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in my opinion it would've been boring if Luke came into this as an anime god and saved the galaxy again. he needed a reason to take a back seat and become a mentor. 35 years between the end of ROTJ and TFA is enough time for me to be like "yeah he isnt the same wide eyed kid anymore".

i can see both sides tbh, and i'm content with the way RJ wrote it.
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wah_wah_wah posted...

If Luke were instead just some random Jedi master, his character would have made sense. It is dumb to portray a man as a quitter when he didn't give up on converting his father to the same religion that he killed nearly all the followers. This is like if he didn't give up on converting Hitler to a Jew. And then he does basically convert Hitler into a Jew. You would think that experience of doing the impossible would reinforce his ideas of perseverance in the face of the Dark Side. Yet inexplicably he pusses out, when his nephew hasn't done anything near as bad as Vader and could possibly still be turned. It's idiotic and there's nothing you can say to rationalize it.

it's been rationalized a lot in this topic if you wanna check it out
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Also, here is a snippet from the expanded version of TLJ with deleted scenes. (this excerpt is from some article covering it):

"The Last Temptation of Luke
In the very opening of the book, we visit with Luke Skywalker in his old age. Hes living on Tatooine with his wife Camie. He appears to have lived a good, relatively peaceful life, albeit one in which the Empires control of the galaxy has been complete, and he harbors some regrets about the plea for help from a young princess that he chose to ignore.

Wait, what?

Naturally, the scene is a clever bit of misdirection: a haunted Luke, still a hermit on Ahch To, imagining what might have been. A dream sequence might sound insignificant, but in addition to providing a glimpse of a galaxy that might have been if Luke had refused the heroes call, its provides a bit of foreshadowing as to the reluctant Jedis state of mind. He recognizes it as a vision; a warning that things are about to change. Its also a neat tribute to the original film: Camie Marstap, played by actress Koo Stark, was in a deleted scene in which Luke hung out with his pals at Tosche Station (presumably whining about power converters). The character made a few appearances in the old Legends media (even rating an action figure a few years ago), but this kinda-sorta cements her existence as the only girl on Tatooine."

This scene provides some cool insight on how conflicted Luke was and how much he thought about not becoming a Jedi. Kinda wish it was in the movie.
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TLJ gets a lot of hate for reasons that perceive to be based on fallacy. That can be frustrating to see, especially if you're a fan of the movie. I get that.
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CyricZ posted...

Well, most of that could be inferred, but Luke blaming himself for Han and Leia splitting up is news to me. That could have provided a bit extra motivation that clearly could have been helpful.

True. I never really considered that crucial to the story I guess, while the other bits are. But I could see how that adds some more motivation.
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DarthAragorn posted...

Jesus, maybe put all that in the actual movie instead of some filler casino planet garbage.

it was. watch the scene with Luke explaining what happened to Rey
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Yeah I think a big takeaway is the fact that Luke didn't cause Kylo to turn. Kylo had already been turned. There wasn't anything Luke could do at this point, even if he didn't ignite his lightsaber over him. He thought "I could save millions of lives right now" (which he would have).

What would the "rational Luke" have done? "I need to keep trying"? He had been trying, and he had failed. He had become frustrated because he is still a flawed person who was overcome with this pressure to save the galaxy and single-handedly restore the Jedi.

prince_leo posted...

cjsdowg posted...

It is that added to that fact that he didn't fix what he messed up. And didn't try to fix it. You can mess up but down me a coward afterwards. Hell he could have even tried to reach Kylo more at the end.

in the novelization it sorta delves into this
basically Ben had always had the darkness in him. Luke agreed to train him, but Han wasn't happy about that
after Luke failed, he not only blamed himself for not being able to fix him, he also blamed himself for ruining Leia and Han's relationship. that's when he started getting depressed about the Jedi as an institution and thinking that the galaxy would be better off with no Jedi

I kinda agree though like Luke trained up Kylo, Kylo was tainted, and then he's just like, welp, better hide away while Kylo wreaks havoc! Not a good look.
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ForestLogic posted...

Also "the entire point of Luke's character" is up for debate. You might see it as humble everyman idiot, others see it as "the chosen one".

