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Someone get the witch hunting torches and burn down whatever Bane_of_Despair saves

I'd do it myself but I don't remember what he actually saves

He liked Zidane right? Mission accomplished see ya next year.
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Well if you're doing the max difficulty stage you can clean out a box in 4-5 runs. Closer to 4 if you're running at least +6 petals. It's 200 AP to do that, rounding up.

A box gives you 25 gold embers and 25 silvers.

10 runs of the exp stage will give you 80 golds and like 10 silvers or so.

It's close to 3x as efficient for pure EXP but I would say the other stuff, particularly the QP, make the boxes way,better long run. Only one more day of boxes anyway so I'd keep farming those. Can always do half embers the remaining 6 days
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Good result. Terrible result narrowly (somewhat) avoided.
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Miz vs Truth is a more compelling feud than Miz vs Bryan by far
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Needs to be Tidus without spells to be interesting imo
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Part of me dreads the Arcane pull cause it has Terra DUPE and Zidane, and if luck serves Tidus as well will be a dupe. Some good stuff there but why couldn't it be preselect
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In theory it should be more true than ever now with the common draws possibly helping out with random puzzle pieces. At an expected rate of somewhere around one per week it should definitely make a difference over time even if there's a lot of garbage in there.

Related I guess we don't get a 33 draw for this fest? Is it later? Or was it ever thought we'd get one? Am I just misremembering things?
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TheRock1525 posted...

Btw apparently the Saudi's are offering $20 million if they make The Rock champion?

I wish this was true but with like Curt Hawkins

That would be so amazing
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I bet if you compared the total number of black WWE wrestlers to Anoa'i family WWE wrestlers Anoa'i family wouldn't be as far off the 60% mark as you'd expect.
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Kofi and R-Truth huh

Really
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When I voted it was XvsZero 3 MM2 2 The Field 0

Now XvsZero has received 1 vote since then. Sad stuff. At least the two beating it are top tier tracks (don't really get Spark Man I'll be honest)
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So what are we looking at there

Mabel & Mo?
D-Lo & Mark Henry?
Kofi & Big E
Kofi & Xavier
Xavier & Big E?
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Your offering of monkey blood is insufficient to drive my support of FFXIII beyond the 4th stringer status it already has.
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Depends if Vivi fans have more dignity than Link fans basically
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Aw man The One was unseated!
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

I think I really hate this article for many reasons. Mostly because it seems like they are kayfabing this and making light of this and treating Brie like a fierce warrior for this.

Like come on.

I honestly wouldn't mind that too much if they went all the way with it. Make lemonade, ya know?

Instead they phrase the thing like that, then feature a tweet where Brie apologizes for injuring her, getting the worst of both worlds.
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th3l3fty posted...

12th!

I'm torn

On the one hand, Vivi is actually a good FFIX character and knocking Zidane down as far as possible down the hierarchy is good

On the other, death to all FFIX.
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If Vivi can take #2 and punt Zidane down to #3 that would be pretty rad too.
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Armstrong was a fair deal below mercs Raiden.

I'm not saying Armstrong wasn't probably under upkeeped. I'm just saying it's misleading because mercs Raiden is stronger than boss fight Raiden pre dog distraction.
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Ah. Shame! Well those are my top 4 of the top 10 at least in any case. There were a few others I thought were pretty cool as we went but topic 1 purged so they've slipped my mind. Whoever wrote em probably knows which ones they were though cause they were the ones I talked about more.
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I'm just saying I understand why he's annoyed. Not necessarily saying he's right to be annoyed. There is of course some amount of time taken between lefty posting stats and the round's end where it becomes reasonable to start gabbing about em but yeah.
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I don't really think it's similar to marathon running. A marathon would be kinda like watching four speed runners running at the same time. Something like Golf you can watch one guy go through all the holes and appreciate the game if you really want to.

I mean I think watching golf and marathons are both the pits so neither one is really perfect.

It's more like watching American Ninja Warrior or American Gladiators or something. Those are sports, right? Maybe? I dunno.
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I think part of the fun in hosting is being able to post random things you think are important as the host after results, and adding your own flair to it. In that sense lefty's being stepped on in a lot of ways. It's kind of disrespectful to the host. He's not being unreasonable to be annoyed by it.

If GMUN is doing it it kinda loses a lot of the charm since he adds nothing to it. It's basically the bot version of stats being posted-- all stats no personality.
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I like the Sleepers team. My only real nitpick is Clayface. I don't think shapeshifter types make for interesting storytelling as protagonists particularly in a highly deception based team-- like I briefly considered Mystique for my trick question team and yeah I dunno I think they just make things too easy. Granted Loki can shapeshift but it's not really his gimmick as much as something he sometimes does-- I also think with that teamcomp he would generally be goaded into solving problems without abuse of shapeshifting due to his competitive peers because it is really kinda cheating. Also could see things Loki being involved with being able to just see through deception so direct as shapeshifting, whereas this is a more down to earth kinda group in terms of power scale where that would be less common.

