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| Topic | Dropped Galaxy S5 in toilet... broken now... |
| Lopen 10/22/17 2:40:50 AM #9 | Curious why do you need such a high end piece of hardware for your phone. What do you do with it that needs those specs. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | eaed plays WWE Real World Mod on TEW 2016 - ACTUALLY on the Road to Mania [TEW] |
| Lopen 10/22/17 2:35:57 AM #32 | Super Athletes (????) Tozawa Bully Ray Balor Roode --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 2:34:09 AM #248 | I do think a rebranded OWS could accomplish something for sure. It just needs to be like... not a bunch of disgruntled college students. Like to me it's not that I think BLM isn't a potentially useful movement. In the 70s or 80s, it would've accelerated things a ton. I just think that the majority of the lots have been cast in that fight already. Like, being taught all about the Civil Rights movement in school really helps a lot on that front I think-- kids are basically taught not to be racist at this point. I think that combined with there being no particular stigma or different treatment obviously present in society at this moment basically means that being sure everyone is educated does a lot for being sure no one is a racist, and as said, the majority of the work left to do is accomplished with time. I think with OWS you've got more development in that regard. Like, if you're born into a middle class family, how can you even pretend to empathize with the plight of the poor? Like, the actual poor who are struggling to get legitimate education to begin with due to trouble at home or whatever. Not just the lower class. It's just not something that gets a lot of attention. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 2:18:08 AM #245 | Jakyl25 posted... I feel like you cant say BLM has been effective while also saying protesting racism does no good at this point. Relative terms, sure I can. I mean Occupy Wall Street felt like it actively set things back to be honest. Like they were kinda treated as entitled kids more than an effective protest-- probably because most of your coverage there is from the media which can skew it to fit their agenda. BLM is at worst neutral. Like, awareness there's potentially some sort of problem is increasing, which may be a net good (I didn't say it does "no good" I said protesting other stuff would be a more effective use of resources), but it's not a given anything is actually being helped to any notable amount at this moment. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 2:07:12 AM #240 | I really don't agree with that either way. I'm actually making a breakdown of 90s vs 10s though to investigate. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 2:00:29 AM #237 | Was Arsenio Hall really that prominent. I probably wouldn't put him above the level of like Steve Harvey Oprah hasn't been replaced but some people just can't be replaced ya know. Oprah is legend. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 1:52:10 AM #230 | Funny part is that you've got a lot of those being added late in the series too, like Griff in Married With Children wasn't added until the series was almost over either. Kinda helps my point imo. But yeah I'm not saying they didn't exist, but I do feel the number was lower by a pretty wide margin than it is today. I actually made a list of shows I'd seen by year recently so I may actually be able to get a decent idea of what the 90s look like here without killing myself too much. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 1:46:04 AM #226 | Only seen one of those three in TWD, but Michonne gets a lot of screen time and importance and would be worth like 2 or 3 of the lower cast members, so I mean, it's still looking pretty good I feel. And also I think saying it's just Michonne is a bit misleading to begin with. Lots of others over the course of the series have had varying degrees of importance-- they're just dead or less important now. As far as percentages go it's probably about right. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 1:38:56 AM #222 | Well to compare, try to name 10 TV shows from the 90s that don't have entirely black casts that had one or more black main characters Cause I'm struggling to name even one, much less 55% of 90s TV shows like that top 10 list would expand to. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 1:35:55 AM #220 | Yeah And you're pretty sure based on all the knowledge of a guy 1. Doesn't know Lethal Weapon is a show on TV 2. Doesn't know if Empire is still on or not 3. Can't name any majority black casts currently on TV other than Blackish Like, are you going to argue you feel you watch enough TV to feel like you had this confidence based off of anything? Cause based on what you've projected to the topic I'm pretty skeptical And you just admitted you haven't, so yeah. Your confidence had no basis whatsoever. Thank you. (And yes I watched a lot of TV in the 90s) --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 1:28:42 AM #215 | Jakyl25 posted... Lopen posted...The fact that you assume you're right by default there though, again, not a good look. By watching TV. It's observed pretty easily. Keep in mind I didn't say you're outright "factually incorrect." I said you're "probably incorrect." Despite having probably a lot more experience with the medium (given you don't know half of these TV series even exist) I have less confidence than you, somehow. Weird! MalcolmMasher posted... I mean, Jakyl25 did provide evidence in support of his position (the "whiter resumes get more interviews" study), while the only numbers you provide have, by your own admission, been invented by you. Jakyl's study doesn't even provide (exact) numbers though. I clicked the link because I was legitimately interested and it basically was just pulling numbers out of your ass. Though on a closer read there is an actual PDF linked in there which I'm hoping does, so I'm going to read the actual methodology used and see how well it measures things I'd find interesting. Probably more actual looking into the study than Jakyl has ever done, but you know. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 1:21:42 AM #211 | The fact that you assume you're right by default there though, again, not a good look. Like it's not an easy statistic to generate and post to prove you wrong, but I'm extremely confident I'm right, particularly when you remove black people from "segregated TV shows" from the equation which again is the more important thing to me, cause as pj said a bunch of all black sitcoms being the exclusive black representation on tv isn't exactly great for racial equality anyway. