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Is it just that you are both being lazy. Because I've already pulled his first post up twice since you started having this inane "argument".

Should I just repost it?
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Corrik posted...

I hate to say it but no extra kill and the power that has dropped so far could make a 10-5 split possible. I err to this being unlikely, but let's not get too hasty either.

-_-

For some reason I kept thinking we started with 14 in which 5 would be completely impossible.

As it stands I'm still much more inclined to think it's 4, but I will cede that 5 isn't completely impossible.

Though with a couple jk actions unaccounted for it is possible that shad stopped an extra kill.
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Obellisk posted...

corrik, please reclaim, if you remember what it is you claimed to begin with.

It was literally his first post this game. You aren't going to "trap" him. He can just look it up same as you and say the same thing again.
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Corrik we can kill you tomorrow if we don't win today, stop trying to make yourself a martyr and let's win.
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Maths:

It is 1 vs 6 today.

If we lynch sultan and he is town it will be 1 vs 5 tonight.

Someone will be killed (probably me). It will be 1 vs 4 tomorrow.

The mason will claim at this point. Scum cannot afford to counterclaim in 1 vs 4 because then it doesn't matter who is lynched first, scum loses.

That leaves us with 1 vs 4* where 1 of the 4 is confirmed town. And in a situation with:

(1) Corrik
(2) benjamin3740 (formerly Tange)
(4) MZero11
(5) Obellisk
(6) Sheep007

Unless Corrik was mason he is probably the lynch. And if it isn't Corrik at that point then it's probably SBell. Unless Sbell was the mason then it would be benjamin/Tange.

I'd like to say corrik is 'confirmed' by his actions this game, but part of me is so fearful that we would never ever ever live it down if corrik were scum and picked up a win with this game that i'd rather use our 2nd potential mislynch on him to make sure that 100% could not happen.

Sheep as scum would be able to pick up the win from this position, and Mzero as well, but we can rule those out pretty well so this feels like a win waiting to happen.

With that said:

##Vote: Sultan
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Well Sbell also has not claimed

I have also not claimed.

Nobody has asked me too and I haven't seen a point at which there would have been any benefit.

Yeah that sounds scummy to me brother

I notice you aren't calling me an asshole to justify a weak vote anymore. Lost a lot of moxie now that you've run out of teammates have you? And even if I'm being an asshole that doesn't make me scum, just look at Corrik every game he's ever been town. So it's still a shitty reason to leave a vote.
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Here is how I want today to go:

We start voting Sultan because he is the person we should lynch today. If Sultan is mason this is his opportunity to claim it to prevent a confirmed mislynch. If he makes this claim I can confirm if he is or not thanks to my red knowledge.

And then if sultan is town the mason can claim tomorrow after I am killed tonight. We will still have a lynch to give so scum can't fake it because it would be a 100% loss for them to counter mason either today or tomorrow.

I really don't see a way we lose from this position.
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Well Sbell also has not claimed

I have also not claimed.

Nobody has asked me too and I haven't seen a point at which there would have been any benefit.
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Well that's going off of pirate and you seriously can't do that you can't really go off anything he said lol

I don't think his issue with what you said is because it was based on "something pirate said".

You said "it's kind of hard, last scum is playing well", but that doesn't really fit, does it?

The last scum, whoever it is, has not survived any days where a town was lynched yet. That is not the sign of "playing well", that is the sign of "not being killed yet". Scum4, whoever it is, was not in danger of being lynched during the past 3 days, because all 3 of their allies got lynched. So they clearly weren't playing well enough because they were not able to prevent their allies from dropping like flies.

It's a post that is (A) out of touch with what is actually happening and (B) gives you an excuse to not have a strong suspicion of who scum is because they are playing "so well" and possibly (C) is patting yourself on the back if you are that scum.
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Sultan today, and if the game isn't over Corrik tomorrow.

That would be my preference.

I would have said Tange first, but ben accounted well for himself yesterday.
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Nah it's not a big deal. I am perpetually unable to keep up with all the events I want to so I end up a day or two behind usually until I can catch up. You can't be expected to account for that before you want to talk about an event.
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Oh damn my spoilers :(
I've been busy this weekend so I'm not caught up. My daily for not avoiding the topic. At least I don't know who any of the other qualifiers are.

