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MetalmindStats posted...

So I would guess neither of you have actually played Trails in the Sky, or else you wouldn't postulate that Estelle got a noticeable boost from her sex appeal.

Also, Tsunami, Allen corrected the second chance stats, and over 42% of the site actually picked Zelda to beat Snake.

Oh, the second chance stats were wrong? I know they seemed weird but this is the first I'm hearing of a correction.

*checks corrected stats*

WOW THAT IS EPIC. I had already calculated the number of second chance brackets, and it was an even number. Though when it gets right down to it, the number is also low enough that if it were an odd number, it would show up as 49.99%/50.01% anyway.

That's legitimate. That is a perfect 50-50 prediction for Crono-Bowser.
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Snake with 58%
Sephiroth with 55.5%

Zelda with 50.75%
Mario with 58%
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Falcon BUMP!
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igordebraga posted...

Yeah, I just searched "lose" and only got the previous topic, then I scrolled down and there was "why did they lost".

I'm making this my vote, just because.

For Mario-Sephiroth, that is.

Hbthebattle posted...

Even XXX cant beat X parasites.

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Sephiroth
Yoshi
Phoenix
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New topic is up.
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Safer_777 posted...

Sonic is a cheater confirmed. Or Tidus. Or both!

We caught vote stuffing at a 2:1 ratio for Tidus.

The Mana Sword posted...

I wonder how long peoples memories are in this contest. Maybe theres enough bitterness over Mega Man barely loosing against Pikachu that hes getting a bit of a bump in the runback.

Guess we can see if Snake manhandles Auron tomorrow too.

Isn't that a thing we'd expect him to do anyway? Looking at how Zelda actually had a worse prediction percentage in Second Chance than in initial brackets, it's clear that MGS is still very much beloved. Zelda's just boosted insanely; it wouldn't surprise me at all if Snake isn't as weak as last round made him look, and we've just still been underestimating Zelda.

DoctorJimmy133 posted...

transcience posted...

any thoughts on Alucard/Bowser? Im more convinced that the Kirby match is bs each passing day.

I don't think Kirby looked very impressive in retrospect. Guile was an unknown. Phoenix was SFF'd, which is easily possible since all his games debuted on DS or 3DS. Isaac is a character from a niche, neglected, super dead series and has no reason to be anything other than garbage these days.

Except that seems to be the exact opposite of what these results suggest. Estelle-Isaac was a classic "DAT TOP OPTION" match, right down to the seeding (they tend to be more common in 7-10 matches than 8-9s), and like so many of the DAT TOP OPTION matches of the past, the top option in question had boobs while the bottom option didn't. (Yes, I know, the matches were arranged left/right this contest. Changes nothing.) Or at least, it would've been if your assumption that Isaac and his series were nothing but garbage was correct. 64.63% suggests otherwise! Not that it should really matter, because 70-30 was a pretty hard barrier to clear in this contest. That's the power of SFF! And then Kirby broke 68% on Phoenix. Pretty impressive!
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Level 6:

Texas vs. Oklahoma OVER 83
Alabama vs. Georgia UNDER 58.5
Marshall @ Virginia Tech OVER 55.5
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Whoops, the usual rules spiel somehow disappeared when I was creating last week's topic. And that computer is being a little bitch again so I can't put it in this week's either!

Also sorry about not getting it up in time for the Friday games; I'm not used to having a job.

Level 1: Pick one game against the spread.

Level 2: Pick three over/unders; 2 out of three passes.

Level 3: Three-team teaser. Tease the lines six points in your favor, two wins and a push or three wins needed to pass.

Level 4: First! Pick a winless team to get their first win or an undefeated team to suffer their first loss. If you are predicting a favorite to win, they must also cover the spread (a push is sufficient). You may also select "none" if you think that every game between two winless or two undefeated teams will result in the favorite winning but failing to cover the spread and that no other teams will get their first win or suffer their first loss. Also, for this level, you may pick FCS teams to win against any Division I opponent, but in the case of FBS-FCS games, you must be taking the FCS team to win.

Level 5: Pleaser. Pick one team and move the line 7 points to your disadvantage.