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 1:18:49 AM #209 | That's pretty much what I'm saying, Malcolm, yeah. Only real change is I'd say what I'm really saying is c) You can't really fix this by attempting to fix "racism" because racism isn't the root of the problem here and it affects everyone who is descended from poverty stricken people pretty well equally at this point, regardless of race. That avoids the semantic argument that I don't really want to get into and keeps us on point. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 1:14:31 AM #205 | The fact that you think it's "factually incorrect" shows that either A. You assume anything that is against your point is factually incorrect unless proof is given to the contrary-- again, not a good look. Probably speaks a lot to your mindset in these topics and could be worked on. B. You don't watch TV anymore and thus don't really have any ground to stand on in this argument. Like to me this isn't even debatable. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 1:09:46 AM #202 | StealThisSheen posted... But there aren't really a lot of shows with half black casts, either. Most of the popular shows have maybe one or two black characters, some have none. So we've traded having more all black shows for... Lethal Weapon. There were more black people overall, maybe (I'm not sure on this, honestly, but let's say maybe) But the number of unsegregated black people has gone way up, for sure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_representation_in_Hollywood Just looking at the list of Academy Award Winners and density kinda shows a lot of progression there even since the 1990s, and as of the 21st Century we actually have representation in the awards roughly proportional to population percentage. So I mean, yeah. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
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| Lopen 10/22/17 1:03:50 AM #193 | Jakyl25 posted... Lopen posted...Your point is a completely irrelevant one to the overall point (how about trying to read anything from that paragraph other than Lethal Weapon) so I guess you're being unintentionally obtuse My point is you're wrong and zoning in on Lethal Weapon exclusively (when I wasn't even bringing that up in that context to begin with when I first mentioned it) when there's a whole paragraph there isn't a good look for your actual desire to have a discussion --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 1:01:14 AM #189 | StealThisSheen posted... To be fair, we had more shows with all black casts back then than we do today, which in itself seems like a fair opposite to the point you're trying to make. Not really. I would argue that all black shows are kinda racist, in a way. I mean obviously there is a place for all black casts as well as all white casts, but if that's like 95% of TV shows black people are in, it's sorta like you need to fill a black quota or are doing it to "get the black audience" more than it being a sign racism is going away. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 12:58:03 AM #186 | Your point is a completely irrelevant one to the overall point (how about trying to read anything from that paragraph other than Lethal Weapon) so I guess you're being unintentionally obtuse --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 12:54:22 AM #181 | Jakyl do you want to have a discussion here or not. I really feel like you're being deliberately obtuse here with a lot of things. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 12:50:27 AM #178 | Jakyl25 posted... Also Id still really like to hear your breakdown about how we got from 80 to 98 since the 90s It's called pulling numbers out of my ass, something I've said I'm doing every other time I've done it too. You trying to absorb points or just to argue it's hard to tell sometimes. But there's definitely been some improvements, though. I can't pinpoint exact numbers like stats, but you know. Like, to go back to my Lethal Weapon example, consider how many black people were in TV shows in the 90s vs today, particularly in shows where there wasn't an entire cast of black people, and you see a pretty strong difference just through observation. Alternatively, observe how many black characters were stereotypes vs now. This, to me, mostly comes from the passing of time, rather than any specific movements or protests or whatever. Also by far the main reason BLM is more effective than Occupy Wallstreet is the rise of Social Media. The people are a lot more effective at generating a voice now. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
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| Lopen 10/22/17 12:43:01 AM #175 | But it's not possible to stage or participate in protests for all of them at once, nor show similar amounts of caring for all of them at once. That's sorta the catch. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
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| Lopen 10/22/17 12:38:42 AM #172 | You can work to raise the anti-racism index from 98 to 99. I'm just saying it might be more helpful for racial equality overall to bring the poverty-equality index to 98 instead. Or the "prevent legislators from sitting on their ass and actively avoiding changing shit" index to 98 (this one currently sits at 2 I think) --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 12:28:50 AM #170 | Okay. Well I know now that you're delusional about the importance of your cause to the point you don't know what actual facts are. (Hint: Studies showing correlations are not facts, particularly when all the variables tracked within them haven't been defined all that well) --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
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| Lopen 10/22/17 12:24:15 AM #167 | I mean, you don't have to agree. I only ask that you disagree with less fervor than "you are factually incorrect" --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
