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Kyuubi4269 posted...

If they have such a severe reaction, they require severe medicating so they can cope with reality.

Alternatively, you could stop rejecting very straightforward scientific conclusions about effective ways to help with this mental disorder. That might work better than relying on medication that doesn't exist.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

If you want me to treat them as perfectly normal then you have to let me not pander to them as I do with everyone else.

You address everyone else by their desired names and pronouns. What makes trans people any different?

Kyuubi4269 posted...

If you want me to pander to them and baby them, tell me it's a mental illness and I will accommodate their disability.

... Yes, gender dysphoria is a mental illness. There's some room for debate over whether it is mental or physical, given that the current best practice for treating it affects the body more so than the mind, but that distinction is largely academic.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

My job doesn't necessitate certain pronouns. I can use the correct pronoun in my job, thus the only restriction is imposed by law.

The law simply says (hypothetically) that you can't use the incorrect ones (the correct ones being the ones you are asked to use, because that's how names work). That leaves you with two options:

-Say nothing
-Say something else

The law does not remove the option of saying nothing, which means the law does not force you to say something else. If saying nothing is not an option due to other circumstances and you are therefore forced to say something else, it is those circumstances that are forcing you to say something else, not the law. It's very simple.
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Thermite's an easy recipe, but actually igniting it takes some work. Magnesium fuses are harder to come by than the thermite itself, though far from impossible.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

That is a compromise by the medical professional to stop them immediately chopping their nuts off.

It's really, really not.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

It is also good if the teacher doesn't call them by their preferred gender as there's definitely no guarantee anybody will post-mutilation.

https://www.childtrends.org/research-shows-the-risk-of-misgendering-transgender-youth

You're saying it's good to double their suicide rate. That's not good. You shouldn't think that's good.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

The circumstances are created by the government.

You're welcome to find me a law that requires you to talk to somebody, but I was referring more to professional interactions where your job doesn't allow you the option of not talking to them. In that case, you are compelled to talk to them not by the government, but by your job requirements.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Or just use the correct pronoun to avoid Arving.

Given that we're talking strictly about third-person pronouns (given that first- and second-person ones are not gendered), I don't think Arving is particularly relevant here. Speaking in third person, using actual names in place of pronouns is perfectly acceptable.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

That seems to cover hateful speech as a whole.

It really doesn't. Try thinking independently, instead of letting the law define your morality.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Their gender is determined by their anatomy, and seeing as I'm not a wild sexist, I don't believe men and women have different minds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_sex_differences

Different brains=different minds.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

It's also rarely useful to reference the mind of a person when it comes to identification as the mind isn't visibly apparent.

It's rarely useful to reference anything about a person that isn't visibly apparent? I take it you never actually talk to people?

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Are you seriously comparing pronoun use at school to psychological attacks in a prison? Grow up.

I'm guessing from this you aren't actually familiar with the Stanford Prison experiment. You need to go do some research and then try addressing this point again.
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zebatov posted...

Thats illegal in Canada Im pretty sure.

I don't think scammers really care about what's legal.
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Lokarin posted...

HornedLion posted...

-Sit back and wait to see if my deeds will be met with reciprocity.

He'll reciprocate all right... but not in the way you think.

*Insert porn music here*
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I mean, I'm sure there are walls somewhere in Colorado that are coming along nicely. That's totally what he meant.
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This isn't really anything new. These argument have been happening since long before Trump showed up. Trump just emboldened the crowd of people who cry about political correctness every time some new way of being polite and/or respectful to people emerges.
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Should've taken that left turn...
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The fact that duckbear seems to think that her brother not wanting to watch her porn is noteworthy says rather a lot about him >.>
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Put an extra 6 points into stealth.
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10 years was already a joke of a sentence. If she wants it shorter than that, then she should work to get out early for good behaviour, not go crying to a different judge.
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Noop_Noop posted...

Still i can't help but notice you're still dodging around the point like a scared little rabbit though.

What point? I addressed how you misread my post over three hours ago. Far as I can tell, you haven't made a point since then. You're welcome to prove me wrong, of course, but we all know how that always turns out.
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Fat people cause everyone. Everyone's mom has to get fat in order for them to be born.
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Noop_Noop posted...

Nah, but you did at kyuubi, as I said you would

I never said I was being considerate of him. He hasn't demonstrated any particular reading disabilities, after all.

Noop_Noop posted...

Or now do you think that saying "outlawing words and outlawing words are the same thing" is compassionate?

Who said anything about "compassionate"?
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But I didn't post one for you. Unless, of course, you can find a Wikipedia article stating that outlawing words and outlawing words are the same thing.
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Salty? I'd call it considerate.
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Noop_Noop posted...

Oh look, a 50 mile high wall of text.

