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papercup posted...

Level 28, I've discovered some 220 named locations.

Almost everything outside The Glowing Sea

I'm currently 29 and have 184 locations.

And I've avoided that area as well. I'm assuming the areas you've been to that I haven't yet are in the extreme northeast corner and down towards the airport, because I haven't gone into those regions yet.



papercup posted...

And that was really for the exp and so when I get quests I can just fast travel to where I need to go. I've cleared about 50 locations out.

Stats say I've cleared 35, but I'm not sure how accurate that is, because if you take long enough, older cleared areas do tend to reset. So I don't know if that number only means areas currently cleared, or cleared overall.

I've mainly only been clearing out non-quest based locations, so I can loot them for junk (mainly steel, and raider gear I can sell for caps) so I can fund my settlement building. I'm trying to build Sanctuary, Starlight Drive-In, County Crossing, and The Castle up as major hubs that connect all of my settlements, and I'm connecting every other settlement I find to one of those via trade routes, so I have a massive economic empire.



papercup posted...

Also I found the X-01 Enclave Power Armor in 35 Court so I'm happy about that.

I usually grab that, but so far this time I haven't yet.

I do have three suits at the moment though (all currently in Sanctuary). I grabbed two from unmarked locations in the northern parts of the map (both traincars, IIRC), and the third is the one you get from the main story.



papercup posted...

I actually haven't even entered Diamond City yet. >_> Now that I've been almost everywhere, I think I'm gonna try to do some quests until I hit 30 then power through the main story, since I've never actually completed it before. <_<

I haven't been to Diamond City yet either. I finished the main story quest in Concord to get the Minutemen into Sanctuary, and after that I've avoided the main story.

I'll probably eventually finish the story (Minuteman route) once I get all my settlements set up. But that will probably be a while.


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I own a 360 and a PS4, and I don't think I've seen a single game in 10+ years that I actually want to play that isn't on one of those two.


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Topics like this can generally be marked for harassment, because their main purpose is to trawl for negative comments about a specific user.


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We do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_English_creole_hypothesis


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HelIWithoutSin posted...

And everything you do

...makes me wanna go ooh ooh ooh ooh ooooh.


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I usually load up on Charisma and talk myself out of stuff (and you need at least rank 6 to set up fully leveled stores in settlements), along with Strength because I am a massive pack-rat and I basically REQUIRE Strong Back maxed out as a perk.


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Entity13 posted...

Ripping children from their families, with or without the intent to deter immigration, especially in a land built on the mere idea of immigrants being welcome? Evil and stupid; it's nothing short of that.

On the other hand, we implicitly accept the idea that it's humane, moral, and acceptable to remove children from parents when said parents are criminals, abusers, or considered corrupting influences (the entire reason child services departments exist).

If you extend that logic to the fact that illegal immigrants are, you know, illegal (ie, criminals), and that some immigrants do indeed exploit US citizenship laws to get their children born on US soil to exploit loopholes to get their own residency tacitly approved or supported, and an argument does arise that the morality of such becomes much murkier, and more rooted in HOW the process is handled rather than whether it happens at all.

There are very few issues in the world that are absolutely black-and-white. And no matter how much the Internet loves to portray Trump as a mustache-twirling supervillain, he doesn't go around doing things solely for the evil lulz.

If anything, that mentality undercuts a lot of his most vocal critics (and criticism in general), because it reduces the entire discussion to childish insults and whining, meaning even valid complaints get completely lost in the noise. When you are completely unwilling to even attempt to understand the logic behind someone's actions, dismiss literally everything they say or do, and never address issues based on actual logic or facts and but emotionally rant about how terrible they are (the classic ad hominem), the usual result is that you accomplish absolutely nothing, the person you're complaining about ceases the give a single shit about what you're saying, and everyone else starts ignoring both sides because it starts to look like a kindergarten slap fight.


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Mead posted...

I, Mead, am going to attempt to get along with Zeus

Or at the very least stop antagonizing him as much

No you're not. The two of you are like powerful trolling magnets, constantly drawn to each other, compelled to endlessly shit on each other, and destined to ruin every topic you both show up in as your constant back and forth brings down the discourse and draws in the other troll pilot fish to turn everything into a massive pissing match.

You two should just get a room and fuck to get it over with.

And we both know this topic is just another excuse for you to stealth troll him.


