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TopicSexy Anime Women v13: ''Aging like fine wine''
Calwings
09/07/20 12:25:27 AM
#98
TopicWhat mobile game you guys playing?
Calwings
09/06/20 11:23:03 PM
#19
Tales Of Crestoria and Revue Starlight ReLIVE

RIP Magia Record
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TopicSave That Royal (Round 22)
Calwings
09/06/20 9:58:33 PM
#39
Dimitri
Yami Yugi
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TopicSave That Royal (Round 22)
Calwings
09/06/20 8:34:19 PM
#30
Anak
Marth
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TopicSave That Royal (Round 22)
Calwings
09/06/20 7:26:39 PM
#21
Estelle
Pecorine
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TopicAnime/Other Stuff General V189: It was definitely a 10/10!
Calwings
09/06/20 6:14:42 PM
#34
Spidey5 posted...
Alright fine, I'll add Twin angel to my watch list.

https://i.imgur.com/iJHEOc6.png
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TopicSave That Royal (Round 22)
Calwings
09/06/20 5:57:54 PM
#12
Eirika
Ephraim
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Topicwhat was the last physical game/movie/album you purchased?
Calwings
09/06/20 5:57:22 PM
#5
Pokemon Shield

I only buy games physical if I'm not 100% sure I'll like the game but it's unlikely to have a sale or price drop in the near future, so if I don't like it I can trade it back in to Gamestop and recoup some of the money. Pokemon Sword/Shield fit that description (based on all the negative stuff we heard before and shortly after the launch) so I got it physical, but it ended up being worth keeping.
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TopicAnime/Other Stuff General V189: It was definitely a 10/10!
Calwings
09/06/20 5:37:38 PM
#31
https://i.imgur.com/vmfPbqk.png

I finished Twin Angel: Twinkle Paradise, and man... that was just ridiculous. Every episode made it feel more and more like a parody of magical girl anime rather than a normal one. Whether it actually was a parody or just had really good comedic timing doesn't really matter at this point, because it was hilarious either way. The fights were solid (but not as good as something like Nanoha or Symphogear), the story was decent (but not as good as something like Madoka or YuYuYu), the art/animation was pretty good, but the real selling point was the comedy and the girls being complete dorks in almost every scene. Plus I guess the fanservice was nice too.

https://i.imgur.com/pgPAVa2.gif

Overall, I give it an 8/10. Pretty good anime for essentially being a glorified advertisement for slot/pachinko machines. I'm gonna re-watch Twin Angel Break soon as well (I had mentioned before that I watched Break when it aired in 2017 without even knowing it was a direct sequel) so maybe this second time though now that I've actually seen Twinkle Paradise will improve my opinion of Break.
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TopicSave That Royal (Round 21)
Calwings
09/06/20 5:04:15 PM
#39
Dimitri
Peach
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TopicSave That Royal (Round 21)
Calwings
09/06/20 3:56:19 PM
#32
Anak
Marth
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TopicAnime/Other Stuff General V189: It was definitely a 10/10!
Calwings
09/06/20 3:55:50 PM
#29
https://i.imgur.com/NkMrGPl.png
https://i.imgur.com/ccnIwPU.png
https://i.imgur.com/1iFDuIg.png

This fucking show, I swear to god...
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TopicSave That Royal (Round 21)
Calwings
09/06/20 2:49:32 PM
#23
Estelle
Pecorine
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TopicSave That Royal (Round 21)
Calwings
09/06/20 1:30:08 PM
#9
Eirika
Ephraim
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TopicSave That Royal (Round 20)
Calwings
09/06/20 12:58:54 AM
#35
Yami Yugi
Zelda
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TopicSave That Royal (Round 20)
Calwings
09/05/20 11:51:19 PM
#27
Anak
Peach
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TopicSave That Royal (Round 20)
Calwings
09/05/20 10:45:55 PM
#19
Estelle
Pecorine
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TopicSave That Royal (Round 20)
Calwings
09/05/20 9:17:26 PM
#11
Eirika
Ephraim
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TopicSave That Royal (Round 19)
Calwings
09/05/20 8:01:06 PM
#33
Anak
Marth
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TopicAnime/Other Stuff General V189: It was definitely a 10/10!
Calwings
09/05/20 6:55:54 PM
#21
kirbymuncher posted...
Yumina the Ethereal as a 10/10 VN. it's this silly concept (but occasionally serious plot) actiony story about a school where the student council president is decided by all the clubs in the school battling it out in a giant debate tournament. Except "debates" are done using this magi-tech sort of system that converts your willpower and strength of opinions and etc into actual weaponry that you get to beat up the person you're debating with

