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TopicSave My Favourite Final Fantasy Characters III-2: Day 19 [the] [smfffc]
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01/20/18 3:14:49 PM
#32
Sephiroth;Roni
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 428: 25 Years of RAW, Unmitigated Malfeasance
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01/20/18 3:11:09 PM
#18
Rusev doesn't speak to the people of India though
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TopicI'm bad at video games
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01/20/18 3:07:49 PM
#71
Yeah I would say Marvel is very easy on the whole with execution on the grand scheme of things. Pressing a low amount of buttons can create a large amount of garbage on the screen and the timing windows are generally pretty generous-- that game is about screen awareness and keeping your composure more than anything. People drop so many combos because it's that damn chaotic

Many fighters have seemed more difficult than Melee to me though, on an execution level. I mean I haven't been top level at any of them, Melee included, but I do know them well enough to not be totally out of my depth here on what the game requires-- I mean I can do crap like wavedashing, know some combos and theory. I just don't really like Melee in general. But like, compared to SFIV I drop a lot more stuff in SFIV despite having more time put into it.

Just because you need to press buttons less rapidly, much like with League, doesn't mean there aren't mechanics there. The big thing that Melee seems a lot more forgiving on than something like, SFIV, is processing the proper delays between your attacks. It looks more impressive because you're literally breaking your hand, but I don't think there are nearly as many frame precise things in Smash vs something like SFIV, or even, most fighters, really, which imo makes them actually more difficult despite being easier on your hands.
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TopicI'm bad at video games
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01/20/18 2:54:45 PM
#69
Still though regardless League requiring the dexterity of pretty much any fighter is laughable which is the main thing that provoked the comment.

Like yeah there's execution there but the reason to make an argument League is more complicated and difficult to master than a fighter (which I think is a fair argument to make, though I'm not sure I agree with it) has nothing to do with mechanics. It has to do with gameflow and map awareness more than anything which dwarfs the equivalent in a fighting game.

You may think it does-- that's because you haven't put nearly the effort into Blazblue or Marvel that you have into League. League might have like, a small handful of characters that you could make an argument for being as skill intensive as a bog standard fighting game character but on the whole they're really really not.
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TopicI'm bad at video games
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01/20/18 2:49:53 PM
#66
Time doesn't just mean playing. Time means following the communities, watching the streams, etc etc.

Unless you're saying you don't even like Melee then I stand corrected.
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TopicI'm bad at video games
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01/20/18 2:40:56 PM
#60
Starcraft and CS: GO definitely deserve to be on the pedestal I'm more talking trying to put Melee on that same pedestal and saying League = Fighting Games on the whole. Clear bias towards games you've put more time into there.
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TopicSave My Favourite Final Fantasy Characters III-2: Day 18 [visual] [smfffc]
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01/20/18 2:27:10 PM
#116
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TopicI'm bad at video games
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01/20/18 2:23:03 PM
#58
Well we see clearly now that KP just equates "required dexterity" for "I like this game more" but that aside I do agree you're underestimating the required "skill" in a moba either way
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TopicI'm bad at video games
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01/20/18 2:20:06 PM
#55
GranzonEx posted...
you need to be more mechanically gifted to be good at fighters


You need to be mechanically gifted to be among the best in the world at them. You need fundamental understanding of concepts and some basic combos with decent execution to be good at them.
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TopicFate/Grand Order Topic 8: Saber Wars - The Last Arthur
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01/20/18 2:16:13 PM
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It seems situational, or very good if you've got a servant who is harshly debuffing themselves (like Jeanne)
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TopicI'm bad at video games
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01/20/18 2:14:02 PM
#53
GranzonEx posted...
challenger is just diamond 1s that grind a lot, like probably 12 hours a day of grind to stay there


And diamond 1s, for a lot of people I imagine, are just diamond 5s that play the game more. Obviously there are skill walls somewhere but being a "diamond 1" who got there just by playing a lot doesn't necessarily mean you're one of the best in the world at the game, either.

Like I'm sure there are a ton of people at varying levels of diamond levels that are actually really platinum players on skill level. I'm probably a gold player on skill level (well, nowadays after having been absent from the game for like 3 years that's probably generous but let's say peak Lopen) but if I grind enough I can reach platinum if I want since I've played with enough platinum players to know as much and have seen how much my ranking can vary based on how much I play in any given season.

Not that you actually ever got diamond 1 and it's hot air to begin with but yeah
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TopicI'm bad at video games
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01/20/18 1:53:15 PM
#41
Also if you're in training mode for 40 minutes regularly getting one frame links or whatever and can't consider yourself a bit better than "decent" at your local fighting game scene I'm wondering if there's something that's fundamentally not clicking with you or if you have the uber god mode local fighting game scene to end all local fighting game scenes. There's so much in fighting games that isn't about timing windows and such.