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papercup posted...

So last night I wasn't really having fun with the game. Everything was killing me in like two hits and I found myself reloading like 10 times in every encounter until I got through it. I was considering stopping and playing something else, then I thought "well, maybe I'm not supposed to be in this area yet" so I headed south towards Boston, and I just wandered around downtown for a few hours, just blowing up raiders and exploring abandoned buildings, and I gained like 7 more levels, and I'm having fun again. >_>

So the moral of the story is, fuck radscorpions and their 1 billion HP.

I've been skirting non-mission locations and looting tons of junk, then carting it all back to Sanctuary, which I've been building up like crazy (and I've been resorting to using the settlement size glitch to overbuild). I've basically turned it into a massive fortress of a town, but I haven't yet bothered to recruit Garvey and the others yet.

I've mostly cleared out the Northwest area and most of central Boston - at the moment I'm skirting around the edge of the Glowing Sea just trying to tick off more map locations.

I'm level 21 and pretty capable of defending myself (though I've taken zero combat perks so far because I've been taking settlement and building-based ones, along with Strong Back), but getting jumped by the occasional Yao Guai or Deathclaw makes for hectic situations.

(Fortunately, the water purifiers I've set up in Sanctuary - along with the absolute lack of settlers there - means that I'm constantly producing Purified Water for healing, which helps)



papercup posted...

Oh yeah, so the magazines you can find all over the place that grant perks. I'm not really sure I like that? Because they're so easy to get a lot of the perks aren't very good. Like, recover 1 HP every minute. Okay, so it's going to take me over 3 hours to fully regen? Ehhhh. It's such a negligible bonus I'm not really sure the point of it. I think I would prefer just getting stronger perks from completing long quest chains.

Regen is great over time while you're exploring. Not so much in the heat of combat, but if you take time to explore between fights, you're still recovering HP that you otherwise would have had to waste a healing item to get back. When I took Live Giver (+.5% HP per second), I noticed a huge difference - and that's honestly not more much than 1-3 HP per second depending on your max HP (or more accurately, it would take about 3 1/2 minutes to recover from 1 HP to max).

Plus, it also means you're fully healed every time you fast travel.

I don't mind minor incremental bonuses to stats, especially as minor rewards for static items you can find all over the place (and can actively seek out even early game, if you use a wiki or know where they are). Too powerful and they'd be game-breaking, or at least devalue the stronger perks you're taking when you level up.

On the subject of magazines, I've built 6 magazine display racks in my house in Sanctuary, and I'm trying to see how many I can find in my travels. Later on I'm probably going to start actively trying to track down all the ones I missed via the wiki, so I can have a full set.

At some point I need to track down all the bobbleheads as well - I think I have two in my current game (in my "main" game I found like six or so normally, and then I did a wiki-fueled collect-em-all for the trophy).


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Zareth posted...

It's a new studio using Bethesda's assets to make a new game in a short amount of time, Just like New Vegas

I wouldn't compare this to New Vegas.

If anything, the most apt comparison seems to be more Metal Gear Survive.


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Literally came in to this topic to post "You are part of the problem".

I feel so dirty now.


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Here's some real spoilers/speculation, based on cast sightings and pictures taken during filming:

Tony Stark is going to build a time machine, and they're going to wind up in the past - there are apparently scenes replicating the Battle of New York from the first Avengers movie, only with certain characters looking like their current day selves.

My suspicion is that Thor takes Tony to Nidavellir, where, along with Wong and his knowledge of the Time Stone, they find a way to build a time machine. Eventually they set things in motion to stop Thanos and undo what he did. This also explains why Doctor Strange was willing to sacrifice the Time Stone to protect Tony - because Tony needs to be alive to build the time machine in the only timeline where the Avengers win.

That would also tie into the proposed secret title of the fourth movie - Avengers Forever.

Conversely, they somehow manage to get the Gauntlet off Thanos (probably via time shenanigan means), and ultimately someone like Cap (because obviously Steve is the ready-made messiah here) puts it on and uses it to undo all of the harm he's done. But since the Gauntlet is already apparently damaged from killing off 1/2 the universe, fixing things will destroy it the rest of the way and kill the user. Steve goes out a hero and Chris Evans can retire from playing Cap the way he's wanted to for a while now. Then Tony retires and goes off with Pepper (potentially appearing for future cameo appearances or to bankrole future heroes), and we move into a new era for the films, with characters like Black Panther and Captain Marvel theoretically moving to the forefront.



