Current Events > Should there be a Fat Tax?

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Should adults who are able to eat a normal diet and maintain a decent weight be forced to pay for those who can't control themselves?

Or should we have a mandatory tax that obese people have to pay to cover their overbearing costs on the medical system, transportation system, etc? Seeing as being overweight is a choice and anyone can make a change.
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FlyingForever posted...

Should adults who are able to eat a normal diet and maintain a decent weight be forced to pay for those who can't control themselves?

Or should we have a mandatory tax that obese people have to pay to cover their overbearing costs on the medical system, transportation system, etc? Seeing as being overweight is a choice and anyone can make a change.

This alone invalidates your whole topic.
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We already have that in California called a soda tax.

if you get fat enough you qualify for disability checks so yeah
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MuayThai85 posted...

FlyingForever posted...

Should adults who are able to eat a normal diet and maintain a decent weight be forced to pay for those who can't control themselves?

Or should we have a mandatory tax that obese people have to pay to cover their overbearing costs on the medical system, transportation system, etc? Seeing as being overweight is a choice and anyone can make a change.

This alone invalidates your whole topic.

Nope. Don't give me excuses. Anyone can maintain a HEALTHY BODY WEIGHT. I didn't say be jacked, I said healthy body weight. Average.

Don't blame medication, thyroid, big boned, etc. It's not hard to get some basic exercise and have a generally healthy diet.
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Only in places with public healthcare.

In places where healthcare is private, no, no fat tax. However, higher insurance premiums for sure.
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DarkTransient posted...

Only in places with public healthcare.

In places where healthcare is private, no, no fat tax. However, higher insurance premiums for sure.

What if there can't be public healthcare because there's too many fat people
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how bout a shitposting tax
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And a smoking tax, and a car driving tax and a person of color tax. Whats next.
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spincr posted...

And a smoking tax, and a car driving tax and a person of color tax. Whats next.

Cigarettes are taxed beyond belief. You pay tax on insurance and don't need a vehicle.

My taxes paying for your inability to put a fork down is unjust.
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no need to cause more people to hate their bodies. there's too much of that already.

everyone's metabolism is different, and "calories in < calories out" is not the full picture.

losing weight doesn't mean being healthier, and it's not necessarily unhealthy to be fat.

besides, long-term weight loss is unrealistic for the vast majority of people:

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2015/03/ diets_do_not_work_the_thin_evidence_that_losing_weight_makes_you_healthier.html

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Youll likely lose weight in the short term, but your chance of keeping if off for five years or more is about the same as your chance of surviving metastatic lung cancer: 5 percent.

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averagejoel posted...

no need to cause more people to hate their bodies. there's too much of that already.

everyone's metabolism is different, and "calories in < calories out" is not the full picture.

losing weight doesn't mean being healthier, and it's not necessarily unhealthy to be fat.

besides, long-term weight loss is unrealistic for the vast majority of people:

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2015/03/ diets_do_not_work_the_thin_evidence_that_losing_weight_makes_you_healthier.html

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Youll likely lose weight in the short term, but your chance of keeping if off for five years or more is about the same as your chance of surviving metastatic lung cancer: 5 percent.

This is a nice Tumblr post you have here.

Calories in =/= calories out. It's that simple.

People have crash diets and drop weight then go back to being lazy and eating like crap and GASP are amazed and shocked they can't keep the weight off

You have to make a LIFESTYLE change.

If you're upset with your body THEN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT

The fat acceptance movement is garbage and needs to be wiped out
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MuayThai85 posted...

FlyingForever posted...

Should adults who are able to eat a normal diet and maintain a decent weight be forced to pay for those who can't control themselves?

Or should we have a mandatory tax that obese people have to pay to cover their overbearing costs on the medical system, transportation system, etc? Seeing as being overweight is a choice and anyone can make a change.

This alone invalidates your whole topic.

It doesn't invalidate it. The majority of obese people are obese due to choices. The ones that aren't could request a waiver, etc. from a doctor

Someone can choose to eat right but they won't lose 200 pounds in a few weeks. It's not like a switch you can turn on and off. It takes years of bad decisions to become obese, it takes a long time of good decisions to undo that.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

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MuayThai85 posted...

FlyingForever posted...

Should adults who are able to eat a normal diet and maintain a decent weight be forced to pay for those who can't control themselves?

Or should we have a mandatory tax that obese people have to pay to cover their overbearing costs on the medical system, transportation system, etc? Seeing as being overweight is a choice and anyone can make a change.

This alone invalidates your whole topic.