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| Lopen 10/22/17 12:22:00 AM #164 | I think it's the former, because too many damning statistics continue to exist for his point to be the latter. And rather than assuming the dissenting opinion is an idiot, unless I have some other reason to think them an actual idiot, I tend to veer on the side of assuming they were not conveying what they meant effectively. Probably because he only had 30 seconds and it took me an hour of posting to unpack it enough for you to accept it as a valid viewpoint. I mean, we can talk about how Ben Stein is an asshole all day if you want. Like, I certainly wouldn't have said "big babies" but I just think it's dumbing it down a bit to call him "factually incorrect" when I feel that there are a lot of angles on the topic, many of which people who are looking at things with their racism witchhunt hat on won't even think about looking for. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
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| Lopen 10/22/17 12:11:58 AM #161 | It's the best new TV series of 2016, coming for another season Watch Lethal Weapon everyone --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XIX: Day 57 [smfffc] |
| Lopen 10/22/17 12:11:06 AM #270 | That being said don't abandon Minwu to punish him I'm Minwu's team captain, if one exists, despite him being a more consistent saver and fan of FF2-- I was the first nomination dammit! --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 12:04:36 AM #158 | Jakyl25 posted... Thats not passive dude In what way isn't it? Do you think Lethal Weapon on Fox was specifically created with an agenda to further race relations --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
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| Lopen 10/22/17 12:03:15 AM #156 | Jakyl25 posted... What the rest of us are calling Systemic Racism, Lopen is calling The Ghost of Systemic Racism because he asserts theres no new racism being inserted This is pretty accurate, yeah And without the Ghostbusters at the protest there's not really much we can do but wait it out. It's kinda just wasted energy. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 12:02:08 AM #155 | Pressure of society passively exists at this point. Lethal Weapon on Fox starring a black family as half the main cast where race is not even remotely acknowledged is doing way more to apply pressure to racists than some stupid protest is. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/21/17 11:54:29 PM #151 | Like uhhh, let's boil it down to numbers Say people's racism has a score, 0-100 Say in the 60s, society was converting everyone with a 5 or less racism to be not racist Now say in the 90s, it increased to everyone with a 80 or less Say now it's like 98 or less You ain't reachin 100. Some people just won't budge no matter what sort of stigma or whatever society puts on em from a protest, so you passively weed out the ones below the 99 threshold through attrition of the pressure of society or straight out death of old age. I just think there's better things to do with your time, in general. Even if what you're doing is protesting and even if your ultimate goal is to help black people as much as possible. Like I said I think protesting the class divide in general would be a lot more fruitful. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
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| Lopen 10/21/17 11:46:09 PM #148 | Jakyl25 posted... Lopen posted...Jakyl25 posted...Why do you think race relations are improving over time? If actively pushing issues of inequality forward isnt driving that, then what is? Because society in general isn't acting that way so you weigh your parents vs society and come to the conclusion your parent is a crazy old cook There will be some trickle down but yeah, it'll gradually be scrubbed away And please don't try to put words in my mouth, I'm not saying the Civil Rights movement did literally all the work I'm just saying I don't feel any significant strides have been made in the past 5-10 years, despite activity increasing. Like, we've sorta hit a threshold where it just doesn't matter any more and we're just waiting for the particularly stubborn people to die. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
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| Lopen 10/21/17 11:42:04 PM #143 | Jakyl25 posted... Why do you think race relations are improving over time? If actively pushing issues of inequality forward isnt driving that, then what is? Average people have a lifespan of 80 years and the days of rampant racism were 50 years ago. You figure it out. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
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| Lopen 10/21/17 11:41:12 PM #142 | StealThisSheen posted... "White people have an easier time networking, but they don't have an easier time finding success if they don't network." Keep in mind the attribution I'm giving is not because they're white, but because they're on average more wealthy or know more wealthy people, which gives them a start point. It's not "neither has an easier time if neither networks" it's "neither has an easier time if neither has no shoe into a network" --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
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| Lopen 10/21/17 11:38:08 PM #139 | Jakyl25 posted... We have gotten to the point where youve actually become Ben Stein and are belittling people for speaking up about a problem youre admitting exists I'm a realist and realize it's a problem we can't fix until more people die, and that protests are either preaching to the choir or fall on dead ears --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
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| Lopen 10/21/17 11:36:51 PM #137 | I have an understanding what privilege is Whether that matches up with fantasy land "racism causes every problem on earth" privilege is another thing, but I know what both versions are --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
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| Lopen 10/21/17 11:34:06 PM #134 | Like Here's the point. I'm going to state it as simply as possible. Let's assume, for the sake of argument, it's magical fun land, and black people and white people have been 100% indistinguishable since 1990 or so. Black people would still make way less than white people on average. By extension, they'd still be imprisoned more, because financial status matters a lot more than race with crime rate. Now the reality is, it's more like 80% or 85% at this point, which sucks but you're not going to do all that much better in any sort of realistic world regardless of how much you protest and such, but it's still "why are you harping on this quite so much and trying to attribute all these other problems exclusively to that." --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