Zikten posted...

anyway, yea, everyone's coming back. I would be shocked if that didn't happen

It literally happened in The Infinity Gauntlet - ie, the story where Thanos used the Gauntlet to kill off half the universe in issue #1. It took until issue #6 for it to be undone (though in-universe, the entire story only takes about 24 hours from start to finish).

In that version of the story the heroes manage to get the Gauntlet off Thanos, and Nebula gets her hands on it during the fight, and "wishes" that every single thing Thanos did with the Gauntlet be undone.

They called the movie "Infinity War" (which was the name of the second mini-series), but the entire plot is taken straight out of "Infinity Gauntlet" (the first mini-series). Yes, there are tweaks to accommodate how certain characters are different in the MCU (Nebula leaping to mind immediately), but it's probably the most faithful adaptation of an existing story they've ever done so far.

All that being said, we're probably never going to see a movie named "Infinity Crusade" (the third mini-series) or Infinity Abyss, Infinity Revelation, Infinity Entity, or Infinity Quest.



Zikten posted...

well in Fear Itself I think Tony went to the Dwarf realm and worked with some dwarf to build a new suit I think

Yes, he basically "sacrificed" his sobriety to Odin, who in turn let him work with the dwarves to forge weapons for the Avengers that they could use to defeat The Worthy.


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TigerTycoon posted...

Mead posted...

If there was science to it, it would no longer be magic

I think Marvel, where magic and science coexist, just says magic is a form of energy manipulation, and there have been cases where they can use science to manipulate magic.

That's more of a 90s Valiant line of thinking, where magic is literally the manipulation of specific energy fields modern science simply has yet to discover.

Marvel tends to operate more on the lines that magic is a distinct thing that can't really be quantified or defined, and which often flows directly from cosmically-powered godbeings who are the fundamental cornerstones of existence. Yes, magic can be treated like a science, and even understood like a science (and to some degree, the highest echelons of science can be treated like magic - see also, Hank Pym: Scientist Supreme), but there will always be some ineffable aspects of magic that can never truly be understood by mortals on any conscious level.


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TigerTycoon posted...

but The Last Jedi went out of its way to explain that the force will always equally balance light and dark for the purposes to ensuring they can make movies forever

But we've already been told that. The entire point of the prequels was that the Force was unbalanced, and apparently the Force itself literally manifested a divine birth godbaby to restore equilibrium.

In other words, the Force always seeks balance. If either the Dark OR the Light grows too strong, the Force will likely start fucking with things to rebalance the universe (and an argument can be made that Anakin bringing balance to the Force actually meant destroying the JEDI, since they were the galaxy-spanning organization of hundreds of influential warrior monks while there were only two Sith). Kreia explicitly mentions this sort of thing in Knights of the Old Republic as the reason why she hates the Force. It's been a concept long before Disney owned the franchise, let alone before they let a lunatic write and direct The Last Jedi apparently without any real supervision or direction.

And to be fair, it's not even necessarily a terrible narrative concept if handled correctly. It was a core theme in Final Fantasy III, certain settings assume it in D&D, every story Michael Moorcock has ever written, and so on. Hell, there was even a storyline in X-Men back in the 80s where they effectively manage to imprison the literal avatar of chaos for all eternity, only for the official overseer of universal order to set him free again, because the universe needs chaos to exist.

A lot of settings that use the "balance is better than extreme good or extreme evil/extreme order or extreme chaos" logic also tend to couch it in terms of the constant dynamic struggle between the two forces being what powers the universe, acting as the engine for growth, change, and renewal.

In the context of the Force, it's kind of a given that you can't have new life without death. Decay, while something we fear and shun in the specific sense, is also necessary to recirculate resources back into the circle of life.


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Far-Queue posted...

He has a good point, but... man, he really padded that out. Could've made that video a minute long

A lot of YouTubers do that. Mainly because of how YouTube's bullshit demonetization metrics work - there's a strong impetus to make every video last over 10 minutes (or at least as long as possible).


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I_Abibde posted...

Heathcliff is to Garfield & Friends what Go-Bots used to be to Transformers, IMO.

Heathcliff himself was ehh, but the Catillac Cats were great.

