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Tyranthraxus posted...

I'm gonna get flak for this probably but GotG1 still has the best soundtrack.

Why would you get flak for speaking the truth?
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I don't understand why people feel the need to attack them. They're kids that just went through a traumatic experience. You're supposed to empathize with them and hope they get over the experience. They're dumb kids not political opponents.
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Squall28 posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

But the point of the constitution was to protect rights, not grant rights, that were seen to be the most important at the time with a system in place to change if and when times changed.

Then will you take back your statement that removing the 2nd amendment will make it no longer a right?

When I made my initial statement in this thread, my sentiment is that bearing arms is not in the same league as everything else. Religion and speech are a given. The others are there to prevent the government from blatantly screwing you.

It likely wouldn't be for very long. 2nd amendment disappears and you still have the right to bear Arms. A day later laws are passed restricting that and its no longer a right.
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The Admiral posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Weird fucking move.

Now hypothetically if she was say 16 and did that and then called the cops and said these people had child porn or uploaded child porn to reddit could they get in trouble?

No. Even if she is underage, this is not sexual in nature and doesn't qualify as child pornography.

I should have read the rest of the topic before posting. I thought I had an original though.

Anyways obviously the chick should be fired but everyone saying she's clearly just nuts and the customers likely did nothing wrong probably never worked with the public before.
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Squall28 posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Im not understanding your point here.

Human rights are inalienable. Not in the sense that a large force can't strip it from you, but in the sense that it isn't about written law.

It doesn't matter if there is a law. You have the right to do it, and a law should be created to give you the right to do it. That's how our country's law started.

My point is that we shouldn't be overly concerned with written laws when creating new laws.

But the point of the constitution was to protect rights, not grant rights, that were seen to be the most important at the time with a system in place to change if and when times changed.
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Weird fucking move.

Now hypothetically if she was say 16 and did that and then called the cops and said these people had child porn or uploaded child porn to reddit could they get in trouble?
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Squall28 posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Squall28 posted...

Let's go back to the thought experiment. If you remove the 2nd amendment, would it still be a right?

Obviously not.

It's pretty funny how gun advocates don't even understand how rights were added in the first place.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_and_legal_rights

Our nation's history is based on destroying established laws and creating laws based on natural rights humans should possess. Gun ownership is incredibly out of place on the original list.

Im not understanding your point here.
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darkjedilink posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Squall28 posted...

Let's go back to the thought experiment. If you remove the 2nd amendment, would it still be a right?

Obviously not.

Incorrect, unless you think a piece of paper has the power to grant rights.

The Constitution doesn't give you rights (it explicitly states that 'our Creator' gave them to us by virtue of being born). It establishes a framework for a limited government, who's sole job is to protect our ability to freely exercise those rights.

The constitution says nothing about "our creator" that's the declaration of independence and has no legal bearing.

The amendments don't grant rights, they limit government power. You're correct that it does not give the right but merely says the government can't limit a right. If the 2nd amendment was removed however congress would be free to limit that right to whatever extent they feel. It would no longer be a right.
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Squall28 posted...

Let's go back to the thought experiment. If you remove the 2nd amendment, would it still be a right?

Obviously not.
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LordRazziel posted...

So, your point is mass shootings aren't a serious issue?

Certainly not something to be worried about.

Squall28 posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Squall28 posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

I mean you're definitely wrong but even if you weren't it doesn't change the argument.

I mean beyond what is written down in a law. Human rights weren't just created when the bill of rights were drafted. We shouldn't let one law that was written hundreds of years ago be the standard for what is right.

The option to live a good life which affects every single second of your life is more important than a person's ownership of a gun.

Where do you draw the line with this sort of thought?

Do you think the patriot act is a good thing? Should we completely do away with the 4th amendment and have the government listen to every call and read every text? It would probably stop some deaths.

Obesity and heart disease kill people. Should we ban McDonald's and cigarettes?

Drunk driving kills people. Let's make booze illegal.

People still die of hunger in this day and age. It's ridiculous, should we become a communist society as the government would ration things out so that everyone is equal and no one has to go to bed hungry?

I would argue that the free world has always put the rights of the majority over the lives of the individual.

I don't understand how your argument is relevant to what I said.

Well I mean you don't think that someone's option to live a good life, every second of it outweighs someone's right to drink? Outweighs someone's right to privacy? Outweighs someone's right to own property or the means of production?
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Squall28 posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

I mean you're definitely wrong but even if you weren't it doesn't change the argument.

I mean beyond what is written down in a law. Human rights weren't just created when the bill of rights were drafted. We shouldn't let one law that was written hundreds of years ago be the standard for what is right.

The option to live a good life which affects every single second of your life is more important than a person's ownership of a gun.

Where do you draw the line with this sort of thought?

