Board 8 > Phoenix Wright Mafia Topic 9: You're... You're Mystic Maya's... special someone

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My Immortal posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Counterpoint: Tournament of Villains/Heroes Mafia or whatever it was called- I was outed/scanned admitted scum and used the argument "Oh, compared to the other scum, I'm not as much as a threat, you can leave me until tomorrow" My plan was to just take it one day at a time. What happened "tomorrow"? We lynched someone else. And then the next day. And then Town was in a rock and a hard place because I'd lied about my role, and fast typing by Tange is the only thing that kept me from winning.

One of my favorite games ever.

I'll actually add that I was almost able to pull out a win because I was a secret triple-voter and kept that hidden until the last possible moment.

Scum having something like a one-shot DV that they've kept in their back pocket is NOT something out of the question.
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If your argument is that town is too stupid to lynch me D7 so it's risky to keep me alive then that's actually a fine argument

But then you must understand my fear of leaving a town that stupid to finish the game right?

To sum it up
1. Kill me by D7 or else. It can be D6 or even today if you realllyyyyy want to kill a scanner. Who else has made an ultimatum like while winning as scum?
2. No one scan me, I will be confirmed town when I die
3. Everyone needs to have strong scum reads before the end of today or else you will screw up the game
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foolm0r0n posted...

strong scum reads

That is, given that I flip town, what would your strongest scum reads be?
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FD/DYL
Donk/Shattered
Arti

In tiered order.
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If you are town and we mislynch our way to Day 7, where would a Day 7 mislynch of you put us? Because with the suggested game balance, that puts us in an awful place.

Would you really be willing to let us still lynch you Day 7 in that scenario if you're town?

ShatteredElysium posted...

If you are town and we mislynch our way to Day 7, where would a Day 7 mislynch of you put us? Because with the suggested game balance, that puts us in an awful place.

Good point, I'm assuming NLs to D7 before you lynch me.

If we mislynch someone else today (vanilla or something) then lynch me D6. This will leave us with 1 more ML (and 1 more NL which like... let's use it??). This should actually be the way to go because MI will definitely be left alive tonight and I will GLADLY get lynched in MI's place.

LYNCH ME D6 YOU NERDS

^is this how Nana stayed alive as scum in that last game?
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foolm0r0n posted...

If your argument is that town is too stupid to lynch me D7 so it's risky to keep me alive then that's actually a fine argument

But then you must understand my fear of leaving a town that stupid to finish the game right?

To sum it up
1. Kill me by D7 or else. It can be D6 or even today if you realllyyyyy want to kill a scanner. Who else has made an ultimatum like while winning as scum?
2. No one scan me, I will be confirmed town when I die
3. Everyone needs to have strong scum reads before the end of today or else you will screw up the game

"I'm scared Town is too stupid to win this game."

*Town has lynched 4 straight scum and the only technical ML is a modkill.
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Hey fool

I don't know if this has just gotten lost in the day or not

But who do you think is scum?
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Nanahara715 posted...

"I'm scared Town is too stupid to win this game."

*Town has lynched 4 straight scum and the only technical ML is a modkill.

You're the one saying they're too stupid to lynch me D6/7. So which is it?

It seems like you just want me dead today, period. No logic at all behind it. Pure bloodthirst. Not scummy necessarily, just annoying.
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foolm0r0n posted...

ShatteredElysium posted...

If you are town and we mislynch our way to Day 7, where would a Day 7 mislynch of you put us? Because with the suggested game balance, that puts us in an awful place.

Good point, I'm assuming NLs to D7 before you lynch me.

If we mislynch someone else today (vanilla or something) then lynch me D6. This will leave us with 1 more ML (and 1 more NL which like... let's use it??). This should actually be the way to go because MI will definitely be left alive tonight and I will GLADLY get lynched in MI's place.

LYNCH ME D6 YOU NERDS

^is this how Nana stayed alive as scum in that last game?

Here's how I stayed alive, if you really care:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1016-forum-mafia/76305644?page=3
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My Immortal posted...

But who do you think is scum?

I posted earlier about it
FD
Donk
Arti

I don't have very strong scumreads on others though, but I'm cautious of these
DYL
Death

And these don't feel towny at all but not very scummy either (replacements are weird)
Col
SE

The rest feel town
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foolm0r0n posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

"I'm scared Town is too stupid to win this game."