So you can understand why a lot of fans were disappointed they didn't get Super Saiyan Luke.

I can understand this. But Super Saiyan Luke was shown in Clone Wars and Rebels (haven't seen either tbh so I'm not 100% on this) so it's not like the imagery is lost.

I don't really see Luke as ever being the chosen one. In the og trilogy, he was always kinda a normal farmer dude who learned the force just well enough to confront his father and turn him back.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

cjsdowg posted...

bloodydeath0 posted...

Luke turned Vader back to the light after a long struggle and a lot of lives lost. He sensed Kylo's heart had already been turned by Snoke, and he wanted to try to prevent the Vader-esque age of evil. Obi-Wan couldn't turn Anakin from the dark, and look what happened.

Luke had a long monologue about how he sensed the darkness growing and couldn't do anything to stop it. He talked about how he's sick of the endless cycle of the dark rising, and the light rising, and the clash.

I think that first parts shows why Luke would not try/almost/think (what ever you want to call it) the kid. Vader was already space Hitler and Luke went to him TO try to save him. Kylo was not there yet and Luke jumps to Order 66

Yeah but again, that was ages ago back when Luke was still naive and relatively new to this shit.

Now he's under the pressure of trying to restore an entire Galactic Order back to its former glory and upholding the peace that the galaxy fought so hard to win back. And maybe he's just a little bit jaded that after everything he went through to purge the galaxy of the dark side's presence, that it just keeps coming back.

Pretty much exactly this. He scoffs at Rey calling him a "legend", and admits to the pressure of being "Luke Skywalker"
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

im mostly irritated that all of the cool stuff that happened to one of my favorite characters of all time was told via exposition instead of, you know, making a movie out of it. the events that we were told about that happened prior to VII should have been the story to VII.

as movies on their own right, they're OK (but not great) but as sequels to the OT they are utter dog shit.

I agree. But I wouldn't be surprised if we really see this fleshed out in 9 though. We haven't even seen the Knights Of Ren yet, which spawned from that night at Luke's academy.

Fingers crossed they don't just exposition that night again and jump to KoR already established.
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cjsdowg posted...

I think that first parts shows why Luke would not try/almost/think (what ever you want to call it) the kid. Vader was already space Hitler and Luke went to him TO try to save him. Kylo was not there yet and Luke jumps to Order 66

I think we are just meant to think since he is a Jedi Master, we can trust his judgement when he says he sensed Kylo was already lost. Like I mentioned, Luke said he had sensed the darkness in Kylo growing but couldn't do anything to stop it until it was already too late and Snoke had turned him.

Anakin couldn't be turned when he was going to the dark side, and it created lots of problems. Luke tried to turn Kylo but he failed, and he recognizes that. Failure and learning from failure is like the whole modus operandi of the movie, and Yoda's pep talk. I think it's a nice change that Luke isn't a mary sue and just perfect at converting everyone back to the light.
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Luke turned Vader back to the light after a long struggle and a lot of lives lost. He sensed Kylo's heart had already been turned by Snoke, and he wanted to try to prevent the Vader-esque age of evil. Obi-Wan couldn't turn Anakin from the dark, and look what happened.

Luke had a long monologue about how he sensed the darkness growing and couldn't do anything to stop it. He talked about how he's sick of the endless cycle of the dark rising, and the light rising, and the clash.
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KOTOR = canon confirmed

Bring on Darth Revan
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_BIueMonk posted...

god that show is still running? i stopped after season 2.

Romulox28 posted...

lol, just put the show out of its misery already

KrankyKat posted...

I gave up on TWD a long time ago.

this. wtf. i don't understand how people can keep watching a story driven show with no story.
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Trump is tweeting stuff like

"Put pressure on the Democrats to end the horrible law that separates children from there parents once they cross the Border into the U.S. Catch and Release, Lottery and Chain must also go with it and we MUST continue building the WALL! DEMOCRATS ARE PROTECTING MS-13 THUGS."

Some people are responding they are policies HIS administration put in place, and are responding they are policies the OBAMA administration put in place.