It doesn't invalidate it. The majority of obese people are obese due to choices. The ones that aren't could request a waiver, etc. from a doctor

Someone can choose to eat right but they won't lose 200 pounds in a few weeks. It's not like a switch you can turn on and off. It takes years of bad decisions to become obese, it takes a long time of good decisions to undo that.

That's not an excuse to be fat
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This topic is ridiculous. It completely overlooks the fact that people can be healthy at every size. Why penalize someone for being healthy at a higher weight?
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Also @Pharrell3
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TheRealDill2000 posted...

This topic is ridiculous. It completely overlooks the fact that people can be healthy at every size. Why penalize someone for being healthy at a higher weight?

At many sizes? Absolutely yes you're right !!

Healthy at every size?? Give me a break man.

Tell me why are people who are morbidly obese known to die prematurely ??

Because they are healthy no matter the size??
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no need to cause more people to hate their bodies. there's too much of that already.

Then do something about your fat. Majority of cases its just you been lazy and eating garbage and then hating yourself

FlyingForever posted...

This is a nice Tumblr post you have here.

not tumblr

Calories in =/= calories out. It's that simple.

literally false

People have crash diets and drop weight then go back to being lazy and eating like crap and GASP are amazed and shocked they can't keep the weight off

You have to make a LIFESTYLE change.

If you're upset with your body THEN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT

The fat acceptance movement is garbage and needs to be wiped out

try reading the article. it links to other sources that debunk your worldview pretty handily
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averagejoel posted...

FlyingForever posted...

This is a nice Tumblr post you have here.

not tumblr

Calories in =/= calories out. It's that simple.

literally false

People have crash diets and drop weight then go back to being lazy and eating like crap and GASP are amazed and shocked they can't keep the weight off

You have to make a LIFESTYLE change.

If you're upset with your body THEN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT

The fat acceptance movement is garbage and needs to be wiped out

try reading the article. it links to other sources that debunk your worldview pretty handily

If you're fat and you want to blame everything and everyone else go right ahead. We all know the truth and we stare at you in public on purpose
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FlyingForever posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

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MuayThai85 posted...

FlyingForever posted...

Should adults who are able to eat a normal diet and maintain a decent weight be forced to pay for those who can't control themselves?

Or should we have a mandatory tax that obese people have to pay to cover their overbearing costs on the medical system, transportation system, etc? Seeing as being overweight is a choice and anyone can make a change.

This alone invalidates your whole topic.

It doesn't invalidate it. The majority of obese people are obese due to choices. The ones that aren't could request a waiver, etc. from a doctor

Someone can choose to eat right but they won't lose 200 pounds in a few weeks. It's not like a switch you can turn on and off. It takes years of bad decisions to become obese, it takes a long time of good decisions to undo that.

That's not an excuse to be fat

No but it's an excuse to not tax it.

Like if I go to the store, I can choose, immediately, to not buy any soda. Thus taxing soda is okay, taxing literally being fat is not.
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FlyingForever posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

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MuayThai85 posted...

FlyingForever posted...

Should adults who are able to eat a normal diet and maintain a decent weight be forced to pay for those who can't control themselves?

Or should we have a mandatory tax that obese people have to pay to cover their overbearing costs on the medical system, transportation system, etc? Seeing as being overweight is a choice and anyone can make a change.

This alone invalidates your whole topic.

It doesn't invalidate it. The majority of obese people are obese due to choices. The ones that aren't could request a waiver, etc. from a doctor

Someone can choose to eat right but they won't lose 200 pounds in a few weeks. It's not like a switch you can turn on and off. It takes years of bad decisions to become obese, it takes a long time of good decisions to undo that.

That's not an excuse to be fat

Do you think an obese 10 year olds want to be fat? No, of course not. They have been taught bad habits their whole life while the readily available food is unhealthy for you. On top of that, obese kids tend to become obese adults. People think it's easy to lose weight but it really isn't nearly that easy (or easy to keep off once you do lose it).

People are eating fast food more than ever and it's not because it tastes better. Sometimes when you work a long 10 hour day for the 6th day in a row the last thing you want to do is spend 30-60+ minutes to make a home cooked "healthy" meal.

On top of that, processed/fast food tends to be cheaper which leads to poorer people (a large portion of the US population) eating that crap more often because they can't afford to buy healthier choices.

And when it all comes down to it, metabolism's exist. I have a friend who will sit down and no word of a lie eat 2 large pizzas in one sitting. I've never seen someone eat so much in my life yet he's 165lbs and has never seen the inside of a gym in his life.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

FlyingForever posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

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MuayThai85 posted...

