception should be given out for free if requested to prevent pregnancy. And, would espouse that pro-life arguments are flawed because they also wish to restrict protected sex due to the sanctimony of marriage.

You don't throw situations into where they could be abused because you haven't yet to see someone do it (you haven't because it is too hard to prove it and test for it now).

We have ample evidence that similar avenues have been abused via fraud through online and mail services repeatedly, in much more intricate fashions. Because of ample investigating due to it having a monetary effect on tax payers.

Don't say wellll voter fraud could happen but we have no reason to believe it has happened yet so the honor system is working. That is reactionary bullshit. You put in places the systems to eliminate the possibility as much as possible. Not wait for it to happen.

You are the engineer who destroys the motor which takes 8 months to replace with no backup instead of doing scheduled preventive maintenance to assess you needed a backup or to prevent it from happening in the first place. Like, that's nonsense arguing, Chris. You are better than that. It's okay to want voting to be accessible and for voting to be secure. You shouldn't want only the one.

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Jakyl25 posted...

The government can and will do bad things with surveillance is on the same level as Democrats are a sex-trafficking demonic cult and we need to keep the children safe until JFK Jr reveals he isnt really dead and runs as Trumps VP to purge all the demons

Yes, assuming a conspiracy is as bad as assuming a conspiracy. Correct. Glad you get that.

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I just laugh all the times that people spout about conspiracy theorists and QAnons and whatever else conspiracy as lunacy but are the first up in arms when it comes to having all of the United States fingerprinted or requiring identification or surveillance and etc.

Like, you are just as much as a conspiracy theorist.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Requiring fingerprint identification to vote means requiring everyone to have fingerprints on file, and thats not happening.

Why not? It would also probably help police with catching culprits in cases a lot.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

There is no history of this.

That's a bad argument, Chris.

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red sox 777 posted...

Also, I think I'm okay with mass vote by mail provided that there is a narrow range of dates on which ballots received will be accepted. I don't want people to vote too early before all the evidence is in and I want final results on election night.

Too easy to abuse. Shouldn't be allowed without a proper identification system. Fingerprint verification or such.

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https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/politics/2020/08/14/south-dakotans-wont-receive-new-400-weekly-unemployment-payments/5585175002/

South Dakota first state to completely turn down all executive order unemployment aid.

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