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That was a low tier retort Eddv. Please just say you disagree next time.

I thought it was a great match though, and much better than any of Eva Marie's efforts. Maybe just accept people have different tastes? I'll take a great character with pretty good ring skills over most anything else.

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Okay, let's not go crazy here. Maki Itoh is a million times better than Eva Marie ever was. She put on a hell of a match with Riho last night.

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Judging by her reception, I'm sure they're going to try to do whatever they can to bring her into AEW full-time.

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Steiner posted...

he was trying extremely hard though. like i've never heard anybody try so hard at commentary. but it made it all come off a little forced I think, especially a show like Elevation you kinda like the announcers being a little more relaxed than he was

See I thought he was entirely too relaxed. I would have liked him to have some excitement. He was just so lackadaisical about it all. Not that he was bored, but he just didn't have any energy. Tony would be yelling about a nearfall and then Big Show would just casually discuss the move. Like yeah, he was trying really hard, but I'd rather him be into the matches, especially on the show where we're supposed to be bringing a spotlight on this talent.

And concerning the Performance Center style, yeah. That's all probably why it feels so inefficient. From what I understand, they actively try to force people (like Conti actually) from trying anything unique. Which is weird because they let all of the successful indy guys do whatever the hell they want if they're at a certain level.

Like Albert is in charge and that dude actually understands what you need to do to stand out. He had a successful run in Japan before this. SDR was successful around the world and knows what you need to do to be successful. And Norman Smiley was huge in Mexico before WCW. It's just weird all of these people who know to be successful you need to do more than the static WWE style, but here we are.

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Still watching AEW Dark Elevation but I'll probably just pick and choose what to watch in the future.

Big Show is a little bit better on commentary as time goes on, but he isn't particularly interesting to listen to. I'd rather most anyone else in that role.

Also, if you want to see the failures of WWE Performance Center, look no further than Tay Conti. She has improved in less than a year with AEW more than any home grown Performance Center talent has in like 5 years. I know she was against Ashley Vox, who is great, but Conti always looks great every time she goes out there. I don't get how WWE's Performance Center is just so absolutely inefficient.

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One match down and uh, Big Show is not great at commentary. Can we get Veda Scott back or something?

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There's another huge Covid outbreak in NXT, big enough to change a lot of the planned show this week.

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The Block Island Sound just released on Netflix. 96% on Rotten Tomatoes. Just watched it and it was really, really god damn good. Just a totally gripping film.

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It seems I was fed a fake article.

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Shocked they actually granted Andrade his release. Figure it's to make Charlotte happy. But God damn, what another absolutely wasted golden talent. Hopefully he can be used somewhere else well.

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Appearing on TV to lose 90% of your matches and get put into a body cast while your crush emasculates you is not a push.

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This somehow ended on my timeline. Lmao "Guys, just reward WWE with more merch money! They'll surely give you what you want!" I been here since Zack Ryder don't tell me they're going to push someone if there's a bump in merch sales.

https://twitter.com/steviecapone/status/1370457745628012548?s=19

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Also, Andrade asked for his release.

Just another in a long line of awesome NXT talent they completely misused upon callup.

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So I guess AEW Dark Elevation is going to literally be more AEW Dark with majority signed talent vs. jobbers and a non-jobber match thrown in. Except with Big Show doing commentary.

I really don't get this choice, unless they're shortening AEW Dark. I miss old AEW Dark pre-pandemic where they actually had a ton of non-jobber matches. Like good for AEW giving these other guys a payday and exposure, but man. It gets tough to watch AEW Dark when you know every outcome of every match before it happens.

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Yeah, I'm done with this. You guys can keep at it with him if you want.

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Panthera posted...

I don't watch a ton of AEW (or wrestling period anymore really) but I've been following this story decently well. The problem is you just refuse to get that I don't think like you even when I spell it out. I don't care if the goofy comedy was only a small part of the whole. It existing at all is already a deal breaker. It completely kills my ability to get invested. This is a storyline that I need to see treated 100% seriously for it to add up because anything else just makes the whole thing feel absurd to me. There's a reason serious and dramatic stories usually don't have comedy built into their emotional high points, it might be able to work sometimes and it's nice that it did for you here, but for some of us it kills the mood.