Don't worry, only one line of it was for you. Should be within your reading capabilities.
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Yes, but that's not to say that a game can't be enjoyable if it tries to be poignant or thought-provoking instead. That mostly just applies to more story-heavy games, though. In anything with a significant amount of gameplay, that gameplay should be fun.
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supergamer19 posted...

A freak accident, to my understanding, is an accident where the outcome could not have been anticipated at all, and carelessness wasn't a factor.

So to use the above example, a freak accident would be more akin to climbing the ladder and having a bird crash into you, knocking you down.

Pretty much. The exact threshold for what sort of accident is reasonably predictable is subjective, of course, and it's important to be careful not to jump straight to calling something a freak accident until you've given it enough serious consideration to be certain that you couldn't have foreseen or prevent it, but that's the gist of it.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

adjl posted...

But they're optional!

In that I almost always optionally choose not to play the game in question at all, they sure are!

Not that publishers care, when you consider things like 50%+ of Take-Two and EA's annual income come from microtransactions at this point. They don't really give a shit that they've lost my $60 when they're getting $10,000 from someone else with poor impulse control.

Pretty much. My wallet vote isn't going to change much on the publisher end, but I do like what it's doing on the player end in that I'm not having my fun hamstrung by monetization schemes (for the most part).
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Noop_Noop posted...

youre right adjl, outlawing words and mandating speech are exactly the same thing.

That's not what I said. I said that outlawing words and outlawing words are exactly the same thing. Duh. Try to keep up, little one.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Their chosen pronoun is not always the most appropriate pronoun.

In which case, pronouns should not be used so as to avoid confusion. As I said.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

When it's law that hateful and discriminatory things are criminal; yes, that's exactly the case.

Hateful speech and criminal hate speech are two very distinct things. Same with discriminatory behaviour and criminal discrimination. I'm really not sure why you seem to think otherwise.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Calling him a he is recognising him as a human male, to refer to him as female suggests he doesn't follow human dimorphism and is dehumanising, or at the very least discriminatory.

Do you really think that recognizing a human's anatomical traits is more humanizing than recognizing that human's cognitive identity? Most would say that humans are defined by their minds, after all, much more so than any particular physical traits.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

It's entirely dependant on circumstance. If the teacher choses to refer to everybody by their student ID it could help separate the learning environment from a social one, reinforcing the mindset demanded from learning. They could refer to everybody by their GPA and class rank to drill a competitive environment to enhance engagement, it doesn't really matter.

Again, see the Stanford Prison experiment. What you're suggesting is a hideously, insanely horrible idea that no competent educator would ever consider a reasonable way to approach their job.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

The teacher may also not agree with using their chosen term as they don't consider it helpful for the student's well being,

For the most part, students that are transitioning or otherwise experimenting with a new gender identity are doing so because it's been suggested to them by a medical professional. Giving teachers free rein to supersede medical advice like that is generally a very bad precedent to set. In instances where the student is trying out a new identity without medical advice, the teacher's right to be concerned, but completely disregarding their request in front of their peers is not an effective way to act on that. Instead, the teacher should be talking privately with the student (or referring them to the school nurse, where applicable) to suggest that they seek therapeutic guidance before continuing.

In neither case is refusing to call a student by their preferred name appropriate conduct.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Remember when you said you were being consistent in insisting that speech was not compelled?

If you're in a context where not talking to the person is not an option, your speech is compelled by your circumstances, not by the government. Still consistent.
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Noop_Noop posted...

Good God you are dumb if you think that was logically consistent.

It's perfectly consistent. If you don't want to talk to somebody without threatening to kill them, don't talk to them at all. If you don't want to talk to somebody without using incorrect pronouns and/or names, don't talk to them at all. In either case, if you have to talk to them, suck it up and say something other than the things you can't say.

It's really very simple.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Your name is also "that prick" to people who don't know you.

No, that's just their choice of pronoun in the absence of knowing what my name actually is. My name is legally defined as something other than that.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Or not directed at the referenced person and speaking in terms that least confuse the audience as to the rest of their sentence.

If the use of the most appropriate pronoun for the situation may confuse the audience, then pronouns should not be used. If you're talking about two guys named Jim and Bob, "Bob took Jim's sandwich and ate it in front of him while he talked about his visit with his family" is a confusing sentence that should be clarified by using fewer pronouns. That doesn't mean "him" is not a suitable pronoun for Jim or Bob, just that the context demands more specificity. That's no less applicable here.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Regardless, it is not illegal to be rude so thank you for agreeing that it isn't inherently hateful/discriminatory.

You don't think something can be hateful or discriminatory unless it's illegal? Also, nice job leaving out the "dehumanizing" part.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Teachers should be clear and honest with their students, students should learn to put their pride aside when they are coming to learn. You won't die because your teacher doesn't agree with your opinion, and perhaps you'll learn to respect people who don't agree with you.

