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| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 3:45:42 PM #361 | I see you read arguments about as well as LackeyLazuli. I'll try to keep to 160 characters per post in the future. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XIX: Day 57 [smfffc] |
| Lopen 10/22/17 3:28:41 PM #303 | It profiles as something I'd be mocking as ridiculous but Adelle being top rated FFT character isn't too upsetting to me. It is pretty weird because she's from FFT Advance 2 of all games and isn't a joke but yeah. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 3:23:39 PM #359 | I mean we could post more Trump tweets to laugh at ad nauseam I guess. Put the topic back in a safe place for you --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 3:02:17 PM #357 | And to be clear it isn't all his fault. Like I started by attacking his list credibility, which is gonna put him on the defensive. Like I gave up when he started veering off heavily into "wow I picked poor choices if I was doctoring the data" cause we were so off the point I was getting at at that point it felt like a lost cause. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 2:58:26 PM #355 | The difference a random Joe has is the method of creating the list is less biased Like it's not as if I'm automatically conceding the point entirely if Joe Schmo comes in. It's I'm not discarding their list as nonsense. That being said, through reevaluating the causes of discrepancy between the lists, I think doing this by each network, is probably the more accurate way to do it because like Nick or UPN would probably be an extreme outlier in the 90s which would skew the whole batch pretty heavily. And the only network my list reaches close to enough coverage on in that regard is Fox, and even that one isn't sufficient. So SEP was right but he wasn't very effective at conveying why. But yeah, I concede! --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Final Fantasy: Brave Exvius Topic 39 - As the Crowe Flies |
| Lopen 10/22/17 2:35:11 PM #177 | I just wanna know if I can make X-Death 7* by fusing two of my super hard to obtain 6* X-Deaths Like if it wasn't a rainbow exclusive buff that could actually be pretty cool. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 2:20:56 PM #352 | LapisLazuli posted... I read the argument Most ridiculous post of the topic, to be sure. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 2:14:23 PM #350 | Actually no that literally was conceding the point to SEP (his point wasn't that there was more in the 90s, just that different lists are going to be in wildly different proportions because of higher concentrations in certain areas), there. If you'd actually read the arguments instead of just blindly supporting the poster you like more like you always do you'd know as much --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 2:09:52 PM #347 | BTW LapisLazuli had nothing to do with that concession because I don't think he's ever read an argument with the intent to discuss anything in his life --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 2:08:40 PM #346 | Now that being said, even if you were to normalize SEP's to my selection's proportions, and extend them out to 50 each, you'd still get a pretty different tale from mine. It'd be about 60% even on both sides. So I think I'd probably change my argument to "Non-children's programming in general is a lot better in this regard from the 90s vs Today" or "Broadcast TV programming" since uh, yeah, that's mostly what mine is on both sides. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Rate the Character Day 41: Kurt Angle (WWE) |
| Lopen 10/22/17 2:04:22 PM #8 | Angle has a lot going for him as a character unlike a lot of wrestling characters you could potentially list. He has this goofy nerd side that usually shines through when he's cutting promos, which is done up to the point that you could call being uncool a legit character flaw of his But when the time is needed to get serious, he can focus entirely on The First I, Intensity, and immediately become a no nonsense dangerous and credible threat. I'd say he's somewhat damaged by some inconsistency in his writing. In the early parts of his career, like his first year or so, he was basically too ridiculous sometimes, and in the later parts of his career in WWECW and TNA, when he was basically The First I all the time. 8.2/10 --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 1:36:28 PM #343 | Mr Lasastryke posted... like, if their '90s list would have more TV shows with black characters than your '90s list (because it contained more nickelodeon shows than adult sitcoms), would it be fake by default? Uh, no. Do you actually not understand why a list created with this topic in mind, specifically from the mind of a person who has been arguing a topic for an hour, who is specifically working to reach a quota of 30, would contain some amount of bias in favor of their point? Like I can accept I'm wrong, just do it with a method that doesn't have an extreme selection bias like that. Also my bad on Clueless I literally just remembered it as all blondes. Hated that show. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 6:12:39 AM #331 | You won stop hitting me. I'm just going to delete that message because I actually am not trying to call you stupid here believe it or not. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 5:59:37 AM #327 | No, my basis is you made it in 10 minutes and it has mostly shows from my list. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 5:58:10 AM #324 | Nick sux. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 5:56:35 AM #322 | Believe me this is doing the opposite of helping me sleep. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 5:55:32 AM #321 | Like, there are a lot things I'd accept defeat on 1. Actual randomly generated list doesn't come close to my proportions 2. Actual exhaustive list from you doesn't come close 3. Someone saying,"nah dude you're misremembering those statistics classes from 10 years ago" You half assing a list that has a biased creation process though? Not good enough. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 5:52:02 AM #319 | I said you couldn't by not cherry picking You cherry picked (not willfully, just by nature of our discussion combined with half assing it) Pretty straightforward! --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 5:49:29 AM #317 | Like it's easy to agree to disagree when that in and of itself is winning the argument because your argument is literally shaking your fist at basic statistics and trying to make them out to be something that's like a matter of opinion or something. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 5:47:25 AM #314 | Your list is real. Your effort put into it is fake. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 5:44:36 AM #312 | If you had an actual process for creating your list that wasn't inherently biased yes I would accept it. Taking what you remember of my list, naming the first 10 shows that come to mind to fit the quota, when you've been thinking about shows that fit criteria you're arguing for the past hour. Like how do you not see an inherent bias there. Boggles the mind. This isn't being stubborn or trying to win an argument it's just basic common sense. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 5:36:17 AM #307 | I'm just saying if you actually looked at every show, your list would be a lot longer and it'd be less skewed in favor of the point you're making Like I'm not saying you're outright lying to win an argument, just that half assing this when you clearly have examples of each side on your mind is a very easy way to have an inaccurate list that's grossly skewed in favor of your point. Those are the ones you're thinking of at the time. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 5:31:28 AM #304 | I'm saying your list is primed with a bias and that combined with the fact you covered both so quickly and were specifically aiming for 30 makes me discard your list because it's the definition of cherry picked --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 5:29:37 AM #302 | StealThisSheen posted... And you WEREN'T going in with criteria? Come on, now. The only thing telling us yours is exhaustive is your word, which means shit since you're refusing to accept mine. If you're wanting to say my list is made with an agenda, then just say that to begin with. I'm saying I had my list for other reasons Johnbobb can attest to. If you don't don't believe that that's fine. Dont bullshit about statistics when you don't know anything about them, though. That wastes both of our time. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 5:26:55 AM #300 | Like the fact that you literally admitted to cherry picking outright by saying you only needed to get to 30, and think I'm being unreasonable to discard your list. Come on, dude. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 5:25:08 AM #297 | If your list isn't actually exhaustive it's cherry picking Going into this discussion, you were primed with this as your goal, so of course you're going to immediately remember more shows that fit the criteria you're looking for on each end, and if you're specifically working to reach a quota then yeah, those other shows that would balance it out don't come into play --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 5:21:26 AM #295 | I'm damming it less because of what you added and more the proportions of what you retained from mine, the mindset going in when you made it, and the fact you took no time at all doing it. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 5:18:44 AM #293 | StealThisSheen posted... And that's not fair at all. I literally even warned you I watched a lot of Nickelodeon, which is a majority of what I added. You can't go "You can't question my list!" and then try to tell me my list is fake. I can and am doing just that actually, and unlike you its not because I don't like the percentages --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 5:17:15 AM #292 | My point is better because it's actually a correct sampling of what I've watched made by scouring every Wikipedia page. Yours is just what you remember from my list combined with what you remembered to append to others. Not really an accurate sample. Like it's kinda damming when you copy 14/18 of my shows with black people and add like 7 of your own, and like 7 from the other side and add one. I have extreme doubts your list is particularly accurate. Just the mindset you generated the lists with, really, combined with the fact it took you 5 minutes when it took me literally hours. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 5:11:14 AM #289 | Vin Diesel is literally Pitch Black, dude. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 5:10:42 AM #288 | Honestly it looks like you took my list, threw as many shows with black characters onto the yes pile on 90s and as many all white shows as possible on 10s and called it a day. Also half of those 10s shows are 00s shows --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 5:06:49 AM #286 | Also how the hell is Burn Notice a no. Jesse? --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 5:04:26 AM #283 | No goddamn way you made an actual exhaustive list that fast. Making those lists initially took literally hours --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 5:02:35 AM #282 | I think any character with some notable role in the majority of episodes after their introduction is good enough, personally. If you throw out Griff you throw out an awful lot, including most from both of my lists as well as Jakyl's --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 4:59:50 AM #279 | Yeah I don't doubt Griff one bit. Legit main character there. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 4:57:36 AM #276 | That's the 80s dude Actually ironically more 80s shows came to mind than 90s when I brought it up. A Team and Night Court came to mind pretty immediately --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 4:53:33 AM #273 | If you want a good method, search Wikipedia for TV series by year https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Television_series_debuts_by_year That being said I'm sorry for inflicting this on you. I won't think less of you if you don't it's a colossal waste of time. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XIX: Day 57 [smfffc] |