Level 6: Triple points pleaser. Pick either three over/unders and move the lines on each 5 points to your disadvantage. 3 out of 3 needed to pass.

Level 7: High-Low. Pick a team to score over 60 points and a team to score under 10.

Level 7:
jcgamer107

Level 6:
KCF0107
Paratroopa1
TsunamiXXVIII
turbopuns2

Level 5:
ShatteredElysium
5tarscream

Level 4:

Level 3:
kevwaffles

Level 2:
Jakyl25

Level 1:
baubeta
Eddv
SmartMuffin

Marquee Games:
Big 12 Championship Game: #14 Texas (+8) vs. #5 Oklahoma (O/U 78)
SEC Championship Game: #1 Alabama (-13) vs. #4 Georgia (O/U 63.5)
Mountain West Championship Game: #25 Fresno State (PK) vs. #22 Boise State (O/U 52.5)
ACC Championship Game: #2 Clemson (-27.5) vs. Pittsburgh (O/U 53)
Big Ten Championship Game: #21 Northwestern (+14.5) vs. #6 Ohio State (O/U 62)
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KCF0107 posted...

I thought the topic title implied that we are done until bowl season

Nope
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Tonight
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swirIdude posted...

GameFAQs is no country for old men.

...Wait, which one is this even for? I love it; it's perfect.
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MAX on Mega Man/Bowser
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JJH777 posted...

I figured BotW would be popular on here but pushing Zelda over Snake is crazy. I think BotW has a serious chance of winning a games contest or at least being a top 5 game on the site.

It can and it probably will.

Because the next contest we get, Games or otherwise, will probably be Game of the 2010s in 2020.
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Rydia
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AxemRedRanger posted...

I think it was only the final 2 rounds of 2010.

You're right. My bad.

HeroicSpiderPig posted...

Is Yuna the strongest character to never face the Noble Nine? Outside of people like Geralt that were only this past contest.

...Maybe. Let's put it this way: I looked for alternative answers, and one of the strongest ones I could come up with has directly lost to Yuna before (Chun-Li, in 2006). The only one I could give as a viable alternative is The Boss.

She is not, however, the character with the most contest appearances to have never faced a Noble Niner. Her 7 appearances rank second on that list, trailing Tails who has been in 8 contests. This feat is made even more impressive by the fact that the two contests he was absent from were both contests in which part of the Noble Nine was removed from the main bracket!

He has faced nearly every notable midcarder, though. In fact, looking through all of his matches, he's hardly ever faced fodder, not even in fourways! Actually, you go back and look at the percentages in his early matches and he legitimately does look like he might've been a midcarder all along. He broke 45% on Alucard in 2002 and was up at 42.6% on Dante in 2004. Honestly, I'd consider 2010 and 2013 his two worst contests, which makes it all the more impressive that he finally broke through to Round 3 this year!

HaRRicH posted...

Oof, I'm not ready to compile that list of contenders. Speaking of FFX though, Jecht could enter this conversation.

Jecht's only been in one character battle though, too. Unless you want to count Rivalry Rumble, but that muddies the waters because Cloud and Sephiroth were the only Noble Niners paired with each other.
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squexa posted...

ZeldaTPLink posted...

squexa posted...

Wow 11.06% of brackets took Zelda > Snake normally but only 7.67% of second chance brackets took Zelda > Snake.

I guess people weren't impressed by what they saw?

I'm starting to doubt those numbers.

Yeah is it the same shenanigans where the 11.06% also includes Squall > Snake or something. This doesn't make any sense at all otherwise.

That's not how it worked. The shenanigans earlier was when they were showing numbers next to both names, the loser had all the brackets that picked wrong, regardless of whether their pick was in the match.

I wanted to discuss this also. Like, can you really picture someone watching what Zelda did to Squall and Aerith and the Boss, watching Big Boss and Ocelot disappoint relative to expectations (I'm not even counting Quiet in there; there's nothing to be gained from analyzing fodder vs. fodder matches), and saying "eh, maybe I gave Zelda too much credit; better switch to Snake.

The obvious answer is that Zelda's initial support was disproportionately concentrated among the minimum 1509 bracketmakers that didn't make a Second Chance Bracket, and that she didn't gain as many believers as we thought with that run because Snake is just that well respected now.