And if we're going to be honest, Cleo was one of those characters from 80s cartoons that are probably responsible for a lot of modern furries.


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Keebs05 posted...

You can start by not churning a new one out every year. This isn't Assassin's Creed.

To be fair, even Assassin's Creed shouldn't be coming out one per year.


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TigerTycoon posted...

Makes more sense than The Last Jedi claiming The Force is distributed to wherever the plot requires it.

Ehh. It's always been established canon in Star Wars that the Force is literally everywhere, and that the ability to sense and influence it is theoretically inherent in every living thing.

While it's also implied that being really strong in the Force like Anakin/Luke/etc is rare, it's also implied that even something as mundane as "being lucky" is a subconscious manifestation of the Force, so there's a metric shitton of people in the universe who are at least potential Force users. Or who are actively using the Force every day of their lives without even realizing it.

Then you get into implied questions of the nature of training (ie, training to be a Jedi may make a person's innate connection to the Force stronger, but someone would have to have been fully manifested as a Force user long before the Jedi existed to create the Jedi in the first place) and opportunities (ie, in the Old Republic the Jedi would track down children strong in the Force and train them to be Jedi, but for the last few decades many of those people will essentially have lain dormant with no one to teach them - but they'd still have their inherent affinity, and some of them could easily manifest on their own in some way with or without a teacher).

If anything, perhaps the lesson of the sequels should have been that there will ALWAYS be those who can use the Force in the universe, and that without a group like the Jedi to shepherd and police those people, it's almost an inevitability that Dark Side users like the Sith would arise again (and worse, because the "new Sith" would effectively lack the self-control and limiting factors like the "Rule of Two" to keep them in check - now imagine dozens of Force-powered warlords scattered across the galaxy, raising their own private armies, and waging war on each other to establish final dominance).


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CyborgSage00x0 posted...

^It doesn't help that I have a general disdain to any and all spin-offs and reboots.

A healthy attitude to have, though one likely to cause you a great deal of discomfort in the dark years to come.


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adjl posted...

Given the fact that they avoided even mentioning the Switch, the specific issue at hand, or any sort of explanation for why the issue occurred, I'm inclined to say they should fall toward the upper end of your scale. It seems pretty deliberate to me.

Nah, that's standard industry damage control spin. It's basically an attempt to apologize without actually admitting you did anything wrong, while also refusing to reveal details for fear that you might make things worse.

It basically says absolutely nothing about the actual facts of what happened or what the motivations were.

That's part of why I said I was genuinely curious about those details - because I'm fully aware no one involved (whether Sony, Epic, or even unknown third parties) will ever openly admit to anything, so all we'll ever really have to go on is hearsay and speculation.


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dragon504 posted...

The only real bonus I give to Fallout 3, is that its world was more open.

I kind of consider that one of its negatives. Because its non-linear openness plays a large role in why almost nothing that happens in the entire wasteland actually matters in any meaningful way.

It's a problem a lot of open world games have, and one of the reasons why the recent obsession with open world design has hurt a lot of otherwise narrative-focused developers (*cough*Bioware*cough*).



dragon504 posted...

Smarkil posted...

dragon504 posted...
The new power armor is basically the only thing I thought they did right in the game.

I like the frame, different parts aspect, but the power core part is annoying.

The only problem I had with the cores was how they handled the mechanics of when the game automatically switches out a depleted core for a fresh one, and that mostly because I'm a bit OCD. Namely, I was annoyed that it would always immediately jump to a fully charged core rather than using the partially drained ones first, so depending on how you deal with cores/armor, and if you have a habit of removing cores from armor whenever you get out of it (to prevent NPCs from stealing it), you wind up with a ton of unstacked cores in your inventory with different charge values.

Other than that, I actually kind of like how Fallout 4 handles power armor. Though part of that might be because I almost never used power armor in 3 or NV due to the training and repair requirements, but Fallout 4's more simplified mechanics meant I was more likely to use it for major story missions (ie, if I knew in advance I was going to head knee-deep into shit, and the extra armor might be the difference between life and death).

Also, there's just something viscerally satisfying with having multiple suits of power armor standing against a wall (or a separate suit stationed in every settlement), whereas in the previous games I'd just shove it in a chest and see it as nothing more than a line of text in an inventory menu.


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Zareth posted...

Who's driving, bear is driving, how can that beeeeee

Big American party!

