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ASithLord7 posted...

OctilIery posted...

spudger posted...

OctilIery posted...

averagejoel posted...

OctilIery posted...

PleaseClap posted...

Is the death penalty on the table

Hopefully not.

if it is, this is 100% an appropriate time to use it

There is no appropriate time. That's why it needs to be abolished.

life in prison means he would suffer longer, so thats good.

Also means he has a chance at rehabilitation.

Fuck off. Hes a Nazi murderer not a drug dealer

And? Rehabilitation should be attempted with everyone, not just specific people. Doesn't mean it's going to work.

So he got fired for being a bigoted pos. Fair, next.

Anteaterking posted...

OctilIery posted...

No, you really shouldn't.

I'm not saying that I think you should. I just don't think you've really done a good job of defending that viewpoint. You've mostly just defended that we shouldn't judge people for doing things that addiction makes them do.

Does this hold in your mind for essentially any problem that arises because of poor decisions that people make? Does the severity of the consequences change how much we can judge people for the initial decision?

Etc.

There are definitely situations where the judgement is OK, what I'm saying is if you see them and judge them without knowing their history, then you're a bad person for judging them.

If you don't know the circumstances of the original decision, you can't judge.

spudger posted...

OctilIery posted...

averagejoel posted...

OctilIery posted...

PleaseClap posted...

Is the death penalty on the table

Hopefully not.

if it is, this is 100% an appropriate time to use it

There is no appropriate time. That's why it needs to be abolished.

life in prison means he would suffer longer, so thats good.

Also means he has a chance at rehabilitation.

ASithLord7 posted...

Shut the fuck up Octillery

No.

averagejoel posted...

OctilIery posted...

PleaseClap posted...

Is the death penalty on the table

Hopefully not.

if it is, this is 100% an appropriate time to use it

There is no appropriate time. That's why it needs to be abolished.

mario2000 posted...

maybe, but im a better person than addicts tho

Nope.

Anteaterking posted...

OctilIery posted...

It's almost like you don't understand what addiction is

Given you, that's believable.

He's not being especially empathetic, but I think you're glossing over how people get addicted in the first place.

Maybe you don't judge someone for using drugs they're addicted to, but maybe you should judge people for e.g. recreationally using drugs and then building a dependence.

No, you really shouldn't.

Rika_Furude posted...

I cant sympathize with repeated terrible decisions. Its like smoking and then complaining about your lung cancer

It's almost like you don't understand what addiction is

Given you, that's believable.

Kolibri X posted...

OctilIery posted...

Kolibri X posted...

You do realize you just mindlessly judged people in your topic title.

"tolerate my intolerance"

More like "I get to call people bad people but others shouldn't."

No, I had it right the first time.

_Squirtle_ posted...

OctilIery posted...

In small increments in steps. Small mistakes cascading into bigger and bigger ones.

Way to be as vague as possible

Because it isn't something that tends to have specific beginnings.

synth_real posted...

Having known a decent amount of people with substance abuse problems, lots of them were broken people before they ever saw drugs or alcohol, the shit just takes away their chances of making things better.

Yup :(

Kolibri X posted...

You do realize you just mindlessly judged people in your topic title.

"tolerate my intolerance"

PleaseClap posted...

Is the death penalty on the table

Hopefully not.

catboy0_0 posted...

I agree TC. I still generally don't trust them nor would let them into my home if I had anything to say about it.

And you aren't and shouldn't be expected to.

mattnd2007 posted...

I feel for people hooked on narcotics. A lot of that starts as a legit prescription for a pain problem of some sort. But someone that is a Coke or meth head I find a lot harder to understand

It's the same process a lot of times. They have a problem, they use drugs to cope, the drugs become a big problem.

The only difference is with opioids the use often starts legally.

_Squirtle_ posted...

OctilIery posted...

_Squirtle_ posted...

Getting addicted to opioids after a big injury is the only understandable one.

Not even close.