Sounds ridiculously fun, and I'd watch it if it ever got an actual anime. I'm just not a visual novel type of person.
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TopicSave That Royal (Round 19)
Calwings
09/05/20 6:15:35 PM
#17
Estelle
Pecorine
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TopicSexy Anime Women v13: ''Aging like fine wine''
Calwings
09/05/20 6:15:13 PM
#95
TopicDoes anyone here play on 360 anymore, or am I the last holdout?
Calwings
09/05/20 5:19:44 PM
#11
Nope, all of the very few 360 games I would still want to play are either backwards compatible on XB1 or have been remastered/re-released since.
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TopicAnime/Other Stuff General V189: It was definitely a 10/10!
Calwings
09/05/20 5:17:48 PM
#17
Itachi157 posted...
I can't believe there still hasn't been any sort of continuation of the story from the part Rebellion left off on (unless Magia Record goes into it, but from what I've heard, it doesn't)

It hasn't, and it probably won't. Devil Homura isn't even in the game yet and the JP version just reached its third anniversary.
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TopicSave That Royal (Round 19)
Calwings
09/05/20 5:14:47 PM
#10
Eirika
Ephraim
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TopicI'm doing a Pokemon Crystal playthrough where I don't throw a single Pokeball
Calwings
09/05/20 4:55:45 PM
#60
After a few days of grinding, I finally made the trek up Mt. Silver to fight Red. I was originally planning on leading with Marowak straight away to take out Pikachu and then switch to deal with whatever Red would send out next, but I thought of another plan. I led with Jolteon, had it use Agility twice, then Baton Passed the +4 speed to Marowak. Jolteon tanked two resisted Thunder attacks as it did so, then Marowak came in and obliterated Pikachu with one Thick Club boosted Bonemerang. Then, Marowak took down Espeon with two Bonemerangs, but Espeon put a huge dent in Marowak's HP with Psychic. After that, Marowak hit Snorlax with Dynamicpunch, Snorlax hit itself in confusion, then it finished Snorlax off with a Bonemerang. Even more surprising, the same thing worked again on Blastoise, who I wasn't sure Marowak was strong enough (even with the Thick Club) to kill with just Dynamicpunch and one Bonemerang. In came Venusaur after that, who stupidly tried to use Solarbeam instead of just finishing off Marowak with Giga Drain, so it went down to two Bonemerangs. And finally, Marowak took down Charizard with a Rock-type Hidden Power to end the battle and this playthrough.

That's right, MAROWAK SWEPT RED. I'm not even mad about the hours I wasted grinding the other team members that never entered the battle, because sweeping the final boss with a Pokemon 20 levels lower than most of his team is an awesome way to end a fun playthrough like this.

I'm gonna take a little break from Pokemon to focus on some other games for a bit, but I already have a few ideas for what challenge/game to use for my next Pokemon playthrough. Some of these include a mono-type (leaning towards Bug) playthrough, a playthrough where I only catch one new Pokemon between each gym battle, or a "no STAB" playthrough where my Pokemon are not allowed to use offensive moves that would get a same-type attack boost. Feel free to comment on which of those sounds the most interesting, or even suggest ideas of your own.
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TopicSave That Royal (Round 18)
Calwings
09/05/20 4:03:47 PM
#40
Dimitri
Lawler
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TopicSave That Royal (Round 18)
Calwings
09/05/20 2:22:33 PM
#28
Anak
Marth
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TopicAnime/Other Stuff General V189: It was definitely a 10/10!
Calwings
09/05/20 2:20:54 PM
#14
Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
However, which anime do you REALLY love? Not just think is great, not even think is excellent... but is the mythical TEN OUTTA TEN!

