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HanOfTheNekos posted...

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Kenri posted...

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Jakyl25 posted...

I cant keep my Trumper Theories straight

Did Hillary collude with Russia to win and failed, and Mueller is secretly gonna bring her down, or did she want war with Russia and Trump is better because working with them is a good thing?

Or somehow both??

In her book Hillary said she wanted to do anything possible to rein in Russia.

That was a typo, it was supposed to say "reign in Russia".

No, she meant keeping Russia under control.

Thinking about it, maybe many Americans are sick of their country's role as global policeman? And thinking about it more, most of the reason for America's alliances with European countries is due to WWII and then The Cold War, so perhaps to many these alliances no longer have any use since all that is done with?

Bro, it was a joke.

And half of America still believes we are the best country that can ever exist and that we should police the world.

Oh sorry I didn't understand, doesn't help that I myself was struggling to decide what word to use in the first place before I went with "rein".

Well Trump's trying to take an isolationist stance...actually who knows. Does he stand for anything other than random chaos?
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Kenri posted...

LinkMarioSamus posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

I cant keep my Trumper Theories straight

Did Hillary collude with Russia to win and failed, and Mueller is secretly gonna bring her down, or did she want war with Russia and Trump is better because working with them is a good thing?

Or somehow both??

In her book Hillary said she wanted to do anything possible to rein in Russia.

That was a typo, it was supposed to say "reign in Russia".

No, she meant keeping Russia under control.

Thinking about it, maybe many Americans are sick of their country's role as global policeman? And thinking about it more, most of the reason for America's alliances with European countries is due to WWII and then The Cold War, so perhaps to many these alliances no longer have any use since all that is done with?
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"Nothing I could do!"
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Jakyl25 posted...

I cant keep my Trumper Theories straight

Did Hillary collude with Russia to win and failed, and Mueller is secretly gonna bring her down, or did she want war with Russia and Trump is better because working with them is a good thing?

Or somehow both??

In her book Hillary said she wanted to do anything possible to rein in Russia.
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Also I've pretty much grown in a leftist political environment my whole life (well in regards to my family that is), and of course most people in the entertainment industry are left as well. So it's a little weird for all of these political ideals I've known my whole life start to be questioned like this, but perhaps it's for the better.
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Do Americans just generally have a low opinion of the rest of the world? It seems like many Americans view the country's traditional allies as laughingstocks (usually because they're too liberal, ooh), and then act like the only countries that matter are the ones that are a direct threat to national security. Are many Americans just afraid of the rest of the world?
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Still baffled why some people stand by this incompetent fool in the White House.

All I can think of is anger directed towards SJWs.
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People are seriously so mad at the left they tolerate this clown in the White House. I have no words.
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What do people have so viscerally against SJWs? They seem easy enough to ignore.
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Why do Americans hate the left so much they'd prefer their "great" country to be a Russian puppet? How is that supposed to make America great again?
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Also, I read a bit more of "What Happened" which naturally got me thinking of guess who again.

As far as I can tell, perhaps the biggest reason there has been so much animosity towards Hillary Clinton is probably because of general over-exposure. People are sick and tired of her and what she stands for, and feel like she has had her time in the Sun already due to being a former First Lady, and a very politically active one at that. Doesn't help that she lost to someone with no prior political experience.

Thing is, what was she supposed to do then, just lay low and play second fiddle to her husband? Yeah, real great. I know I'll sound like an SJW saying this, but it does not send a good message when people scorn a woman for being ambitious, and vote for a misogynistic man over her to boot. And I seriously feel like assertive and/or powerful women just generally get undeservedly intense levels of hatred directed towards them.
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Part of me feels like Trump's Twitter activity is receiving more news coverage than it's worth. And nothing he puts out is even that outrageous...though I guess him being POTUS...then again I'm sure his supporters appreciate a social media-literate President.
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Changing topic for a sec...probably not to ask in a topic about politics, but I can't be the only one here tired of how seemingly everything must be political nowadays?

