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turbopuns2
06/05/18 8:58:46 PM
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To hell with your silly subtitles.
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RogueNoble
06/05/18 8:59:48 PM
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Tag.
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turbopuns2
06/05/18 9:00:30 PM
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Tag.
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Forceful_Dragon
06/05/18 9:01:22 PM
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Forceful_Dragon posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
(Lowkey "Shooting scum as Vig was a bad shot" as well)


You were adamantly opposed to me that whole day. And yes Chris returned from the kidnap that night but he has also said bp at the beginning even if he somewhat walked it back. So i thought shooting him over me was an odd choice and one that raises the possibility that you never had a shot to begin with.

Not saying likely, just possible

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Shaduln
06/05/18 9:02:09 PM
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turbopuns2 posted...
Tag.

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Nanahara715
06/05/18 9:10:21 PM
#6:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
Forceful_Dragon posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
(Lowkey "Shooting scum as Vig was a bad shot" as well)


You were adamantly opposed to me that whole day. And yes Chris returned from the kidnap that night but he has also said bp at the beginning even if he somewhat walked it back. So i thought shooting him over me was an odd choice and one that raises the possibility that you never had a shot to begin with.

Not saying likely, just possible


If I couldn't shoot, I can't be scum.

We know Han didn't blow his SM N2 or he would've been tracked by Shad. We know Chris was an EK.

Why not just have me submit the factional instead in order to perpetuate the farce?
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Alakazamtrainer
06/05/18 9:11:30 PM
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foolm0r0n
06/05/18 9:14:02 PM
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foolm0r0n
06/05/18 9:26:14 PM
#9:


Shaduln posted...
How does one act godfathery and how was arti doing this?

This is a very good question

It's all a read to me but it goes something like this: Godfather is the 1 role in mafia that never has to change their play the entire game (unless they're about to be lynched). Godfather never has to send a kill, or explain a suspicious night action/scan, or worry about dying before revealing their scans, or convince town to lynch one person or the other, or struggle with a claim, or defend a fellow townie, or worry if they're defending scum. From D1 to game over they can play a very static simple town vanilla game. Whoever gets lynched is fine. They can completely blend in with lurkers and vanillas.

But it is artificial. They are TRYING to blend in with the vanillas. They are TRYING to make light posts here and there. They are TRYING to get on scum trains not because they care about scum, but because it's townish to be on a scum train. They will never ever make a fake claim or do any kind of fake (or real) powertell as many of us have done in this game. That's the real strength of the Godfather. They are protected from the cop, sure, but that's just 1 aspect of their fundamental power: complete daytime safety.

All of this applies strongly to Arti, and also FD (with the added layer of IRL "omg guys I don't have time to post!" smokescreen and a lot of info aggregation posts, which is risky but works well with experienced players). It does not at all apply to Donk, or DYL/Scep/Crescent slots. They could definitely be GF but it just wouldn't be my read.

I would still lean towards FD as godfather because I think all mafia have to be a bit more aggressive in this game, so they don't have the usual luxury of a lowkey godfather. But I don't want to discount Arti as godfather.

ShatteredElysium posted...
Is there any particular reason Foolmo had to/wanted to hammer yesterday? Looks like he tried to and then was 1 vote short, someone else was asked to hammer and then Foolmo ended up hammering anyway.

To see reactions, particularly Donk (who I didn't see :/)

SE is contributing/reading well (it is true that Scare had a hard scum read on me for a while) so I feel better about that slot

FD, DYL, Arti, Col are lacking today. Maybe that means they are comfortable town. Can't really be comfortable as mafia at this point, but if you're well experienced then maybe (as FD and Arti are IIRC). I can't believe we're this far and still have such little activity though.
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foolm0r0n
06/05/18 9:26:27 PM
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Nanahara715 posted...
So I'm not sure what he's really trying to do here.

That's okay. You want my blood and you will have it. You're doing great at your 1-dimensional game.

All I am doing is repeating my ideas over and over and over and over so that HOPEFULLY when you guys lose all focus the next few days, someone might actually point out "hey didn't fool mention that chain mislynching town power might not be the best way to win the game?" at least once. Maybe twice if I'm lucky.

