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Oh are we actually making people claim today? That sounds better than ending day.

##Vote: Lopen

That's -2.

Let's hear your actual claim, oh mighty Duke of Deers
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~C~ FD
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Will we mass tomorrow?

Also you are questioning my crumbs, Lopen. What you don't seem to understand is that my first post came almost 90 minutes before I had even expected day to be up. I saw a notification, opened the topic, and threw a post together. I had effectively only seen the votals at that point. Also the phrasing..

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Also I would love to lynch Ulti, but I feel as though I must announce that it is for purely personal reasons. I really don't like him.

is a really damn awkward way to say that. "I feel as though I must announce"? If I wasn't trying to go that direction I would have just said "I would love to lunch Ulti because I do not like him". It's not a secret either or something I would feel the need to announce. And don't forget that day one was only three hours. By the time I was done playing beat saber the day was over -_-.

Does that guarantee I'm town? No, and there is no way that I can do that. But as far as crumbs go it was solid and the best I could do in that spot.
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~C~ FD
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Corrik is giving up, Scare isn't contributing anything, day is stagnating. Is anyone actually going to say anything in the next 24 hours?
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~C~ FD
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You're right, it doesn't make sense at all for scum to have a way to negate the influence of the untargetable SK.

:thinking:

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And maybe I'm being spiteful, but since I had to claim I think everyone else should too.

I also really hate the idea of giving scum Chris so much credit that he got TWO townies to blow smoke out their ass just so he could continue to completely control the pace of the days. But maybe, like Ben, Lea just got swept up in the energy of it all?
The gravy kill does make more sense from the perspective of trying to control the opinions of those left alive.

I still think BOTH see scum though, so I'm certainly not opposing Corrik's lynch.

It's got to be those two plus one of either Mzero, Hb or Igcd. I haven't been find of Mzero, but I have to try not to let the fact that he's been up my ass all game influence my read on him. And I've honestly barely even noticed the other two this game. I like that hb has been pulled more into the spotlight today and I think igcd could use the same treatment. I'll need to read some of their prior day stuff when I have the chance.

And my break is ending but I'll try to catch up again when I take my lunch, otherwise I'll be off work at 3 pst
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~C~ FD
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Lopen posted...

So FD to be clear you're thinking Lea and Corrik are both scum here?

Sorry, I was getting ready for bed. But in short, yes.
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~C~ FD
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I think Lopen is right. If sk got an ability for a town screw up it would confirm someone scum in the SKs eyes if someone did a late post and no extra ability was granted. But I suppose it is open to host interpretation.
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~C~ FD
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So you don't think Lea and Chris are connected at all by Lea's watcher bluff? At all?

The way I'm seeing it Chris came in hot this game. He was decisive and divisive and he very visibly drew a line in the sand with his aggressive approach to ending days as fast as possible.

Ben and Lea both went to bat for Chris at various points. Now we know Ben was town, but I'm having difficulty believing that Chris was sooo charismatic that he bamboozled two members of town to fall on his sword.

On the other side of the line we have corrik who had vocally opposed Chris and even saying

For the game, consider this a HARD counter claim.

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So the working theory for me is that he stacked both sides of the line. Lea on one side to make sure sultan did not survive to do so things and Corrik on the other to coast into they late game. And this isn't strictly related to the game but I know Chris has been busy being newly engaged and whatnot so I can imagine him desiring a game that moved quick and being content to pass his the torch to someone else to have a shot at end game.
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~C~ FD
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I am very flavor knowledgeable, yes. But my first post was just a quickie because I didn't realize there start time of the day was in EST. And so at that point I hadn't read any of SBells posts. Certainly not enough time to figure him out and figure out something that matches.

But it's why in my first post of day 2 when I summed up day 1 I say this:

Sbell does not run errands after all. There's something in the tone to his second post makes me trust him more, but it's hard to say what it is. I think he reminds me of myself in a way.

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And SBell's 2nd post:

And there you have it folks, Ulti taking the first blows. Who knows if Ulti will be able to stand this barrage of votes. It's sure going to be a great day one.

So, I skipped my errands and traffic was light.

Chris, you said 11 others. But 12 /5 is like 41%. I haven't done the hosting in a long time but isn't that off?

And I figure since apparently today is mass claim day I might as well claim fire's flavor too
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~C~ FD
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And that threat effectively does put me at -1 so sure, might as well.

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I am Juri, TOWN Vanilla. I'm lucky to have survived as one of the referees for the dark tournament. I probably should have just kept my day job, but now I can try to put this ordeal behind me.

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I hinted at this in my first post of day 1 by using the word "announce". Its why i trusted sbell even before sultan claimed an extra scan. Not that you would know, fire, but sbell spent much of day 1 doing what seemed like sports announcing of the events that were happening. That's because he (you) are clearly the other referee/announce of the tournament, Koto.


