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monkmith posted...

https://www.nber.org/digest/sep04/w10243.html

why yes, protests have negative effects too! how astute!

stonewall and suffrage have demonstrably resulted in positive change though.

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the protests are starting to bring about positive change. Minneapolis is talking about disbanding the police. Breonna Taylor's case has been reopened.

the NYPD is now working 80-hour weeks. they can't maintain this forever, and the protestors outnumber them.

I don't see these protests stopping any time soon.

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I wouldn't marry someone in the first place if I thought they would want to attend such a protest

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Irony posted...

Not in like 25 years

fair. under normal (i.e. non-pandemic) circumstances I walk past an elementary school... probably 10-15 times a week, and I see crossing guards pretty frequently

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ZT6 posted...

Who makes traffic stops to keep the roads safe? Is there a special group of non-police doing this? Then when the person doesn't want to pull over or pay a ticket then what?

have you never seen a crosswalk guard before?

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that's why you leave a note!

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people itt look extremely silly referring to Noname as "he"

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Balrog0 posted...

"and any other assets" is a very broad category that is inclusive of a lot more than estates

Most people like owning stuff like their homes and cars

"financial or otherwise" is also a very broad category

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chill out people

she's talking about the dismantling of capitalism, which will, of course, involve the seizure of estates from those who have them.

also notice that she said "financial or otherwise" -- time is also a resource

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I also had some very weird mental images before seeing that picture lol

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monkmith posted...

one with 430k population? give me some modern examples.

it's more accurate to say that the modern police force is an experiment

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monkmith posted...

that'll be a fun experiment to watch.

you think this is the first time there's been a city without a police department?

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ImAMarvel posted...

I thought the US police developed from street gangs that banded together to, well, police the streets from other, more violent street gangs?

I don't know much about that. I imagine the two are not mutually exclusive though. Franchesca Ramsey has a good video where she touches on this:

https://youtu.be/wIIt-gTHWOY

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ImAMarvel posted...

Examples?

mapp v ohio is one

basically it ruled that evidence found in violation of the 4th amendment can't be used in court. then it largely disintegrated over a few more cases

miranda v arizona is another. it has to do with the 5th amendment and self-incrimination. and now there are a bunch of exceptions to it

hell, the wickersham commission tried to lay out reform, but was extremely ineffective because it basically left implementation up to the police themselves

there's another major commission from the mid-60s that I'm less familiar with. I think it starts with a Z but I really don't feel like looking it up right now

all the history on this stuff is pretty dry, but it's available with some poking around

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L0Z posted...

Bring back a sample of covid19 to get a head start on vaccines.

so THAT'S how the virus originated!

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RadiantAdolin posted...

Yeah no. Defunding the police is an awful idea that will just replace our current problems with mountains of new ones.

yes, a fundamentally different system would have fundamentally different problems. how astute of you to recognize that. however, that is not an actual criticism of the idea itself

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ImAMarvel posted...

Nah, I think what we need really is mass reforms, along with purging the hell out of police departments nationwide.

you're incorrect. two big reasons why reform is useless:
1. it can be undone. reforms have happened before, and they have been undone before. if the entire system were scrapped and replaced from with something completely different, it would be much more difficult for that to happen.
2. the entire system has its origins in slave patrols (i.e. wealthy white people paying poor white people to keep black people from running away, turning them into enemies to prevent them from realizing their mutual interest). reform does not fundamentally change that. it's the equivalent of putting lipstick on a pig.

If your ass has a history of using force that's not necessary

this is part of what I'm talking about. you're still coming from the assumption force is necessary. giving people weapons and allowing them to beat up civilians is not making anyone safer.

Along with that, I'd throw in every idea that I've presented itt, plus positions should be given to people who score well on tests

this would not help one bit

essentially only hiring people of a certain intelligence instead of average-ass motherfuckers.

"intelligence" is a vague, unhelpful concept in this context. I'm not even entirely convinced that it exists, let alone the idea that it can be measured. certainly no test that we have now can do a good job of it

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that's why the solution is defunding the police and allocating those funds to programs that actually help people

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Bananana posted...

You admitted yourself that the system is corrupt. If you voluntarily choose to take part in and enforce a corrupt system, you are corrupt

while this is true, the central problem is not corruption -- it's the things police are tasked with doing

cops evict people from their homes. cops harass homeless people. cops actively prevent (or at least try to prevent) positive systemic change from happening. that's part of the terms of their employment: they have to enforce all laws, including laws that are unjust or cruel.

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what exactly is the "now is not the time" reaction?

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reform is useless. the whole system needs to be abolished.

what they need to do is defund the police and allocate those funds to programs that actually help marginalized communities and make people safer

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The_Freecs posted...

I dont think many people call it a sport.

you got defensive about someone claiming that it wasn't a sport. this suggests that you think it is a sport.