Yes I was thinking of The Last Jedi, which I haven't even seen.
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I was generalizing. What I meant is that I'm not sure how big of a factor The Last Jedi's fan reception was.

Who wants to see a movie based on some friendly banter in Empire Strikes Back? At least Rogue One was based on the opening crawl of the first movie.
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Obviously the backlash towards The Last Jedi hardly helped, but as time passes I'm more convinced Solo failed on its own merits, and that it's debatable how much a "boycott" could really have hurt the movie.

Is there any context for Han's backstory in the movies other than some dialogue between Han and Lando in The Empire Strikes Back? I don't think that alone would motivate many to want to see Han's backstory - although I guess it is kind of nice it's there? I dunno, the minute I heard about the announcement of the Han Solo movie I couldn't believe Lucasfilm was actually going forward with the idea.
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kevwaffles posted...

LinkMarioSamus posted...

No-fly zone over Russia leading to WWIII hmmm?

I've literally run into people on YouTube who decided primarily on this basis to vote for Trump.

Like, some of the reasons I've heard are ridiculous - oh, someone else on YouTube said they voted for Trump because he accepts criticism better apparently. Sure.
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"Nothing I could do!"
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No-fly zone over Russia leading to WWIII hmmm?
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I think Americans are so deathly afraid of Russia that they're fine with just laying down and surrendering.

Especially considering guess who wanted to take a zero-tolerance stance towards Russia in the event of becoming President.
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"Nothing I could do!"
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Someone told me many Republicans are perfectly fine with America being a Russian puppet.
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So apparently Russia tried to sabotage French elections last year and that didn't work, in part because of watching the American shitshow and taking notes?
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"Nothing I could do!"
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LapisLazuli posted...

LinkMarioSamus posted...

In her book "What Happened", Hillary mentions social justice, feminism, and Black Lives Matter in favorable contexts.

As any decent human being would.

I actually agree, but people throw those terms around in a negative context so often.

She also clarified in her book that she sees the goal of feminism as equality and not female superiority. Ditto for BLM. Again, I agree but she's clearly not aware of the extreme measures of both groups which has led them to be mired in controversy.

And about Trump, how on earth did people not see bad news in capital letters written all over him at first? America does not have a good track record for Presidents without prior political experience. America does not have a good track record for Presidents coming from business backgrounds. And right-wing Presidents have had a much worse record when it comes to administrations being mired in controversy within the past fifty or so years. So...why was there even massive support for Trump in the first place? Probably because, anti-leftist sentiment. Which I don't understand why there is so much of it.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

red sox 777 posted...

There's obviously a disagreement on how Hillary's statement was taken here.

i'm talking about what the statement was, not how it was taken. it was obviously taken as "OMG SHE THINKS HALF THE COUNTRY IS RACIST SEXIST ETC." that's pretty clear, looking at the response to the statmenet.

I think a big part of the problem here is that many Americans were sick and tired of this rhetoric, and a presidential candidate saying it went too far for them.

In her book "What Happened", Hillary mentions social justice, feminism, and Black Lives Matter in favorable contexts. Not wrong per se, but she clearly shows lack of awareness at how many are against those because they have gotten out of hand. I think the problem is that the experience of being a powerful woman in a male-dominated field has essentially colored her whole political outlook and many Americans were sick and tired of hearing about that kind of stuff.
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Yeah how is there so much anti-left sentiment when right-wing presidents have a much worse track record when it comes to courting controversy?
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But obviously most Americans are fine with their country turning into a Russian puppet.

Wait a sec, this was their definition of "Make America Great Again"? Huh?
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That's fine. Like I said, I admit that most of the reason I even started keeping track of politics was due to that Ghostbusters fiasco two years ago.
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I dunno, just something that really draws my ire, and it feels like it shouldn't yet it does.