Everybody disco dancing!

Axel Foley and Judge Reinhold!


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Zareth posted...

Why is Rich Evans wearing a Star Wars shirt? He hates Star Wars.

That's not true at all:





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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh_son_of_a_seventh_son


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AllstarSniper32 posted...

Wait, this is based on a book?

Based on a series of books:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Magicians_(Grossman_novel)


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Kyuubi4269 posted...

NV literally only did combat better.

And narrative.

And characterization.

And general dialogue writing.

And quest design and interaction.

And survival mechanics.

And general leveling.

And soundtrack.

And color palette.

And... well, you get the idea.


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Revelation34 posted...

Wat.

You heard me.


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adjl posted...

I'm fairly ambivalent about cross-platform play

It's completely useless for me in the sense that I only play on the PS4 (and the 360), and if I want to play with my friends we all own the same consoles, so there's never going to be a time when I want to play with someone specific on a different platform than mine (even aside from the fact that I mostly shun open multiplayer anyway).

But I acknowledge that it's a more important issue for other people, and that just in general it means that multiplayer games can have larger pool of players to draw from for things like matchmaking and server population.

Then again, considering the differences in user-base across different platforms (ie, the GTAO PC userbase being somewhat more toxic and assholish than the console userbase, or the general demographic differences between players on Xbox Live, PSN, or the Switch), technical issues (ie, GTAO having a greater problem with hackers and griefers on PC than console, which could theoretically impact console players negatively if they were shoved into servers with PC players), and the potential disparity created by different input schemes (ie, PC gamers using keyboard/mouse versus console gamers using controllers), I'm not entirely opposed to platform segregation as an idea regardless.

If anything, I personally probably benefit more from a total lack of cross-platform play than I do from universal cross-platform play.



adjl posted...

but bullshit like Sony pulled with Fortnite (anyone who logged into an Epic Games account to play Fortnite on a PS4 had that account blocked from playing on Switch) needs to stop yesterday.

I'm honestly curious as to what the actual background details of that are, but I also suspect we're never really going to know what they were.

ie, was that a technical issue that caused that to work that way, and if so, was it completely accidental or something Sony specifically required from Epic? Or just an unavoidable side-effect of how Sony has specifically designed their code architecture? Also, if it WAS deliberate, what were the specific requirements and discussions involving the issue behind the scenes?

Whether or not Sony should eat tons of shit for it happening probably hinges on just what the motivations were behind it happening. Basically, I see it as a scale of "They should take a little shit because it was a technical error" up to "They should eat a lot of shit because their logic was 'Fuck anyone who plays anything other than a PS4'."

Not that it effects me at all, considering I have no intention of playing any game this generation unless it's on the PS4, and no intention of playing Fortnite or any other Epic game ever. But still.


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helIy posted...

are you sure it's not because their movies suck assy shit

I came into this topic to suggest that would be appropriate as a theme because reading their comics over the last few years could cause PTSD and depression, and now I feel curiously hollow inside.



Zikten posted...

I still see the comics as the definitive version of Marvel and DC and no matter how bad the movies are, the comics are still good

Not since 2011, no.


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CyborgSage00x0 posted...

and yes, I believe the all-female cast was one of the reasons (though not the primary one)

I think Paul Feig being director and his willingness to indulge in and encourage improv on the part of the actors was probably the primary factor for that movie being a massive shit-show, leading me to believe it would have been terrible regardless of who they cast.

On the flip-side, those particular actresses aren't universally terrible in everything else they do, so I can only assume that with an actual decent script and skilled direction, it could have been a worthwhile movie even with the emphasis on "lolwomen!"

I kind of feel the same way about Oceans 8, though we'll see how that particular one goes.


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Cruddy_horse posted...

Also I think it's kind of weird they have immediately gone back to yearly releases. I thought they wanted to avoid series fatigue and a two or so year gap for one game isn't much of one considering how many they've already shat out.

That was their excuse, but it might have just been PR spin for the delay while they built their new engine, and now that they have it, they're willing to go back to yearly releases and exploiting the franchise for all its worth.



Mead posted...

I actually like the Egypt one, but is it just me or does this new Odyssey one look really bad?

