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EventualDecline posted...

My point is that people only whine about the white variety, especially SJWs like you, because it is currently in fashion and politically correct to do so. Get it? And its hilarious that you said probably not good for the second example. Absolutely hilarious. Nice try, SJW.

No, hes not sheltered. He also is likely already aware of everything you typed. He just agrees with it, and his ideology, as an SJW, is to pretend that blacks arent capable of being racist, while saying that America is somehow constantly promoting white supremacy. Thats their ideology, thats what they believe. Even if they dont believe it, thats what theyre going to say. Its not going to end.

African history isn't taught in schools and African events are almost totally missing from the news, so I doubt anyone here could give the same level of analysis to African black supremacy that they could to Chinese Chinese supremacy or American White Supremacy. The Chinese government has people in concentration camps and is tryign to genocide non-Han Chinese people as we speak. American white supremacy damn near destroyed this country. I don't have nearly enough information about African black supremacy and whether its had any affects approaching either of those.

Thank you for the free pyschoanalysis but you did a pretty bad job of it. I'm calling out white supremacy because its the one I have to deal with in my context. Chinese supremacy isn't going to get me killed, while people cheer it on. I don't live in China, I have no contact with China, I have no impact on Chinese society. Same with Africa. I do live here though, and here, the problem is white supremacy, as it has been from 1619 to the present day.

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Keith_Valentine posted...

Keep blaming everyone but the criminals, as long as they're poc. Lol

Thanks, I love letting POC off the hook and absolving them of personal responsibility, purely because of their skin color. Absolutely everything is the fault of "the man" who I definitely know doesn't exist, but I like to blame everything on him so I can virtue signal.

Is that how I sound in your head?

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Dathrowed1 posted...

Yet this hasn't worked at all, you'll he back in 5 years saying the same thing

What is your defintion of systemic racism then? And what would you accept as proof of it? The information that's been posted in this topic certainly meets my definition. It shows stable racial disparaties that exist as a consequence of policies, practices, and the culture/purpose of institutions rather than because of specific racist interpersonal interactions or thoughts held by individuals.

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It was important to discuss it even if this topic is obvious bait because many people fully believe what he said. Many people believe institutional racism is a hallucination by overemotional black people addicted to victim hood who haven't taken a look at the cold hard facts. Or they believe institutional racism is fake news and hyperbole pushed by left wing media so they can divide the country for clicks and look woke.

It's important to prove all of that is conservative bs. Institutional racism is easily proven and is a basic fact of American life.

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Dathrowed1 posted...

If the reforms that take place put punishments and repercussions for police behaving in a certain way against anyone then where would race be needed? How about just holding them to a certain standard and if they fall short they'll be punished for it? Where would you need race in that? You think the racial angle will be used with George Floyd? Because unless there's hard evidence (like possibly Ahmad Arbery) it's going to fail

Because you can put policy in (and that's what likely will happen) that could solve the issue entirely. The race angle isn't going to work in court (that has to use facts over feelings) but a cop using excessive force and abusing power will have stronger legs.

Many of the policies that we use now cut against that ever even possibly happening though. It won't be solved without handling the racial aspect of it. Police brutality is not the only issue, it's just the most final one because it's the one that leads directly to death. There's still the issues of suspensions and arrests in schools, the War on Drugs which was animated and has been sustained by racism, higher rates of stops, arrests, prosecutions, convictions, higher sentences, more targeting for policing in general, infiltration of PDs by white supremacists, etc. Without addressing all of these racial issues, focusing on race neutral solutions like body cameras, use of force policies, etc wont have the intended effect. We've seen it and have been seeing it already. When cops feel sufficiently threatened by a brown person, all that training and supervsion goes out the window and then the system closes ranks to reinforce that behavior, from police unions, to police chiefs, to prosecutors, to judges, to juries.

The core problem is the oppositional nature of policing in which police are sent in to control "problem populations" and expect death at any second, and are thus ready to deal it out at the slightest hint of resistance, and expect to get away with it when people say "the victim was no angel."

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Dathrowed1 posted...

And here you are with a red herring again. I said police brutality is an issue for white people as it directly affects them. You can educate them on their ignorance

What's the red herring? I'm trying to engage with you honestly here. I agree people should be educated on their ignorance and I posted evidence of how profound the ignorance is. But I don't understand why that means we should ignore race in an issue that's been racially charged from its inception. There have been riots caused by police brutality and harassment since the early 20th century, it has literally always been a racial issue.

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Dathrowed1 posted...

Agreed, let's stick with that

It be easier and more direct to show that yes brutality directly affects white people instead of some trickle down effect. Showing images of police gunning down white people and getting away with it would be much easier.

It's not a trickle down effect, it's recognizing the primary intended victims are still the primary current victims and recognizing how that's bled through to how the institution acts towards everyone. Why does acknowleding the very obvious and central role of race in this issue bother you so much that you want to bury it?

