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TopicSave My Satan: Day 21 [sms]
Johnbobb
10/21/22 9:12:11 PM
#38
Him

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TopicRate the VG Story Day 471: Jak 3
Johnbobb
10/21/22 8:32:50 PM
#4
8.5

best Jak game by far, and a pretty satisfying conclusion

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TopicSave My Satan: Day 21 [sms]
Johnbobb
10/21/22 7:50:52 PM
#21
UNSAFE [20]
[1] Beelzeboss (Tenacious D in the Pick of Destiny)
[1] Black Phillip (The VVitch)
[0] Chernabog (Fantasia)
[1] Dark Prince/Satan (Puyo Puyo)
[0] Devimon (Digimon)
[0] Diablo (Diablo)
[0] HIM (The Powerpuff Girls)
[1] Lucifer (Helltaker)
[0] Lucifer (Supernatural)
[1] Mephisto (Marvel Comics)
[1] Ned Flanders as the Devil (The Simpsons Treehouse of Horror)
[0] Pac-Devil (Pac-Man World Rally)
[0] Robot Devil (Futurama)
[0] Sadao Maou (The Devil is a Part-Timer)
[1] Satan (Ghosts n Goblins)
[1] Satan (Paradise Lost)
[0] Satan (South Park)
[0] The Devil (Bedazzled)
[0] The Devil (Cuphead)
[0] Zorc Necrophades (Yu-Gi-Oh!)

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TopicSave My Satan: Day 21 [sms]
Johnbobb
10/21/22 7:48:30 PM
#18
Lou

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TopicGame of Gen 6 - Nominations
Johnbobb
10/21/22 7:48:14 PM
#100
Jak & Daxter: The Precursor Legacy
Jak II
Jak 3 (how has the best Jak game not gotten any nominations???)
Kirby: Nightmare in Dream Land
Kirby Air Ride
God of War
God of War II
Sonic Adventure
Sonic Heroes
SoulCalibur
Tony Hawk's Underground
Tony Hawk's Underground 2
Tony Hawk's American Wasteland
Def Jam: Fight for New York
Tekken 5
Bully
Flatout 2
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time
Prince of Persia: The Two Thrones

19/20, I'll save my last for now

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TopicBoard 8 Watches and Ranks Organized Crime Films: THE RANKING
Johnbobb
10/21/22 6:56:55 PM
#221
Outlier Ranking
rockus: 118
Snake: 102
plasma: 100
ssbm: 99
John: 98
Poke: 91
Vis: 89
Mythiot: 86
Tangy: 85
seginus: 79
Karo: 76

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TopicBoard 8 Watches and Ranks Organized Crime Films: THE RANKING
Johnbobb
10/21/22 6:51:36 PM
#220
Rockus
Probably a weaker Scorsese film, which just means its pretty good instead of outstanding. Daniel Day-Lewis is incredible though Ive always felt that Cameron Diaz was probably miscast. Great gallery of whos who faces among its supporting cast from Brendan Gleeson and Jim Broadbent to John C. Reilly among others. Wish Scorsese would have tackled more pre-20th century periods in his work because I love the production details here.

seginus
Scorsese's grisly period piece commands a loaded cast, but with the drawback that neither Diaz nor DiCaprio can truly suppress their California drawl from chillaxing its way into the dialogue. Oim a foighter, oil kick yer arse from the 10 to the 405 all the way to Mulholland where you belong, dude! Anyway, this is another avenge-the-father quest set to slow burn - to me it's not totally clear why Amsterdam takes so long to get his revenge but I guess it doesn't matter. One thing I noticed this time around was all the irony around the use of the term 'Native American' when referring to the protestant faction. 'Natives beware foreign invaders!'. Kinda funny there, huh? Some of this blood must go right to the elevator in The Shining. Good movie, not quite great. It feels less immersive on rewatch.

John
I'm very glad I included this film on the organized crime list, specifically because despite the subject matter seeming a little different on paper, it still has that distinct feeling of a Scorsese mob film. These brutes in the mid-1800s New York slums are a fary cry from the 1950s Italian mafia, but all the pieces are still there: corruption in the politcians and police, smaller crime families absorbed into larger factions, and perhaps most importantly, the always-notable "otherness" that leads to gangs of outsiders forming. In the 1800s here, it's the immigrated Irish rather than Italians, as history repeats itself. Now this is nowhere near Scorsese's best works, but it still has some powerful messages to put across and presents them in a brutally violent way.

ssbm
Rating: C-

This movie, in theory, should be up my alley. I love learning about Civil War-era America and Scorsese is a director I can trust to do historical movies with flair. It's got Daniel Day-Lewis and Leonardo DiCaprio. Well, Day-Lewis is excellent as Bill. I especially like his speech to Amsterdam about his father and then immediately turning on Amsterdam in the next scene, branding him and throwing him away. I also like Bill just taking Amsterdam under his wing and how he treats someone as a squire to him. Amsterdam...not so good. I dunno what it is about Leo's acting, but it just feels off in this movie. I also feel he kinda has "plot armor" or, at least, "plot significance." I don't see why all the gangs rally to Amsterdam around the end of the movie other than the fact that he's the Priest's son.