Do you think the patriot act is a good thing? Should we completely do away with the 4th amendment and have the government listen to every call and read every text? It would probably stop some deaths.

Obesity and heart disease kill people. Should we ban McDonald's and cigarettes?

Drunk driving kills people. Let's make booze illegal.

People still die of hunger in this day and age. It's ridiculous, should we become a communist society as the government would ration things out so that everyone is equal and no one has to go to bed hungry?

I would argue that the free world has always put the rights of the majority over the lives of the individual.
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Kavatar posted...

Are gun deaths statistically irrelevant now?

For the most part. I'd characterize is it more as a fear of guns is irrational.

josifrees posted...

Also rights in a free country where the constitution is able to be legislated and amended are quite fluid. Its only a right because of an amendment the same way it could pretty quickly not be a right with another amendment.

Lrn2legislastion

OK. Get that amendment passed and I will work as your slave for the rest of my life.

chollima posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Squall28 posted...

I don't believe gun ownership is a "right."

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

I mean you're definitely wrong but even if you weren't it doesn't change the argument.

emblem boy posted...

I'm confused on what your argument is. Gun control and gun banning are both equal to a travel ban?

I don't really have an argument. Just pointing out that they're both ham fisted attempts to protect people from irrational onal fears.

Doesn't look like an irrational fear to me.

Disclaimer: I'm not American.

It effects a very tiny % of people. Murder makes up an even smaller % and if you're not in a gang even tinier.
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chollima posted...

notice how when the red line is long the yellow line is short

Im not entirely sure what your point is?

This has nothing to do with this topic.
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TheVipaGTS posted...

we have more murders from mass shootings being perpetrated by American Born Citizens than we do Islamic Terrorist attacks being perpetrated by people from Muslim nations...So if you really want to compare the two, one is definitely more necessary than the other.

...that said I'm not for either ban. Stricter gun control does not mean a ban.

Maybe in America. Around the world I'd be doubtful and if you give a free for all to all those people to come in... Either way it's never going to affect you and these measures are just to make the lowest common denominator feel better.

Gun control, travel bans, avoiding the ocean because you're afraid of a shark attack and avoiding flights out of fear of crashing. These are all the same.

emblem boy posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Squall28 posted...

I don't believe gun ownership is a "right."

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

I mean you're definitely wrong but even if you weren't it doesn't change the argument.

emblem boy posted...

I'm confused on what your argument is. Gun control and gun banning are both equal to a travel ban?

I don't really have an argument. Just pointing out that they're both ham fisted attempts to protect people from irrational onal fears.

We do have travel controls, just like we have gun control already. Having some form of control system in place already exists for many many things

support strong gun control or banning guns
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Squall28 posted...

I don't believe gun ownership is a "right."

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

I mean you're definitely wrong but even if you weren't it doesn't change the argument.

emblem boy posted...

I'm confused on what your argument is. Gun control and gun banning are both equal to a travel ban?

I don't really have an argument. Just pointing out that they're both ham fisted attempts to protect people from irrational onal fears.
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So you support Trump's travel ban?

One is stripping Americans of rights because even one statistically irrelevant death is too many.

One is not stripping anyone of any rights and merely saying we choose not to take a chance on you because even one statistically irrelevant death is too many.

Now I'm not a fan of either because I don't have crazy irrational fears like that but it just doesn't make sense to support one and not the other.
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Canada
Mexico
Usa
Costa Rica
England
Wales
Northern ireland
Scotland
Ireland

Goal for this year is either Australia/New Zealand or a trip starting in Germany and branching out.
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NeoBowser posted...

Fergie was ok and to be fair the national anthem of the US is shit to begin with
It has the weirdest buildup ever and is just all over the place. Somehow fits

Worst post ever written. Please see yourself out of my topic.
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Or just force yourself to do shit even if it makes you uncomfortable and you'll get better at it.
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iPhone_7 posted...

She tried to be like Marilyn Monroe when she sung Happy Birthday to President Kennedy.

That's the exact comparison my dad made. It's hilarious.
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M_Live posted...

What happened.

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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

They were

That was awful. I shut listened. They definitely weren't.
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Suit at around 450

Few pairs of shoes in the 200-300 dollar range.

But for the most part nothing to expensive.
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I think at my school it was 8 mins to change and a 5 minute bell. More than enough time to shower and change.
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I'm boycotting the NBA because that was far more disrespectful to our country than taking a knee.
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Trump says things he previously took the opposite stance on to stay popular with people in middle America to enamored with him to question anything.

More news at 11
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Sharks over Caps in the final.

Part of me wants to root for them but theyre in division

Thornton didn't make the list... Youre crazy.

Im a fan of the greatest team ever of course.
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Oh yea sorry. Meant Vegas. They were the only team that had odds near that. Part of me wants to root for them but their in division and I'd have to kick myself the rest of my life.

