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"aaaaaHHHHHHHH STOP SAYING ALL THOSE MEAN THINGS ABOUT ME!"

God, our president has the mental maturity of a toddler.
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You can also get diarrhea for a week
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Fallout 3 had better exploration and atmosphere.
Fallout NV had better writing and RPG elements.

It's really what I'm mostly in the mood for. I kinda lean more towards New Vegas because I love Westerns and the inner political struggle of the Mojave is a more interesting story than the "The Good Brotherhood vs the Evil Enclave" storyline of 3.
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FairyLeviathan posted...

Democrats: "We should be more understanding and inclusive."

Also Democrats: "Why can't we lump half the population together and what Hillary Clinton said about deplorables is true."

Well when that population is united by inherently bigoted beliefs then...
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DarthAragorn posted...

Even though baby Hitler was his nephew

This is mostly irrelevant. The Baby Hitler in question being your nephew doesn't make the moral dilemma any easier.

and he had previously redeemed daddy Hitler

But the thing that gets forgotten by many people is that Luke already knew Kylo was a potential threat before he even trained him. Luke thought that keeping Kylo Ren under his tutelage would be enough to protect him from the dark side. Then when he sensed Snoke's influence on him and had that premonition, he realized that it wasn't working.

He specifically tells Rey that he saw Ben's power from an early age but decided to train him to protect him from the dark side. That's why he refuses to train Rey initially in the first place.
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Distant_Rainbow posted...

This is less a 'momentary slip' than someone lifting his three-year-old and giving him a good ol' plane ride over the balcony of a building just because he thought it'd be thrilling and fun for the kid, then accidentally dropping him.

It really doesn't help your comparison that you're comparing something like deliberately hanging a child over the balcony of a building for no reason to the moral dilemma of killing Hitler when he's a baby before he has the chance to kill thousands of people.
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LockeMonster posted...

This all happens in one night.

Does it?
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cjsdowg posted...

But does it really keep coming back. There was like 1000 years or peace under the Jedi. That is long time to have peace. And one or two flare up of evil isn't that much to ask.

That's only because the Sith were hiding in the background waiting for the right moment to strike. They let the Jedi think they were comfortable and secure on their throne, and they became too arrogant and complacent and thus were blindsided.

Then Palpatine eliminated the entire Jedi Order, usurped control over the entire galaxy, and only lost because his big bad bodyguard wasn't as crackling in dark side energy as he previously thought.
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CyricZ posted...

COVxy posted...

I thought I remembered the movie portraying two exaggerated versions of the truth coming from either side and then finally the truth which was somewhere in the middle.

Yes. That's how movies work. TC has decided to write his own account because "imperfect Luke" is anathema to him.

wait huh
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LockeMonster posted...

"My father was Space Hitler. I can never let that happen to the galaxy ever again"

"Die Sith scum. The threat must be eliminated NOW"

"Hey uncle, what you doing?"

"Wait, no, I was just joking"

*Jedi Academy is destroyed*

"Shit, I just unleashed Space Hitler 2.0. Time to go into hiding"

The part that gets missed here is that it was Luke's action in the first place that caused all the bad shit to happen.

So once again, excuse him for thinking the best course of action is to just stay away.
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Distant_Rainbow posted...

Absolutely. Because if he'd truly learned his lesson, that shouldn't have even happened in the first place.

That the 'momentary slip' even happened in the first place simply proves that Luke is a moron.

Yeah, no. I don't care how old you are or what you've experienced, human beings aren't infallible.

Unless you're saying you're perfect and you've never for a slight second thought about doing something you knew you weren't supposed to do, even if you went back on that decision a moment later.
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Distant_Rainbow posted...


But what you fail to realize is that this isn't OT Luke. OT Luke was the underdog hero who was expected to fail and ended up succeeding. ST Luke is treated like the Second Coming of Jesus Christ (which is incredibly meta in and of itself) and is placed under insane pressure to preserve the status quo of the galaxy.

Now his action or inaction has ramifications for the entire galaxy. So when he's faced with a teenage Kylo Ren and he's already having premonitions of him turning into Space Hitler 2.0, a version with the potential to be stronger than the OG Space Hitler, excuse him for not knowing the best course of action to take.

And you can also excuse him for not wanting to get involved at all after making the wrong choice and screwing over the entire galaxy.
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bloodydeath0 posted...