All my town reads want me dead (or won't even consider a single NL even though it's literally free). That doesn't make them scum, just bloodthirsty. It's boring to play safely and optimally I guess. I probably can't change this in the next 40 minutes. As I have been saying over and over, this is totally fine since my role is by far the weakest of the investigators. But you guys will literally kill MI tomorrow when I die today. That is what I need to prevent. Is this so hard to understand?

What's interesting is that exactly 0 scum have given even the slightest support to my idea, even though I will flip town and it would give them some credibility. I guess it would bring too much attention to them. That's how much b8 hates NL I guess. I do remember AIM was like this too.
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Forceful_Dragon
06/05/18 9:38:29 PM
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Nanahara715 posted...
Why not just have me submit the factional instead in order to perpetuate the farce?


Because its a gambit? In that hypothetical you can't affor to waste the factional kill by actually targeting chros. You would still be reeling from the fiasco of the kidnappinggambit the night before.

Anyways that's not something i wanted to make a focal point. It was jyst to say that i don't consider you 100%.
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foolm0r0n
06/05/18 9:40:25 PM
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Some info for end of day:
My Immortal - Dick Gumshoe, Cop
Nanahara713 - Dhurke Sadhmadhi, Vigilante
htaeD - Kay Faraday, Thief

Shaduln - Franziska von Karma, Tracker (Thief-Confirmed)
Corrik - Winston Payne, Vanilla (Thief/Watcher-confirmed)

Arti - Shi-Long Lang, Vanilla (Scans inno)
Forceful Dragon - Juniper Woods, Vanilla (Scans inno)

Sceptilesolar/ColZach - Larry Butz, Vanilla
NewDonker - Sacred Urn, Vanilla
ShatteredElysium - Missile, Vanilla
Dark Young Link - The Judge, Vanilla

Foolmo - Lotta Hart, Watcher l

Scumlists:
Arti
DOESN'T WANT TO IMPLICATE ANYONE

Corrik
Foolmo
DYL
MI

Shattered
STILL READING DAY 1

Dark Young Link
TRUST ME GUYS I'M CONTRIBUTING

Foolmo
FD
Donk
Arti

DYL
Death

Forceful Dragon
Foolmo
DYL
Nana

htaeD
FD
Donk

My Immortal
Foolmo
Forceful Dragon
DYL

Donk
Crescent

Arti

Nanahara713
LITERALLY CAN'T EVEN THINK OF 1 NAME BEST PLAYER EVER

NewDonker
HEY CORRIK CAN I COPY YOUR HOMEWORK

Sceptilesolar/ColZach
okay I got tired of these jokes

Shaduln
but these guys should post their scumlists
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foolm0r0n
06/05/18 9:42:05 PM
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9.399 Arti posted...
My Immortal posted...
I'll scan Corrik tonight so that if I live he's 300% confirmed.

Good plan. Shad should also track him so he's 400% confirmed.

This def reads like scumbanter
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Forceful_Dragon
06/05/18 9:42:20 PM
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Foolmo, Im not scum, but i agree that a single NL makes a good amount of sense. I l feel like your flip is worth more than the actions themselves though. Especially since your claimed power is so weak that the chances of you observing something meaningful at night is next to nil. Id rather have the front loaded knowledge from your alignment.
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ScareChan
06/05/18 9:47:02 PM
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disaapointed in lack of CM Punk in title tag
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foolm0r0n
06/05/18 9:47:06 PM
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You don't have to convince me of anything, I'm dead in 15 minutes. You just have to convince all the others that you're tow-- ohhh that's what you're doing. Ok proceed.
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foolm0r0n
06/05/18 9:50:26 PM
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Do I get to read the scumboard when I die?

Also I can't believe I was surprised about plurality lynching. Holy christ forum players hate voting (which is fair due to scumtells and such but still).
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Nanahara715
06/05/18 9:50:58 PM
#18:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
Why not just have me submit the factional instead in order to perpetuate the farce?