So you think that refusing to use a student's name is not only acceptable conduct for a teacher, it's a better learning environment than one in which the teacher does use their name?
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DPsx7 posted...

adjl posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Explain.

I don't think I really need to explain that the person elected to be in charge of the country's government has the ability to affect people. That's impossibly obvious. I'm going to have to ask you to explain how you think he doesn't.

Like I said, he can't just run out and do anything. There's a process. Surprised you haven't heard of this.

So the president has no power to affect people because that power is actually distributed throughout the rest of the government (much of which was appointed by said president)?
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

ForteEXE3850 posted...

Creates inconveniences in a full priced game.

Offers to let you pay more to not be inconvenienced.

This is basically the AAA microtransaction model in a nutshell. "Create unnecessary grind, offer to sell ways to bypass the grind to players for real money, profit."

But they're optional!
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The swamp was drained and replaced with a marsh.

Which, if you read into it way too much, actually works as a way-too-subtle erectile dysfunction joke, because the key difference between swamps and marshes is that marshes lack woody plants. And I didn't even plan that. Go me.
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Unsurprisingly, IBM, the company that operates the supercomputer that Google claims to have beaten, and a key quantum computer competitor, is disputing Googles claims. In a blog post published pre-emptively on Monday, the company said that the same task could be performed on a classical system in just 2.5 days, rather than the 10,000 years that Google is claiming.

That's... not much of a rebuttal. Sure, 2.5 days is significantly less than 10,000 years, but it's still three orders of magnitude (216,000 seconds) slower than Google's result.
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JonnyBoyFF posted...

Yeah, it's the whole game.

Presuming it's anything like the first one (I really should play the second >.>), this is the most plausible answer. Luigi's Mansion isn't exactly known for being a difficult game.
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DPsx7 posted...

Explain.

I don't think I really need to explain that the person elected to be in charge of the country's government has the ability to affect people. That's impossibly obvious. I'm going to have to ask you to explain how you think he doesn't.
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DPsx7 posted...

Not that much power, it's all divided for a reason.

So you don't believe the president has the power to affect people?
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DPsx7 posted...

He's a guy with a job and nothing more.

I mean, except for all the power associated with said job, power which can and does have profound, direct impacts on the lives of those objecting to him. Attempting to equivocate the president of the US to any other mook with a job has always been absurd, and I really have no idea why you've chosen that particular line of logic.

DPsx7 posted...

Oh he's a criminal now for some reason?

That reason being the commission of several crimes, yes.
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Noop_Noop posted...

the government can tell you what things you cant say, but does not get to tell you what things you MUST say.

So tell people they can't use the wrong pronouns. Logical consistency, ho!

Muscles posted...

Look it up yourself, clearly everyone else here is on the same page

You mean this page?
kind9 posted...

It was never about compelled speech. It simply added gender expression to protected classes so you can't discriminate(such as in job hiring) against people on that basis.

I'm not sure he's the one that's on the wrong page, dude.
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I will second trying to start Ursula's blade quest as soon as you can. I didn't get her until relatively late and didn't start her quest until even later, and it took bloody forever to finish. If you can have mercenaries working on it throughout the rest of the game, though, it'll be a lot less painful and she'll grow in power at a reasonable rate.

Destiny posted...

how the fuck is it raining inside this monsters stomach

Plants gotta grow somehow.
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Bugmeat posted...

While not trying to get grandma out was a very awful thing, I don't feel someone should be able to be charged with a crime for not going back into a burning building to save someone.

There's a lot of room for subjectivity there in terms of how reasonable it would be to expect them to get her out. Expecting them to charge through the flames and dive out of a third-story window with her wouldn't be reasonable. Expecting them to take an extra minute of the 10-15 they had to escape to help her down the stairs would be.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Pronouns are not names.

They're proxies for names.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Names are also not objective.

"My name is Andrew" is an objective fact. "I prefer to be called Andy" is also an objective fact (or at least it would be if I had such a preference). Were I to change my name to Bob, Jim, or Sally, "My name is Bob/Jim/Sally" would become an objective fact.

The practical significance of those facts is debatable, certainly, but it doesn't change the facts. It also doesn't change the fact that refusing to call somebody by name is just plain rude at best, and abusively dehumanizing at worst (see: the Stanford Prison experiment). None of that spectrum should be considered an acceptable way for a teacher to treat their students.
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Stop signs being covered by trees is indeed worth calling the city over, since they're responsible for making sure signage is visible.
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wwinterj25 posted...

I'm just finding it interesting Spaceman are now Spacewalkers.

"Spacewalker" refers specifically to somebody who is actually doing a space walk. "Spaceman," on the other hand, I don't think I've heard used regularly within my lifetime. It's virtually always been "astronaut."
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xjayguyx posted...