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Corrik7 posted...

The entire game is claiming today, you are just first.

It seems to me that it still makes sense to just lynch Lea today and we can mass tomorrow. But if today is mass day then I'll gladly partake. I don't have anything to hide.
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~C~ FD
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Well yeah, it stands to reason that you are at least single use BP. Could be town or scum. It would make sense for scum to have some way to mitigate the influence of SK.
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~C~ FD
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Lopen and Scare haven't posted yet and I'm not at -1. Claiming now seems dumb. I'd rather continue to marvel at Corrik's lack of active synapses.
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Corrik7 posted...

Why does FD assume I am town BP if he is town? And also saying I am scum.

The sk claims to have shot you.

You countered Chris' BP claim

No one claims to have protected you

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It's like you are deliberately not understanding anything.
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~C~ FD
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Corrik you are the densest mafia player.

Yes I wrote the post before the day started. But you are too dumb and illogical to understand anything.

If I got killed, I would not have posted it because I wouldn't be alive.

If you got killed I won't have posted it because you wouldn't be alive.

I was not likely to get killed because the likes of you and Mzero were pressuring me (again, while I was at work leaving into the end of day, like an ass). Why would scum target a mislynch instead of one of the two people sultan claims to have confirmed.

You were not likely to be killed for two reasons. Either you are scum and not going to kill yourself, or you actually are town BP and cannot be killed.

So tell me again how it took "scum knowledge" write such a post ahead of time. All it takes is an ounce of damn logic.
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MZero11 posted...

You think Corrik and Lea are scum together, and Corrik endangered the Ben lynch by going after you, which could have resulted in split (I voted for you before bed but forgot to unvote) and ended up getting Lea lynched instead.

Umm, yes? Do you know how numbers work? For a long time the leading lynch candidates only had 3 votes. Putting even just TWO votes on someone else could have changed everything. I think you overblowing the risks involved.
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~C~ FD
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Lea, yes. Scare? I think not.

I'm much more willing to believe that Chris and Corrik organized being on opposite sides. I can't see Blades day 1 play as anything other than town which fortunately for scare, who has been lackluster, means he is town.
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~C~ FD
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As baffling as it is that Ben was town, my biggest takeaway when I saw the results yesterday was that Corrik made a fucking awful push for me yesterday and I've completely reconsidered how confirmed he is. We know sultan claims to have shot him and no one has claimed the save, so he's probably at least single use BP. But does that make him 'Town'? The assumptions that were made about his assignment were based upon his counter claim of Chris, who, as I recall want not even scum BP.

The things corrik said against me yesterday were flimsy and grasping. He suggested it was a problem that I changed my mind about not voting until the arbitrary 3 AM time frame I set for myself by voting in the evening ahead of time before bed on day 3. I'm sorry but if someone replaces a bad opinion with a good one, then in my mind that's a good thing. Corrik suggested I've been "Doing nothing. Letting town eat itself by not giving anyone a good reason to look at you.". These were Lea's words about Scare, but he applied them to me which couldn't be further from the truth. I've been putting in as much effort as possible this game and unlike some people who refuse to read previous day's I've summarized and given my opinions on things only to be criticized for saying too much that nobody would bother to even read it.

It's bullshit, and even more bullshit is the timing involved. He votes for me shortly after I go to work (I clearly outlined my work schedule so you know this was deliberate) and makes numerous comments to try to sway others despite the fact that the day already had a clear focus and the fact that I wouldn't be around before the day ended! Yeah it was a potential train that didn't build up much steam, but it was slimy and opportunistic as fuck and with so few votes on the leading lynches it could have detailed the day entirely. And if I got lynched yesterday there's still a very reasonable chance that Ben gets lynched today anyways and it becomes a double whammy.

I may not be the best player, and I'll be the first to recognize and acknowledge that. Unless I have a strong town power it is incredibly unlike scum will waste a bullet on me. And maybe sometimes I lean a bit into that less-than-capable image because I like surviving longer, but what I lack in intuition I make up for in logic, and that play by corrik was not logical. It doesn't look like much because it didn't go anywhere, but with even one more vote suddenly the entire landscape of yesterday changes.

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With all that said I don't think Corrik is the right choice over Lea today, but I vehemently challenge the notion that he is 'confirmed' and he's someone I think everyone needs to consider so he doesn't get a free pass to a lylo situation where he could win it for scum.
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~C~ FD
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Giants back to .500 after a good outing from Bumgarner
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~C~ FD
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Deftlyn spotted, Corrik. I said I wouldn't vote before 36 hours and then voted at 27~ hours. Spooky!