I'm unfamiliar with these laws and policies. Anyone have an objective, non-biased explanation as to what they're talking about?
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hi hello
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if you get fat enough you qualify for disability checks so yeah
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there's a difference between "arming teachers" and "allowing teachers to carry". the latter is what people want support for. not forcing 95 yr old mrs johnson to carry a glock on her hip
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Kitt posted...

DarthTyrannus83 posted...

CyricZ posted...

Just came back.

Bunch of damn babbies in this topic. I've got zero complaints. That doesn't happen often.

This. People pointing out minuscule shit surely miss whats good about the movie.

I have zero interest in this movie. I'm part of the "Nobody asked for a Hand Solo prequel movie camp".
But yeah, I absolutely agree with you guys. Sounds like a lot of people here are just really over-exaggerating their dislike for the film. Something Star Wars fans seem to be consistently proficient at.

in support for all of the above. the backlash for this movie is insane.
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you must have the smallest legs ever
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it's actually a pretty cool movie
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SSJGrimReaper posted...

bobs or vagene

vagana
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Which is better
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Milkman5 posted...

I know no one else does

true
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professor x
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i have a chubby but long face.

i didnt plan on doing a shaved sides or anything but i did plan on having a longer top (almost as is) with like 2" or so sides
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anyone have an opinion on the 2.0L 10 speed vs the 2.0L hybrid? I think the hybrid has a CVT but the engine + electric motor must give it some pretty solid pickup
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Parappa09 posted...

you look like a man

then i've failed

eggcorn posted...

Any reason you don't just grow it out? I bet your hair looks good long.

i don't really like it too long, i have more "bad hair days" than not. but if i keep the length on the top and trim down the sides, it'll be more conducive to letting it grow out more in the future

LedZeppelin posted...

Parappa09 posted...

you look like a man

not really, look at those patches. real men can grow an appreciable beard lol

how dare you

MuayThai85 posted...

I've been trying to get a proper undercut/slicked back pompadour (like Brad Pitt's in Fury).

Finding a Thai barber who can actually do it is a problem. I've tried 3 times now at 3 different places and they've all managed to do it wrong (even when I'm showing them pictures).

yeah that's a solid do. i can't really pull it off, too ambitious lol. how have these barbers been cutting it?
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bloodydeath0 posted...

and no fastback

i was mistaken on this one, 2018 accord has the fastback. but i think it still has a bit better visibility than civic's big C pillars

had to correct this one for my own sake
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Bullet_Wing posted...

Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

Bullet_Wing posted...

Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

I prefer the V6 over the 2.0T, but that 2.0 is a gem. It comes from the Civic Type R, but just detuned for Accord duty.

I have no idea what they were thinking when they discontinued the V6 Accord.

Honda knows how to make a V6 and I also lamented the loss. There's was nothing wrong with it - mate that V6 to the new 10 AT and it'll return even better fuel economy and do the 0-60 in the low 5s at least.

I used to be a Honda/Acura guy (Acura RSX was bae), but I got an Audi A3 a while ago from my uncle who decided he wanted the latest model and gave me a good secondhand deal to buy him out. Expensive repairs aside (not encountered yet, knock on wood), I love German cars now. I also bought a tune for it, so it gets 300+ hp. Audis are ridiculously customizable in that department. Next car will probably be an S5 or as a reach, an RS5.

Speaking of discontinued shit, if Acura still made the RSX, I'd be all over that. I loved my 06.

i really want one of the new gen A4's but they're just so expensive =(

and thats before you run into any problems
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Bullet_Wing posted...

bloodydeath0 posted...

i'm facing the same debate. i'd say go Accord. the new civics are fairly expensive and the new Accords are just a way better value for not that much higher (and something that'll last a long time anyway).

significantly stronger engine, better interior, better technology, similar gas mileage, and no fastback (not a fan of fastbacks, screws with my cabin vision, even though they look cool)

Again, if you get the new Accord DON'T get the 1.5T, get the 2.0T. The 1.5 is CVT, the 2 is ten speed automatic.