Because its a gambit? In that hypothetical you can't affor to waste the factional kill by actually targeting chros. You would still be reeling from the fiasco of the kidnappinggambit the night before.

Anyways that's not something i wanted to make a focal point. It was jyst to say that i don't consider you 100%.


You misunderstand what I'm saying- why wouldn't I have just used the factional kill to shoot you?
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foolm0r0n
06/05/18 9:51:11 PM
#19:


oh 11 not 10 damn I ruined my dramatic exit
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Nanahara715
06/05/18 9:51:39 PM
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foolm0r0n posted...
9.399 Arti posted...
My Immortal posted...
I'll scan Corrik tonight so that if I live he's 300% confirmed.

Good plan. Shad should also track him so he's 400% confirmed.

This def reads like scumbanter


"GUYS DONT LYNCH MI IF I FLIP TOWN, BUT LOOK AT THIS SCUM BANTER HERE"
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Shaduln
06/05/18 9:53:30 PM
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foolm0r0n posted...
Do I get to read the scumboard when I die?

Also I can't believe I was surprised about plurality lynching. Holy christ forum players hate voting (which is fair due to scumtells and such but still).

I mean, I just didn't want to end the day early.
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Forceful_Dragon
06/05/18 9:57:34 PM
#22:


Nanahara715 posted...
You misunderstand what I'm saying- why wouldn't I have just used the factional kill to shoot you?


Because then im the only person who dies that night and you have tp claim responsibility?

I don't understand what you mean.
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foolm0r0n
06/05/18 9:57:43 PM
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Shaduln posted...
I mean, I just didn't want to end the day early.

Vote me then you coward
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foolm0r0n
06/05/18 9:57:59 PM
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Nanahara715 posted...
"GUYS DONT LYNCH MI IF I FLIP TOWN, BUT LOOK AT THIS SCUM BANTER HERE"

It's not scumbanter when I flip town you colossal idiot. I can say whatever the hell I want and it will be read as town posts in an hour.

I never would've guessed it was Nana and not Corrik who would take me flipping town so badly.
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Corrik
06/05/18 10:01:59 PM
#25:


##unvote:
##vote: MI

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My Immortal
06/05/18 10:03:31 PM
#26:


Post D&D tag. Catching up, although I don't think I have much left to say here today.
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My Immortal
06/05/18 10:05:58 PM
#27:


foolm0r0n posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
"GUYS DONT LYNCH MI IF I FLIP TOWN, BUT LOOK AT THIS SCUM BANTER HERE"

It's not scumbanter when I flip town you colossal idiot. I can say whatever the hell I want and it will be read as town posts in an hour.

I never would've guessed it was Nana and not Corrik who would take me flipping town so badly.

He's not saying you're doing scum banter.

You said 'don't kill MI after I flip town!' and then follow up with 'Shad & MI are scum bantering here'.

You've called me town all day but suddenly that's banter.

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Shaduln
06/05/18 10:07:09 PM
#28:


foolm0r0n posted...
Shaduln posted...
I mean, I just didn't want to end the day early.

Vote me then you coward

Why? I have said I want you dead today, that's enough.
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foolm0r0n
06/05/18 10:09:44 PM
#29:


My Immortal posted...
You've called me town all day but suddenly that's banter.

Oh okay but I was referring to Arti mostly

But hey we can go this route, sure

##Unvote: NL
##Vote: MI


(I was almosttttt disappointed in Corrik)
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foolm0r0n
06/05/18 10:10:16 PM
#30:


Shaduln posted...
that's enough

Is that so?
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Corrik
06/05/18 10:10:17 PM
#31:


foolm0r0n posted...
My Immortal posted...
You've called me town all day but suddenly that's banter.

Oh okay but I was referring to Arti mostly

But hey we can go this route, sure

##Unvote: NL
##Vote: MI


(I was almosttttt disappointed in Corrik)

This completely shits on your don't lynch power all day mantra.
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Arti
06/05/18 10:11:49 PM
#32:


Corrik posted...
foolm0r0n posted...
My Immortal posted...
You've called me town all day but suddenly that's banter.