It's kind of the opposite for me. Origins did absolutely nothing for me, and pretty much every major change they made felt like a downgrade from how they handled Syndicate (which I really enjoyed). But what I've seen of Odyssey has at least perked me up a bit, enough that I might actually pay attention to future info about the game, whereas if it had just looked like a direct and exact sequel to Origins I probably wouldn't have cared in the slightest.

Granted, it may still turn out to be complete shit, but now I'm intrigued enough to start looking deeper when the time comes.


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Romance of the Three Kingdoms: Assassins could be cool. But you just know they'd force you to side with the punks from Shu (those sorts of games always seem to), when I'd much rather be hanging out with Cao Cao and Wei-ing it up.

Could be exceedingly interesting if they did a faction/multiple ending sort of scenario where you pick your side, but the AC games have never worked that way and I don't really see them ever going that way.


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PuddingBoy posted...

New Vegas was a hot fucking mess on release for far too long.

I find it hard to hold that against it, partly because most of those bugs were a combination of Bethesda's legendary shitty coding/engine combined with Obsidian being forced to work with someone else's code (meaning they were less experienced with dealing with how utterly broken it is and working around known problems), and partly because I'm intelligent enough at this point to NEVER buy any game Bethesda has anything to do with in the first few months (let alone being insane enough to buy it on release day). It's pretty much mandatory to wait until at least 3-4 major bug fix patches have been released before you should even consider playing one of their games.

But ultimately, when you judge the final product version of the game, it's pretty damned good. And relatively bug-free for the most part (at least in my experience - I've had way more game freezes or game-breaking bugs playing Fallout 3 and 4 than I did in NV).



PuddingBoy posted...

And I'm of the faction that can appreciate and like both 3 and NV cause they both have things they do well.

I tend to side with NV hard, because I honestly can't think of a single thing I think Fallout 3 did better. Like, at all.

New Vegas was a strong enough game that I've played through it six times, and each time I made a character that character had a relatively distinct personality in my head (making different choices in quests, recruiting different companions, siding with different factions, etc). Meanwhile, whenever I think about Fallout 3, I usually just think of new logic flaws or problems I have with the game, and I've never been able to play through it more than once without boredom creep and narrative dissonance.



PuddingBoy posted...

Also anyone expecting 4 to be like NV when 1) it was made by a completely different company and 2) goes against what modern bethesda does (dumb everything down to reach a wider consumer base) was horribly misguided.

The main assumption was that Bethesda would actually be intelligent enough to pay attention to what gamers actually liked about New Vegas, and then incorporate those ideas into Fallout 4. Them saying things like how they were adding factions and making it possible to romance companions really only strengthened those assumptions, because faction dynamics and stronger companion personalities were two major things people preferred about NV. So it was kind of justifiable for people to assume Bethesda was going that way.

But what those people failed to realize is that Bethesda had already had prior examples of what people liked and enjoyed in a Fallout game (ie, Fallout 1 and 2), yet failed to understand pretty much everything about what made those games special in the first place, latching onto the superfluous details of the setting and the aesthetic without really understanding the underlying themes or mood of the setting.

Part of what made New Vegas great (and why so many older gamers loved it) was partly the fact that it was pretty much the only game released in the last 20 years or so that was actually a Fallout game.


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He's going to fight for Bellator as more of an attraction than a legitimate competitor, or he's going to do something like "All In" or special attraction matches for Ring of Honor or New Japan. He repeatedly says he doesn't love wrestling and isn't interested in it, but what he really means is that he still hates the WWE.

And it's currently one of the best times for non-WWE guys to make a living outside of the WWE (and a perfect opportunity for someone like Punk to help sell out RoH or NJPW shows to piss Vince and Hunter off). Especially with the recent news that the WWE pissed off MSG in New York, leading them to agree to host a RoH show there - making it the first non-WWE event in the Garden for almost a century - and with New Japan starting to pull feelers out on the West Coast to see if they can sell shows (and All In selling out in Chicago opens a lot of doors).

Or he's going to retire, because apparently he was smart enough to save most of his money, so he's not really hurting for cash even after the whole BS court case against him. Supposedly he can pretty much live comfortably for the rest of his life without hurting for a paycheck.


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PuddingBoy posted...

I still haven't given Fallout 4 a shot since I've heard its a major downgrade from 3/NV. Don't know what it's priced at now but the 76 news has me itching to try it out now. Might grab it if it goes on steam sale soon.

Gameplay, story, and graphics are all much better than 3.