I mean in SF4 when I did a bit of training for EVO I got pretty good with Juri just learning a couple of simple combos-- nothing super tough. You generally only need the hardcore combos when you're at the absolute top level and you need to extract every last bit of damage out of every bit offense you've got. But I mean, keeping a cool head under pressure, spacing, what to do when the other guy is down-- you don't learn that stuff in training mode and that's way more important than one frame links or whatever.
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TopicI'm bad at video games
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01/20/18 1:46:22 PM
#37
Honestly you can improve in fighting games to the level where you can improve at LoL just by playing the game pretty equally I think. Full disclosure I've probably haven't gone into training mode for more than a few hours total combined in my entire life and while I'm not pro level, guess what, "diamond 1" isn't either.

I'm no fighting game master or anything but I have gone to EVO to be fodder for fun and wasn't completely blown out, and got a decent rating in Marvel 3 online when I actually played it.

Like the level of mastery you're comparing is more like high challenger level dedication-- forget diamond 1.
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TopicI'm bad at video games
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01/20/18 1:39:44 PM
#33
Well you don't have to be that hardcore to enjoy a fighter

You do need to progress beyond a very basic level of hitting buttons until one of the two sides falls down though
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TopicWith Dragonball FighterZ releasing soon, what other shows/movies
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01/20/18 1:25:58 PM
#14
I'd really like an Avatar The Last Airbender fighter.
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Topic~^~^~^~Save My Star Wars Character I: The Phantom Contest~^~^~^~ *ROUND 16*
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01/20/18 1:24:48 PM
#24
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TopicI'm bad at video games
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01/20/18 1:20:08 PM
#30
I mean differential skill may not entirely matter. There are reasons you could enjoy the game less unrelated to losing. Just clown mashing with your friends might not be satisfying to you because none of you have any idea of what you're doing, not because of win rate.

I mean I could name dozens of things I liked more once I learned how to play them a bit better. And because of stuff like matchmaking, my friends also being bad at them, and frankly not really being a sore loser to begin with, I can't really say it's because my win rate went up. Hell Virtua Fighter is a great example of a series that I thought was incredibly boring until I actually learned it a bit-- I'm still not very good at Virtua Fighter but I do actually enjoy it now. Marvel vs Capcom games get a lot more interesting when you actually start to understand how assists work and when to call them, and can reliably do some basic combos, etc etc. Not just fighters though. Chess is probably the best example of a game I appreciated more as I got better at it.

Or for an example of a game I know you actually play, League of Legends. You're telling me you never started to appreciate that game more once you got more of a clue what you were doing?
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TopicI'm bad at video games
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01/20/18 1:46:21 AM
#21
Reg posted...
I'm fairly competitive among my friends in fighting games. They're just not fun.


This could just mean all your friends are bad at them too.
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TopicSave My Favourite Final Fantasy Characters III-2: Day 15 [come] [smfffc]
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01/19/18 8:31:22 PM
#99
you LIE
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TopicSave My Favourite Final Fantasy Characters III-2: Day 15 [come] [smfffc]
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01/19/18 8:30:51 PM
#97
bot how many times have I saved roni overall
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TopicSave My Favourite Final Fantasy Characters III-2: Day 15 [come] [smfffc]
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01/19/18 8:27:03 PM
#93
Mothra did you not hear me I said Roni
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TopicSave My Favourite Final Fantasy Characters III-2: Day 15 [come] [smfffc]
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01/19/18 8:24:01 PM
#88
Ask mothra
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TopicSave My Favourite Final Fantasy Characters III-2: Day 15 [come] [smfffc]
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01/19/18 8:23:12 PM
#85
Rikku;Roni
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Topic1006-verse: The women glow and the men plunder [TEW] [mod] [crossover] [wrassle]
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01/19/18 2:57:34 PM
#356
Haha yeah I got why it happened. I thought it was funny though. Funny enough to flood the topic (it looks like things are happening!)
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Topic1006-verse: The women glow and the men plunder [TEW] [mod] [crossover] [wrassle]
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01/19/18 2:41:12 PM
#353
I saw your harsh words and you can't take them back.
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Topic1006-verse: The women glow and the men plunder [TEW] [mod] [crossover] [wrassle]
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01/19/18 2:39:50 PM
#351
IhatethisCPU posted...
Note to self: no one would be amused if I gave Raidou Kuzunoha 'Simmering Tension' with every ginger in the database.


Speak for the rest of them not me
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TopicFire Emblem Heroes Discussion Topic Part 13: Happy New Year!
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01/19/18 2:37:03 PM
#126
Really hoping the next CYL has a high concentration of non Fates/Awakening characters taking the top slots so we see a bit more diversity in the game representation
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TopicFire Emblem Heroes Discussion Topic Part 13: Happy New Year!
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01/19/18 12:28:33 AM
#120
Most 3-4* rarities I've wanted to +10 I've been able to get enough copies by pulls on the color when I'm going for someone else pretty easily.