I don't really see Luke as ever being the chosen one. In the og trilogy, he was always kinda a normal farmer dude who learned the force just well enough to confront his father and turn him back.

And to expand on this, also keep in mind that Luke doesn't beat Vader and the Emperor by using his L337 force abilities he learned over 3 movies to blast them out of the Death Star; he successfully convinces his father to come back to the light side and turn against the Emperor.

You know how odd of a conclusion that must have been in the 80s, where most action/sci-fi movies simply involved the hero just straight up killing the bad guy in a display of ultra-manliness? But Star Wars was always more subtle than that and that isn't consistent with Luke's character.
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ForestLogic posted...

Also "the entire point of Luke's character" is up for debate. You might see it as humble everyman idiot, others see it as "the chosen one".

Then those others are missing the point.

The thing is....Star Wars is really a space western. And with that in mind, you'd expect Han Solo to be the hero of the story, with Luke Skywalker as his pretty boy, wide-eyed idealist sidekick. But A New Hope plays with the audience's expectations a bit in that it's really a space western mixed in a fantasy story. The wide-eyed idealist Luke Skywalker is really the central character here, and Han Solo is his foil.

And absolutely nothing throughout any of the original Star Wars movies would suggest that Luke is the "chosen one". The idea of a "Chosen One" didn't even come about until The Phantom Menace. Luke Skywalker was just an average, run-of-the-mill Force user who was slowly becoming a more capable warrior, but this whole idea that he's the strongest Force user to have ever lived was an idea that was only supported by the EU, which, btw, turned the Force from a mystical, metaphysical concept to the equivalent of Dragonball Z power levels where for a while it became a game of which Jedi/Dark Jedi could pull off the most ridiculous absurd shit.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

CyricZ posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

all of the cool stuff that happened to one of my favorite characters of all time was told via exposition

What cool stuff would this be?

creating a Jedi Academy, training Kylo, etc. everything that happened to Luke between VI and VII would have made for a wonderful Ep VII, instead of it being told via exposition during VIII.

They couldn't have done it that way, at least not for an entire movie. More than 30 years have passed since Return of the Jedi came out and the actors are all old now, so the time to show Luke Skywalker in his prime, at least in live-action, has long passed. .
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cjsdowg posted...

bloodydeath0 posted...

Luke turned Vader back to the light after a long struggle and a lot of lives lost. He sensed Kylo's heart had already been turned by Snoke, and he wanted to try to prevent the Vader-esque age of evil. Obi-Wan couldn't turn Anakin from the dark, and look what happened.

Luke had a long monologue about how he sensed the darkness growing and couldn't do anything to stop it. He talked about how he's sick of the endless cycle of the dark rising, and the light rising, and the clash.

I think that first parts shows why Luke would not try/almost/think (what ever you want to call it) the kid. Vader was already space Hitler and Luke went to him TO try to save him. Kylo was not there yet and Luke jumps to Order 66

Yeah but again, that was ages ago back when Luke was still naive and relatively new to this shit.

Now he's under the pressure of trying to restore an entire Galactic Order back to its former glory and upholding the peace that the galaxy fought so hard to win back. And maybe he's just a little bit jaded that after everything he went through to purge the galaxy of the dark side's presence, that it just keeps coming back.
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Because the entirety of Hollywood and one cable network are definitely the exact same thing.
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What was all that shit about a leaked Fallout 3 Remastered?

Is it possible we're getting both?
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

People who complain about Luke being mind fucked by a dark user of the force doesn't remember how both Anakin and Luer have shown particular vulnerability to being mind raped in the past.

I mean, the whole Skywalker bloodline is riddled with poor decision making and judgment.
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I don't even know why Drake would even begin to want beef with Pusha T tbh
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bloodydeath0 posted...

Luke turned Vader back to the light after a long struggle and a lot of lives lost. He sensed Kylo's heart had already been turned by Snoke, and he wanted to try to prevent the Vader-esque age of evil. Obi-Wan couldn't turn Anakin from the dark, and look what happened.

Luke had a long monologue about how he sensed the darkness growing and couldn't do anything to stop it. He talked about how he's sick of the endless cycle of the dark rising, and the light rising, and the clash.