Thornton should have made the list as well but Malkin is the better player he just gets critiqued for being a lazy Russian on defense but when he's on and playing is best he is the most dominate player in the NHL.

Stop. When he keeps up the same production for another 10 years maybe he can lick Joe's jock strap.
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gp1829 posted...

The Pens may have a hard time repeating but the Caps making the finals won't happen. It just won't. Malkin not making the top hundred was the biggest snub in the history of snubs.

Thornton didn't make the list... Youre crazy.

WaterLink posted...

Bruins gonna take it home again this year.

If not them I hope Vegas gets it

I told everyone at my bar I was gonna put 100 on them to win it back before the season started at 400:1.

Trip got canceled and by the next time I was in reno they were on top of the division.

Please don't win. Don't make me hate myself.
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Patchwork posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Fuck the penguins...

Fuck Cindy "still have peach fuzz" Crosby

Fuck Mr "not even top 100 malkin"

And fuck Phil "mmmmm hot dog" Kessel.

So salty.

Fuck the penguins! Patchwork posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Patchwork posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Fuck the penguins...

Fuck Cindy "still have peach fuzz" Crosby

Fuck Mr "not even top 100 malkin"

And fuck Phil "mmmmm hot dog" Kessel.

So salty.

Fuck the penguins!

Cmon bro :(

Sharks over Caps in the final.

The pain of the kings, ducks and pens fans will give me an erection lasting more than 4 hours.
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Patchwork posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Fuck the penguins...

Fuck Cindy "still have peach fuzz" Crosby

Fuck Mr "not even top 100 malkin"

And fuck Phil "mmmmm hot dog" Kessel.

So salty.

Fuck the penguins!
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The-Apostle posted...

I'm boycotting the NHL until after the Olympics. The owners are so greedy they can't send their players.

I wanted to see them play and don't want to defend the owners because I think this was most to make an issue and gain concessions the next time the contract is negotiated with the players union but I can see the argument.

They can't use any promotional material and these guys are huge investments. Say McDavid goes down and his career is over. How much is he worth to the oilers and the league over the next 15 years. All for something they can't make any money. Plus they cancel all star weekend and lose money. They delay the season. Also I believe the iihf used to pay the insurance and said they weren't this year. Plus I think they're trying to turn the world cup of hockey into an international competition that they control.

Im with you and with the players and wanted to see them there but I don't think the owners are exactly evil for taking this stance.
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Fuck the penguins...

Fuck Cindy "still have peach fuzz" Crosby

Fuck Mr "not even top 100 malkin"

And fuck Phil "mmmmm hot dog" Kessel.
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YourDrunkFather posted...

I was gonna tell you but then you made that lame joke so now I'm gonna let you find out on your own

I just stopped. Gonna wait for the sharks game to end and then hit up darkest hour or shape of water.
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Come on guys. More like dumb Kirk lol
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Should I continue?
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TF is up with all these guys saying man up and do it.

Once a week is insane. I've had girls who's families I've liked and wouldn't want to see them that frequently.

Id say if family is important to someone in a relationship you make the effort to see and get along with maybe even try and befriend their family. You certainly don't have to agree to once a week meals.

My family likes to get togetger a lot and even I think that's strange.
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MutantJohn posted...

So this means I can get me some chemical weapons?

Heller

Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Courts opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Millers holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those in common use at the time finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.

And from the constitution

No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

Chemical weapons or weapons of war. Not of common use. War and foreign policy falls completely to the federal government.
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MutantJohn posted...

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Keep in mind when this was written. Literally wrote "All men are created equal..." while perpetuating the slave trade.

Caetano v. Massachusetts, 577 U.S. ___ (2016) - The Court ruled that the Second Amendment extends to all forms of bearable arms:

The Court has held that the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding, and that this Second Amendment right is fully applicable to the States.
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MutantJohn posted...

Why do people truly believe they have the right to deadly force? I can't own chemical weapons but you don't see me crying about it

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), is a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held, in a 54 decision, that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home, and that Washington, D.C.'s handgun ban and requirement that lawfully-owned rifles and shotguns be kept "unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock" violated this guarantee.

Presser v. Illinois, 116 U.S. 252 (1886) - This second post-Civil War era case related to the meaning of the Second Amendment rights relating to militias and individuals. The court ruled the Second Amendment right was a right of individuals, not militias, and was not a right to form or belong to a militia, but related to an individual right to bear arms for the good of the United States, who could serve as members of a militia upon being called up by the Government in time of collective need.

Caetano v. Massachusetts, 577 U.S. ___ (2016) - The Court ruled that the Second Amendment extends to all forms of bearable arms:

The Court has held that the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding, and that this Second Amendment right is fully applicable to the States.[

Because we literally do.
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spikethedevil posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

What do I care what some dumb kids think? Especially dumb kids that are acting emotionally and not rationally due to having just gone through a terrible ordeal?