I realized that the arbitrary time that I had selected was going to be 3AM for and that discussion had already begin to slow down do I changed my mind and cast a bit while I was still awake. I had a preference on the outcome of the day and I wanted my voice to count.
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~C~ FD
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Lopen posted...

I felt FD tried to get Chris lynched before Lea yesterday despite them both being scum based off not much. If Lea actually is a more valuable role than Chris it does not look good for FD.

I stand by my logic. Chris considers the lives of his scummates less important than his own, but he still understands resource management. If he had to put someone in an untenable position he's going to choose the least important role. And Chris want exactly a powerless BP was he? The only way I'll feel like I've misjudged it is if Lea flips assassin or something potentially relevant like that. But hey, hind sight and all that.
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~C~ FD
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Ben is at -2 btw.
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benjamin3740 posted...

And the two reasons why I actually did hammer him was because - Chris tricked me by invoking the phrase "it'll be fun". And I selfishly wanted day to end so I could have no distractions that night

You know you don't have to post the entire 48 hours right? It was THREE hours intoa FORTY EIGHT hour day. This is the kind of bullshit logic I can't stand and as a result of your 'fun' we lost an incalculable amount of information to look back on.

##Vote: Ben
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~C~ FD
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So our votes are split between Ben and Lea, meanwhile they are both on Scare rather than each other?

Assuming Lea and Ben will self preservation vote as needed it's important to consider they both effectively have 4 votes right now.
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Also, regarding this lists I requested earlier...

Hbthebattle posted...

Scum:
Lea, probably
Scare, I guess? His doctor claim being ignored doesn't sit super well with me now that multiple town power have died.

Town:
Lopen
Ben
Sbell/Bolt (This one is guaranteed, btw)

MZero11 posted...

Town
Lopen
IGCD
Gravy
Corrik

SCUM
FD
Ben

I liked Blade but Scare is kind of scummy so idk
Ditto SBell/bolt

Everyone else idk

Thank you both for responding.

I'm concerned that you both only listed 2 people you find scummy. More concerned with ruffling feathers than finding scum? HB in particular seems afraid to commit to a read. The one thing hb has right is the sbell slot, but I'm not just trusting sultans word but the obvious flavor sbell was dropping before he replaced. So it's unfortunate that he was essentially replaced by a goldfish.
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~C~ FD
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I think the logic is pretty strong for both Lea and Ben lynches.

I also wanted to point out the last thing Brohan said:

MysticBrohan posted...

chris -> ben -> lea -> win

Scum lost their roleblocker and still made a point to take out Brohan even with a claimed doctor. Maybe an assassin shot that was held until night 3. I'm not sure how much was simply watcher fear and how much was fear of Brohan's message, but they killed Red night 2 and he was one of the most vocal anti-Chris voices during day 2. Scum will continue to silence there people who are speaking the most sense because that can be more effective than night abilities.
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~C~ FD
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Ben is a guy, right?
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~C~ FD
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I'm curious if he even shows his face today or if he let's the Lea lynch happen and hopes we forget about him.
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~C~ FD
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Well rather than taking turns piling on, I'd like to hear from the likes of Mzero and HB, both of whom I feel like have just been melding into the background.

I'd like a scum/town list from each of them.
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~C~ FD
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Let's buy it from word press for a 5% mark up. It's still a steal and they get to feel like they got something.
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~C~ FD
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I have played mafia in some time, sorry

But in fairness I don't think I saw anyone else referring to you by anything other than name.
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~C~ FD
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We should absolutely not deter from The Plan , but we don't need to rush it. I want to hear from Ben today as well. I also think there is an argument to be made that if Lea is scum he's going to be the weakest one. He was the one Chris through to the wolves on day 2 to salvage his fake claim after all.
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~C~ FD
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Indeed. I would say there should be a hard cap in terms of a percentage that can be set on medication.

In lieu of that the Pharm companies get to say "how much are you willing to pay to not dieand charge accordingly".

You could cap the profits as a percentage and they would still be fabulously lucrative. No one is saying drugs should be sold for less than they cost to make.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Well then there should be footage to see if anyone entered his cell

Indeed. So even if there's no footage of him killing himself it could prove he wasn't interfered with.
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~C~ FD
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I got busy with laundry and yard work sheet I got home from church, but I'm still planning to spend some more time trying to learn about people who have been avoiding the spotlight. Also it's pretty ironic that Lea got on my day1 for saying i would be playing VR for a couple hours, calling it "preemptively excusing inactivity", when that's what he's been doing all day. Not that we needed a reason beside the watcher conter to think he's scum, but the hypocrisy is real.

With that said my schedule will be slightly better if the next day starts Monday rather than Tuesday so I guess I'm content to move things along.

##Vote: Chris

Someone can hammer now.
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~C~ FD
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Then say 'no'.

It's not difficult.
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fire_bolt posted...