(Minimum based on the highly unlikely event that every Second Chance bracketmaker also made a main bracket.)
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transcience posted...

next

lets talk Tifa vs. Sephiroth

Nothing much to talk about there, sadly. We've already seen Tifa vs. Sephiroth three times before. She holds up better to SFF than Vincent does, but she's still no threat to win.

Lopen posted...

TsunamiXXVIII posted...

Sonic's best chance would've probably been in 2003

Hard to argue Sonic doesn't win in 2003 when Shadow got 45% that year. I know the Sonic proxy vote theory had been thrown around but I'm sure 5% of voters weren't doing that.

Oh yeah, good point. I completely blocked out how Shadow actually looked good in his debut, leading to it taking all the way until 2005 for Tidus to put up a result that was considered "bad". Then again, whenever I'm not actually looking at one of their pages, I also block out the fact that Tidus-Shadow was a 2004 match won by Tidus; I keep thinking that it was a match that Shadow won in 2003 in between his win over Wario and his loss to Mario! (Reality of course being that Mario-Shadow was a Round 2 match... when I stop to think about it, that makes more sense, but I do correctly remember Shadow beating Wario before losing to Mario and so my mind has to push the Mario match to Round 3 to reconcile it with the persistent belief that Shadow beat Tidus. That's how alien the idea of Tidus winning a close match is to me.)
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Godot
Phoenix
Bowser
Ganondorf
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Edgeworth
Amaterasu
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Ganondorf vs. Mega Man - tennisboy213
Alucard vs. Bowser - SuperNiceDog
Snake vs. Auron -

Link vs. Pikachu - imthestuntman
Cloud Strife vs. Crono - ctesjbuvf
Zelda vs. Sonic - TsunamiXXVIII
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FinaIFantasy posted...

TsunamiXXVIII posted...

FinaIFantasy posted...

TsunamiXXVIII posted...

You seriously think Seph is at the bottom? There's absolutely no evidence for that. He's still only lost one 1v1 against anyone other than Cloud or Link (Snake in 2010, probably the strongest Snake has ever been), and even in multiways, RallyDraven and CounterrallyMewtwo are the only non-Link characters to beat him in a poll that Cloud wasn't in. I can understand projecting him to have fallen behind Mario, maybe even Samus. But Crono, Mega Man, and Sonic? I don't know. (Snake isn't counted in this because Seph was already behind him last we knew, since Snake's last known value was a lot better than what he seems to be now.)

Crono is definitely above him.

As to the rest do I expect him to beat Pikachu, nope.
Would I expect him to get 53 on Auron without SFF. Not at all.

Maybe Im wrong and hell hang with or beat Mario: but Seph is absolute shit right now, and I wouldnt even be surprised if hes not top 20.

I cant imagine Sonic losing to Bowser or Yoshi. I could see Seph doing it right now.

How do you figure that? Were you not paying attention to his matches, or do you just not have respect for his opponents? The only one that looks remotely "bad" to me was only 70-30ing Wesker in a year that RE seemed to be down.

After that? Three solid (60%+) wins over varying degrees of midcarders. For reasons still unknown, fighting game characters seemed to be stronger than usual this year, and Ryu already had a reputation for consistently breaking 40% on Noble Niners from the early days of the contest, so his failure to do so against Sephiroth should be sign enough that Seph's still got it. (Full list of characters to break 60% on Ryu directly: Cloud 3 times (twice in fourways and once 1v1), Samus in one of those fourways with Cloud, Draven in the best of his five rounds, and now Sephiroth. That's it. No, he's never faced Link.)

Id love you to be right.

Seph is one of my favorite characters ever. And watching every match this contest has been depressing.

Id pay about a 1,000 dollars to watch him beat Mario somehow...

Unfortunately for you, I don't think that'll happen. I'm merely trying to refute this guy who's saying that Sephiroth has completely gone in the tank.

Sephiroth probably has weakened a little. Most characters do unless they consistently get new games. And Mario is fresh off some very well-received games.

Just know that if Mario beats Sephiroth for the first time in 7 tries, it's because he boosted, not because Sephiroth isn't elite anymore. Seph is still probably a top 5 character. Definitely still top 10. But Mario is probably Top 3 now. (I was going to say #2, but it's always dangerous to underestimate Cloud.)
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lordjers posted...