That's not to say they don't have a place in stories but I think they generally are much better suited to villains. Have no such nitpick for the Mephisto team and love the concept so yeah good winner I think.

Definitely two solid teams at the top though. I think top 2 aside I was a bit more mixed on the top 10 but the top 2 would definitely be comics I'd be interested in. Out of Time and Geriatrics also jumped out at me as interesting.

Do you still have the link to the entries? I kinda wanna do a brief top 10 of my own at some point before this topic purges.
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I like an SVU episode here and there, and could see myself watching it week to week when it came out if I had the time and randomly came across it, but I couldn't imagine marathoning it. I'd get exhausted before getting through a season probably. Just don't feel there's a compelling enough overarching plot to it to really facilitate marathoning. But hey if you're into it more power to you.
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I thought the show turned to garbage around season 10 honestly. I remembered the Hybrid Smug episode in particular being the breaking point for me where it was like "okay is this show about being funny first or is it about trying to get up on a soap box and doing some random social commentary of the week." Don't think I stuck with it much longer than that. It's possible it had some random revivals of actual humor in the meantime but yeah that's how I felt about it.
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Also sorry if I came off as like I was trying to have an argument there. I was just trying to explain my position of why that team rubs me the wrong way. I felt more at ease discussing it since it was something I had a problem with conceptually vs something I felt needed a high degree of familiarity with the component characters (since I don't even know half the component characters in a lot of these high ranked teams)

It rubs me significantly less the wrong way now that you've unpacked it a bit, though, so there's that I guess.

No offense intended to JONA either of course. It's just one rando reader's opinion here.
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Sure. But in the end we're in the same spot, is my point, despite me "wasting draws" I can do all the D280s and the 4* Magicite, just like you. Neither one of us can do the 5* Magicite or D???.

In fact in some ways I did it more efficiently since I came into this fest with much more mythril than you.

Point is you can survive some wasted draws, be it due to drawing on "inefficient" relics or getting bad draws (keep in mind if I'd only spent 100 on the Agrias banner I would've went completely empty it was the third draw that came up big-- 100 mythril isn't really a reasonable stash to have to expect to get anything really). You just need to have some patience in clearing the 5*, but the relics will come.
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If you wanted an analog to sports I'd say speedrunning is sorta like golf or bowling. There's competition there even if it's not like, direct.
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Fighters > (Speedrunning) >> RTS > MOBA > rest are basically unwatchable.

Honestly MOBA is borderline unwatchable too but it has some hype moments at least.
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Unprotected chair shots are probably safer than Brie yes kicks

Look way the hell cooler too
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SSJSephirothGokuX123 posted...

I'm sick of this shit, I'm starting to feel like quitting since there's no point in going on if the game refuses to give me anything to help with the powercreep.

I remember being lectured on wasting draws on items that were "worthless" by you many times. Have managed to do fine despite blowing mythril on things like Agrias USB1.

If I can get by you'll be fine in time. You just might need to be patient on some things. YOU CAN DO IT MAN.
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Black Panther
Leonardo
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Problems were that she was

1. Kicking a bit too high to begin with.
2. Got excited, kicked a bit higher.

To be fair, I think someone better at selling could've probably prevented that. Like if Liv straightens up to make her kick lower on her chest I think she doesn't get kicked in the face there.

(No I'm not trying to apologize for Brie she's really bad just giving commentary on what I see)
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I guess what I'm not saying clearly here is that my problem with the team is less on this particular execution of the team and more on the idea that 8 distinctive detectives all being able to contribute something unique, in any given execution, just because with each thing one guy contributes you need the guy to be fully unique in your way to have them contribute otherwise it comes off as dumb luck that this dude came across this inspiration and this dude came across this one. For me, they need to be the best at it and it needs to be something that you couldn't fathom any of the other guys doing on their own.

Like you have, specifically, a member devoted to the team's "soul" and the teams "morality"-- keep in mind each of these characters are capable of having moral qualms where others may not, or being the encouragement where others may not. Is The Question literally the only guy on the team that isn't morally bankrupt? Is Elongated man literally the only guy on the team that is optimistic and encouraging? And does every case require morals and optimism at some point? I'm not saying they're not distinctive-- I'm saying it's impossible to be distinctive enough that you don't have some guys coming off as third wheels without some real hamfisted writing that shoves it down your throat, or freakin amazing writing that I haven't seen.