Oh okay but I was referring to Arti mostly

But hey we can go this route, sure

##Unvote: NL
##Vote: MI


(I was almosttttt disappointed in Corrik)

This completely shits on your don't lynch power all day mantra.


You gave him a chance to lynch someone else so why are you surprised
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My Immortal
06/05/18 10:12:23 PM
#33:


Don't lynch MI, even after I flip town fool says all day.

Before... voting for me.

Hmmmmm
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Corrik
06/05/18 10:12:23 PM
#34:


Arti posted...
Corrik posted...
foolm0r0n posted...
My Immortal posted...
You've called me town all day but suddenly that's banter.

Oh okay but I was referring to Arti mostly

But hey we can go this route, sure

##Unvote: NL
##Vote: MI


(I was almosttttt disappointed in Corrik)

This completely shits on your don't lynch power all day mantra.


You gave him a chance to lynch someone else so why are you surprised

It is funny.
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benjamin3740
06/05/18 10:12:36 PM
#35:


It's the final countdowwwn.

[4] Foolmo - (Corrik), NewDonker, (Nana), Nana, ColZach, (Corrik), MI
[2] MI - Corrik, Foolmo
[1] FD - (Nana), Death
[0] No Lynch - (Foolmo)
[0] DYL - (MI), (Corrik)
[0] Corrik - (Foolmo)

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My Immortal
06/05/18 10:13:06 PM
#36:


Corrik any thoughts on fool claiming he suspected arti for days now despite calling my scan on arti a wasted scan
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ShatteredElysium
06/05/18 10:14:14 PM
#37:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
Foolmo, Im not scum, but i agree that a single NL makes a good amount of sense. I l feel like your flip is worth more than the actions themselves though. Especially since your claimed power is so weak that the chances of you observing something meaningful at night is next to nil. Id rather have the front loaded knowledge from your alignment.


What exactly do we get out of his flip compared to the other scanners though?

Whilst Foolmo's abilities looks the most out of place in those 4 roles, his flip provides the least information out of those 4 if he does flip town I feel. The only caveat to that is that not lynching Fool would run the risk of tomorrow being a repeat of today. Are we lynching him because we feel he's scum or are we lynching him to try get information to work with? Because if it's the latter I'm not sure why we are targeting Fool out of that cluster. If it's the former then obviously we always lynch scum and it's a different story

I really think we should be looking at vanilla claims rather than scanner claims. Scanner roles are going to provide more information tomorrow to work with. Vanilla we are relying on the scanners to help us out with more because nobody seems to be really digging into the vanilla claims right now. There's also the potential that vanillas are overlooked again if Fool flips town too
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Corrik
06/05/18 10:14:26 PM
#38:


My Immortal posted...
Corrik any thoughts on fool claiming he suspected arti for days now despite calling my scan on arti a wasted scan

I think foolmo is either A. Trolling the game or B. Completely fucked floundering scum.
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foolm0r0n
06/05/18 10:14:49 PM
#39:


Arti posted...
You gave him a chance to lynch someone else so why are you surprised

The banter... it's too strong.....
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foolm0r0n
06/05/18 10:15:34 PM
#40:


My Immortal posted...
Corrik any thoughts on fool claiming he suspected arti for days now despite calling my scan on arti a wasted scan

What did your scan change about my Arti position?
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Arti
06/05/18 10:16:22 PM
#41:


ShatteredElysium posted...
Forceful_Dragon posted...
Foolmo, Im not scum, but i agree that a single NL makes a good amount of sense. I l feel like your flip is worth more than the actions themselves though. Especially since your claimed power is so weak that the chances of you observing something meaningful at night is next to nil. Id rather have the front loaded knowledge from your alignment.


What exactly do we get out of his flip compared to the other scanners though?