Mario Vs. Sonic should've been done in 2002.

Mario would've won then, too.

Sonic's best chance would've probably been in 2003, maybe 2004 as well. We've all seen that the hype of a new game is often more valuable than the game itself. Mario upset Cloud in 2002 on Sunshine's release date; once Sunshine turned out to be unpopular, it probably would've been Mario's most vulnerable time. But not too far after that, because you'd have to catch Sonic while his most recent game (outside of the Advance games) was Adventure 2. Once Heroes came out, the window would've closed, and once Sonic '06 happened, it would be a long time before Sonic would be challenging anyone in the Noble Nine.

That's the true irony of that "hype > released games". Sonic's best contest was in 2006, the same year as his most hated game--but that game didn't come out until the holiday season, once the contest was over. It very well may have been cause for his strength in the '06 contest. Remember, we call it "Sonic '06" because the game's actual name is literally just "Sonic the Hedgehog". It should've been his return to greatness, and instead it was his biggest disaster.
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FinaIFantasy posted...

TsunamiXXVIII posted...

You seriously think Seph is at the bottom? There's absolutely no evidence for that. He's still only lost one 1v1 against anyone other than Cloud or Link (Snake in 2010, probably the strongest Snake has ever been), and even in multiways, RallyDraven and CounterrallyMewtwo are the only non-Link characters to beat him in a poll that Cloud wasn't in. I can understand projecting him to have fallen behind Mario, maybe even Samus. But Crono, Mega Man, and Sonic? I don't know. (Snake isn't counted in this because Seph was already behind him last we knew, since Snake's last known value was a lot better than what he seems to be now.)

Crono is definitely above him.

As to the rest do I expect him to beat Pikachu, nope.
Would I expect him to get 53 on Auron without SFF. Not at all.

Maybe Im wrong and hell hang with or beat Mario: but Seph is absolute shit right now, and I wouldnt even be surprised if hes not top 20.

I cant imagine Sonic losing to Bowser or Yoshi. I could see Seph doing it right now.

How do you figure that? Were you not paying attention to his matches, or do you just not have respect for his opponents? The only one that looks remotely "bad" to me was only 70-30ing Wesker in a year that RE seemed to be down.

After that? Three solid (60%+) wins over varying degrees of midcarders. For reasons still unknown, fighting game characters seemed to be stronger than usual this year, and Ryu already had a reputation for consistently breaking 40% on Noble Niners from the early days of the contest, so his failure to do so against Sephiroth should be sign enough that Seph's still got it. (Full list of characters to break 60% on Ryu directly: Cloud 3 times (twice in fourways and once 1v1), Samus in one of those fourways with Cloud, Draven in the best of his five rounds, and now Sephiroth. That's it. No, he's never faced Link.)
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You seriously think Seph is at the bottom? There's absolutely no evidence for that. He's still only lost one 1v1 against anyone other than Cloud or Link (Snake in 2010, probably the strongest Snake has ever been), and even in multiways, RallyDraven and CounterrallyMewtwo are the only non-Link characters to beat him in a poll that Cloud wasn't in. I can understand projecting him to have fallen behind Mario, maybe even Samus. But Crono, Mega Man, and Sonic? I don't know. (Snake isn't counted in this because Seph was already behind him last we knew, since Snake's last known value was a lot better than what he seems to be now.)
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KamikazePotato posted...

I think Mario would SFF Sonic into the dirt, personally.

I wouldn't say "into the dirt". Mario vs. Sonic was one of the great rivalries of the early nineties. Two gaming icons whose peaks were relatively close to each other.

Mario would win, though. He's both more nostalgic (80s vs. 90s) and more current (stayed strong in the late 00s and throughout the 10s while Sonic's new games were largely panned until very recently.)
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Underleveled posted...

TsunamiXXVIII posted...

ctesjbuvf posted...

The Noble Nine was more about being 9 dominant forces in every contest and less about breaking the chain. The chain didn't happen until 2006 when Snake and Sonic beat Mega Man and Crono respectively.