FlyingForever posted...

Should adults who are able to eat a normal diet and maintain a decent weight be forced to pay for those who can't control themselves?

Or should we have a mandatory tax that obese people have to pay to cover their overbearing costs on the medical system, transportation system, etc? Seeing as being overweight is a choice and anyone can make a change.

This alone invalidates your whole topic.

It doesn't invalidate it. The majority of obese people are obese due to choices. The ones that aren't could request a waiver, etc. from a doctor

Someone can choose to eat right but they won't lose 200 pounds in a few weeks. It's not like a switch you can turn on and off. It takes years of bad decisions to become obese, it takes a long time of good decisions to undo that.

That's not an excuse to be fat

No but it's an excuse to not tax it.

Like if I go to the store, I can choose, immediately, to not buy any soda. Thus taxing soda is okay, taxing literally being fat is not.

If you made poor decisions suffer the consequences.

If you're fat and you know it pay the tax
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FlyingForever posted...

averagejoel posted...

FlyingForever posted...

This is a nice Tumblr post you have here.

not tumblr

Calories in =/= calories out. It's that simple.

literally false

People have crash diets and drop weight then go back to being lazy and eating like crap and GASP are amazed and shocked they can't keep the weight off

You have to make a LIFESTYLE change.

If you're upset with your body THEN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT

The fat acceptance movement is garbage and needs to be wiped out

try reading the article. it links to other sources that debunk your worldview pretty handily

If you're fat and you want to blame everything and everyone else go right ahead. We all know the truth and we stare at you in public on purpose

I've gained about 5 pounds since I was 14. so shut the fuck up. the science (some of which is linked in the article) literally disagrees with you
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Antipsychotics make you pack on the pounds.
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Debra Sapp-Yarwood, a fiftysomething from Kansas City, Missouri, whos studying to be a hospital chaplain, is one of the three percenters, the select few who have lost a chunk of weight and kept it off. She dropped 55 pounds 11 years ago, and maintains her new weight with a diet and exercise routine most people would find unsustainable: She eats 1,800 calories a dayno more than 200 in carbsand has learned to put up with what she describes as intrusive thoughts and food preoccupations. She used to run for an hour a day, but after foot surgery she switched to her current routine: a 50-minute exercise video performed at twice the speed of the instructor, while wearing ankle weights and a weighted vest that add between 25 or 30 pounds to her small frame.

Maintaining weight loss is not a lifestyle, she says. Its a job. Its a job that requires not just time, self-discipline, and energyit also takes up a lot of mental real estate. People who maintain weight loss over the long term typically make it their top priority in life. Which is not always possible. Or desirable.

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MuayThai85 posted...

FlyingForever posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

-l___________l- posted...

MuayThai85 posted...

FlyingForever posted...

Should adults who are able to eat a normal diet and maintain a decent weight be forced to pay for those who can't control themselves?

Or should we have a mandatory tax that obese people have to pay to cover their overbearing costs on the medical system, transportation system, etc? Seeing as being overweight is a choice and anyone can make a change.

This alone invalidates your whole topic.

It doesn't invalidate it. The majority of obese people are obese due to choices. The ones that aren't could request a waiver, etc. from a doctor

Someone can choose to eat right but they won't lose 200 pounds in a few weeks. It's not like a switch you can turn on and off. It takes years of bad decisions to become obese, it takes a long time of good decisions to undo that.

That's not an excuse to be fat

Do you think an obese 10 year olds want to be fat? No, of course not. They have been taught bad habits their whole life while the readily available food is unhealthy for you. On top of that, obese kids tend to become obese adults. People think it's easy to lose weight but it really isn't nearly that easy (or easy to keep off once you do lose it).

People are eating fast food more than ever and it's not because it tastes better. Sometimes when you work a long 10 hour day for the 6th day in a row the last thing you want to do is spend 30-60+ minutes to make a home cooked "healthy" meal.

On top of that, processed/fast food tends to be cheaper which leads to poorer people (a large portion of the US population) eating that crap more often because they can't afford to buy healthier choices.

And when it all comes down to it, metabolism's exist. I have a friend who will sit down and no word of a lie eat 2 large pizzas in one sitting. I've never seen someone eat so much in my life yet he's 165lbs and has never seen the inside of a gym in his life.

Excuses. All of it.

Yes, that's child abuse if you can't even keep your kids on a healthy weight.

Oh boo hoo I worked a long day LIKE ALL THE OTHER ADULTS WHO AREN'T FAT I can't be bothered to cook a "healthy" meal and everyone else eats fast food so it's okay.