It doesn't really match New Vegas, though. A lot of the people who were disappointed by 4 when it came out were mostly mad because they were hoping for New Vegas Part 2, when what we actually got was a pure sequel to 3.

It's also why a lot of people were hoping that Fallout 76 would be the Fallout 4 engine version of New Vegas, and why those people are bitterly disappointed that we basically got Ark: Survival Evolved reskinned to look like Fallout.


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THEGODDAMNBATMA posted...

ParanoidObsessive posted...

dragon504 posted...

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everyone on the internet has at least seen PPP or Ultimate Showdown you god damn liars.

I've heard of the Ultimate Showdown and I'm aware of what it is, but everything about it seemed stupid to me so I've never watched it.

I've never actually heard of a single other thing on the poll.


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dragon504 posted...

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I know nothing about that game, but if I were trying to come up with a fake pretentious pseudo-artsy title for a fictional game in a story I was writing, that's totally the sort of thing I would come up with.


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Zeus posted...

dioxxys posted...

Mead posted...

Most people that talk crap on the internet would never have the nerve to do so in person

I also imagine most of these infamous trolls are actually teenagers

It's a popular cliche, but I doubt it's actually the case since most of the people with strong opinions on the franchise as a whole tend to be old enough to have been outraged over the prequel trilogy.

To be fair, most of the people whining about shit online likely aren't teenagers physically, but they're certainly on the level of teenagers (or worse) in terms of emotional and psychological development. Mature adults have more important things to do than bitch to (or at) strangers about inconsequential bullshit. Especially ones who are actually living lives, raising families, worrying about deadlines at work or trying to pay bills.

The modern era has created a ton of manchildren (and female manchildren - womanchildren?). Culture as a whole is sort of bordering on a case of arrested development in a lot of ways (at least in the West). And the loudest, most active bleaters have all discovered that the Internet gives them a voice more powerful than they ever would have had at any other point in human history, and they're exploiting the fuck out of it.

Arguably, there's a discussion to be had involving cultural touchstones - early in human history "adulthood" was pretty much determined by biology, and when you were capable of making babies. Then agriculture sort of drew a line between adult and child that was more defined by what tasks you were capable of doing in terms of labor. The entire concept of "teenage" didn't exist prior to the Industrial Revolution or so, where the need for greater technical skills led to a requirement for more specialized schooling over a longer period of time, and an argument can be made that the more recent technological and computer revolutions have extended that nebulous "half-adult" state to even older ages, where twentysomething college students are still effectively children in adult bodies in a lot of ways.

If anything, future technological advances and increased human lifespan statistics may require a complete reevaluation of what "adult" actually is at this point, or indeed, the entire human lifespan in terms of psycho-social development. It's a redefinition that we're already starting to approach with things like the idea of moving "retirement age" beyond 65.


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Metalsonic66 posted...

You might find you like it more than you would expect. But I know your tastes don't necessarily line up with others.

Keep in mind, I'm not saying "I looked at it and didn't think it looked interesting, so I avoided it." I HAVE actually played a bit of it, and didn't necessarily like it.

I'm also fully aware of the plot, and it does little for me. I was actually one of the people arguing in favor of Joel not being "the bad guy" in a topic on this board back when the first game came out.

Again, I can see what some people see in the game (I'm not saying it's objectively terrible), it just doesn't click with me in any meaningful way. It's telling a story I'm not overly inclined to participate in.



Raganork posted...

At least with something like Horizon you've got a unique spin on the post-apocalyse setting with the cybernetic/primitive hybrid, just for one example.

I absolutely loved Horizon. That clicked with me on a lot of different levels (in spite of me being trepidatious about the combat before release), and it managed to move me emotionally in ways that a lot of games (and even movies) simply don't. I definitely hope they do a sequel, but I'm also glad they didn't shit one out quick to capitalize on its success.



The Wave Master posted...

From what I've seen I have been most impressed with The Resident Evil 2 remake.

I believe for me that's my game of show.

The graphics and the atmosphere are top notch. It's a very dark game literally and figuratively. Plus the changes made from the original game are more than enough to keep me interested.

My wife works at night so I'm alone by myself with the kitty cats, and I hear weird noises all night. I'm prepared to be scared and freaked out for 12 plus hours in 4k.