*Town has lynched 4 straight scum and the only technical ML is a modkill.

You're the one saying they're too stupid to lynch me D6/7. So which is it?

It seems like you just want me dead today, period. No logic at all behind it. Pure bloodthirst. Not scummy necessarily, just annoying.

I think Town is quite capable of winning, so we should lynch you today to put us closer to that goal.

Tbqh, and this isn't why I specifically want to lynch you, but I'd love to just wreck scum straight and not have the game last fucking forever. The longer a game goes on, the more likely it is a replace might be needed. Given we've had topics purge, any town player whom gets replaced benefits scum tremendously.

I never understood the "bloodthirst" argument. Like, you must lynch people to win the game. It's like you're playing Con Mafia. Literally when I tried to lynch someone in the mafia game I was playing during D1 the answer from everyone was "Oh he's bloodthirsty, let's lynch him" as if it isn't the entire fucking point of the game.
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foolm0r0n posted...

My Immortal posted...

But who do you think is scum?

I posted earlier about it
FD
Donk
Arti

I don't have very strong scumreads on others though, but I'm cautious of these
DYL
Death

And these don't feel towny at all but not very scummy either (replacements are weird)
Col
SE

The rest feel town

So process of elimination, his top 4 Town are:

Me
Corrik
MI (scanner)
Shad (scanner)
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Walk me through Arti. Did you come in today suspecting him? Or was it POE after claims?
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I've been suspecting him for a while, but his kind of super passive light play always suspects me. He was on the scum lynches D1-3, towards the backend. But he didn't vote Han at all D4. There's no real claims or anything that point to him either. That's the danger of the quiet player.

Anyways, only one of him or FD can be godfather, and I would rather go for FD first.
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foolm0r0n posted...

I've been suspecting him for a while, but his kind of super passive light play always suspects me. He was on the scum lynches D1-3, towards the backend. But he didn't vote Han at all D4. There's no real claims or anything that point to him either. That's the danger of the quiet player.

Anyways, only one of him or FD can be godfather, and I would rather go for FD first.

Why can't Donk (also on your scum list) or DYL (on your cautious list) be Godfather?
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foolm0r0n posted...

I've been suspecting him for a while,

MI should've scanned someone other than Arti.

Our town play is good but our scans are s***.

???
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My Immortal posted...

foolm0r0n posted...

I've been suspecting him for a while,

MI should've scanned someone other than Arti.

Our town play is good but our scans are s***.

???

Oof
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Oh no you caught me and now I'm going to be lynched. What an unfortunate turn of events. I was so close to getting away with it.

I was suspicious of Arti already and felt him playing godfatherly, so a town scan on him didn't help me at all. If FD flips GF then obviously it's a good scan.

Donk is not playing like GF at all so I would've felt way better with a town scan on him. He could obviously be GF but I don't think so. I think he could be regular scum though.

This is also a downfall of town late-game, btw. You're punishing people for saying their thoughts spontaneously and being open. You're punishing people for changing their reads (or just adding to reads, not even changing them, see: my D1 Chris). If you attack people for anything less than a well-calculated scum-coached post, you end up mislying town day after day and then wonder how lowkey scum like Arti made it through the days.
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How does one act godfathery and how was arti doing this?
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foolm0r0n posted...

Oh no you caught me and now I'm going to be lynched. What an unfortunate turn of events. I was so close to getting away with it.

I was suspicious of Arti already and felt him playing godfatherly, so a town scan on him didn't help me at all. If FD flips GF then obviously it's a good scan.

Donk is not playing like GF at all so I would've felt way better with a town scan on him. He could obviously be GF but I don't think so. I think he could be regular scum though.

This is also a downfall of town late-game, btw. You're punishing people for saying their thoughts spontaneously and being open. You're punishing people for changing their reads (or just adding to reads, not even changing them, see: my D1 Chris). If you attack people for anything less than a well-calculated scum-coached post, you end up mislying town day after day and then wonder how lowkey scum like Arti made it through the days.

We aren't even in the fucking end game holy shit
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##unvote
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##Vote: fool
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Personally, one of the things that bothers me the most about Foolmo is that he insists on continuing to call himself a scanner and keeps acting like his role and the way it works should be treated the same as the other investigation claims.
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My apologies for my scarceness today. I got stuck on a double shift and before that started ive been trying to figure out why my health insurance plan was deactivated without warning.

