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| Topic | Ocasio-Cortez complains that conservatives won't engage with her, then |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 8:30:52 PM #320 | Anteaterking posted... Absolutely. Being clever enough to "burn" people doesn't mean that your ideas about what's being debated are clever. Also Trump supporters have really lowered the bar recently for what constitutes a sick burn, so if calling someone "Pocahontas" is a sick burn, then I definitely think you can burn someone while being less clever. I'm pretty certain it's not possible for someone to regularly burn people in debates when they know less than the other person and their ideas make less sense. Call me crazy, I know. Anteaterking posted... But it's really easy to Without being obvious to all? Nope. Anteaterking posted... in that setting. That's what most presidential debates are like. That's what most public debates between politicians are like. Because the "official" ones have this draconic scoring system that isn't really useful in determining who has better ideas. As for Ben's debates, I have no idea what you're talking about because they basically always stay on - topic until the moderator asks a different question Omnislasher posted... CyricZ posted...Someone remind me what office Ben Shapiro is running for. What's the point supposed to be here Zeeak4444 posted... You'd have to be an idiot to think this was an intelligent remark. He misquoted the guy. Do you deny this? I can mix you up a humbletini if you want to just drop out now --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Antifa bravely smash Berkeley city vehicle windows, set them on fire. *video* |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 8:24:04 PM #1 |  Can we all stop pretending these people are fighting against fascism now? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | What flavors do you associate with autumn? |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 7:54:40 PM #6 | pumpk-damnit --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Can we have a real debate about ethics in video game journalism? |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 7:45:34 PM #3 | This game sucks. 7/10. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Ocasio-Cortez complains that conservatives won't engage with her, then |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 7:43:00 PM #315 | Blue_Dream87 posted... Is anyone else gonna jump in and defend Shapiro? I usually try to give that guy benefit of the doubt but doesn't seem like anyone is defending him... Adequately The only complete argument anyone has given against him is a blog that relies on articles he wrote in 2003 and defends Antifa. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Ocasio-Cortez complains that conservatives won't engage with her, then |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 7:40:18 PM #313 | The Great Muta 22 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted...ledbowman posted...Sephiroth1288 posted...ledbowman posted...Sephiroth1288 posted...ledbowman posted...Is it moral to destroy the social fabric? He lied about something Ben said, so yeah. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Ocasio-Cortez complains that conservatives won't engage with her, then |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 7:30:38 PM #311 | ledbowman posted... Sephiroth1288 posted...ledbowman posted...Sephiroth1288 posted...ledbowman posted...Is it moral to destroy the social fabric? Yeah, my defense is that you switched something Ben said with a word he did not say. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Ocasio-Cortez complains that conservatives won't engage with her, then |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 7:26:27 PM #309 | ledbowman posted... Sephiroth1288 posted...ledbowman posted...Is it moral to destroy the social fabric? Valuing the social fabric =/= the social fabric being a question of morality. You misquoted Ben, got called out on it, and now you're making excuses. Just quit while you're ahead, bro. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Omarosa says Trump is a racist who uses N-word and claims there's tape |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 7:23:30 PM #17 | slimfizzle2 posted... Capn Circus posted...Lol, if a tape existed it would have been out before the election. If no tape of him saying the n-word exists before he went into the white house, why would he suddenly decide to start using it in the white house and why is Omarosa of all people the only one to have a tape of it --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Ocasio-Cortez complains that conservatives won't engage with her, then |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 7:21:48 PM #307 | ledbowman posted... Is it moral to destroy the social fabric? Entirely depends on whether the social fabric is good or not. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Omarosa says Trump is a racist who uses N-word and claims there's tape |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 7:20:57 PM #14 | Democrats have been looking for this magical n-word tape for years and it turns out some reality show contestant had it the whole time! --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Ocasio-Cortez complains that conservatives won't engage with her, then |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 7:18:20 PM #305 | ledbowman posted... Sephiroth1288 posted...ledbowman posted...Remember when Shapiro said he could morally vote for Trump in 2020 because the immorality has already been done lol. Is "social fabric" synonymous with "morality", Einstein? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Ocasio-Cortez complains that conservatives won't engage with her, then |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 7:12:33 PM #302 | A Novel Idea posted... Statistics have context. Given time to look into the context of the parenthood statistic you're touting might bring up an argument that says there was disproportionate enforcement of drug laws against the black community, laws that would remove black fathers from black households. (Here's an article about Nixon-era policy and perspectives that led to this: https://harpers.org/archive/2016/04/legalize-it-all/). Yeah statistics have context, which is why both people on stage should be well-read on the subject and have their own set of data to bring up in the debate. Also, most drug offenses aren't for really long periods of time and a sentence of 6 months isn't going to remove a father from his kids. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Ocasio-Cortez complains that conservatives won't engage with her, then |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 7:09:41 PM #300 | A Novel Idea posted... I'm proceeding from the standpoint that public debates are more of a spectacle to make its audience feel vindicated in their beliefs than an informative exercise, and that "public intellectuals" have a material interest in making these public challenges and going into these debates with the particular set of tactics that have been described earlier in this topic. If Ben went up there and gave blatantly wrong statistics, even if his opponent didn't catch it, he would be getting flak for all time afterward. His audience would not feel terribly vindicated by "gotcha statistics" if there were people in the comment section of all his videos saying "Wtf, his numbers are completely wrong, what an idiot". --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Ocasio-Cortez complains that conservatives won't engage with her, then |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 6:58:32 PM #298 | Balrog0 posted... Excellent questions that were not answered by listing statistics about black arrests and criminality. Ok so answer his question that the two experts on black history couldn't. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Ocasio-Cortez complains that conservatives won't engage with her, then |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 6:50:01 PM #294 | Balrog0 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted...I used the very first thing as an example of how dumb the author is. It wasn't meant to be a serious refutation of the entire blog. Ben directly responded to the question of black wealth disparity as a consequence of past racism and pointed out all the statistics that actually got worse since the end of Jim Crow. We know that black kids who grow up with both parents in the home are more likely to not be poor than white kids growing up with single parents. Why is single motherhood more prevalent among black women now than it was in 1960? Are we more racist today than we were in 1960? And yeah it was a minor portion of the essay, but it accurately showed the level of dishonestly throughout the essay. Here's another example: He digs up an essay Ben wrote when he was a teenager to accuse him of being unsympathetic to Palestinians. I mean, the NYT just defended a lady who said blatantly racist shit a couple months ago and progressives have forgiven Bernie for his college essay where he said women enjoy being raped. I would think being unsympathetic to the interests of a nation run by a UN-designated terrorist group, when you're 18, is a bit meh, wouldn't you say? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Ocasio-Cortez complains that conservatives won't engage with her, then |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 6:41:00 PM #290 | Balrog0 posted... I'm talking about what the blog says, not reality. You're the one who chose to refute the very first thing and not the rest of it... I used the very first thing as an example of how dumb the author is. It wasn't meant to be a serious refutation of the entire blog. Do you actually expect me to respond to the entirety of that? Because if so I will expect you to respond seriously to whatever Breitbart-tier source I find to back up my next post, deal? A Novel Idea posted... Ben Shapiro doesn't address the historical antecedents substantially enough, he also cites some memorized statistics that are uncited and don't have sufficient time to be analyzed* for at least one calculated "gotcha" moment. If his statistics were wrong then people would be harping on it to this very day. They literally need to go back 8 years to find a quote of his to take out of context to accuse him of bigotry, so citing false stats 3 years ago would definitely be in his opponents' wheelhouse. But go ahead and google the statistics he's referring to. See if he's wrong. You have time now, right? A Novel Idea posted... Also, you forward a 5 minute video in response to a long-form sourced article and chastise the other user for getting their body of knowledge from "hit pieces on blogs." You're inviting someone to ask how many 5 minute videos comprise your body of knowledge, and now we have a track running parallel to the main argument where folks are just trading insults. He made a claim that Ben doesn't talk about X and I disproved him with video evidence. Whether he is willing to view the evidence or not is entirely up to him. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Ocasio-Cortez complains that conservatives won't engage with her, then |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 6:28:36 PM #284 | Funbazooka posted... It's almost sad how easy it is to burn Cenk. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Ocasio-Cortez complains that conservatives won't engage with her, then |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 6:22:32 PM #282 | A Novel Idea posted... For example, in the Democratic Socialists of America there were ongoing debates within the organization about endorsing Ocasio-Cortez, Cynthia Nixon, Rashida Tlaib. These were done in public forums through open letters and pieces on the website. In the end, the organization voted on whether to endorse those candidates. The fact that AOC is the person they went with after this kind of discourse isn't what I would call great evidence that it's all that effective (unless those other two people REALLY sucked) Seriously though I don't see a problem with that kind of longform writing discussion but in a situation where you have two people with opposing viewpoints, it seems like it would be really easy to talk past each other. In a live debate it isn't nearly as easy to wiggle out of a tough question without it being obvious to everyone watching. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Ocasio-Cortez complains that conservatives won't engage with her, then |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 6:14:10 PM #281 | Balrog0 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted...It literally writes of the idea that Ben is a logical speaker because he once called Antifa "garbage". He does, and you would know that if your body of knowledge didn't come from hit pieces on blogs.  --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | 'Bait truck' of Nike shoes left in black Chicago community during railroad sting |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 6:09:41 PM #57 | Hairistotle posted... Sephiroth1288 posted...Hairistotle posted...I feel bad for those people. So poor and beat down enough to take their chances on a crime of opportunity. And it's all manufactured. Who looks at a parked semi truck and goes "Oh my God, today is the day I will commit theft." Probably the same people who look at a house with no cars in the driveway and think the same thing. And yeah these people should be in jail. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | 'Bait truck' of Nike shoes left in black Chicago community during railroad sting |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 6:02:25 PM #49 | Hairistotle posted... I feel bad for those people. So poor and beat down enough to take their chances on a crime of opportunity. And it's all manufactured. I'm pretty sure most poor people aren't criminals. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Ocasio-Cortez complains that conservatives won't engage with her, then |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 6:00:52 PM #278 | scar the 1 posted... No, Ben's brand is more just trying to be as intellectually dishonest as he needs to be to do "sick burns". Do you think it's possible to regularly "sick burn" people without having more clever ideas than them scar the 1 posted... A Novel Idea posted...Right, fact-checking is important for intellectual discussion, and Ben Shapiro misrepresents facts when speaking in public as a deliberate tactic because public debate doesn't allow for fact checking on the fly. This is described in an article that I believe was linked earlier: https://static.currentaffairs.org/2017/12/the-cool-kids-philosopher It literally writes of the idea that Ben is a logical speaker because he once called Antifa "garbage". Think about that. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | 'Bait truck' of Nike shoes left in black Chicago community during railroad sting |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 5:56:43 PM #41 | FrisbeeDude posted... literally trying to create criminals. fuck outta here. If you see a truck parked on the sidewalk and you have an urge to rob it, you should probably be in prison. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | 'Bait truck' of Nike shoes left in black Chicago community during railroad sting |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 5:46:53 PM #20 | REMercsChamp posted... So they got arrested for breaking into a car and stealing things --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Ocasio-Cortez complains that conservatives won't engage with her, then |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 5:45:35 PM #271 | Giant_Aspirin posted... Sephiroth1288 posted...Also, ever notice how it only seems to be people on the left who keep insisting that debating ideas isn't worthwhile? Point to a right winger ITT who said debates are worthless. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Ocasio-Cortez complains that conservatives won't engage with her, then |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 5:42:48 PM #268 | scar the 1 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted...Good ideas have good arguments and s*** ideas are made with s*** arguments. You can't evade this fact. If you're referring to those debates where some panel of judges decides on the "winner" then I agree, but I've never seen Ben do one of those. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Ocasio-Cortez complains that conservatives won't engage with her, then |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 5:39:27 PM #265 | Also, ever notice how it only seems to be people on the left who keep insisting that debating ideas isn't worthwhile? It almost seems like they don't have a lot of faith in their ideas --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Ocasio-Cortez complains that conservatives won't engage with her, then |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 5:37:27 PM #263 | Antifar posted... This topic is 260 posts and people think debate is worthwhile? A message board topic with a dozen or so people voluntarily and haphazardly throwing out their opinions is hardly a debate. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Ocasio-Cortez complains that conservatives won't engage with her, then |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 5:33:53 PM #260 | Funbazooka posted... Jordan Peterson tries to have an intellectual discussion any time he's interviewed by left-wing media and every time he gets the Cathy Newman treatment And he makes them look foolish anyway, as long as they don't chop up the video to make him look as bad as possible. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Ocasio-Cortez complains that conservatives won't engage with her, then |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 5:32:49 PM #259 | A Novel Idea posted... "Challenging someone to a public debate is usually a form of gotcha because the format itself is not conducive to real intellectual discussion. Debate is a game and most people that challenge others to debate are aware of this and know they are good at the game" Sounds like a (not so) clever way of diminishing the value of discourse and defending people who either don't have the knowledge or conviction to defend their ideas in public. No, debating is NOT all just about being a good debator. Good ideas have good arguments and shit ideas are made with shit arguments. You can't evade this fact. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Michael Avenatti exploring Presidential run in 2020 |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 5:26:34 PM #28 | Questionmarktarius posted... Sephiroth1288 posted...The 2020 DNC nominee lineup so far: Sure why not --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Michael Avenatti exploring Presidential run in 2020 |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 5:24:35 PM #26 | Antifar posted... My point is just that judging the 2020 field before we've even held the 2018 elections is a silly exercise. Oh jeez, I guess I'll have to revise my totally serious and not at all facetious list in 2 years! --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Michael Avenatti exploring Presidential run in 2020 |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 5:19:25 PM #23 | Antifar posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... so far --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Ocasio-Cortez complains that conservatives won't engage with her, then |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 5:17:11 PM #251 | Balrog0 posted... I don't work for politicians, I work with them. They are mostly all stupid, even the ones who sound like they know what they're talking about. Literally no one gives a shit about policy. Depressing. Balrog0 posted... nah, like I said, there is a crazy level of partisanship these days. I really don't think you understand the extent to which you all are talking different languages I will readily and without hesitation admit that Trump says a lot of dumb things. But at least he knows business and economics. What exactly is AOC's strength beyond wanting to give people free shit? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Michael Avenatti exploring Presidential run in 2020 |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 5:12:00 PM #12 | The 2020 DNC nominee lineup so far: - Hillary "It's my turn again" Clinton - A Bernie Sanders wannabe who thinks she's Pocahontas - A Bernie Sanders wannabe who doesn't know what unemployment is - The actual Bernie Sanders who will in no way live long enough to serve two complete terms - Oprah - A prostitute's lawyer. Blue. Wave. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Show me an example of an unintelligible American accent |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 5:05:04 PM #3 | Cajun --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Ocasio-Cortez complains that conservatives won't engage with her, then |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 5:04:15 PM #248 | Balrog0 posted... I know for a fact that it is. I work with politicians, do you? Maybe you should start working for politicians who can articulate their ideas. Balrog0 posted... yeah but you have an obvious bias here lol Come on. You know Im right about this. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Ocasio-Cortez complains that conservatives won't engage with her, then |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 4:54:58 PM #243 | Balrog0 posted... as I've stated else where, I don't see her as the future of the democratic party I'm positive that's not true. You know those right-wing interviewers who go to leftist protests, ask some questions but only leave in the dumb answers people give, and go "haha, look at how dumb these people are"? AOC's quotes remind me of the things they leave in. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Ocasio-Cortez complains that conservatives won't engage with her, then |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 4:46:53 PM #240 | Balrog0 posted... she sounds stupid but so would all of us here A politician and the "future of the Democratic Party" probably shouldn't sound stupid when answering softball questions. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez proves she knows words, she has the best words |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 4:44:51 PM #69 | The Great Muta 22 posted... I love how much a random House contender, and likely Rep, has the entire Republican party and media completely fucking shook. You really need to learn the difference between being scared of person and laughing at that person. They are, like, opposite things. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Ocasio-Cortez complains that conservatives won't engage with her, then |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 4:33:55 PM #237 | AlephZero posted... Uncle Choad posted...There is no way that he would be able to debate with her I'm pretty sure he was kidding. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Ocasio-Cortez complains that conservatives won't engage with her, then |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 4:31:46 PM #234 | ledbowman posted... Remember when Shapiro said he could morally vote for Trump in 2020 because the immorality has already been done lol. That's actually not what he said but go ahead and lie anyway. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Ocasio-Cortez complains that conservatives won't engage with her, then |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 4:25:04 PM #229 | gunplagirl posted... RedWhiteBlue posted...I see it 2 ways He also offered to donate the 10000 to a charity of her choosing, so no you're wrong again. scar the 1 posted... IDK why anyone on any side of any spectrum would want to have a "debate" with someone with this level of intellectual honesty: Look guys, this obviously biased blog wrote a hit piece! How will [person/people] ever recover! --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Ocasio-Cortez complains that conservatives won't engage with her, then |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 10:02:49 AM #179 | NinjaBreakfast posted... If you think Venezuela is the one and only response Ben has to Democratic Socialism then you have probably never seen Ben talk about Democratic Socialism. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Ocasio-Cortez complains that conservatives won't engage with her, then |
| Sephiroth1288 08/10/18 4:31:13 AM #170 | Dragonblade01 posted... I don't know if Ben Shapiro is the guy you want to hold up as a pinnacle of right wing thought. You can denigrate him all you want but it will only make Cortez look more pathetic by running away from a debate with him. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
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