You guys want to discuss Hillary Clinton's book "What Happened?" instead?
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Perhaps that's a radical position to take, but at least Trump didn't build his whole career out of bigotry like the current crop of feminists.
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

Anita Sarkeesian basically confirming herself as a bigoted monster

how did she do this and toward whom is she bigoted

The major reason was her being given a panel at VidCon, and some YouTube news people like MudaneMatt, Dave Cullen, and Sargon of Akkad showed up at the panel to listen. Because those people have often reported on idiotic stuff Anita has done and they sat in the front row, Anita felt intimidated and then decided to lash out, calling Sargon names like "shithead" and "garbage human". Then later that same convention, she unleashed a tirade on another anxious guy just for daring to share his experiences, all because his point of view clashed with Anita's ability to play the victim card.

Then the people in charge of the convention took her side despite her breaking rules by publicly defaming an audience member, because they took her words about the intimidating people in question being "serial harassers" completely at face value (when all these people did was weigh in on her statements and ration out why they disagreed), despite in their own words, remaining "blissfully unaware" of the situation.. And THEN Anita doubled down by basically saying that "I'm a woman in a deeply misogynistic culture" as an excuse for defaming someone - even if that were the case (which is at worst EXTREMELY debatable - she also literally said "women are 2nd class citizens in their own country - which is laughable about any Western nation), that still does not excuse her actions. Add in an undercurrent of misandry in her body of work and ye gods, I'd say she's more bigoted than Trump.

Anita said of the guy that she called a "garbage human" that he "literally made a career out of discrediting and mocking women", which, if you look at his content (this is "Sargon of Akkad" by the way) is a blatant lie. If anything Anita is self-projecting herself here.

Oh and right before she put out a video called "Manufacturing a Muslim Menace" which was so ridiculous. It basically came down to "any instance of a white guy killing a brown guy comes with unfortunate implications" (even using one famous Indiana Jones scene in a montage of examples), and "Muslim terrorism is a fabrication of the media". Oh. My. God.

I hope I'm not turning into Ulti!
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"Nothing I could do!"
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I think it's because social justice politics are typically seen as leftist ideologies. When I asked why do people view the left as such an enemy in an earlier thread someone told me that it's because they go and call everything racist or sexist. Also since such people typically use "alt right" as a shorthand for "bigot".

Personally I'm still mostly puzzled by how people thought this was worth enough attention to elect Donald Trump as POTUS. Most of the gaming circles I frequent never bring up Anita or Gamergate, so obviously they can't be such a big deal right?

I will admit much of the reason why I even got remotely into keeping track of politics was due to the whole Ghostbusters 2016 fiasco and James Rolfe being caught in the crossfire.

Okay, maybe "laughingstock" was not the right word, but there's a lot of anti-left sentiment in America which is a big reason why Trump is able to get away with so much dumb stuff. Someone told me that lots of Republicans would prefer Putin as President over any Democrat. And most of the reason I see for the anti-left sentiment relates to social justice warriors and such.

Oh and, it probably doesn't help that in that one book of hers, Hillary Clinton speaks favorably of social justice, feminism, and Black Lives Matter.
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"Nothing I could do!"
-Darksydephil

Changing topic a little, I like how whenever Trump does anything that especially gets on my nerves something comes along to distract me from that (Anita Sarkeesian basically confirming herself as a bigoted monster last year and the whole stereotyping Star Wars fans as racist/sexist this year).

And the left wonder why they are such a laughingstock.
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"Nothing I could do!"
-Darksydephil

LapisLazuli posted...

Lol and people think America isn't considered a big joke on the world stage right now.

Fly true Trump Baby balloon.

Actually I think people are fine with America being a big joke on the world stage, because to many Americans the rest of the world is a big joke.

Seriously, look at people going around making fun of Canada and Europe for leftist policies.
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Seginustemple posted...

you can tell a film is quality when someone invokes the emoji movie to draw a favorable comparison

Perhaps it's almost as if the most-acclaimed films of last year just felt like diamonds in the rough to critics and they were over-praised as a result? Worth noting that not only so-called professional critics, but also YouTube "critics" who see a lot of recent movies loved The Last Jedi, e.g. Chris Stuckmann, Bob Chipman, Smeghead.

