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Punnyz posted...

I'm excited about the echofighters

like, Chrom having a mix and match moveset means the possibilities are endless now.

Hell, even characters in the first smash had borrowed moves, Jiggilypuff and kirby, Falcon and Samus

Ganondorf was a Falcon clone on top of that. when the hell did he ever fight with his fists?

Echo fighters might not have to be even related to the characters they're echoing

and the fact they can combine them

I just hope they get creative with it

There are so many potential echo fighters, hopefully they just go with it.
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Which would you rather have:
- Snake's codecs
- Palutena's guidance
- Fox getting advice from the rest of Team Star Fox
- Samus emotionlessly reading files on everyone ala Other M
- Pokedex readings of every character
- Squid Sisters talking about everyone
- Cranky Kong complaining about how everyone's moves are too modern, except for Mr. G&W and Pac-Man
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Lopen posted...

I mean Fire Emblem Awakening as a stand alone game probably has more second string reps an appreciable amount of people are interested in than most other Nintendo series combined. There isn't a ton of depth to say Kirby so even if I would love to see a Waddle Doo character or something, I acknowledge I'm in the minority there.

Sure, but none of them are in the game.
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What I mean to say is that if you want to stake your position on "It's cool if FE gets a million characters because it's a character-based game" then having 4/7 of the characters be from 13-on, and another two be from the most recent games when their Smashes came out, is not a good way to support yourself. It would be one thing if we were getting Lyn and Dorcas or whatever, but it's always a sword lord from a recent game.
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I think the thing about Chrom is that he's not just another FE swordsman, he's the third character from his specific game. If you want to talk about how FE deserves a lot of characters because it has a lot of important people in it, then having 3/7 of its roster be from FEA is probably not persuasive.

But then again, Chrom clearly took no effort to include, so eh.
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Paratroopa1 posted...

I think this isn't giving the Smash team enough credit. The content they put into the game is not only faithful but also has historically aligned with fan expectations pretty well. I can't think of any examples of a character's design being badly out of line with what people wanted or expected. Simon is yet another positive example of this, where they got his classic Castlevania look down perfectly instead of going with the more modern, red-haired anime dude look.

You're probably right. I should probably separate Nintendo and Smash.
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Ike has two special moves that are the same as Marth's, no big deal.
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Roy may have distinctions from Marth, but he's still clearly a Marth clone. Four of the FE characters are extremely similar. At least Ike, Robin, and Corrin are all distinct.
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I don't count Toad since he's in as a Peach move, I was counting Captain Toad.
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StartTheMachine posted...

Paper Mario
Toad/Captain Toad (and it would have to be the Captain considering Peach and Daisy still have regular Toad as a move)
Geno
Dixie Kong

I'd argue that those first two are probably above Waluigi. Paper Mario already has his own stage and Mario RPGs totally need representation. Geno would be a cool rep too, being a fan favorite and all, but Paper Mario is a long-running Nintendo series and Super Mario RPG is not.

Paper Mario maybe, but the others aren't as famous or popular.

And knowing Nintendo, a Paper Mario inclusion would have sticker and paint-based powers instead of being based on the good games.
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I'm not even sure Nintendo has any more big names not yet in the game. King K. Rool and Ridley were some of the last two, and King K. Rool is kind of pushing it. Besides pokemon, does anyone beat Waluigi?
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New press release Smash images, Ms. Pac-Man actually shows up in a stage
https://imgur.com/a/HdDfJce
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1-10, 12, Tactics, Tactics Advance
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People were immediately speculating that red eyes = Ashley from Wario. Sakurai needs to be careful or people will treat him as another Kojima.
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It probably involves a lot of arguing about making sure everything looks good. I notice Pac-Man is always yellow with colored armbands in his alt costumes instead of the obvious changing his skin color.
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Bump
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It's exactly as awful as you'd guess.
http://collider.com/sonic-the-hedgehog-movie-adam-pally-neal-mcdonough/

Marsden will play a small-town cop from South Dakota who ends up going on a road trip to San Francisco with Sonic the Hedgehog as they race against the evil Dr. Robotnik (Carrey) to recover Sonics rings. Pally will play a fellow cop, while McDonoughs role remains under wraps

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Bloodstains on the carpet is the perfect way to end that story.
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I once went to a Zankou Chicken and ordered a chicken breast. I got uncooked chicken intestines in a bag. Never went back to any Zankou Chicken ever again.

I try not to eat at most fast food places other than Subway now.
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The ability to turn off stage hazards should make the majority of stages tournament-legal, right? The only illegal ones would be huge stages like Temple and things with gimmicks that cant be turned off like Big Blue.
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I've actually discussed with other people why Cyborg is DC's default black guy on teams, and it seems to just come down to him and the one Green Lantern being their only big black heroes.
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ninkendo posted...