FULL SERIES:

Symphogear = My #1 favorite anime of all time. Lovable characters, amazing animation, fantastic music, fast-paced action, and non-stop hype all the way through. Seriously, Hibiki suplexed a space shuttle, swung an army tank like a baseball bat, and punched God right in the fucking face. It's batshit insane, and I've never had more fun watching, following, and discussing an anime that I did while watching Symphogear. NANA WILLS IT!

Outlaw Star = The #1 anime from my childhood. Great characters and story, cool and unique action scenes, plus a sense of real adventure and scope that I rarely get from an anime. I loved it back in 2001 and I loved it in my re-watch in 2016, so it's not just nostalgia talking.

Kaleido Star = The most uplifting and inspirational anime I've ever seen. In addition to having so many enjoyable characters and an amazing story, Sora's endless optimism and never-give-up attitude actually helped me have a better outlook on my own life going forward. This is the only anime that I can say had a real, tangible effect on my life and behavior, and it's a sentimental favorite for that reason. To this day, I still re-watch the final episode every now and then when I need a pick-me-up.

Katanagatari = An artistic masterpiece, plain and simple. The character and weapon designs, the creative dialogue, the action-filled fights, everything about it is so beautiful and well-crafted. Every single episode was a dose of total bliss for my eyes, ears, mind, and soul, especially Shichika's incredible battle against Sabi Hakuhei. That one was so epic that I can't even describe it well enough to do it justice. I don't think anyone can.

Kill La Kill = I loved this show for basically the same reasons that I loved Symphogear: great characters, crazy action, and insane hype. It didn't do these quite as well as Symphogear did, but it did have Mako being the greatest comedic relief character that I've ever seen in an anime.

Revue Starlight = I loved this show for basically the same reasons that I loved Katanagatari: artistic beauty in every single aspect of the show. Though the animation is a bit weaker, it makes up for that with the incredible music and sheer creativity that enhance the fight scenes even more.

Cowboy Bebop = I loved this show for basically the same reasons that I loved Outlaw Star: fun characters, great action, and a sense of adventure while still being episodic. I liked Outlaw Star slightly more because it had better lighthearted moments and extra space combat, but both are amazing.

INDIVIDUAL SEASONS:

Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha A's = I loved this show for basically the same reasons that I loved Symphogear, and A's also had the best hero/villain dynamics that I've ever seen in an anime. There were several times in this season where I truly didn't know if I was cheering for Nanoha and Fate or the Wolkenritter, because both sides were so interesting and had such great motivations. Plus, Symphogear never exists if Lyrical Nanoha (and A's in particular) doesn't blaze that trail for violent, action-packed magical girl anime nearly a decade prior. NANA WILLS IT!

Selector Infected WIXOSS = The first season of a wild roller coaster ride filled with drama, mystery, suffering, death, and children's card games. It did an amazing job at setting up the eerie world and high stakes of the Selector battles and getting me invested in wanting to see the girls make it out with their lives and minds intact. The dramatic moments were executed perfectly, right up to the cliffhanger ending to set up the second season.

Lostorage Conflated WIXOSS = The fourth and final season of the aforementioned wild roller coaster ride. After dropping off a bit in the middle seasons, this season definitively wraps up the WIXOSS story in a very enjoyable way that brings together the Selector and Lostrage casts for one final struggle. WIXOSS as a whole also has my favorite example of a character being upgraded from a relatively minor role in the early part of the story to playing a very important role in the later part of the story, but it does so in a way that still feels organic and not forced.

FILMS:

Your Name = I saw this in theaters and it was one of the most beautiful experiences I've ever had. The story, the romance, the artistic beauty, the fact that it actually managed to make me cry like a little bitch in the theater... it just really hit hard for me.

The Disappearance Of Haruhi Suzumiya = A crazy but beautiful story with plenty of plot twists and emotional impacts. The Haruhi series itself was pretty good at making me invested in the cast, but this movie made me appreciate them so much more. Yuki didn't deserve this...

Puella Magi Madoka Magica: Rebellion = Yes, I gave this movie a 10/10 after only giving the Madoka Magica TV anime a 9/10. Fucking sue me. The story and animation were even more amazing than the series itself, and Homura's journey is one of the greatest characters arcs that I've ever seen in an anime. Plus, it takes a lot of courage for a writer to completely dismantle the overall happy ending of the original story and show how truly horrible and selfish of a person Homura actually was the whole time. Betraying the universe itself is the ultimate heel turn.