The politics is pretty great, especially everything with Boss Tweed. I loved the scenes where McGinn is getting elected to Sheriff. I like the Civil War scenes, at least up until the Draft Riots. I liked the Draft Riots at first, but there's something that really bothers me about it overtaking the Amsterdam/Bill showdown at the climax of the movie. I get the symbolism of the war just completely swallowing up the Five Points politics and how it feels insignificant compared to the war. It's just not satisfying to watch. After the Draft Riots, the rest of the movie feels like an afterthought and it feels like Leo and Day-Lewis both feel that way too.

Tangy
Gangs of New York is remarkably decent. It moves at a decent pace, DDL absolutely kills it as Bill the Butcher and I adore the setting, yet I still have it pretty low. As crazy as it is, I think my problem is actually Leo. Revenge plots can be pretty great, but to pull it off you actually need the lead to be more likable than the villain! Like how am I supposed to root for this guy, with DDL off to the side throwing around knives and shit. Its still a fun enough movie, but its just never going to stand out to me.

Snake
Martin Scorsese's overlong, tonally mixed (heavily violent to crudely funny to serious as hell) effort. Though dense with character, subplots, and ideas, it always feels disjointed but the eye candy is great. I think it's the weakest of his gangster films, but I'm not going to sit here and say it's a bad movie, just a divisive one.

plasma
Tries to be a million different things, but only succeeds at being a complete mess. This one starts with a mysterious and cool prologue before thrusting us into a mid-19th century setting that has plenty of potentialactually, too much potential. Scorsese felt the need to tell a story of a young mans coming of age, along with a redemption tale, along with a period piece, along with a YA romance, along with a racial drama, along with a political drama, along with a war drama, along with a crime drama, along with a tale of friendship and betrayal, along with

You get the point. Theres too much plot-vomit here, and just because its 2002 and the guy from Titanic is your leading man, that doesnt mean you can force a dozen different storylines into a script without meaningfully connecting them. The pacing is all over the place, the worldbuilding is spotty at times, and while the big three (Titanic Guy, DDL, and Cameron Diaz) give solid performances, their characters end up feeling cartoony because this story has no identity. D+

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TopicBoard 8 Watches and Ranks Organized Crime Films: THE RANKING
Johnbobb
10/21/22 6:51:31 PM
#219
16. Gangs of New York (2002)
Directed by: Martin Scorsese
Runtime: 2h 47m
Score: 182

Vis: 3
Myth: 11
Poke: 12
Karo: 16
rockus: 16
Seginus: 17
John: 19
ssbm: 19
Tangy: 21
Snake: 24
plasma: 24

Vis
Coming so late in the list (which is surprising, given that its still twenty years old at this point), Gangs of New York really stands out on this list as a time period untouched up to this point, yet Academy Award winner Martin Scorcese (who I BELIEVE appears five times on this list in total) manages to go outside his wheelhouse to tell a historical narrative thats compelling from start to finish. Look at the level of talent in this film, too: helmed by a pair of academy award winners (well, future winners, in Leos case), plus a bunch of nominees, all performing what is essentially a Shakespearean tragedy for almost everyone involved. Its amazing. I love the fact that the films central conflict doesnt even matter. Theres all this talk about the titular gangs of New York, jockeying for position and pride and honor and all that, and the climax comes down to the city getting pissed the fuck off about being conscripted to fight in a Civil War they have no stake in.

I love the character work in this film though, across the board. Johnny is perfect as an upjumped thug who tries to push far beyond his means, and then gets pissy when his buddy is just naturally better than him. Johnnys feebles attempts to achieve even HALF of what Amsterdam effortlessly accomplishes lead to his betrayal, and for what? He winds up a sacrifice in the cold war between Amsterdam and Bill, killed in a way by both men. Jack and McGloin are amazingly portrayed as well, serving as Bills pet prizes for winning his war against Priest Vallon, and they just come across as perfectly pathetic throughout the film. Meanwhile, Monk stands tall, refusing to be anyones bitch, and even in death, he leaves the film with his pride intact. And Jenny is fierce, yet tender at the same time, struggling with her loyalties.

Of course, everything comes down to the two leads. Amsterdam does the standard organized crime plot of being the young upstart, brought into the organization and quickly catching the eye of the boss. You have the added wrinkle of him essentially being a spy for himself, but I enjoy the conflict of seeing him grow to respect and appreciate Bill, to the point where he saves his life and has to question the festering animosity in his heart.