I think this banner would be an okay idea if the 4* focus units were 4* base exclusively. I'd actually draw on a 4* focus if the right 4* base was featured.
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TopicFinal Fantasy Record Keeper Topic 35: So long Torment farming!
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01/19/18 12:25:23 AM
#338
I got Terra's burst with it. Which I'm actually happy to get despite my Terra still being level 1 since it's a fire boosting bracer.
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TopicSave My Favourite Final Fantasy Characters III-2: Day 8 [the] [smfffc]
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01/18/18 5:26:37 PM
#137
Edward;Faris
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Topic~^~^~^~Save My Star Wars Character I: The Phantom Contest~^~^~^~ *ROUND 15*
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01/18/18 5:25:49 PM
#8
R5-D4 beep boop
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Topic1006-verse: The women glow and the men plunder [TEW] [mod] [crossover] [wrassle]
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01/18/18 4:24:55 PM
#338
J. Maximum is awesome
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TopicSave My Favourite Final Fantasy Characters III-2: Day 7 [hello] [smfffc]
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01/18/18 2:26:14 PM
#150
edward;rydia
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TopicKing of Mercenaries Rumble Topic 6: Endgame
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01/18/18 2:25:30 PM
#366
Fighting game lore in general I think is the most interesting stuff in video games to read about. It's really cool to piece everything that happens together. It's not like something like an RPG where a single game can adequately explain it coherently and if you read about it it's all fan speculation or opinion pieces.
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TopicFriendly reminder: Ermine is addicted to pom
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01/18/18 2:14:41 PM
#15
Marked Gatarix for offtopic posting as this title doesn't say Ermine is addicted to mutt.
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TopicFriendly reminder: Ermine is addicted to pom
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01/18/18 2:11:40 PM
#11
But I still don't know if we're talking about dogs or the drink
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TopicMetal Gear Survive gameplay footage. [zombies ][crafting] [kojimaless]
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01/18/18 12:38:55 PM
#14
You lost me at [zombies]
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 427: If Sarah Logan wins, we Riott [rusev day]
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01/18/18 1:17:13 AM
#474
Well neither one should be on the list. I could maybe accept the Roman at the tail end of a top 100 list or something just for the crowd reaction

Occupy Raw is like... "WWE is saying this is a big deal so it is a big deal." You might as well put "Stephanie McMahon announces the Women's Royal Rumble" on there.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 427: If Sarah Logan wins, we Riott [rusev day]
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01/18/18 1:08:20 AM
#472
At least Roman got a reaction even if it was negative

Who cared about Occupy Raw I mean really
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 427: If Sarah Logan wins, we Riott [rusev day]
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01/18/18 12:48:11 AM
#470
TheRock1525 posted...
3. Occupy RAW (March 10, 2014)


Honestly dumber than the Roman thing being #6 by a pretty wide margin
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TopicFate/Grand Order Topic 8: Saber Wars - The Last Arthur
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01/18/18 12:45:10 AM
#195
Mac Arrowny posted...
It's great for Jeanne!


... oh yeah

That's pretty neat actually. Will be good until she gets her NP buff
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TopicFate/Grand Order Topic 8: Saber Wars - The Last Arthur
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01/18/18 12:02:27 AM
#189
Did 6 draws on Byrn's banner. See how weak I am.

Got the Vessel of the Saint CE I guess that might be useful
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Topic^King of the Mountain^ - Save My Bounty Hunter - Day 44
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01/17/18 7:29:06 PM
#46
Bishop
Sol Badguy
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Topic~^~^~^~Save My Star Wars Character I: The Phantom Contest~^~^~^~ *ROUND 14*
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01/17/18 7:24:59 PM
#32
R5-D4 beep boop
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TopicSave My Favourite Final Fantasy Characters Reruns: STATS & Discussion 1
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01/17/18 4:59:22 PM
#238
If blackscar was not wrongly banned and Gmun was Gilgamesh would've won easily

Corruption in the system at work
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Topic~*~ SMFFFC II-2 FINALS: GILGAMESH vs LAGUNA, t2 [smfffc] ~*~
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01/17/18 9:52:35 AM
#207
Thanks @Gadolt
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Topic~*~ SMFFFC II-2 FINALS: GILGAMESH vs LAGUNA, t2 [smfffc] ~*~
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01/17/18 9:50:25 AM
#205
Gilgamesh

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Topic~*~ SMFFFC II-2 FINALS: GILGAMESH vs LAGUNA, t2 [smfffc] ~*~
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01/16/18 10:21:08 PM
#141
Gilgamesh
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