That's all of the 10/10's that I've given so far, and I severely doubt my top 3 of Symphogear, Outlaw Star, and Kaleido Star will be changing any time soon. Also, Deca-Dence this season has the potential to join these 10/10's if the ending turns out really good, but for now I would put it at a 9/10.
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TopicSave That Royal (Round 18)
Calwings
09/05/20 12:57:31 PM
#18
Estelle
Pecorine
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TopicSave That Royal (Round 18)
Calwings
09/05/20 11:49:46 AM
#10
Eirika
Ephraim
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TopicAnime/Other Stuff General V189: It was definitely a 10/10!
Calwings
09/05/20 1:48:01 AM
#2
Tag. Also, you may want to edit the Fall seasonal chart into the opening post since we're less than a month away from that season starting:

https://anichart.net/Fall-2020

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
However, which anime do you REALLY love? Not just think is great, not even think is excellent... but is the mythical TEN OUTTA TEN!

I'll post my list tomorrow.
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TopicSince #pokemonmastersex is trending, what pokemon master would you have sex with
Calwings
09/04/20 9:11:14 PM
#117
TopicGacha Game General Topic 10: ''For what reason do you play? Power? Fame? Love?''
Calwings
09/04/20 9:01:15 PM
#423
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTr0fErd5AU

Strike Witches is getting a mobile game soon. This might be the closest we get to a "cute airplane girls" gacha to match Girls Frontline being a "cute gun girls" gacha and Azur Lane being a "cute ship girls" gacha
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TopicSince #pokemonmastersex is trending, what pokemon master would you have sex with
Calwings
09/04/20 8:27:45 PM
#115
TopicRey Mysterio is getting his own animated series on Cartoon Network Latin America
Calwings
09/04/20 5:24:17 PM
#4
Kobe Bryant posted...
Hasn't their been like 4 different rey mysterios along the years? Will this be voiced by the original?

This cartoon will be about the most recognizable Rey Mysterio, the one that's a sure-fire WWE Hall Of Famer and one of the most famous luchadors in the world today. He's been wrestling under the same name, gimmick, and mask for nearly 30 years, and he's basically the only Rey Mysterio that the vast majority of pro wrestling fans know. The man with that name and under the mask never changed in that entire time. His uncle (the original Rey Misterio, distinguished by being referred to as Rey Misterio Sr. and the current one wrestling as Rey Misterio Jr. early in his career) and cousin (who wrestles as El Hijo de Rey Misterio) also used the name, but are nowhere near as famous.

The wrestler you might be thinking of is Tiger Mask, who has had different wrestlers play different versions of the character over multiple decades.
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TopicSave That Royal (Round 17) RULE CHANGE
Calwings
09/04/20 5:13:39 PM
#26
Anak
Marth
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TopicRey Mysterio is getting his own animated series on Cartoon Network Latin America
Calwings
09/04/20 5:02:50 PM
#1
https://luchacentral.com/cartoon-network-latin-america-announces-original-production-agreement-with-rey-mysterio-along-with-viva-calavera/

In a surprise panel within the framework of Cartoon Network Day at the 2020 Pixelatl Festival, Cartoon Network Latin America announced that it has closed an agreement with the founders of Viva Calavera! to produce the animated project Rey Mysterio, whose protagonist will be the incomparable lucha libre legend.

Rey Mysterio will tell the story of one of the most iconic luchador, a figure admired by all and star of the ring, but he will also delve into a great secret: unimaginable forces threaten our world and he will be a fundamental part of that fight. When their number one fan discovers this secret, together they will immerse themselves in a world where the excitement and adrenaline of wrestling coexists with mystery, mythology, history, magic and supernatural beings.

In the surprise panel, made up of Jaime Jimnez Rin (Cartoon Network Content Director for Mexico and Colombia), the Hermanos Calavera (masked veterans of animation, known for their action and adventure work) and the star appearance of Rey Mysterio himself, this new project was announced that will soon disembark in Latin America.

We are very excited to finally be able to announce this project and eager to share the result with our fans and lucha libre fans, said Jaime Jimnez Rin. Working with Rey Mysterio and Viva Calavera! It has been a pleasure and we are sure that we have an incredible story to tell. There are many elements to highlight: Mexico as a central element when creating this project, the level of action, the characters and the risks that we have taken in order to make this story resonate and connect with many fans around the world. Booyaka!