Mostly due to the 2002 field having many obscure characters and many snubs, characters outside the NN that has appeared in every contest is only 7 (Squall, Tidus, Ryu, Kirby, Alucard, Dante and Gordon).

Yeah. I feel like Sora probably would've been in that group as well had the first contest started just a few months later; KH was already out in Japan at the time, but nowhere else, and Sora hasn't missed a single Character Battle since then or even come close (1-seed this year and in 2010; 2-seed in 2013 when the 1-seeds were automatically reserved for the Noble Nine.)

Also a 1-seed in 2006 over Mega Man.

Ah, then too? And 2007-8 didn't have seeds, per se, so the last time he got anything other than the highest seed possible was...2005, in which he was a 2-seed (in a year where there were only 8 characters to a division no less.)

No wonder the casuals always overestimate him. Dude is an absolute beast in the nomination phase.
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Well, the Noble Nine are still pretty strong. Though I wouldn't be too surprised if Pikachu managed to hold his spot via beating Crono rather than by losing the rematch with Mega. Crono was the one Pikachu got his spot from in the first place, though it comes with an asterisk in that it was a threeway with Magus.

And if you assume that Mega's loss to Pikachu alone was foreshadowed by him getting under 50% against Mewtwo/Pikachu when the two Pokmon were closer to each other than to Mega (and Mewtwo actually won that one, not Pikachu), you certainly have to think that Pikachu getting under 50% against Crono/Magus with Crono far closer to Pikachu than to Magus means that Pikachu should lose to Crono alone! (Full disclosure: Back in 2013, I believed that Pikachu could beat Crono "cleanly". Now? ...I still believe that in 2013, Pikachu could've beaten Crono "cleanly". But even though Pikachu looks even stronger now than he did then, Crono no longer looks like the weak link of the Noble Nine. I wouldn't be surprised if he'd returned to the middle third, even. Snake looks to have returned to his pre-2006 strength, and of course Mega Man seems like the clear weakest link now. It all comes down to whether you think Crono would be able to avenge his 2006 loss to Sonic.)
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ctesjbuvf posted...

The Noble Nine was more about being 9 dominant forces in every contest and less about breaking the chain. The chain didn't happen until 2006 when Snake and Sonic beat Mega Man and Crono respectively.

Mostly due to the 2002 field having many obscure characters and many snubs, characters outside the NN that has appeared in every contest is only 7 (Squall, Tidus, Ryu, Kirby, Alucard, Dante and Gordon).

Yeah. I feel like Sora probably would've been in that group as well had the first contest started just a few months later; KH was already out in Japan at the time, but nowhere else, and Sora hasn't missed a single Character Battle since then or even come close (1-seed this year and in 2010; 2-seed in 2013 when the 1-seeds were automatically reserved for the Noble Nine.)
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MetalmindStats posted...

GTM posted...

If a team has an undefeated streak, and then they suddenly lose, they don't lose their team name.

They're still the Noble Nine. They're just a list of nine strong characters who used to have an undefeated streak.

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MabinogiFan posted...

Then what was the point of this contest? We spend weeks voting for characters only for someone who wasn't even in the contest until the very end to win? Sounds anticlimactic to me.

This is hardly new. As early as the fourth character battle, back in 2005, the top characters were removed from the main bracket and placed in a "Tournament of Champions". It's not exactly the same because that contest crowned a champion who then advanced to be the fourth character in that bracket while this one crowned eight division champions, but I'm fine with this result.

Besides, another Tournament of Champions would be downright comical. We've seen a past champion get utterly blown out. (We actually do have the right number of champions to do it, though. Even though Link won in the end in 2005 and 2006, both years had all past champions removed from the main bracket to guarantee a new champion, and since then we've had two upset winners, 2007 and 2013. So assuming that a past champion, most likely Link, wins again this year, we'd have 7 past champions and could have a three-round ToC with the new champion from CBXI.)
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Lopen posted...

See that's not like, off on an island. You could also believe Vincent > Aeris by some amount. Contest history would certainly suggest it. You can't go TOO high as Sub-Zero and Magus anchor it to some ectent, but yeah I dunno.