CVT is bleh

yeah absolutely. 2.0L 10 speed or don't bother. to be honest i wouldn't even bother with anything below Touring but that's just me

edit: same goes for Civic, get the Touring 1.5L Turbo. It's CVT but that's the best you can get unless you don't mind driving stick on a Type R or something
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i'm facing the same debate. i'd say go Accord. the new civics are fairly expensive and the new Accords are just a way better value for not that much higher (and something that'll last a long time anyway).

significantly stronger engine, better interior, better technology, similar gas mileage, and no fastback (not a fan of fastbacks, screws with my cabin vision, even though they look cool)
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Letron_James posted...

You look like a latino adam driver

im polish

LIsJustice posted...

Leon Kennedy style

like that guy from CE
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Pitlord_Special posted...

Get a wicked side parted fade bro

pic

masticatingman posted...

The very common look now is buzzed on the sides with hair on the top, like in peaky blinders

https://goo.gl/images/qJm7YL

cillian murphy is scary looking though :(

hollow_shrine posted...

I'm guessing you're looking to cut most of this off in preparation for the summer?

not necessarily. i planned on doing something along the lines of cleaning up the top and texturing it a bit then cutting the back and sides down to around 1.5" and fade it into the top.

i like having some flow. just trying to not look like a mop
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Jingo posted...

mullet

i already have that

VandorLee posted...

Why not pretty damn short? Feels good.

buzz the whole thing? like a #2 all around
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ignore facial hair, i'm shaving after i cut it for maximum transformation
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how much can it bench press?
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mm bee pussy XO
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TheBiggerWiggle posted...

bloodydeath0 posted...

neither side is lobbying for the sake of financial gain.

This is factually inaccurate. Republicans get millions of dollars from the NRA.

Right, because Republicans support gun rights. Industries support politicians whose ideological views are in line with their own, this is how all politics works. It's not some crazy conspiracy where Republicans are doing this BECAUSE it makes them money.

...Although I'm sure that does play a small factor, as these are politicians we are talking about (:
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BJ-blazkowics posted...

bloodydeath0 posted...

I see this constantly on social media- Calling the NRA terrorists and saying how Republicans love gun violence.

If you truly think this then you're incapable of rational judgement and empathy. Neither side wants people to die, neither side is lobbying for the sake of financial gain. Both sides just have different ways of approaching the problem.

Why are so many people hard-headed instead of open-minded

I just needed to vent this haha lol!

of course they're NOT pro-shootings or want to see people die.

They just care too much about their profits (gun sales,lobbying gravy train) to try to stop them.

"lining their pockets rather than saving lives" i'd say is as close to claiming they are "pro-shooting" as you can get. and i really think the claims that they're doing this because they're making enormous profits isn't really a substantiated claim. the NRA gets tons of unique donations and support from actual people, way more so than just gun manufacturers.
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gguirao posted...

I don't make those kinds of generalizations, but it's hard to deny them when the rigth and the NRA seem to always be focused on guns rater than people.

They arent though. The left keeps saying this, but ive never seen a republican who isnt heartbroken by these tragedies.
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tbh i hate the way bernie sounds. he has phlegm in his throat in 90% of his interviews
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AlisLandale posted...

One would be surprised how often in day-to-day happenings "Long neck? Mother, what's a looong neck?" Is an appropriate quote.

Unsurprising is how zero people know wtf Im talking about.

I smell, I smell, I smelllllllllll

Ducky

im gonna start quoting TLBT at work and see how people react
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nevershine posted...

Sharptooth dude legit kinda scared me as a kid.
Then I remember Pizza Hut had this promo or something with these land before time plastic hand puppets

HA yeah that commercial
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You're a lush and I hate it
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Delirious_Beard posted...

bloodydeath0 posted...

the only issue with that is that clarity is trash

man shut yo ass up

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inloveanddeath0 posted...

I'm not one to usually say this but, shut the f*** up Kyle.

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the only issue with that is that clarity is trash
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Gafemage posted...

bloodydeath0 posted...

wouldn't be surprised if they were still being made in some capacity

XIV came out in 2016. Theyll probably still be making sequels after were all dead.

called my bluff. i'm a little surprised.
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