Okay, then I'm sorry that heels being goofy briefly in order to make fun of the very serious idea of a man having a panic attack is a deal breaker for something you aren't even watching?

But you keep complaining that the storyline is goofy now, when it isn't, so I don't know why you think the crux of your argument has been that you personally don't like the thing. Because there's still plenty that's serious about this, and it never would have hit the emotional high point it did without the goofy comedy of Kingston and Callis making fun of Kingston like they did.

But like I said, I don't really care about if you like it or not. But presenting it like the storyline has been entirely goofy is just wrong.

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That said, I'm with Eddv that Kenny's character has been very hit or miss for me since he turned heel, but this was definitely him at his most effective. And I kind of hate that the Good Brothers are paired up with him too, and that the finish of the Death Match was shitty entirely because of their involvement. I also would've preferred they give us any match but an Explosive Death Match.

But I don't think Omega has been that catastrophic that the title needs to be ripped from him immediately. Most people seem to be liking his character well enough.

skullbone posted...

Yeah I've been agreeing with you the whole time so Idk why you're looking at me haha. I'm saying it's a GOOD heel move to laugh at a guy for having a genuine panic attack.

Sorry! I probably just misread your post.

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skullbone posted...

Yeah I mean I oversimplified what I was trying to say I know Eddie is saying he had a panic attack but it's still a heel laughing at a guy for a genuine reaction.

...It's a heel. Laughing at a guy. Because he had a panic attack. Because he thought he might die. When he knew he wouldn't the whole time. Bad people make fun of good people for having genuine emotion. I don't know what to tell you man.

Panthera posted...

You could've just said you're irrationally offended by people not thinking a show you like is great but here we are.

Bro, I don't care if you like the show or the segment. The only thing I'm "offended by" is that you have it in your head it was presented one way even though if you watched the show (or read the words I typed out for you) that it wasn't presented that way at all, and that you're trying to argue with people who actually watched it about what went on, even though you're willfully ignorant of what actually happened.

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Panthera posted...

This isn't something where you can afford to break the tone, if it's goofy comedy at all, it's all goofy comedy. We're talking about a deathmatch for the world title in a feud between your two top stars who have an 18 month old grudge where the top heel is bringing in his buddies from outside the company to invade and help him out. If this isn't being taken 100% seriously then what ever will be? Nothing will ever be as deserving as being treated seriously at this. It's the absolute last thing that should ever have any comedy involved.

You could've just said you didn't watch Dynamite man.

skullbone posted...

They went the 2nd option which now creates a problem that if it was a shitty bomb why is Eddie acting like it's a real bomb? He was faking and now the heel is going to make fun of him for it.

It's like giving someone a spicy pepper and then they start going crazy and asking for water/milk then being like "LOL GOTCHU that was a FAKE pepper you dumb idiot".

Eddie isn't acting like it's a real bomb. He THOUGHT it was a real bomb. And that's why he had a panic attack when the timer was down.

They are making fun of a man who thought he was going to die or get seriously hurt protecting his friend and had a panic attack over it, when it was really just a fake bomb. And if you can't see why that makes them hateable heels that need to get their asses beat, I don't know what to tell you.

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Did you even watch Dynamite, Panthera?

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I think you're very confused about what happened.

Mox and Kingston sold it as very serious, with Kingston saying he just locked up due to a panic attack.

Don Callis and Kenny Omega came out and made fun of the fans for not getting what they wanted, being extremely tongue and cheek on whether or not it was intentional. And then Kingston came out and they made fun of him protecting Moxley when nothing happened.

The whole thing wasn't goofy comedy. Just the bit where they were making fun of Kingston and belittling him for how he looked like an idiot out there.

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So Don and Kenny absolutely saved the explosion dud because they just relentlessly made fun of Kingston and Mox over it. They made it so we could feel bad that they were put in that position by those two.

Also it gave us "69 ME DON!" so it's all worth it in the end.

https://twitter.com/WWEREALONE/status/1369837782647070722?s=20

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Those were awful mic shots, yeah, but I'm a sucker for a great character.