Suffice to say this was not a great example of a ful length day resulted in more activity but at least we have SE at least somewhat up to speed.
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What's your scumlist FD?
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Votes Mcgoats

[4] Foolmo - (Corrik), NewDonker, (Nana), Nana, ColZach, (Corrik), MI
[1] FD - (Nana), Death
[1] No Lynch - FoolMo
[0] DYL - (MI), (Corrik)
[0] Corrik - (Foolmo)
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benjamin3740 posted...

Votes Mcgoats

[4] Foolmo - (Corrik), NewDonker, (Nana), Nana, ColZach, (Corrik), MI
[1] FD - (Nana), Death
[1] No Lynch - FoolMo
[0] DYL - (MI), (Corrik)
[0] Corrik - (Foolmo)

I'm not crazy, day ends tonight in 3:39, yes?
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Nanahara715 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Votes Mcgoats

[4] Foolmo - (Corrik), NewDonker, (Nana), Nana, ColZach, (Corrik), MI
[1] FD - (Nana), Death
[1] No Lynch - FoolMo
[0] DYL - (MI), (Corrik)
[0] Corrik - (Foolmo)

I'm not crazy, day ends tonight in 3:39, yes?

Confirm
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Nanahara715 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Votes Mcgoats

[4] Foolmo - (Corrik), NewDonker, (Nana), Nana, ColZach, (Corrik), MI
[1] FD - (Nana), Death
[1] No Lynch - FoolMo
[0] DYL - (MI), (Corrik)
[0] Corrik - (Foolmo)

I'm not crazy, day ends tonight in 3:39, yes?

that's correct
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Nanahara715 posted...

We aren't even in the fucking end game holy shit

We've mass claimed. It's late game. Stop with these childish tantrums over ever little thing. I thought Ulti was banned from this game?

You have nothing to say against my post though huh, just anger that I am right? You are the one attacking town play and trying to lynch town the next 3 nights. Have some introspection and fix your shit so we can win this game.

I'm a scanner though. I get info from the host. It's at least a 0.5 scan like roleblocker according to Corrik's notation.
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Let's imagine for a minute that Foolmo is both Town and the best player on the board such that his reads are correct.

That means to force a majority to NL, he needs 6 players (half).

He's unlikely to be getting his "top town guys" in me, Shad, MI, and Corrik, based on previous statements by these players/ some of us are voting for him. The two scum in this case also would not want to NL.

So he has to get all the remaining players, at least one of whom he has declared as likely scum.

So I'm not sure what he's really trying to do here.

Side note: the whole "leave me alive til Day 7" makes perfect sense in a world where Foolmo is Godfather and knows his flip today basically would confirm Arti, FD, and MI, and along with [not quite confirmed but I like a lot as Town Corrik and Shad] puts too many confirmed town on the board for them to deal with.
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foolm0r0n posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

We aren't even in the fucking end game holy shit

We've mass claimed. It's late game. Stop with these childish tantrums over ever little thing. I thought Ulti was banned from this game?

You have nothing to say against my post though huh, just anger that I am right? You are the one attacking town play and trying to lynch town the next 3 nights. Have some introspection and fix your shit so we can win this game.

I'm a scanner though. I get info from the host. It's at least a 0.5 scan like roleblocker according to Corrik's notation.

It's day 5. For mafia to win, this game probably has to go to at least Day 9. Mid-game at best.

Bold doesn't make any sense because 1) you don't lynch at night and 2) I haven't made any comments about lynching any specific players tomorrow or the day after the entirety of today, so you're putting words in my mouth at worst or confusing me with someone else at best (which would be bad and inattentive Town play)
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foolm0r0n posted...

You have nothing to say against my post though huh, just anger that I am right? You are the one attacking town play and trying to lynch town the next 3 nights. Have some introspection and fix your shit so we can win this game.

You don't know this for sure. Unless you're scum, of course
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Looking through Scare's reads from yesterday to see if there's any particular reason he was targeted for the night kill.

Jeeze, that topic being closed makes quoting obnoxious.