I'm rooting for dog and firebat but I've still only watched the first 2 rounds of Swiss.
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Notes from 2012 are pretty convincing. As long as that's accurate then I'd say the allegation is at least credible enough to warrant mention.
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You know you get credit for quests in games vs friends now right?

If you need to knock out some quick quests you can use a friend.
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I've been having less than stellar luck with whizbang lately.
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Yeah doesn't seem like anyone is working on anything at as far as developing new reads. We can see what's up tomorrow after the night kill.
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You would have ended the day yesterday before several players had even checked in.

Now would be fine but yesterday was absurdly early.

We're looking at 1v6 after today so there isn't a huge impetus to feel like we need to play hard at this point.
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I'm having some fruit concoctions at a tropical themed wedding reception. There is one jug that I'm convinced is just coconut rum and green food coloring.

hic
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I honestly hope it's Sultan.

I had the "eaed sure is agreeing with Corrik an awful lot" moment that I pointed out.

And a "plum is saying things that don't make sense moment" where I grilled him during his claim time.

And sprinkled in there was a "Sultan is justifying how vote me by calling my an Ass.. again" moment.

So I'd feel pretty good about this game if it were Sultan.
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I was hoping tange was scum so I could kill the person who didn't know who Dipper Pines was.

Alas.

Corrik posted...

If you guys don't move this game along I might ask for a replace. Like, jesus.

Then go already. You try and end every day early and it's dumb. Combine with attempting to out Mason's for no reason?

So yeah go ahead, we'll be fine without you. And if not at least we won't have to listen to you moan when days are more than 6 hours long.
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<_<
Tag
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Nice rant! It's about what I expected too.
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Corrik posted...

Clear yourself as town. Half the game is alrdy confirmed town. Like wow.

Why is that a good thing RIGHT NOW? The mason will be JUST as cleared tomorrow. Or the next day.

No one is saying the mason should never ever claim. Or that they should let town lynch them first.

But yesterday or today? There is no benefit.
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Corrik posted...

Mason not claiming is literally the worst play this entire game.

I'm baffled how you can think this. Even right now we have Harris dead to rights so what purpose would be served by outing mason? Give scum more information for free?
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Well you keep trying to out the mason so there's that.

And there isn't much stopping you from walking back your confirmed town reads if the need arose.

I'm not going to say it's likely, but I'm not prepared to rule it out either.
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Corrik posted...

Pirate do you have any idea how lucky it is you claimed doctor and there wasn't one?

If the Mason doesn't claim today (aka we massclaim), I am not putting any more effort in.

Corrik you are being very dumb about this.

Mason is a guaranteed town.

It is BETTER to have a guaranteed town with fewer alive.

Also unless scum kills me first I can 1000% prevent scum from faking mason.

And that's a waste of a scum kill so that's still good.

Also I think I figured out who it is. Maybe if you read the damn game you would know too.


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Corrik posted...

Forceful_Dragon posted...

...nobody was blocked wtf

Might not be a roleblocker and the jack blocked PJ yesterday.

Right which still clearly points to Harris.
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...nobody was blocked wtf
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##unvote: pj
##vote: harris

No reason for scum to block anyone but doctor. Bg might move a kill but only doctor could straight up stop a kill.
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And you weren't blocked?
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MZero11 posted...

Corrik posted...

Jailkeeper + BG = Good. Jailkeeper + Doctor = sounds a bit too much power.

Yeah this is what I was thinking

I'd like to hear their night actions though

Also why did you guys end day early? Scum probably exists in the quieter players from yesterday

Because they hate me and everything I stand for.
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Corrik posted...

Pretty clear shitty people are scum.

I guess it would make more sense to me if we had a deepest desire scan on one of the scum for comparison's sake.
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MZero11 posted...

Forceful_Dragon posted...

vote: pj

Not buying bg and doc and jk.

But why pj over Pirate?

Im not sure. I really don't care though. It feels like a 1::1 is good enough for us at this point.
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Also I have to formally retract the praise I gave to host for the amazing idea to have the Sunny gang be the scum team since Cartman makes that false.

I still don't know how our deepest desire "thief" was supposed to be useful though if there isn't a unifying split. I guess Cartman and Frank are both shitty people? Iunno
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##vote: pj

Not buying bg and doc and jk.
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Hey! Good to see you again!