I think a lot of people are writing Sonic off just because he's historically been the NN whipping boy, but Sonic probably isn't the weakest NNer this year based on previous rounds

Oh, historically Vincent has been stronger than Aerith--he was possibly the #3 FFVII character, #4 at worst (Tifa has been just as impressive). But now? I'm not sure. Vincent didn't look great this year.
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squexa posted...

OFool posted...

So this looking like it will happen to the Lineal 9

Samus
Zelda > Snake
Sephiroth > Vincent > Crono
Mega Man > Red > Squall > Missingno. > Crono > L-Block > Sonic
Crono > Bowser > Kirby > Big Boss > Luigi > Weighted Companion Cube > Mega Man
Tifa Lockheart > Mewtwo > Sonic > Kirby > Sephiroth
Pikachu > Squirtle > Cloud
Link > Ganondorf > Vivi > Mario
Amaterasu > Draven > Link

Samus may become the only one to never lose their spot.

Ugh Zelda/Snake is still a toss-up, although Mario will probably take the spot from whoever emerges from the Zelda/Snake/Sonic pack down the line.

No, Mario will get a spot back by beating Sephiroth. Then Sephiroth will get a new spot by beating Tifa in Losers' (since she won't lose hers by losing to Samus).

The winner of the Zelda/Sonic/Snake pack should still hold a spot.

Right now, the projected Lineal Nine at the end of this contest is Link, Cloud, Sephiroth, Samus, Mario, Crono, Mega Man, Sonic/Snake/Zelda, and Amaterasu.

If Mega Man wins the rematch with Pikachu, Pikachu would then be projected to hold a spot at contest's end instead of Mega Man. Conversely, if Pikachu upsets Crono in Losers' as well, Pikachu and Mega Man would both hold spots and Crono would not. (My projections assume that Cloud will pick up a spot from Crono and that Crono will regain a spot by beating the winner of the Pikachu-Mega Man rematch.)
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... Eh, I'll wait for one of the matches stemming from today's matches. Kind of want to do Sonic's next match, regardless of who comes out of that Snake/Zelda battle.
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Thanks! It's my first #1 of any kind, so being so close to perfect makes it that much better!
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Yes. Board 8 loves its VNs. Zero Escape (the name of the series of which 999 is the first game), Danganronpa, and Ace Attorney are all insanely popular franchises here.
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HaRRicH posted...

Oh hey, way to get in there Tsunami! I'll continue in my direction to cover the different formats.

Yeah, I just smashed all the head-to-heads together.

It should be noted, however, that the final three rounds of 2010 were 24-hour matches as well. So that's 3-0 for Link, 2-1 for Cloud, 1-1 for Snake, and 0-1 for Sephiroth, Sonic, Mario, and Samus. (Mega Man and Crono had already been eliminated by then, the former by Mario; Mario was 0-1 rather than 1-1 because his quarterfinal opponent wasn't from the NN.)
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I like how Snake's rise from bottom of the barrel to top possible #2 (though he's not there anymore) means he's both lost to and beaten 7 of the other 8 before. Only Link had never lost to Snake and only Sonic has never beaten him.

Also, Mario-Sonic, the match we've all been clambering for, is one of only two that we've never seen.
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MAX parlay on Mario/Samus
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Yuri_LowelI posted...

Team Rocket Elite posted...

Yuri_LowelI posted...

IS the Losers Round two matches per day?

Yes. For the first four rounds.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/77205898

I'm a bit confused

It says This round finishes Friday..but th Losers round starts Saturday...does that Mean after toorrow match endinf on Friday..we don't get another poll until the next day?

Those times are confusing because This Current round started on Monday...not Tuesday PST.

When it says Tuesday does that mean Tuesday GMT European time? Because its not Pacific or Eastern Time.

Yeah, they're using UTC (or GMT if you prefer). It starts at midnight in that time zone.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

I dont care one bit about the LOL x stats. Solid Snake cant beat Mario. Dont @ me.

Snake now can't. Snake in the beginning of the decade? Yeah, probably. He beat Sephiroth in 2010, and Seph was always ahead of Mario (though this year might be Mario's chance)
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Here you go.

Rivalry Rumble not included, but 2006 Battle Royale included which means a highly padded record for Link.