| Lopen 10/22/17 4:34:46 AM #273 | Hey, I said no mercy for eddv! Have mercy on me! I've never reneged on a trade ever! --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 4:31:36 AM #270 | Forceful_Dragon posted... Though couldn't we put the issue to rest by selecting 50~ shows at random from each list and check their casts? Yeah that's definitely a better way to do it I just happened to have a list of every show I'd watched (I intended to make a ripoff of Johnbobb's topic at one point) so it was significantly easier to do. If I wanted a more definitive answer, then yeah. I only really was going to post it out of interest, and then when the number was that high I was like "yeah, okay, you guys don't watch TV and I do I was totally right here" --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 4:27:41 AM #268 | I mean, even assuming Vikings and Game of Thrones were on my list, and Mike Tyson's mysteries were not, it only changes it to 28/34 which is still 82% which is still pretty damn far off from the other one. 73% black shows in the 90s? Not buying it. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 4:21:14 AM #263 | That is literally the definition of cherry picking. I'm saying by using your honest list. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 4:16:05 AM #261 | Well, how large would your show list be, though. Like I seriously doubt if you name 30+ shows from each without cherry picking that you're getting it anywhere near single digits. Like there becomes a point where you need more, but 47 and 31 shows are actually plenty to get a margin of error within like 25%, which is still a range that can't catch both of those so I mean yeah. This wouldn't be accepted in any sort of official study, but like I'm not lying to you here. When the margin is that ridiculous high you don't really need all that many samples to be reasonably confident there's a statistically significant difference. Pinpointing the difference, obviously you need much more, but just to be pretty sure there's a notable difference the number you need goes way down if it's far off enough. Like basically, if you assume the wikipedia page is right and that 1710 television series came out in the 90s, a sample size of 47 would in a range of around +/- 14% of being accurate to the entire sample assuming I'm remembering this crap right (very possible I'm not!). 30 would put you at around +/- 18%, so I mean, even assuming both stats are skewed in the most favorable way it'd be 72% vs 47% which is still a pretty significant difference. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 3:56:18 AM #259 | StealThisSheen posted... Lopen posted...It absolutely is fair when the totals are 47 vs 31 when the percentages are that off, actually. No, I'm telling you it actually is, mathematically speaking. Yeah it's not a lot but the margin of error actually decreases by enough even at this sample size that you know if the percentages are that far off it's statistically significant. This is if you assume my random sampling is actually random, of course. Which yeah, if you think I actually care enough to doctor the data to that extent then we don't really have anything to argue about since you're not going to trust me in general. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 3:48:24 AM #257 | Also Deke is a major character and also more relevant than Hibbert and Carl combined and by a large margin. Also gets more than "a little every show" in the episodes he's in. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 3:42:43 AM #255 | It absolutely is fair when the totals are 47 vs 31 when the percentages are that off, actually. And I think Earl gets more plot relevance and screentime than Carl & Hibbert combined, and by a large margin at that, but I mean if you really wanna count Simpsons that's fine. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 3:35:06 AM #253 | Yeah it wasn't meant to be a representative list. I said it was one of shows I've watched. But I mean when the difference is 90% to 33%, you'd basically have to be accusing me of doctoring the data outright to not think that means something. One shows 90%, one shows 33%. If you know anything about standard deviation you know that matters assuming pretty much any random set of shows. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 3:32:08 AM #251 | I count Mike Tyson's Mysteries because I watch Mike Tyson's Mysteries I don't count Hey Arnold because I don't watch Hey Arnold. Pretty clear! I counted every cartoon with a humanoid cast that I've watched. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Dropped Galaxy S5 in toilet... broken now... |
| Lopen 10/22/17 3:26:22 AM #14 | Yeah. A $250 phone can do that stuff easily. Even HD stuff. Even Blu Ray quality stuff. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 142: You know what you're getting into |
| Lopen 10/22/17 3:19:42 AM #249 | By the way, I made up the lists. My list of black representation in TV series for 10s vs 90s came out to 19/47 for (4 of those being all black comedies) for the 1990s vs 29/31 for the 2010s (only all black show I'd name really is Empire. Blackish & Luke Cage don't really count imo) (should be 29/32 cause I forgot literally The Big Bang Theory) So uh, yeah, when I say "it's obvious if you watch TV" it is quite obvious if you watch TV. I suspected SEP's list might not have been representative when literally BBT and Vikings (obvious reasons on the latter, and with BBT actually standing out for it on the former) were on it. Obviously, this is just a sample of shows I've watched, but it's large enough that I think it's fairly conclusive evidence that I am in fact correct on this. List if anyone is interested: https://pastebin.com/1sdX1Uiw --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Dropped Galaxy S5 in toilet... broken now... |
| Lopen 10/22/17 2:50:59 AM #12 | Future proofing is a bad idea with phones I feel particularly if you're not maximizing your need for them right now. Cause yeah hardware is gonna fail most often which happens no matter your specs. But screen is a thing, I guess. I just ask because I don't think you're a mobile gamer and like middle of the line phones can crush anything that isn't a game pretty easily at this point I feel. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
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