My friend eats more than me and he's skinny so I must not eat poorly it's my metabolism. EVEN IF HE HAS A FASTER METABOLISM.

BOOOO HOOOO

Do what YOU need to do to maintain a healthy weight

You'd think telling people to become healthy to you know, not die so early wouldn't be such a fight but yall live dat mcdonalds I guess lol
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If you lived in NYC and ever had to take the subway, you'd want a mandatory fatass tax.

These fucking swamp-hogs take up two freaking seats and are so fucking obnoxious.
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people with type 2 diabetes who lose weight are just as prone to heart attacks, strokes, and death, as those who don't

https://www.mdedge.com/clinicalendocrinologynews/404

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1212914
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averagejoel posted...

Debra Sapp-Yarwood, a fiftysomething from Kansas City, Missouri, whos studying to be a hospital chaplain, is one of the three percenters, the select few who have lost a chunk of weight and kept it off. She dropped 55 pounds 11 years ago, and maintains her new weight with a diet and exercise routine most people would find unsustainable: She eats 1,800 calories a dayno more than 200 in carbsand has learned to put up with what she describes as intrusive thoughts and food preoccupations. She used to run for an hour a day, but after foot surgery she switched to her current routine: a 50-minute exercise video performed at twice the speed of the instructor, while wearing ankle weights and a weighted vest that add between 25 or 30 pounds to her small frame.

Maintaining weight loss is not a lifestyle, she says. Its a job. Its a job that requires not just time, self-discipline, and energyit also takes up a lot of mental real estate. People who maintain weight loss over the long term typically make it their top priority in life. Which is not always possible. Or desirable.

What a crock of shit. Just lol "one of the three percenters" and "her small frame."

Lol didn't even say her height or weight just that she lost 55lbs. Either she doesn't have a small frame or she was incredibly obese.

Also lol "no more than 200g carbs" boo hoo you cant have cake for breakfast everyday.
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FFVII_REMAKE posted...

We already have that in California called a soda tax.

Lol

Thats all you can really do. Some people can help that theyre fat and some cannot. Those who choose to eat unhealthy stuff pay those kinds of taxes and have to buy two plane tickets instead of one.
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EdgeMaster posted...

averagejoel posted...

Debra Sapp-Yarwood, a fiftysomething from Kansas City, Missouri, whos studying to be a hospital chaplain, is one of the three percenters, the select few who have lost a chunk of weight and kept it off. She dropped 55 pounds 11 years ago, and maintains her new weight with a diet and exercise routine most people would find unsustainable: She eats 1,800 calories a dayno more than 200 in carbsand has learned to put up with what she describes as intrusive thoughts and food preoccupations. She used to run for an hour a day, but after foot surgery she switched to her current routine: a 50-minute exercise video performed at twice the speed of the instructor, while wearing ankle weights and a weighted vest that add between 25 or 30 pounds to her small frame.

Maintaining weight loss is not a lifestyle, she says. Its a job. Its a job that requires not just time, self-discipline, and energyit also takes up a lot of mental real estate. People who maintain weight loss over the long term typically make it their top priority in life. Which is not always possible. Or desirable.

What a crock of shit. Just lol "one of the three percenters" and "her small frame."

Lol didn't even say her height or weight just that she lost 55lbs. Either she doesn't have a small frame or she was incredibly obese.

Also lol "no more than 200g carbs" boo hoo you cant have cake for breakfast everyday.

Rekt
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Yes, they consume more food and are a burden to healthcare system lol
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Liberals would call it another way to tax the poor.

The glaring problem with TC's proposal is that there are plenty of weight lifters that have obese BMIs but are much healthier than normal people. If you were able to weed out lifters and exclude them from the fat tax it would help, but BMI wouldn't be the way to do it.

If we could accurately and fairly categorize fat people as fat people I would be all for it.

MuayThai85 posted...

This alone invalidates your whole topic.

lmao "it's not a choice!" he cries as he stuffs another cheesecake down his mouth

clearaflagrantj posted...

The glaring problem with TC's proposal is that there are plenty of weight lifters that have obese BMIs but are much healthier than normal people. If you were able to weed out lifters and exclude them from the fat tax it would help, but BMI wouldn't be the way to do it.

If we could accurately and fairly categorize fat people as fat people I would be all for it.

MuayThai85 posted...

This alone invalidates your whole topic.

lmao "it's not a choice!" he cries as he stuffs another cheesecake down his mouth

Wait wha-

Sorry I couldn't hear you over me stuffing my face with pie
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