Whilst Foolmo's abilities looks the most out of place in those 4 roles, his flip provides the least information out of those 4 if he does flip town I feel. The only caveat to that is that not lynching Fool would run the risk of tomorrow being a repeat of today. Are we lynching him because we feel he's scum or are we lynching him to try get information to work with? Because if it's the latter I'm not sure why we are targeting Fool out of that cluster. If it's the former then obviously we always lynch scum and it's a different story

I really think we should be looking at vanilla claims rather than scanner claims. Scanner roles are going to provide more information tomorrow to work with. Vanilla we are relying on the scanners to help us out with more because nobody seems to be really digging into the vanilla claims right now. There's also the potential that vanillas are overlooked again if Fool flips town too


We believe he is scum
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My Immortal
06/05/18 10:17:43 PM
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foolm0r0n posted...
My Immortal posted...
Corrik any thoughts on fool claiming he suspected arti for days now despite calling my scan on arti a wasted scan

What did your scan change about my Arti position?

By calling my scan of arti a wasted crappy scan you were not indicating that you thought he was godfather, you were indicating that you thought he was town.
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foolm0r0n
06/05/18 10:19:57 PM
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My Immortal posted...
By calling my scan of arti a wasted crappy scan you were not indicating that you thought he was godfather, you were indicating that you thought he was town.

Sorry if that's what you got out of it

Arti posted...
We believe he is scum

Donk, Nana, Col, MI believe I am scum

You and Shad have no opinion of me right now
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Nanahara715
06/05/18 10:20:09 PM
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Arti posted...
Corrik posted...
foolm0r0n posted...
My Immortal posted...
You've called me town all day but suddenly that's banter.

Oh okay but I was referring to Arti mostly

But hey we can go this route, sure

##Unvote: NL
##Vote: MI


(I was almosttttt disappointed in Corrik)

This completely shits on your don't lynch power all day mantra.


You gave him a chance to lynch someone else so why are you surprised


Actually-

Corrik was the first vote on MI. Death has been on FD for a while. Foolmo has listed FD as a top scum and MI as a top town.

If he was looking for a way to not vote NL and get on another lynch, the FD one makes so much more sense from the perspective he's been pushing-

1) it's on a guy he's calling scum
2) it was the 2nd leading vote gainer
3) FD has claimed "not scanner."
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My Immortal
06/05/18 10:21:05 PM
#45:


Hell, to Nanas point I've even expressed I could be convinced to lynch FD today.
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foolm0r0n
06/05/18 10:22:54 PM
#46:


9.93 htaeD posted...
I hate to say it
but MI could still be scum or scum kept him alive because their last member (or one of) is a godfather (and hasnt been scanned yet?)

foolm0r0n posted...
That is easily our biggest risk right now

Just pointing this out again

I want to emphasize that when I die and flip town, DESPITE the fact that I think our biggest risk is MI being scum, he should not be lynched tomorrow.

Does everyone understand this? I want MI dead, just not tomorrow. Don't do scum's job for them. That is what my vote right now represents. Yes it's a bit of trolling too, but pay attention.
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foolm0r0n
06/05/18 10:24:14 PM
#47:


FD lynch was a good idea too actually, if I played better I might have tried to go that route!
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Nanahara715
06/05/18 10:24:50 PM
#48:


foolm0r0n posted...
9.93 htaeD posted...
I hate to say it
but MI could still be scum or scum kept him alive because their last member (or one of) is a godfather (and hasnt been scanned yet?)

foolm0r0n posted...
That is easily our biggest risk right now

Just pointing this out again

I want to emphasize that when I die and flip town, DESPITE the fact that I think our biggest risk is MI being scum, he should not be lynched tomorrow.

Does everyone understand this? I want MI dead, just not tomorrow. Don't do scum's job for them. That is what my vote right now represents. Yes it's a bit of trolling too, but pay attention.


This is so fucking dumb. Either he's scum and he should die asap or he's not and we shouldn't want to ever lynch him, there's no fucking in between
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foolm0r0n
06/05/18 10:29:58 PM
#49:


Nanahara715 posted...
there's no fucking in between

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability

You should read up on this before signing up to any future mafia
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Nanahara715
06/05/18 10:30:34 PM
#50:


foolm0r0n posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
there's no fucking in between

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability

You should read up on this before signing up to any future mafia


lol
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