How does one understandably get hooked on crack as a healthy adult?

In small increments in steps. Small mistakes cascading into bigger and bigger ones. Or do you honestly think people just up and decide to jump on the hardest shit they can find?

Not to mention a lot of them have pretty nasty histories leading to them seeking that escape.

_Squirtle_ posted...

Getting addicted to opioids after a big injury is the only understandable one.

Not even close.

Anti-245 posted...

Do you feel this way about crack addicts too or are just now saying this because of the opioid crisis?

All addicts. The opioid crisis obviously has some additional problems but addiction sucks in general.

DevsBro posted...

"They did it to themselves" is probably the opinion I have the greatest success changing people's minds on.

I just tell them "That doesn't make it any easier to deal with."

I mean, addiction sucks. It seriously sucks.

Mhmm. Plus with the current opioid crisis, they didn't do it to themselves, they had it done to them :/

Bump

SwayM posted...

Perascamin posted...

It never did.

It only did if you're the type to yank your phone charger out of the charging port, in which case the defect isn't on the product, but you the consumer.

I have no scratches on my Switch and I've had it since launch. I dont use any kind of screen protection either. If you scratch it, it's on you.

Holy shit theres always one in every topic isnt there?

Hes right.

Jiek_Fafn posted...

I used to work in a rehab center and addicts are a very large range of people. It's a really widespread affliction so odds are we all know someone that's an addict.

Many are "responsible" and only do it after work or whatever and manage to live mostly normal lives. They just spend their free time destroying themselves. Many are also huge dangerous assholes too. It's a decent mix.

Well technically, isn't it only considered addiction if it's adversely impacting your normal life?

But otherwise, yeah, there's a lot of variety. Learning this group has been very interesting, and I can already tell I'm gonna be sad when some of them go, though hopefully they're moving on to better things.

kingdrake2 posted...

addicts need to get their shit together. nuff said. there's a time and place to party but not in the 30's or above.

You do realise addiction is a mental illness, right? It isn't just something you "get over".

darkprince45 posted...

While I dont disagree with you. Drug addicts can be seriously dangerous people

They can be, and caution isn't judgement. I keep my phone on me, but I'm pretty certain if I left it on my office desk, nothing would happen.

Hearing the stories from my work is just so interesting. A lot of trauma, a lot of personal problems, and a lot of mental issues and anxiety about actually getting back on their feet.

There are plenty of great people among them, and awful ones, just like any group.

I'm 33. I just started an AMAZING job in addiction recovery, with a ton of room for growth. There is no cutoff, just don't lose hope!

lol RHCP

Easily one of the most talented and unique modern rock bands, and got better with time until they lost Frusciante :(

Up!

Hairistotle posted...

John wick chapter 3 babyyyyyy

Goddamn I keep forgetting this is happening so fucking hyped

We have rumors but all we know is it's Avengers 4.

Makes me think of a Pic I saw the other day, of a cabinet full of plates that will fall out the second you open it, and someone comparing that to themselves.

If you are happy being alone, cool, but if you're just content and accepting it that isn't OK. Opening that cabinet is going to make a big mess, and make things so much worse, but it also means you now have a chance to put things right.

You can do this, TC.

KILBOTz posted...

William Hung

About the only right answer in here

deathpainter posted...

OctilIery posted...

deathpainter posted...

Been playing kill team lately to take a break from the scale of 40k and AoS. Its a lot easier to get a well painted Killteam on the table than 2k points of the big games. I like kill team, but I think it has some mechanical issues that get overlooked a lot.

Both it and 40k do, but I appreciate the price and time difference for it. So insanely fun so far!

It is certainly a lot of fun. I'm currently running a Deathwatch killteam in a local league and its going pretty well. I played a 4 player game yesterday and a thousand sons player rolled perils on his smite, used a reroll and still ended up with perils. The resulting explosion took his leader and two Rubric marines out before we even reached the first shooting phase. Stuff like that makes for a fun story, even if not the most competitive game.