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| Lopen 10/21/17 11:29:24 PM #131 | Jakyl25 posted... Like SEP is saying, this is literally what systemic racism is You continue to ignore my point. I feel like this is intentional at this point. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
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| Lopen 10/21/17 11:26:35 PM #128 | Jakyl25 posted... Racism -> Civil Rights Movement -> No Racism? Racism -> Civil Rights Movement -> Gradually decreasing racism to the point where it's not the core of the problem anymore in the year 2017 (and wasn't in 2007 either) --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
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| Lopen 10/21/17 11:25:44 PM #126 | xp1337 posted... So you're saying it would be equally easy (or difficult, whichever you prefer) to form one? Yes, it would be equally difficult to start one from literally nothing. Terastodon posted... It is a system that is in place that happens to benefit white people over minorities My point is it's not something that's able to be solved by "improving race relations." Like, I'm not saying there's not a problem. I'm saying the cause of the problem is being misrepresented. The problem is something that targets communities and specific economic backgrounds. Black people get hit by it with a higher ratio, but that doesn't make it "systemic racism" it makes it a lingering effect from many years ago Put it another way, if America had always been in this exact state of race relations, from the start, I feel black and white people would on average be about as financially well off-- but black people are playing from behind to start, so because of the way the system works, it's gonna take some time catch up. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
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| Lopen 10/21/17 11:18:29 PM #121 | StealThisSheen posted... How is "Jeff has a natural social network already. John has to work to build one up." not a big advantage. It's a big advantage, I acknowledge that. And I'm saying it's caused by how our society's economics work along with rampant racism from 50 years ago, moreso than any ongoing race issue. Jakyl was saying that "if you're a white dude that doesn't have a natural social network you're still way ahead of a black dude" And that's what I disagree with. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
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| Lopen 10/21/17 11:16:59 PM #120 | Jakyl25 posted... Why is this not systemic racism? Would it help if I called it systemic racial bias? It's not racism though. It's a natural product of black people being naturally included in wealthy communities due to racism of the past. If you did a breakdown by like, home state, you'd have similar biases going on, but that doesn't make it about race even if a certain state has a higher percentage of black people than not. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
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| Lopen 10/21/17 11:12:38 PM #115 | There's a difference between creating a network and just having one because of people you naturally know. Creating a network actually is hard work-- I would argue if you're making connections just to game the employment system, then you are actually working hard. Many whites have a lot more ease in just having a natural social network, or can create one quicker. That's the privilege. Like as a very basic example, compare the ease in getting a job in your hometown vs moving to another city where you know hardly anyone there. But like, a very skilled person can definitely succeed in spite of not playing the system. Actually being really good at what you do will get you far. Most people would sooner settle for mediocrity and just talk to the right people instead. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
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| Lopen 10/21/17 11:07:27 PM #110 | StealThisSheen posted... I mean, what's basically happening is you're going If we continue with this analogy, I'm saying White people more often have two legs, but a white person with one leg is going to succeed as well as a black person with one leg, whereas Jakyl is claiming that black people not only more often have one leg but also have more trouble winning foot races against one legged white people. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
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| Lopen 10/21/17 11:04:31 PM #104 | It's less difficult for a white person to succeed, in the general case. It's not less difficult for a white person to succeed purely through hard work. It's equally difficult. Pretty straightforward My whole point is the cause of this isn't racism, but rather white people coming from several generations where it was actually possible to make it through hard work rather than just one. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
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| Lopen 10/21/17 11:02:20 PM #100 | StealThisSheen posted... Gee I wonder why that is. Yes. I literally said that is what white privilege is a few posts ago. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
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| Lopen 10/21/17 11:01:07 PM #98 | I mean, I don't really think it's an advanced term either cause yeah I mean it's pretty straightforward what it means But it's like If you're hung up on phrasing and not making any sort of point, you're probably trying to impress someone rather than actually contribute to the conversation, which like, there's the door, dude. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
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| Lopen 10/21/17 10:57:27 PM #93 | Jakyl25 posted...
This is your opinion, yes. And I would disagree with you on that and say that perception is entirely due to poor work ethic in general among all Americans. The advantage white people have is all in ease of creating connections and inheriting money without working for it. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XIX: Day 57 [smfffc] |
| Lopen 10/21/17 10:56:10 PM #268 | Destroy Eddv if he abandoned a trade No mercy --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
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| Lopen 10/21/17 10:55:18 PM #91 | I prefer to talk in plain English rather to make my point clear than try to impress people by making them wikipedia half of what I say It's something that people who actually have something worth saying tend to do from time to time --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
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