Pretty much.
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I hope this game has an actual story though.
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HAHA YEAH MIGHT AS WELL considering the last Fallout game came out like 3 years ago
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Antifar posted...

Also, if Sonic is the fastest thing alive, a footrace doesn't exactly hold a lot of suspense.

I mean I guess, but that's what Shadow's there for.
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What's the upside?
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Thunderbolt is a special move on a pokemon meant for physical attacks.

So nah, it's a bad choice.
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cjsdowg posted...

Kylo was under Luke's charge and Luke even thinking about murdering him while he was sleeping is horrible.

I mean, if you had premonitions that the boy in front of you was going to become Space Hitler you'd probably question whether it'd be worth it for a greater good.

I will give you that it's a questionable story telling decision for him to not do anything to fix it though.
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Scotty_Rogers posted...

A car is a machine, and machines have been proven to be faster than Sonic (for an example, the hoverboards in Sonic Riders). Sonic is only the fastest thing alive, not the fastest thing in all existence; cars aren't alive.

But I'm pretty sure Sonic can move faster than the speed of sound

Antifar posted...

Also, more pressingly: cars are more fun to control.

I mean I guess.
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Well, on the bright side, I guess if any popular game franchise is suited to a Battle Royale-style game, it's Fallout.

I just hope they don't skimp out on the story, lore and exploration.
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but wait hold on, the idea of Sonic driving a car is so dumb to me
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Can you feel the sunshine, does it brighten up your day
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

*can convert one of the Emperor's longest, most feared servant of the dark side back to the light*

*tries to kill his nephew in his sleep because he "felt" he was going to the dark side"

Like Deadpool 2 said, that's just lazy writing

He didn't try to. He had a momentary lapse in judgment. He had already realized what he was thinking was wrong.

"Try" implies he actually went through with the action.
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So that guy is also saying that it isn't necessarily an MMO, just that it isn't strictly single-player.
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This reminds me of when everybody kept asking for KOTOR 3 and Bioware went "Yeah no but how about a new Star Wars MMO that's technically KOTOR 3 even though it isn't"
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cjsdowg posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

If someone said that to me, in a generalization, I wouldn't consider it an attack. At least, not a visceral attack. I'd be going out of my way to get super offended at it.

This is an attack on African-American intelligence and overall competences. This goes harpens back to the people suggesting black people are "Democratic Plantation". Moreover he says this in room full a white people, while randomly attacking famous black people. There is a reason most black people don't for republican, and them thinking we are too dumb to know what is best for us is one of them.

Yup.

It really is funny when Republicans pretty much assume we're too misinformed or uneducated and that's why we keep voting Democrat, and then wonder why we don't want to give them our vote.
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I live in literal Texas
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Ivynn posted...

If ESO is what's keeping ES6 from coming, then if a Fallout Online is successful we may also have a super long wait for Fallout 5 yikes

......fuck
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but desperately want back Jedi Master, blackhole creating Force Jesus Luke, even though the entire point of Luke's character was that he was the relatable everyman from humble beginnings still trying to figure shit out and wasn't some broken anime character who could simply storm into the Death Star 2.0 and shoot ki blasts at Darth Vader.
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It'd actually be cool if it was the rumored Fallout 5: New York and given all the skyscrapers in New York, the majority of the game took place underground in a giant Vault.
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what if it's a sequel to fallout 3
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Leanaunfurled posted...

So apparently some industry insiders are implying it's not a simple remaster or port. Plus, Bethesda is building up the hype too much, there'd be lashback at this point, Square Enix-style.

I'm thinking 3 remake.

If that's the case, I'm all for it.
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Probably in a random generator that combines religious figures with obscene objects.

I plan on naming my heavy metal band Buddha Tits
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And Light was a little bitch that got punked out by Misa or whatever her name was and L was doing sick ninja flips over fences and Light survived by falling off a ferris wheel into water

Do you remember that
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lmao
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2000
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SwayM posted...

Lowkey hate this.

Highkey 900
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IMDAGODDAMNBATMANNNNN!

(caps)
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I feel like Kendrick Lamar's done it a few times.
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Leanaunfurled posted...

Guys, I'm not sure if Chris Avellone is trolling us right now. :(

I wouldn't read too hard into it.

Would be awesome if Bethesda offered him a role as a lead writer for some Fallout projects though.
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