Plus it's very much not black people who are unconcerned with police brutality as an issue in general. Whites are far more likely to feel that they have not been affected by police brutality or that police are doing a great job as they currently operate. It's a giant gaping chasm, to the point where people are seeing or experiencing different realities.

Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/06/03/10-things-we-know-about-race-and-policing-in-the-u-s/

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Dathrowed1 posted...

focusing on race is going to lose you people that simply would have stuck around if you stayed to reform. I mean when police kill unarmed white guys and get away with it what's your response?

That a system that was created to control and brutalize poor and brown people often does it to others as well, and that's also bad? And that if police can't get away with abusing even black people, then they definitely won't be able to get away with abusing white people? Hence, BLM?


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EventualDecline posted...

I dont know. What effect has Chinese supremacy had on China? What effect has black supremacy had on black countries in Africa? What effect has Israeli supremacy had in Palestine? Riddle me that, Batman.

Very bad, probably not good, very bad. Next question. Is your stance here that white supremacy is to be expected since they are the majority and so....it shouldn't be fixed or talked about or something? What's your point?


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This is just straight up not credible if you know the first thing about American history or the criminal justice system. By even trying to push such a narrative, you discredit yourself. It's on the level of posting an anti-vax "study"

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LightHawKnight posted...

Isn't he just saying we all have to work together?

No, he's saying what he actually said. That might have been what he meant, but he picked a non-sensical way to say it. Getting rid of white supremacy without white people's help would be unfortunate and may be impossible, but it does not lead to black supremacy and has nothing to do with it.

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What effect has black supremacy had on individuals or systems in this country? It has to be approaching zero. Now what effect has white supremacy had on these same subjects?

They're the same tho.

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Conservative and moderates seem to share the worldview that huge portions of the population or maybe humanity itself is wicked and can only be controlled through surveillance, violence, and incarceration.

They believe this is baked in because criminal/anti social behavior is caused by fundamental character flaws that are personal, cultural, or racial in character, they aren't caused by poverty or discrimination or being watched and controlled intensely. Or they believe maybe the reasons are caused by these outside factors, but that nothing can or should be done to change these conditions. They wanna just fix it on the back end by chucking the underclass in jail or shooting them.

That's what I'm seeing from the people in this topic who believe this will inexorably lead to a Mad Max/Purge style hellscape. The only way to deal with interpersonal or property crimes is to wait until it happens and then punish the evildoers harshly or surveil them and prevent them from commiting the crimes that they would of course inevitably commit.

There's no possibility of housing the homeless, educating the marginalized, treating the addicted, deescalating interpersonal conflicts, de-concentrating and eliminating poverty. No, all of these issues MUST be addressed by armed agents of the state or society will collapse.

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I've reported you to the cyberpolice. Enjoy your stay in the pokey, fiend.

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A peaceful protest is not one where there is an absence of violence. A peaceful protest can be a violent one to them anytime you don't obey their commands, lawful or unlawful. It's about your obedience and submission to their control, not your use of violence.

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This is a bad take. Stop having this bad take.

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This is one of the major things people need to understand. Tear gas, rubber bullets, bean bags, sound cannons are all "less than lethal", but that doesn't mean the public should accept their use at all. They are brutal weapons, 3 out of the 4 of which can cause death and 4 out of 4 can cause serious injury. And they are being constantly used on citizens in the streets at best and totally peaceful protestors at worst.

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I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black.

No, your worth is internal to you, it can't be defined by another person or your relationship to another person.

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She's a con artist that puts her blackness on sale to very fine people so they can use it to attack black people and the left while shielding themselves from criticism because they have a black person saying it.

It would be so easy to sell out like this, all you have to be willing to do is shut off your brain and sense of shame. Any black person would do. And if you call her out, you get accused of not allowing black people to think freely.

It would be ingenious if it wasn't so obvious. Very very few black people respect her and so it's mostly conservative white people sharing her videos of her echoing their own talking points back to themselves to convince themselves they're not racist since a black woman is saying the same things.

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Kolibri X posted...

All white people doing it, probably don't even live there. lol ok.

Why not just post your opinions and get banned rather than passive aggressively sniping like this?

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There is absolutely no slow down in sight. There's still a lot of basic demands that have yet to be met and police are making it worse for themselves every single day. Plus people are seeing that pushing works, so they will continue to push until something makes them stop people they get what they came for.

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Because it was one of the foundational stones in our society. It gave a source of free labor and social control and groups of people that the dominant group didn't have to feel empathy for and could lord over even if they had nothing else. That's a powerful motivator and you see its effects to the present day.

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I love seeing the near universal agreement of humanity that this dude and Chauvin are enemies.

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The chain of command

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They are a political legitimacy laundering group. They exist to give the stamp of the party to the party's chosen candidates or deny it to outsiders. It's much better to be a Southern white male, but standard Democrat than a left wing black outsider.

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N3xtG3nGam3r posted...