Topic 8

Post 47 - Scare says FD wouldn't copy a list from scumboards but may have prepared one for it. Although this seems half in jest

Post 50 - He thinks Fool is scum

Post 61 - Says Han being scum doesn't clear Shad from being scum

Post 76 - Again calls Fool scum

Post 93 - Highlights Fool flip flopping massively on Han before changing his mind to Corrik

Post 130 + 132 - Wants top 3 scum/town lists from Col, Zam + DYL

Post 159 - Calls Zam scum which we can disregard

Post 168 - Highlights a Col post saying he thought Scept was town but he guesses not now.

Post 184 - Doesn't like Col's response to his previous request

Post 215 - Scare think Donk is town

Post 238 - Scare think there's a 3rd party

Post 265 - Scare wants Shad to be scanned

Post 270 - Scare says to lynch Corrik if Corrik is in final 3

Post 286 - Scare reiterates he thinks Han and Shad are scum buddies

Post 288 + 289 - Scare doesn't think Corrik is Scum

Post 291 - Scare questions why Colzach think Cresent is Town amongst a list of Corrik, Zam, Crescent, MIM, Nara.

Post 315 - Scare says Shad could be town but he doesn't think what was posted confirms him

I'm not sure if Scare made a scum list prior to that but that pegs Scare's scum reads firmly as Foolmo followed by Shad and then Col.

Is there any particular reason Foolmo had to/wanted to hammer yesterday? Looks like he tried to and then was 1 vote short, someone else was asked to hammer and then Foolmo ended up hammering anyway.

My Immortal posted...

What's your scumlist FD?

Fool > DYL > Nana

Fool on account of the lack of explanation for night 2. Also the biggest point i had in favor of fool being town was nullified by the knowledge that scare was saved on night 2. So Zam wasn't completely worthless.

In the even fool flips town then my top scumspect becomes Death under the assumption he is scum role cop and he lied about who hev targeted and when.

Nana has bugged me since bthe night i thought i was going to be vig'D. I don't think chris was a good shot and it would be a "confirmable" fake action after Chris flipped BP. But i have a hard time justifying Nana claiming vig as scum to begin with so that makes nanac seem legit. This one is shaky but we have at most 2 scum left anyways so its w/e. I just don't think nana is "confirmed" based on the events thus far.

And DYL is the weakest of the vanillas. This is based more on gut though and warrants an iso when i have the time.

And that's where im at right now.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

My Immortal posted...

What's your scumlist FD?

Fool > DYL > Nana

Fool on account of the lack of explanation for night 2. Also the biggest point i had in favor of fool being town was nullified by the knowledge that scare was saved on night 2. So Zam wasn't completely worthless.

In the even fool flips town then my top scumspect becomes Death under the assumption he is scum role cop and he lied about who hev targeted and when.

Nana has bugged me since bthe night i thought i was going to be vig'D. I don't think chris was a good shot and it would be a "confirmable" fake action after Chris flipped BP. But i have a hard time justifying Nana claiming vig as scum to begin with so that makes nanac seem legit. This one is shaky but we have at most 2 scum left anyways so its w/e. I just don't think nana is "confirmed" based on the events thus far.

And DYL is the weakest of the vanillas. This is based more on gut though and warrants an iso when i have the time.

And that's where im at right now.

"Foolmo is scum for a lack of explanation of night 2."

"Nana is scum [even though he was the one who pointed out Foolmo's lack of explanation of night 2]"

:/

(Lowkey "Shooting scum as Vig was a bad shot" as well)
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Following up on the Han + Shad scumbuddies thing Scare posted. It looks like the only people to vote on Shad that I can find are Han and Arti. Arti just the once and Han multiple times.

Did anyone else pressure or suggest Shad as scum prior to Scare bringing it up yesterday because the votals seem to suggest not.

That doesn't detract from the fact that Scare's main scum culprit was Foolmo though.

Still no new topic for end of day? I want to post some stuff but in the new topic...
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/76678228

Nanahara715 posted...

(Lowkey "Shooting scum as Vig was a bad shot" as well)

You were adamantly opposed to me that whole day. And yes Chris returned from the kidnap that night but he has also said bp at the beginning even if he somewhat walked it back. So i thought shooting him over me was an odd choice and one that raises the possibility that you never had a shot to begin with.

Not saying likely, just possible
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