Also I found a "worst movies of 2017" thread somewhere and just about every list had critically-acclaimed films in it. The Last Jedi was not much more frequently mentioned than Wonder Woman and Dunkirk! Worth noting that Alien: Covenant was a *very* popular choice, which I can hardly fault them for. There were even mentions of Get Out and Logan! Looks like no film released last year is a sacred cow, but then again I guess that's what happens when the most acclaimed film of the year is a horror film about a black man in white suburbia.
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"Nothing I could do!"
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No one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans.
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I don't know, it seems like the whole Russia thing is something that SHOULD be cause for concern for a lot of people, but somehow it isn't because the left is a bigger enemy now than any foreign power. It's as if Americans think they live in a vacuum and other nations don't exist unless they pose a threat to security.
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"Nothing I could do!"
-Darksydephil

The stupid thing is, it's probably because critics had to sit through all those movies that they praised The Last Jedi so heavily compared to the fan reception.
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"Nothing I could do!"
-Darksydephil

How was it able to garner so much backlash, in a year that saw the releases of films like The Emoji Movie, The Mummy, Transformers 5, Pirates of the Caribbean 5, The Dark Tower, The Book of Henry, Fifty Shades Darker, The Snowman, Geostorm, Justice League, and Baywatch?
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"Nothing I could do!"
-Darksydephil

Wow. So the answer is yes then. Well.
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Would people seriously prefer America being a Russian vassal over America being run by the left?
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"Nothing I could do!"
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So I read a bit more of Hillary Clinton's book, this time going into shady dealings between Trump and Russia. It was pretty scary, and I'm astonished - ultimately not really surprised though - that people are so frightened of Hillary and the left in general as to be perfectly fine with all this. I do not necessarily believe that Trump deliberately colluded with Russia to win the election or that he needed it, but everything going on makes me wonder.

The effect is like spraying a brutal pesticide just to get rid of one invasive species, killing off an entire ecosystem, and then feeling good about it just because the one invasive species is dead.

EDIT: Then again, it doesn't help that Hillary glossed over her infamous "no-fly zone over Syria" plan as one of the measures she would have put in place to curb Russia that she thinks Obama should have done. I guess it's a fair concern that Hillary's anti-Russia attitude could cause trouble, but is that still worse than Trump? How do you even gauge this stuff?
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"Nothing I could do!"
-Darksydephil

Jakyl25 posted...

It kinda reminds me of Trumps Pocahontas nickname for Warren

If you dissect it to the bone, you can make a case that its not a slur. I dont believe he uses it as a slur. But if it makes people who DO use slurs and DO hate gays feel more welcome to expressing those ideas, its not a good look.

I fully agree with this. Unfortunately...yes, I want to bring up Hillary Clinton again. The problem is, I suppose someone could easily say the same about her giving "license" to SJWs in a similar way. Doesn't help that in her book she said she still believes the goal of feminism is equal rights for women, which would make tons of people laugh.

I understand that some leftists are going too far, yes, but personally I never saw any of it as being a big enough deal to want to elect Donald Trump! None of the major gamers/gaming sites I follow ever bring up Gamergate, Anita Sarkeesian, or anything similar for instance. I was completely unaware of what Gamergate was until 2016. The only reason I started paying any attention to politics was due to the Ghostbusters 2016 fiasco.

I have no idea if Trump actually knows about the "regressive left", or if he was BS'ing as usual with his "bigots on both sides" comment last year. I could believe either one by this point.
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"Nothing I could do!"
-Darksydephil

My mom brought up how America is taking away rights when other countries are progressing with them.

Then again it seems like Americans are increasingly mocking other countries for being too liberal or something?
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"Nothing I could do!"
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