I think what it really boils down to is the fact that personality and "super power" in some senses with this group are linked. It gives you less wiggle room. Like if say, the X-Men was a comic about detectives working together, I would say Gambit and Wolverine would largely contribute similar things to an investigation (let's not get into whether either one would be a particularly adept detective to begin with) with their lone wolf type attitudes. Wolverine might literally smell a clue, and Gambit might be able to seduce a clue out of a witness or whatever, but ultimately, they're going to be more similar than not. In a comic that isn't about being detectives, the similarities in how their personalities approach an investigation matter less and they're more distinct characters in terms of what they're contributing to any individual conflict, because the conflict isn't always chiefly about solving some puzzle. Never mind the "one dude charges things up and makes them go boom and the other dude cuts things with the sharps and is impossible to kill" element.

I mean I guess it's possible that this can be done. You've convinced me to at least think about it. But I'm just very skeptical. If you had a comic series/arc to recommend that you felt came close to something similar to this kinda meshing I would be extremely interested to read it in any case.

Regardless, I appreciate your patience and attempts to explain why the team worked for you better either way-- like obviously you know more about the details of all 8 of the component characters and can more easily find distinctions between them, but this was more of a theoretical issue with 8 detectives contributing in a way I like in that kinda genre than anything.

As for right now I still kinda feel like you'd have a better team with like... Batman, Constantine, Rorschach, Question and Chimp, cutting the other 3. Which, admittedly, is probably more than you would've convinced me of coming in.
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What you're describing sounds less compelling as an actual honest to goodness team and more compelling as something akin to eddv's team where he stylized it as a buncha guys meeting up at the farplane or whatever sharing their stories, which iirc you said you would've docked points on eddv for had you interpreted it that way.

Not a knock though. Definitely see some merit in a story that's structured more like that. Where they're sorta doing their own thing and then it all clicks together.

I still think it's a lot better with more direct contrasts, though. Like, Batman not picking up on a clue because he didn't bother to investigate Gypsy which happened to be a clue doesn't have the same oomph as Batman not picking up on a clue because his mindset directly opposed the method or point of investigation-- like Batman wouldn't necessarily be opposed to investigating Gypsy, he just didn't bother to cause he didn't notice it was potentially important at the time, which is a subtle difference that means a lot to me. Which is why, as I said, I did quite like the idea of Batman and Constantine as a team-up, because there are large swaths of investigative methods and beliefs with zero overlap there, it's very easy.

It's just when you line up all 8, it becomes tougher and tougher to juggle the idea that only Detective 7 out of 8 could have got this clue, and only Detective 5 out of 8 could have got this clue, and that all 8 clues were necessary to solve the puzzle. It may not literally be Criminal Minds if written well, but if not written exceptionally well it can easily become the actions not words version of it, if you're not careful.
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How bout some goddamn dead of night rounds

These 'crazy round schedules' just seem like an excuse to put the round up whenever is convenient to you !!
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Wolverine
Batman
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th3l3fty posted...

don't see the point if other people are gonna post the interesting stuff instead

This is why Leon never released them to the public

Stats nerdz would take all the thunder
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CelesMyUserName posted...

yes it does

Magnificent. Now we just need to get Terra eliminated soon to knock her back below Celes and most of the damage of the weird elims this year will be undone.
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Okay. I will gladly save Noctis next round

And claim my portion of the credit for Zidane's head accordingly
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who do ya want next round pj
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Now that's good blood.
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NR4 Setzer
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3 way trade

The FFVII way

You know you guys want to
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Yuffie
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It didn't really.

But I don't really think Batman and Robin or Holmes and Watson are really similar because it's not a team dynamic there as much as master and apprentice. In a team setting of 8 detectives you're going to naturally have the top dog rise to being the head detective, making most of the rest feel obsolete most of the time unless you're really careful with accentuating the strengths of the less versatile and resourceful minds there. Robin solving a case before Batman is a cool moment because it's such a role reversal and really puts Robin over. If you get that feeling when 70% of the members do it feels more like the 70% are jobbers.

Like I'm not saying it's as simple as "Batman > you QED" but I don't think the load is going to be balanced between the detectives there without writing that comes off as sloppy, nor is it possible without stronger personality (direct opposites ala Scully vs Mulder, but along many different axes simultaneously per character) or skillset divides. Like I envision a comic with these guys playing out like some nonsense like Criminal Minds with brainstorming sessions where everyone is unnaturally finishing each other's sentences in an attempt to try and make everyone feel like they're helping. I think you can make a detective team work but I think it probably needs to be smaller for it to really tick. With like 8 guys it's too much of a balancing act. Too many cooks.

I respectfully still disagree with you. It's not really something I'll cede due to less experience with comic book characters either, just a fundamental difference in how we see what makes good teams (more specifically, of this type, I suppose) really.
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I'm not saying they should be considered a unit at this point. I'm saying still considering them one would explain a lot about NBIceman's disdain and why he said "but the Bellas!!" when Brie made a major botch.
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On the flip side you might think she's worse than she is because you've never mentally unpaired the two
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As someone who contributes to your "but the Bellas are good though!!" snark I have never defended Brie's ring work as being anything other than "probably not the worst on the roster"

Nikki is much better than Brie and has been for a long time
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