Its more like
modeling

sorta with you so far

but actually good

what

it shows us our limits as humans

in the sense that it's form over function taken to its logical conclusion lol

Regular modelling is extremely stupid and just about simps throwing money at woman that dont even care they exist.

that is... false

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The_Freecs posted...

so youre saying it doesnt take any skill or discipline. Ok bro.

it does take discipline. but that doesn't make it a sport. there isn't any sort of sporting event. it's just poses where they show off their body

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Wetterdew posted...

wow so jealous

IDK who the first guy is, but the second guy is like the opposite of a roid rager, a genuinely nice person.

When you see somebody with such an impressive body your first reaction was to go on the offense lol

bodybuilding is fucking stupid

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N3xtG3nGam3r posted...

Only a sith deals in absolutes...

In all seriousness though...seriously? Those are not the only two categories. This situation is very, VERY nuanced. Basically ALL of America stood up and said Floyd was murdered, and the police brutality has gone far enough. This is why protests spanned from one coast to the other, and everywhere in between.

Once people started rioting, and burning the police precinct down, most of America still lined up on mostly the same side. Some may have looked down on that particular action, but just about everyone understood, and nobody said much.

It wasnt until the riots stopped targeting government establishments like courthouses, precincts, etc., and began targeting small businesses, and places where people lived, and make their living, that Americans began to split on the issueand just because you oppose the idea of burning all of America to the ground, doesnt mean youre an establishment bootlicker, bending over for the government or the police. It just means theyve recognized people that dont deserve to be fucked over, are getting fucked over, and want that specific aspect of the movement to check itself, and stick with their original plans.

If the people rioting were just hitting heads with the police and the government, and left citizens and businesses out of it, this thing would still be moving full steam, with no stop in sight.

first: you zoomed in on one minor detail so much that you completely missed the point of my post

second: destruction of property (including buildings and businesses) is a demonstrably effective tactic for protest

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Phantom36 posted...

"If it doesn't conform with our indoctrinated way of thinking, it's a shit take."

the two positions here:
-pro-cop, the position that all major politicians and media want you to have
-pro-protestor, the position going against the established societal power structure

only one of those is indoctrinated.

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the portrayal of cops in media is a contributing factor (maybe even a major one) to positive public attitude towards them, and to their capabilities to avoid consequences for their actions.

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retail workers have a more dangerous job than cops. should they be armed like cops are? should they be given military-grade equipment to defend themselves while on the job?

let's see what people think.

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

At least they treat them like every other person I guess....

#Intersectionality

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they shouldn't be armed at all

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spudger posted...

better caliber of candidate with higher wages would help

I'm skeptical of this

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I thought "membrane" specifically referred to the type of keyboard that comes built in to laptop computers. is that not true?

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there are... certain things you can do to assist the protests that are actually easier to do from home than from the streets. get in touch with people in your community and ask what they are.

use Signal for texting.

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the solution is to abolish the institution of the police

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having been aligned with the US during the cold war

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I mean, they're pretty damn racist. but I don't know if they have more racism than the US. it's expressed somewhat differently and it's hard to quantify

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all food is ethnic

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J03can posted...

Yeah #blackouttuesday or no fucking hashtag.

instagram is merging results of #blackouttuesday and #blacklivesmatter

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Conflict posted...

It's also extremely pointless trying to figure out who actually cares and who doesn't. You'll never be able to find out or prove it, unless they admit it themselves for a dumb reason. Sometimes you just have to see the glass as half full

posting an all-black picture with the hashtag is not only doing nothing, it's actively detrimental to those who are doing something

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J03can posted...

That would mean they had to #blacklivesmatter on the post, which im not seeing... sooooo....

in other words, you haven't actually checked the hashtag

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the big reason Dooku was such a big threat is that he specialized in a lightsaber style that was specifically designed for lightsaber vs lightsaber combat. most jedi were trained (or at least most practiced) in a style focusing on defensive manoeuvers and deflecting blaster bolts. Mace Windu specialized in an entirely different, much more aggressive style that actually tapped into dark side emotions

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now when someone searches "#blacklivesmatter" on instagram all they get is a black screen

this is not only performative; it's actively harmful to people who would be using that for information

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Fam_Fam posted...

so if they did it more often and it was usual you'd be fine with it?

look up what "cruel and unusual punishment" means

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FL81 posted...

I wasn't directing that towards you specifically

in that case, learn how to read the room.

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it's always been that way. you're just realizing it now

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I realized the other day that Dressrosa could be read as an allegory for Israel, with the Don Quixote Family as zionists

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sure, the website and the mod team isn't necessarily pro-dem or pro-republican. but it is right-wing

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does the answer really matter?

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FL81 posted...

openly advocating for burning down businesses

learn what words mean. I haven't advocated for anything

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