After 35 years of career and multiple achievements, I was still missing something. I always wanted an animated series with the character of Rey Mysterio and when the Hermanos Calavera presented their idea to me, I was immediately captivated, said Rey Mysterio. Working with Cartoon Network has been incredible, I cant think of anyone better than this group to make this project a reality.

It is a privilege for us to work on this project with one of our idols, Rey Mysterio, and in conjunction with Cartoon Network, stated the Hermanos Calavera. Having the opportunity to tell this story in the context of lucha libre, with the action, epicity and emotion that we have always liked to see on screen is a dream come true. We hope that with this project we can bring a little Mexico, lucha libre and ourselves, to the whole world. Booyaka!


Sounds like Mucha Lucha meets Jackie Chan Adventures. If this ever gets an English release and isn't just in Spanish, I'll definitely give it a watch.
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TopicSave That Royal (Round 17) RULE CHANGE
Calwings
09/04/20 4:00:48 PM
#17
Estelle
Pecorine
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TopicSince #pokemonmastersex is trending, what pokemon master would you have sex with
Calwings
09/04/20 3:58:50 PM
#112
Did someone say pokemoms?

https://i.imgur.com/wj1fc3h.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6uFG6wZ.png
https://i.imgur.com/99BMPl4.png
https://i.imgur.com/W79KWJj.png
https://i.imgur.com/gpCWSKS.png
https://i.imgur.com/cwXEAh4.png
https://i.imgur.com/2OSKEiW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/hcTAuNv.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bzeKBAu.jpg

(had to leave the gen 6 mom and one of the gen 7 moms out because their pics had them fully turned around and bare butts are moddable here)
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TopicSave That Royal (Round 17) RULE CHANGE
Calwings
09/04/20 2:59:23 PM
#10
Eirika
Ephraim
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TopicSave That Royal (Round 16)
Calwings
09/04/20 1:01:49 PM
#22
Anak
Marth
Pecorine
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TopicSave That Royal (Round 16)
Calwings
09/04/20 11:50:18 AM
#11
Eirika
Ephraim
Estelle
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TopicI'm doing a Pokemon Crystal playthrough where I don't throw a single Pokeball
Calwings
09/04/20 1:47:40 AM
#59
Phantom_Nook posted...
I looked up if I could do a no catch run of White 2, but I don't think I can. According to Serebii's page, the first gift Pokemon is N's Zorua.

Yeah, the gen 5 games have very few gift Pokemon. In B2/W2, you only get your starter, N's Zorua, an Eevee, and a Deerling during the story. Thankfully, the gen 5 games also have very little HM usage (only Surf and Strength are actually required to beat B2/W2, all others are optional) so you can still complete the game with just those four if you either select Oshawott at the start or evolve Eevee into Vaporeon. However, I don't remember if you can get a Water Stone before the point where you first need Surf in B2/W2, so Vaporeon might not work.

Also, a "no catching" run is technically impossible in the original Black/White because the story forces you to catch the cover legendary to progress.
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TopicI'm doing a Pokemon Crystal playthrough where I don't throw a single Pokeball
Calwings
09/03/20 11:02:53 PM
#57
Update to keep the topic from purging: while I was training my team in Mt. Silver, I ran into a shiny Onix (2nd wild shiny of this run) and had to knock it out. Figures the game decides to give me good shiny luck while I'm doing a "no catching" run. Press F to pay respects.
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TopicSave That Royal (Round 15)
Calwings
09/03/20 9:50:57 PM
#29
Dimitri
Ganondorf
Yami Yugi
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TopicSave That Royal (Round 15)
Calwings
09/03/20 8:35:44 PM
#17
Anak
Marth
Pecorine
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TopicSave That Royal (Round 15)
Calwings
09/03/20 7:24:55 PM
#12
Eirika
Ephraim
Estelle
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TopicSave That Royal (Round 14)
Calwings
09/03/20 6:58:31 PM
#26
Bowser
Ganondorf
Yami Yugi
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TopicSave That Royal (Round 14)
Calwings
09/03/20 5:07:09 PM
#16
Anak
Marth
Pecorine
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