I've got Grey knights, I'm sure I'll know that pain, lol

Guide posted...

I'm deep into the lore, but the game is too expensive and time consuming.

Look into kill team. Most armies you can buy a single box(typical cost is $30-60 per faction) and the games run about a half hour.

deathpainter posted...

Been playing kill team lately to take a break from the scale of 40k and AoS. Its a lot easier to get a well painted Killteam on the table than 2k points of the big games. I like kill team, but I think it has some mechanical issues that get overlooked a lot.

Both it and 40k do, but I appreciate the price and time difference for it. So insanely fun so far!

I mean, no part of it was ever as great as people gave it credit for. Story, characters, and gameplay all had some notable problems.

Cads_4370 posted...

smoliske posted...

no but it makes you a coward

This

Theres a video taken by i think 3 teens who are watching a guy drown in a lake and laughing and mocking him right up until he dissapears under the water for good, before laughing it off and leaving.

Now i understand its absolutely stupid to try and save a drowning person yourself, they'll dtown you too. But at no point did they even think about not filming and laughing at this guy and calling the police. IIRC the police really wanted to charge them with something but at the end of the day the attorney said they technically hadnt broken any laws.

IIRC, they found something to charge them with eventually. Wasn't for the filming, but it was definitely because of it.

Lord_Shadow posted...

smoliske posted...

no but it makes you a coward

Or the person lives in a town or state that they hate and has made the the decision to say fuck it not help any of these people out of spite. Could be one example.

ok, so it makes you a coward or a piece of shit.

ToadallyAwesome posted...

Sorry bro. Way too expensive

Kill team isn't so bad actually. You buy one or two boxes and you're good to go.

CE pls

Just recently got started in Kill Team after being away from 40k for so long.

Thinking of doing a Sorc build.

TheOrgyPorgy posted...

this may help those who feel troubled about the question:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Philemon&version=ESV

Completely irrelevant post.

kingdrake2 posted...

OctilIery posted...

mcpwnia posted...

she's a chihuahua >_> pretty well-trained for the most part, she has separation anxiety which we're working on.

I gave her a cbd treat this morning actually.

Awww that sucks, for all the crap they get well raised chihuahuas are Amazing, and one of my favorite small breeds.

there was one chihuahua i met which my grandfather brought over. it was one of those calm ones that didn't act up.

Like pits, they're popular with a kind of owner that raises them poorly, and they get a bad rap from it :(

Knowledge_King posted...

OctilIery posted...

Knowledge_King posted...

Feminism. And it got critics to give good reviews. Otherwise it's the worst movie outside of Man of Steel.

It got critics to give good reviews? By being a good movie?

Nah it sucked imo. Many bad movies have good reviews.

No.

Zikten posted...

Mizznox posted...

6.7

Wonder if we'll feel anything down in southeast AK

Damn

It did feel big

Probably the biggest quake I ever lived through.

How big were the ones you didn't live through? :P

mcpwnia posted...

she's a chihuahua >_> pretty well-trained for the most part, she has separation anxiety which we're working on.

I gave her a cbd treat this morning actually.

Awww that sucks, for all the crap they get well raised chihuahuas are Amazing, and one of my favorite small breeds.

Hope you're OK and nothing is too badly damaged. What was the rating?

And yet I'm not planning to leave early or anything wtf

Alphamon posted...

OctilIery posted...

Ehhh, trashy and racist as it is, you can't really equate the confederate flag with Nazis. They're on a whole different level

They are diet nazis but its evidence that the energy and hate were there all along.

OK I'll accept that. Trump just gave them fuel :/

Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Alphamon posted...

Goats posted...

I honestly don't think we'll ever see it calm down. Trump has opened Pandora's Box cyndaquil

No he didn't. He just made it undeniable.

Go down south and you will notice all the Confederate flags and memorials were there for decades.

Ehhh, trashy and racist as it is, you can't really equate the confederate flag with Nazis. They're on a whole different level