If a child choked on a lego and die should I be asking her mother if she thinks legos should be banned?

Oh look it's the why not ban this other thing straw man.

I absolutely 100% Nevee said that. In the future please read a post, make sure you understand it, and then respond.

I wonder if the lack of reading comprehension I've encountered in this topic is a normal amongst the ban all guns, fuck the constitution, statistical anomalies terrify me crowd. Might explain why they're so scared all the time.
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ASithLord7 posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

Nomadic View posted...

Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

Nomadic View posted...

The Second Amendment isnt going anywhere. OMG ban gunz! Is and always will be a losing argument.

Gun *control* =/= "OMG ban gunz"

What gun control legislation would have prevented this past shooting?

Let's see. Ban on assault rifles. Ban on most semi-automatics probably which has already been proven to work
https://globalnews.ca/news/3784603/australia-gun-control-ban/

What's your strategy to stop mass shootings at schools in the future besides doing absolutely nothing other than complain about those that are actually trying to save children from being butchered? I'd love to hear your response

Assault weapons ban showed no effect on crime rates hence why it was never reenacted.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/02/15/its-time-to-bring-back-the-assault-weapons-ban-gun-violence-experts-say/?utm_term=.814ee33972ec
https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2018/02/awb.png

Crime rates... Not this one persons "6 or more people massacres" idea that they came up with. Furthermore the idea that 300 million people should be stripped of their rights over such a tiny number is ridiculous.
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Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

Nomadic View posted...

Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

Nomadic View posted...

The Second Amendment isnt going anywhere. OMG ban gunz! Is and always will be a losing argument.

Gun *control* =/= "OMG ban gunz"

What gun control legislation would have prevented this past shooting?

Let's see. Ban on assault rifles. Ban on most semi-automatics probably which has already been proven to work
https://globalnews.ca/news/3784603/australia-gun-control-ban/

What's your strategy to stop mass shootings at schools in the future besides doing absolutely nothing other than complain about those that are actually trying to save children from being butchered? I'd love to hear your response

Assault weapons ban showed no effect on crime rates hence why it was never reenacted.
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Phantom_Nook posted...

These kids need to shut up, they know nothing* about politics!

*unless they're conservatives, then they're whiz kids

No kids are almost universally dumb.
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MrNintendo1213 posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

ASithLord7 posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

ASithLord7 posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

What do I care what some dumb kids think? Especially dumb kids that are acting emotionally and not rationally due to having just gone through a terrible ordeal?

If a child choked on a lego and die should I be asking her mother if she thinks legos should be banned?

Ahh yes, the 30,000 kids who choke and die on Legos every year

That in no way relates to what I was saying. In the future please read, think about what something means and then reply.

If Legos were killing thousands of people every year there would most definitely be recalls, investigations, and the like.

This is just a bad comparison.

And those dumb kids just had their classmates killed because Americans' gun fetish is more important than children's lives apparently.

That in no way relates to what I was saying. In the future please read, think about what something means and then reply.

That completely relates to what you were saying. In the future please read, think about what something means and then reply.

This relates to what I was saying, but is just completely wrong. His statements didn't even mildly relate to anything I said.
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ASithLord7 posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

ASithLord7 posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

What do I care what some dumb kids think? Especially dumb kids that are acting emotionally and not rationally due to having just gone through a terrible ordeal?

If a child choked on a lego and die should I be asking her mother if she thinks legos should be banned?

Ahh yes, the 30,000 kids who choke and die on Legos every year

That in no way relates to what I was saying. In the future please read, think about what something means and then reply.

If Legos were killing thousands of people every year there would most definitely be recalls, investigations, and the like.

This is just a bad comparison.

And those dumb kids just had their classmates killed because Americans' gun fetish is more important than children's lives apparently.

That in no way relates to what I was saying. In the future please read, think about what something means and then reply.
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ASithLord7 posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

What do I care what some dumb kids think? Especially dumb kids that are acting emotionally and not rationally due to having just gone through a terrible ordeal?

If a child choked on a lego and die should I be asking her mother if she thinks legos should be banned?

Ahh yes, the 30,000 kids who choke and die on Legos every year

That in no way relates to what I was saying. In the future please read, think about what something means and then reply.
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The gamefaqs moderation team knows dogs capable of being offended, cant laugh at a joke, and like to punish jokes that are acceptable on prime time TV pg shows.

What do I care what some dumb kids think? Especially dumb kids that are acting emotionally and not rationally due to having just gone through a terrible ordeal?

If a child choked on a lego and die should I be asking her mother if she thinks legos should be banned?
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Just worked 11-930 on my day off and gonna do 7am-11pm tomorrow. Trying to get some rest before I go back. Plus I'm trying to save some extra cash for a vegas trip.
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