I think RE2 was my first "survival horror" game back in the day. My first experience with it was playing it in college, over a weekend, when all of my roommates weren't going to be around and I'd have the apartment to myself, and I decided to play the whole game with all the lights turned off for ambience.

By the end of the game, every single light in my apartment was turned on, every door was open, the front door had the chain lock bolted, and I was sort of sitting crouched in a fetal ball on the couch with my legs sort of tucked up into my chest. The mood and tone of that game got deep into my head and was creepy in a way no RE game has been for me since (RE7 looks like it might be able to engender that same sort of creep-out factor, but I've never played it and I've seen full Let's Plays of the game, so I probably never will at this point).

There was never really all that many horror games from back in the day that ever really creeped me out in any way. The Fatal Frame games were pretty consistent along those lines, though, and the first Clock Tower game (first in the US, anyway) managed pretty well, but after those either the games got tamer or I just got more jaded.

I've kind of grown out of the genre though. Even with the recent glut of YouTube-bait jump-scare horror games getting tons of praise, I've never really felt the need to play any of them.


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EclairReturns posted...

I sense that people will come into your topic berating you about an alcohol problem you may or may not have.

I sense that someone who would make a statement like that certainly has SOME sort of problem, thouhg I don't know if it's necessarily an alcohol problem.


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Lokarin posted...

I used to singe countertenor, but I haven't sung or even barely spoken in decades

Same, more or less (though I was deep baritone shading into bass).

I used to sing in chorus in high school, and I was good enough that the woman running it used to want me to do solos. And I later sang in a band that was good enough to get a few local gigs booked, though most of the people in it weren't super motivated by the idea of becoming professional musicians, so it never really went anywhere.

To bring it back to this site being about video games, I always took the singer roll in the Rock Band games that allowed for singers. And I bought all the Karaoke Revolution games back in the day and racked up major high scores for most songs.


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Metalsonic66 posted...

the gameplay and story are absolutely top-notch.

I'm not really a fan of either.

I understand why some people do, but I don't.


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When someone wants to censor something for sex, they're usually coming from the Right. When someone wants to censor something due to violence, they're usually coming from the Left.

In the same vein, Right-influenced censorship tends to be rooted in morality, while Left-influenced censorship tends to be rooted in emotionality. The Right wants to censor things they think corrupt the moral and ethical side of society, the Left tends to go after things they think are disruptive to social harmony.

But both sides feel like there are ideas that need to be silenced or condemned, because they assume people aren't capable of making their own decisions and need to be protected from their own weakness. And both sides abuse the fuck out of the "Think of the children!" argument.


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Dikitain posted...

4 could have easily been subtitled Cyrodiil, I will say that Oblivion does sound better.

To be fair, if you assume the core naming convention of the series is "Named after the place most of the adventure takes place in", you could almost make an argument that Oblivion works perfectly because you spend like half your time there, and it's the motivating factor for the entire thing.


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As long as we stick entirely to "directed by" (and focus on the elements a director is specifically responsible for) and not "written by" (and thus completely ignore the narrative and characterization), you MIGHT have an argument.

But even then, I'd argue half of the other movies he's directed are better than Revenge of the Sith anyway.


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ThickDaddy posted...

So basically they were disorganized and mixed me up with another applicant and I got screwed out of a chance at this job.

If they're that disorganized, do you really want to work there in the first place?

It would probably suck the first time they accidentally send your pay checks to the wrong address, or accidentally fire demote you instead of promote you because of an administrative snafu.


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Raganork posted...

At this point, if a trailer involves a man (or woman) slowly trudging through beautiful scenery set to somber music, I immediately lose interest. So no, I don't care about Death Stranding, Anthem, The Last of Us 2, The Division 2, or practically any melodramatic shooter.

Wat.

I'll double down on that, and mention that I didn't give much of a fuck about the first Last of Us.

In fact, I think I still have free download code for the game somewhere that I never used because I couldn't be bothered.


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Lokarin posted...

No Steam; No Care

No Woman, No Cry


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Greenfox111 posted...

as a TRUE gamer who understands that GAMEPLAY is more important than silly aesthetics, i can confirm that fallout 4 is bad but not because of FACIAL ANIMATIONS lol. wrong again mead, try again next time

I won't say I necessarily even disagree with you, but man this post is pretty much dripping with ignorance and pretentious douchbaggery. I got second-hand embarrassment shivers just reading it.


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