Trudeau is border line handicapped so what ever he does or thinks I believe the opposite is the right thing. So I'm going to accept that.

Trudeau breathes. You're not being very consistent about following that "logic."

zebatov posted...

I feel like... 25,000-something other examples of it occurred.

A number which you're basing on... absolutely nothing?

zebatov posted...

Deceased, non-citizen who had never received a voter card before this year receives a voter card.

Which, while it shouldn't happen, isn't likely to cause too much of an issue because you have to show ID that matches your voter card. It creates opportunities for people to use fake ID's to generate an extra vote or two, but in practice, that's a whole lot of effort for very little impact. Whatever issue caused voter cards to be sent to deceased people should absolutely be fixed, but I wouldn't worry too much about it making a difference.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

People hate him because he vehemently disagreed with legally enforcing use of ill-defined pronouns and generally compelled speech because apparently that means he's a racist/sexist/transphobic bigot.

If a student tells a teacher their name, and the teacher responds with "no your name is *something else*" and refuses to use the name they were given, should that teacher continue having that job? Because that's basically what Peterson is saying in regards to pronouns and whatnot.
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BlackScythe0 posted...

Mead posted...

BlackScythe0 posted...

Why would someone vape wtf

Its better than smoking at least

Nah, I think it's actually worse because people think it's better than smoking.

I also think it's worse because children are hiding these in their sleeves and vaping in school.

It's definitely better than smoking, but only because everything short of stabbing yourself in the lungs is better than smoking. It's not nearly as harmless as people like to think, though, which is a problem.
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zebatov posted...

He was never anti-immigration.

You yourself cited "ending mass immigration" as a core part of the PPC platform.

zebatov posted...

Many scientists also reject climate change, so theres that.

All of whom either are not climate scientists or have been paid by oil companies to reject it.
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TheWorstPoster posted...

The worst thing about this whole brownface thing is how transparently conservatives have tried to exploit the presumed outrage of the minorities it offended. You're not actually offended by it, you're just latching desperately on to anything you think you can use to discredit Trudeau. You're not fooling anyone, and it's kind of sad that you think you might be.
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xjayguyx posted...

adjl posted...

xjayguyx posted...

a useless carbon tax

People have won Nobel prizes for demonstrating that carbon taxes work. Have you won a Nobel prize for stating that they don't?

It's useless because all the money is going to pay off stupid spending. If it was actually used for things to cut down on carbon then it wouldn't be useless.

So no, you haven't won a Nobel prize for stating that they don't. In that case I'm going to accept the research of Nobel laureates over whatever it is you're talking about.
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faramir77 posted...

JTekashiro posted...

WhiskeyDisk posted...

Virtue signalling is more important than actual policy.

Who'dathink?

Is the other option a party that only released their platform days before the election (Conservatives)? Because if we are talking about actual policy, the Liberals had a clear head-and-shoulder lead over the next party. For the record, I didn't vote Liberal.

Beat me to it.

Anyone who even was paying attention saw that up until a week ago the Conservative platform was "carbon tax bad".

And even now their platform mostly amounts to "we're going to implement a couple of tax cuts that won't save you enough money to buy more than a loaf of bread unless you're at least upper-middle class," while conveniently saying nothing about what services will need to be cut to support such cuts.
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xjayguyx posted...

a useless carbon tax

People have won Nobel prizes for demonstrating that carbon taxes work. Have you won a Nobel prize for stating that they don't?
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Grendel posted...

Is she supporting Bernie without thinking he's going to win? Why would you pay off that much debt that quickly if you believe it's going to be cancelled in the next presidential term? If I'm someone who truly believes one of the progressive candidates is going to win, I'm lowering all of my payments to maintenance levels.

Wanting somebody to win=/=knowing for certain that they're going to win. 6 years of minimum payments would rack up an awful lot of interest. It'd be a rather bad idea to gamble that kind of money on something as hard to predict as a presidential election.
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I leave it in my pocket and don't use it at all until I stop driving. I don't really need it to be accessible.
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Sounds like he's got a pretty easy case if the judge ordered him to stop paying.
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Dynalo posted...

I'm convinced that if Ranked Ballot became a thing, the Liberals would never lose an election ever again. Anyone who voted conservative would have Liberals as their second, and most people who voted NDP would have liberals as their second.

And this is why the Liberals want a ranked ballot. Conservatives like FPTP because it means they don't need anything close to a majority vote to take power (conservatives generally being a minority in Canada), and NDP wants proportional representation because it's the most plausible way for them to end up with any power at all. I'm personally in favour of proportional representation for the sake of giving voices to more diverse viewpoints in parliament, but I can definitely see why the other parties don't like it.
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