Link:

7-0 vs. Sephiroth
7-0 vs. Mario
7-0 vs. Snake
4-0 vs. Samus
4-0 vs. Crono
1-0 vs. Mega Man
1-0 vs. Sonic
11-1 vs. Cloud

Overall: 42-1

Cloud:

7-0 vs. Sephiroth
5-0 vs. Samus
1-0 vs. Sonic
1-0 vs. Mega Man
1-0 vs. Crono
7-2 vs. Snake
2-1 vs. Mario
1-11 vs. Link

Overall: 25-14

Sephiroth:

6-0 vs. Mario
2-0 vs. Mega Man
2-0 vs. Sonic
2-1 vs. Samus
0-0 vs. Crono
2-3 vs. Snake
0-7 vs. Link
0-7 vs. Cloud

Overall: 14-18

Snake:

2-0 vs. Sonic
2-1 vs. Mario
2-1 vs. Samus
3-2 vs. Sephiroth
2-2 vs. Mega Man
1-1 vs. Crono
2-7 vs. Cloud
0-7 vs. Link

Overall: 14-21

Mario:

3-0 vs. Samus
1-0 vs. Mega Man
4-2 vs. Crono
0-0 vs. Sonic
1-2 vs. Cloud
1-2 vs. Snake
0-6 vs. Sephiroth
0-7 vs. Link

Overall: 10-19

Samus:

3-0 vs. Mega Man
2-0 vs. Sonic
1-1 vs. Crono
1-2 vs. Snake
1-2 vs. Sephiroth
0-3 vs. Mario
0-4 vs. Link
0-5 vs. Cloud

Overall: 8-17

Crono:

1-0 vs. Mega Man
1-1 vs. Samus
1-1 vs. Snake
0-0 vs. Sephiroth
2-4 vs. Mario
0-1 vs. Sonic
0-1 vs. Cloud
0-4 vs. Link

Overall: 5-12

Mega Man:

1-0 vs. Sonic
2-2 vs. Snake
0-1 vs. Link
0-1 vs. Crono
0-1 vs. Cloud
0-1 vs. Mario
0-2 vs. Sephiroth
0-3 vs. Samus

Overall: 3-11

Sonic:

1-0 vs. Crono
0-0 vs. Mario
0-1 vs. Mega Man
0-1 vs. Cloud
0-1 vs. Link
0-2 vs. Samus
0-2 vs. Sephiroth
0-2 vs. Snake

Overall: 1-9
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Logience posted...

ZeldaTPLink posted...

Or in Legends if Zelda beats Snake now.

Dont even joke. As strong as Zelda has been, Snake is one of the strongest characters in these games, not only being a Noble Niner, but thanks to being a Konami character who was also in Smash, managing to find a sweet spot where pretty much nobody can anti-vote him for console war reasons.

You were saying?
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Yeah, every time someone beats a member of the Noble Nine, we have this argument about if this constitutes a "breaking" of the Noble Nine.

I first voted in one of these contests during an L-Block match in 2007, and I first became a Board 8 regular in the offseason between BGE2 and CBVIII. As a newcomer, I was one of the ones arguing for Missingno to be "added". But it was explained to me then that the Noble Nine was never about the streak. That was part of their prestige, but just because it ended doesn't take away from the fact that they were an elite force for years. And with all of the wacky formats we keep getting, and the weird rallies, believing that is the only way to stay sane. Not when a character can go from weak enough to lose to a character that's never won a match and a character that needed the supersized field just to make a contest to beating Link and then back to insanely weak.
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Losers Round 1
Mega Man with 55.69%
Bowser with 53.11%

Winners Round 2
Link with 61.31%
Cloud Strife with 58.88%
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Bowser
Alucard
Ganondorf
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Bulbasaur
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Again, I blame Board 8 for talking me out of the Zelda > Snake upset in Second Chance.

Oh, sorry, I mean the Zelda > Snake non-upset because apparently the Noble Nine outside of Link are underdogs now!
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Shonen_Bat posted...

Sorry Bowser, but your Bowsette is in another match pic.

ScareChan posted...

Alucard: What a terrible night to have a curse
Barret: #@!%$#^
Alucard: ...

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Zelda
Sonic
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