If on the off chance you are playing Pokemon Go we should be friends <_<

Edit: And it's bed time now, but I'll have a Fat Tire tomorrow after work so I'm not the only sober one at your bar.
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Canada
Unitedstates
Mexico

:thinking:
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Yeah that's this works.

Scum knows what powers they have. Town does not. We do not benefit from testing protection today. That doesn't change simply because we can't say with certainty whether or not scum has the ability to block twice in 1 night.

What we can say is scum probably can't double block more than 1 time so something has to give tonight. No point rushing it.
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Also I just remembered that someone mentioned Dennis Reynolds by name during day 1. I was going to present a bold theory that it was a scum aligned player letting their team know who they are.

But it was igcd comparing corrik to Dennis.

RIP theory.
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Obellisk posted...

just have no reason to believe scum has a rolescanner, a roleblocker and a jack with an additional roleblock thus giving people extra shot fear.

No reason to believe scum has scum powers?

I should think the fact that this is a game of mafia pretty heavily implies that scum has powers available.

It could also be a RBer with a single charge of double usage got a night. Rolecop/RBer++/godfather/vanilla or rolecop/RBer/Jack/vanilla both seem reasonable in 14.
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Sheep007 posted...

Ed's trying to lynch protection and people are literally asking for other lynches

This is abeter reason to want to lynch eaed than anything relating to plum atm.
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Shaduln posted...

FD you keep focusing on his D2 actions in a void. Plum does not stick his neck out for deciding a town vs town lynch. No way.

When plum claimed he must have had a purpose. Whatever that purpose was intended to be he neglected to realize the implication of his claimed role and claimed scan as it related to his be position towards igcd. It was, in that framework, glaringly inconsistent.

With that in mind there must then have been some perspective in plum's mind that his claim was not completely out of line. We already know what plum failed to consider, but I'm trying to figure out what plum DID consider and what his aims were.

I don't believe "it was too late so he was just rolling over". There were still 3 hours left which is an eternity when there are at most 4 votes on people. If he was just rolling over he wouldn't have said anything at all.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

I'm just saying both of them saying they are blocked is suspicious to me. You mean to tell me that a scum team used a roleblocker and their jack's block to make sure IGCD was killed? That's a ridiculous length to go to.

That is the only reason thing to do if those are the tools available to them.

A scum flipped.

Our flavor scanner was confirmed town at that same moment.

Moreover the flavor split had been revealed by plum's flip so any knowledge from igcd would have been just as useful as a regular cop scan. More useful in fact because it would see through godfatherhood.

So yeah scum would need to take down igcd at all costs.
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But I still think plums day 2 actions much more strongly fit a narrative where ward is town. It's not 100% of course but I'm having trouble seeing any logic to plum's play from a 'eaed is scum' position.

I would much rather Lynch someone like tange who appears to be coasting.

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One of the protections should be killed tonight.

If we decide 1 is scum and lynch one then 2 things could happen.

1) if 1 is scum we could lynch wrong and kill the 1 real protection thus saving scum the effort and we still have to decide about the other tomorrow.

2) if neither are scum we do scums work for them and they could either kill the other to clear the way for any kill they want for the remainder of they could leave them there for the potential we mislynch both of our protections because we have decided only one of them could be town.

Neither situation is markedly better than if we simply hold off until one of them is killed naturally.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

They cant both have been blocked.

They absolutely could both have been blocked. The possibility of rb + Jack is certainly a reasonable one.

I think it would be more fair to say they both can't claim to be blocked again tomorrow.
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Good luck Para!
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Anyways I'll try to have something more substantial tomorrow but I really think that there is enough to what I'm saying that we can afford to lynch not-eaed today.
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Game... list*? Not sure what my phone was going for there.
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Eaed said this within 10 minutes of red's flip:

eaedwards6400
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Also, there seems to be a lot of psych being represented surprisingly.
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Eaed

Are you saying he decided that early what his fake claim would be and rather than switch to a less suspicious fake claim from the safe list he sticks with it and makes a comment about how many characters from the show must be in the game last?
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Shaduln posted...

So why did plum save eaed day 1 then? Did he really think it was best to put his neck out to decide in a town v town lynch?

It could be as simple as seizing an opportunity to kill a better player in Scare. And town are often wrong on the day 1 lynch. That by itself is not necessarily damning. The worst part of that for plum was his 180 on wanting to NL.
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