The washington post had an article saying trump had protesters beaten and gassed so he could go to his photo op--that was basically the headline.

When i read the article though, what it ACTUALLY says, is that there was a 7:00 curfew. At 7:01 police moved in and dispersed the crowd after they refused to leave, and began giving them trouble. After this, Trump went to the photo op.

So, idk whats actaully true, but WaPo literally proved their title was bullshit in their article lol. So, idk, this article title seems kind of misleading, and it also leaves out curfew time, and what time the police started doing this at (or TC purposely left it out).

I don't know why the WAPO said that. The crowd never gave them trouble and the attack was ordered well before curfew. I was watching live when it happened. Regardless, the President shouldn't be ordering the military to attack peaceful protesters.

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TC, you're not a good person.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

whos alt

I'm not an alt and I second his motion.

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Heavy_D_Forever posted...

Just proves that even when you participate in something like Blackout Tuesday for a good cause, it's still not enough for the hardcore radicals and they will still find a way to bitch at you. Some people will ALWAYS complain no matter what, so fuck em who cares.

You say this like it's some incredible exhausing and time consuming effort that people are being ungrateful for. It's putting a black filter on a profile. I'm sorry if people don't suck you off for ending racism for doing so and it's telling that you would use it as an excuse to ignore injustice. It's almost like you never cared at all.

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Jesus Christ, that shouldn't be enforceable.

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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

The virus lockdown was (and is still active in most cities) way more restrictive than curfews lol

That's simply not true. Why lie like this like we don't also live on this same planet? I could still walk around here in a city that had one of the strictest and longest lockdowns. I did it just two days ago, I walked around the city at midnight, with my mask off. I could still shop, eat outside, sit on the grass, jog, do whatever I wanted other than dine in at a restauraunt. Meanwhile, I couldn't step foot outside my apartment after 7pm without worrying about getting my head busted last night.

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Mark_DeRosa posted...

How many fucking times do I need to criticize chauvin? Ive already said its fucking wrong, and what his co workers like 100 times. Floyd didnt deserve that and it was a terrible that happened. You guys just want to go in circles.

Criticizing a murder caught on camera is the bare minimum. Ted Cruz criticized it too, am I supposed consider him an ally in the fight against police brutality as well? Criticizing the worst outliers while saying nothing about the system that leads 4 officers to be involved in a public murder and then not arrested until people start burning things won't get the job done.

Treating this like an individual issue of specific bad incidents committed by specific bad cops won't either. It's systemic. It's in the fundamental orientation of police in the US and police culture. The murder of Floyd is just one symptom of that disease. Diagnosing one symptom isn't treating the illness.


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Hmmm, someone you know being unfairly murdered for who they are. Does that make you kinda...angry? Do you feel like some sort of...what's the word...injustice took place? Aren't you glad there's no doubt the killer will be fried if identified? Imagine if you had that anger but were sure nothing would happen to the killer and believed the same could happen to your or your loved ones. Now stretch that out over a century.

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The difference is, if that person is identified and caught, their life is 10000% over. They will be rounded up with extreme prejudice and surely convicted. That would be the case with or without a video. No one will try to dig up info on how the officer got speeding tickets when he was 17 or injected marijuana once. All people ask is that the same energy that will go into condemining the driver goes into condeming the murderers and abusers of all citizens. But that exact simple request was denied for all of the 20th century and all of the 21st so far.

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That's attempted murder. I think a pretty small number are going to support that even if they hate cops.

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ColdOne666 posted...

It's not like the rioters and looters are any better. Hell they actually did burn down a church.

The church is still standing and he told the military to attack 100000 percent peaceful protesters so that he could take a picture in front of that church.

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Are you going to acknowledge that the people he "cleared out" TODAY were peacefully and legally protesting TODAY? Or are you gonna keep deepthroating those boots?

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Bossdog421 posted...

It was in effect as of your post, he went over to say a prayer and check out the damage to the church. Not going to happen with looneys everywhere.

But hey continue to keep in line with your sheep.

I've never called anyone a bootlicker before. This is bootlicking. You are are bootlicking.


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It doesn't just mean posts on social mediation. Anyone just doing that is doing less than the bare minimum. But it's better than total silenced and at least creates the impression that everyone wants real change.

Instead of being mad at people wanting shows of support for real change, why not show them up by going out there and marching or donating to causes or starting an organization?

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They're gonna try to character/career assassinate Baden and say that he's a celebrity coroner who just says what his clients want him to say. Especially since he was involved in the Epstein case and hosts an HBO Show. Here we go.

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Who did the independent autopsy? And how likely is it for two highly qualified experts to get different results? If the independent person was truly independent and highly qualified, and its unlikely that experts would disagree, this looks very bad for the original coroner.

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@darkprince45

https://twitter.com/sweeeetdee_/status/1267319103167107072?s=21

You think maybe actions like this have something to do with the negative perception of police?

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