I like to imagine sakurai has a whiteboard that just says NO NEW POKEMON written on it

And another whiteboard that says "New FE characters are fine?"
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I doubt that leak is real. If you assume Chrom will get in, then you'd know he'd be a clone. You'd know he likely wouldn't be a Marth echo since he already has one, so you'd guess either Ike or Roy. It's impressive, but it is guessable.
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Thinking more about it, I doubt Dixie will be in. It would have been perfect to introduce her as a Diddy echo in the trailer with King K. Rool and add her to the heroes fighting him, but she was nowhere to be seen. She might be DLC or something, though.
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Mewtwo59 posted...

Young Link reps OoT. He doesn't have the Deku Shield in MM and all of his other stuff uses their OoT designs.

Does he? My mistake.
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I also think Bandana Waddle Dee is possible. He's the highest ranking character on Japan's Smash 4 character request poll not already confirmed.
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I don't think Skull Kid will get in just because they clearly wanted each Zelda rep to be from a different game, and Young Link already reps MM.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

Here's something for fun. Who is everyone's top 4 they want in and top 4 think will be in.

Want:
Bartender from Tapper
Dixie Kong
Impa
Jill Valentine

Prediction:
Shadow, Ken, Isabelle
Incineroar/Decidueye
Isaac
Geno (its obvious Sakurai is going after fan favorites
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Ashethan posted...

Dixie Kong

Ah yes, this is an outstanding snub.
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Square owns Tomb Raider, right? Is Lara Croft big enough to be in Smash?
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Since the Direct topic filled up.

Are there any other outstanding snubs now that King K. Rool is in? I can't think of anything beyond pokemon and things like Vaati.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

Does this mean in the Smash after ultimate we'll get the whole Belmont family?! Lol

I'm sure one of the Belmonts will have clothing colors that reference the others.
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I'd rather have something weird like Alakazam than Incineroar or Decidueye.
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Xeybozn posted...

How do we know this was his favorite alligator? Did Hitler write a ranking of alligators at some point?

5 seemingly normal zoo animals loved by dictators, by cracked.com
5. Pol Pot's favorite jellyfish
4. Stalin's favorite camel
3. Tito's favorite lion
2. Hitler's favorite alligator
1. Mugabe's favorite camel, which is the same as Stalin's
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Apparently Hitler had a favorite alligator.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_(alligator)

In 1993, when Russian tanks were moving down the Garden Ring after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Saturn cried out because of the vibrations, which a zookeeper thinks reminded him of the Battle of Berlin.

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Team Rocket Elite posted...

I'm not sure how practical this would be but if you use The Moon Assist Trophy on Great Bay, The Moon should get thrown back by the Giants.

This sounds great.
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mnkboy907 posted...

https://nintendoeverything.com/name-of-smash-bros-ultimates-unknown-menu-mode-possibly-uncovered/

Could easily be another SSE mode.
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Legend of the Galactic Heroes
Dragon Ball Z
Speed Racer
Sailor Moon
Yu Yu Hakusho
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I'm not as crazy for King K. Rool as others, but I'm happy people are satisfied with him. Are there any major recurring Nintendo villains left now?
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Best Popular Film sounds like a joke.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

Luigi doesn't have the cape. Also, Luigi is in the original 12 so they aren't going to call him an echo.

I meant that Doc Mario's down-B still echoes another fighter's.
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I could see an FFVII AT, just a question of who it would be.
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HashtagSEP posted...

I'd assume they're basing it on the fact that even if Chrom's up-b is different than Roy's, it's still echoing another fighter, whereas Doc's down-B isn't

Doesn't Luigi also have that attack?
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KamikazePotato posted...

Yeah them too.

Dr. Mario should also probably be counted as an Echo Fighter, but the website gives him normal billing.

It's because Dr. Mario has a different down-B and his moves have slightly different properties in regards to speed and damage, whereas Lucina's differences are smaller. I got the impression that Simon and Richter are identical.
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Mario: 8 characters
Zelda: 6 characters
Pokemon: 7 characters
Fire Emblem: 7 characters
And that's if FE doesn't get another from the upcoming Switch game.
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WhiteLens posted...

Chrom does look like he has Roy's moveset except for the Up+B. So Echo fighters can differentiate a bit more from the fighter they're based on.

We knew that from Lucina having different blade properties than Marth, but this does look a little bigger.
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Smash website updated, Chrom is an echo of Roy.
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/index.html
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I knew King K. Rool was in the moment I saw the Klaptrap AT, but I didn't expect him at the end of the direct.

Was totally wrong about Chrom.

Everyone expected Simon and Dark Samus, so meh.

Richter was a surprise.

Ashley, Knuckles, Zero, and Shovel Knight being deconfirmed was great.
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He specifically mentioned Mimikyu as a smash run enemy, but we've seen it as a pokeball pokemon now, I think we can safely say he was full of crap.
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Chrom looked like Marth or Roy to me, he wasn't using Ike's slow punches.
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