Someone care to summarize for me? I'm not going to have time to read 3+ threads

No. 3 topics is literally nothing. Day 1 and 2 lasted a combined 10 hours.

If I wasn't confident in sbell already I would be annoyed at you. As it is, I expect you to do the bare minimum expected of a replacement and read something.
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I literally just finished saying scare hadn't given me any bad vibes and he does this.

I don't want the day to end early, but I also don't want to actively pursue any other lynches, that's just asking for trouble. Let's use this time to push the conversation on people who been announced the spotlight, but without losing our focus.
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MysticBrohan posted...

no guys chris lea and ben are all very obviously members of the mafia faction in this game of mafia can we lynch them please and thank you

I'm on board, but what's the rush? We've been suffering from a lack of daylight. Why do we have to end now?
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~C~ FD
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I completed a re read of blade/scare posts. I still feel really great about blade circa day 1 and really neutral (but not bad) about scare.

I'll go through Mzero next and then maybe sbell, though I'm pretty confident about sbell already.
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~C~ FD
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I can thing of one good mason to pair with kurama. But why would he be a cop?
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~C~ FD
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What is Ben's flavor? I know yyh pretty well and can't think of anything that would both be a cop and fit with kurama.
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Corrik7 posted...

So you are claiming Chris is up to 3 fake claims so far?

Lol. They aren't masons. Durr.

Thanks, Chris.
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benjamin3740 posted...

Also I have a guilty scan on Scare so there's that.

Also me and Chris are masons.

Will people listen now?

Chris, confirm? And did you bread crumb this at all because other than you following Chris d1 I'm not seeing the connection.
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Lopen posted...

Here's the thing. Two miscalculations were made to get to that point. The first was Chris expecting his gravy role claim to work. You considered his initial claim as stated would catch an untargetable SK, that's a little too convenient for me.

I see what you mean about the watcher claim seeming less suicidal in theory, but I still don't understand how scum gets from "someone was roleblocked" to "sultan needs to die today".

You would still prefer Lea over Chris today? Lea seems like he only got involved when things started to sour and to me that makes him more likely to be expendable and less likely to have a relevant action.
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I can kind of see how it makes sense to make a big play to take out an SK, but putting 2 lives on a single play seems like a steep price even for that. I also still don't understand how they would knowthat it would be worth it. At best they could have figured out that targeting sultan failed, but if they received a RB message how can they have assumed "untargetable SK" rather than "got stuck by a stay RB". When I hear hoof beats I think 'Horse', not 'Zebra'.

It's just so messy.
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Leanansidhe posted...

Yes. People claim scum when I do usually, like Red in the last game when I "scanned him guilty"

I wasn't in last game so I don't know anything about that. Why don't you give me a brief run down of what happened and why you think day 2 required your intervention.
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Lopen, I disagree with you so hard on blade. Scare hasn't done anything of note though, so on that we agree.
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... and while I was typing that Lea changed his story.

I'm not sure that I feel that changes anything.

Lea, is bluffing something you do often? And what do you usually expect to gain by it?
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Like I said yesterday, I liked Blade day 1. Scare hasn't said anything to make me reconsider that at this point.

Regarding Chris x Lea I've was getting pretty convinced by Lopen even before Brohan claimed, but now nothing else makes sense.

I've gone over Red's contributions to day 2 and the main points he was presenting were "damn you for ending the day quickly, Chris is bad, we should still Target sultan first, don't end day early". To that end, I think Chris is the better choice today. If there is an extra kill on scum I think it's more likely to be the person who made up an absurd claim rather than than the fake watcher who only seems to have stepped in to make sure Chris didn't get lynched between the two. I think if Chris was desperate enough to ask someone to step in for him it would probably be a vanilla.

So consider my preference to be Chris, but I'm not voting for ANYONE until we hit the 36 how mark. We need to have a proper length day, we've only been hampering and handicapping ourselves by limiting the amount of available information.
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greengravy294 posted...

Which means the Watch itself is legit.

Meaning either Chris got Sultan on actually literally nothing or he is scum.

If the watch was red/sultan then that means Chris is scum BP? I could see that. Otherwise Chris would have died from Sultan's shot.

There are a lot of lines and I'm have trouble keeping them all untangled. I think I might make a flow chart
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Mother fucking stop ending day early.

Red got put into the ground so I'm going to have to be the voice of reason in his stead.

We had a 4~ hour day and a 6~ hour day. That is goddamn ridiculous. People have barely had a chance to make their thoughts known and say... anything.

I have two goals today. My first is to thoroughly review day 2, and my second is to get a particularly strong sense of Red's opinions and push those forward. I don't see a good reason to target him so I have to believe he got silenced for a reason.

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Oh and crawl out of my ass, Mzero. You look like an idiot.
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