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I'm trying so hard not to simp. :(

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Maniac64 posted...

Anyone know what was going on with the sound in the Lee Johnson/Ethan Page match? It was like playing a bunch of random music and stuff in the background, don't know if it was just the broadcast or actually happening in the arena.

TNT was playing basketball in the audio for some reason. It actually wasn't on AEW this time.

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They made up a separate pair of tag titles on Triple H's show a month after he said he didn't want anymore titles.

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Jakyl25 posted...

The inaugural NXT Womens Tag Team Champions were crowned tonight

And also the second NXT Womens Tag Team Champions

Triple H, literally last month: "I'm not a fan of having too many titles."

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Nevermind, Kenny Omega and Don Callis absolutely delivered on it and completely recovered it.

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Oh, and I guess in more relevant news, Moxley and Kingston did their best with the Revolution dud. I don't think anything was going to save it, but they at least explained Kingston had a panic attack (much better watching it from Kingston's mouth than it typed out), and then they riffed on it, going back and forth until Moxley settled on Impact being the ones who paid for the bomb, which is why it didn't go off.

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Man AEW is doing Maffew a lot of favors this week.

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NSFW response from Soulja Boy to Randy Orton

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TheRock1525 posted...

Because Miz is a whiner and probably wouldn't stop bugging Pearce/Shane/whoeverthefuck is in charge.

Real Answer: They didn't think of an answer.

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Oh, apparently the WWE Network will have no migration and no archive content either until supposedly Summerslam. And they will be excluding things as well.

Also,

https://twitter.com/PodVanDam/status/1369039075299237888?s=20

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The best Matt Hardy persona has returned in BTE.

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I felt really bad. Damn.

I thought at first it was a gag explosion and Callie and Omega would laugh about it and that they just wanted to troll the audience.

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Holy shit this cinematic match was absolutely amazing.

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Imagine WWE actually letting Miro go.

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If we're lucky, absolutely.

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Ben absolutely should not have been "rewarded" by living to the end of the series. Everything he did was selfish, and he was nothing but a horrible asshole, and he completely should have died at the end instead of being Hurley's number 2.

That's about the only complaint I'll let towards Ben though.

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I heard WWE is banning leg slaps.

I don't know why that's so hilarious to me.

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I mean, it's pretty much where my top 4 would land.

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GameStonk posted...

But that's the thing--the Man in Black is the Smoke Monster, in all its season 1-2 coolness

Yeah, and Man in Black is a million times less cool and loses so many points for being a deadly smoke monster and then going back in with all of the stupid island games like who gives a shit he wants to leave, he's a monster but only when he feels like it. Better not let him get out because he's evil, but he's got autonomy. He better not get his stupid cork unplugged oooOOOoooOOOooo. Now the smoke monster is really mortal again and gets shot by Kate.

Like seriously, I would have preferred the Smoke Monster just be some kind of overwrought science experiment gone wrong instead of "Heart of the Island" stuff. It just bogged down the season and I just could not care about him.

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I dunno, I thought the whole Man in Black thing was kind of stupid in general and I found it impossible to take that whole mess of things seriously, and I thought it made more sense when the smoke monster was just a terrible thing that shouldn't escape and not some almighty dude. The Man in Black will never be as cool as the Smoke Monster ever was.

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AEW at 934,000 for last night! I think it's safe to say when NXT moves, it's probably at 1 mill each week.

God bless Tully for bringing in the ratings.

https://twitter.com/bryanalvarez/status/1367579652022173696?s=19

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Tullyyyyyyyy Blanchard

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Cody & Red Velvet vs. Shaq & Jade Cargill was really good for what it was. lol at QT Marshall trying to get the match back on the rails.

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NBIceman posted...

I'm just mad VOW beat me to the "Dark was on Tuesdays first!" joke.

The comments are absolutely expected but still delivered. WWE fanboys are WILD.

https://twitter.com/voiceswrestling/status/1366841693497135112?s=20

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My prediction is AEW numbers improve more than NXT numbers do.

But this is good news. I'm glad it's finally happening.

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