But Bill is the pice de resistance of the film. Hes a man who believes in honor and going to war and earning your stripes by being willing to die for your country, and he even shows enough respect to his fallen foe (Priest Vallon) to treat his memory as sacred. But at the same time, we see Bill fighting in a cowardly fashion throughout the film: sneak attacking the priest, attacking Monk from behind, guerrilla attacking Amsterdam during their final battle. You can tell he has a cowardly streak, but he WANTS to be the big, brave boss. He constantly reminds us that his FATHER fought and died for Americabut thats not HIM fighting. Its just really interesting to see that dichotomy of his character, and that MAKES the film for me, more than anything else.

Myth
Yes, this film has its fair share of flaws. The romantic subplot is half-baked, the last third isnt as strong as the earlier parts, and it doesnt go as deep into its themes as it could have. But damn it, I still adore this film. Scorsese makes Civil War-era New York come alive in a way that rivals Peter Jacksons Lord of the Rings. The sets and atmosphere suck you into the era, Daniel Day-Lewis is fantastic as bigoted mustache-twirling, yet complexly pitiable villain Bill the Butcher, and not everyone likes Leo DiCaprio in this film, but I enjoyed his quest for revenge and by extension the right of the Irish to live in America without harassment. It never gets better than the opening battle with that great theme and a fighter named Hellcat Maggie who is so outlandish she would been put in this film if she werent a real person, but its a blast as it is, even if it could have been a true masterpiece with another rewrite.

Poke
A time period not as saturated as say, the Prohibition era. Which is refreshing. A look at that time when scores were settled not with machine guns, but hatchets and butcher's knives.

Karo
The epic tale of a little boy who tragically lost his father to that time they did braveheart shit to porno music in the middle of manhattan.
Young Amsterdam then swears revenge on the group of pokemon antagonists who murdered daddy, which he attempts to do by joining up with the group and saving their leader's life. This was all part of THE PLAN where he would gain Bill's trust so he could clumsily throw a knife at him and miss. What a fucking moron.
How the story features all these 19th century MAGA lunatics makes the film probably more relevant today than the year it was actually made, and I found it quite interesting if maybe a mite too long.


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TopicI have a new cat to name
Johnbobb
10/21/22 6:42:55 PM
#23
I too just got a new black cat, named him Echo

other names I liked:
Omen
Crow

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TopicSave My Satan: Day 21 [sms]
Johnbobb
10/21/22 6:42:03 PM
#2
Beelzeboss

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TopicSave My Satan: Day 21 [sms]
Johnbobb
10/21/22 6:41:47 PM
#1
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/4/9/AAS3NhAADza5.jpg

Rules (mostly copy/pasted from SMFFFC):

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UNSAFE [25]
[0] Beelzeboss (Tenacious D in the Pick of Destiny)
[0] Beelzebub (Darkwing Duck)
[0] Black Phillip (The VVitch)
[0] Chernabog (Fantasia)
[0] Dark Heart (Care Bears Movie II: A New Generation)
[0] Dark Prince/Satan (Puyo Puyo)
[0] Devimon (Digimon)
[0] Diablo (Diablo)
[0] HIM (The Powerpuff Girls)
[0] Lou (Guitar Hero 3)
[0] Lucifer (Helltaker)
[0] Lucifer (Supernatural)
[0] Mephisto (Marvel Comics)
[0] Ned Flanders as the Devil (The Simpsons Treehouse of Horror)
[0] Pac-Devil (Pac-Man World Rally)
[0] Robot Devil (Futurama)
[0] Sadao Maou (The Devil is a Part-Timer)
[0] Satan (Ghosts n Goblins)
[0] Satan (Haxan)
[0] Satan (Paradise Lost)
[0] Satan (South Park)
[0] The Devil (Bedazzled)
[0] The Devil (Charlie Daniels - The Devil Went Down To Georgia)
[0] The Devil (Cuphead)
[0] Zorc Necrophades (Yu-Gi-Oh!)

ELIMINATED
26. Devil (Tekken 2)
27. Satan (The Binding of Isaac)
28. Mundus (Devil May Cry)
29. Satan (Dante's Inferno)
30. Minion (Twisted Metal)
31. Icon of Sin (DOOM)
32. Beelz (Stephen Lynch - Beelz)
33. Dabura (Dragonball Z)
34. Satan (Persona)
35. Satan (Cygames)
36. The Devil (Slingo)
37. The Ruler of Heck (Rockos Modern Life)
38. The Red Guy (Cow and Chicken)
39. Giratina (Pokemon)
40. The Devil, y'know, from The Bible (SnapCube's Real Time Fandub of Shadow the Hedgehog)
41. Satanael (Persona)
42. Blackheart (Marvel)
43. Shinnok (Mortal Kombat)
44. Truck Satan (Clustertruck)
45. Rodin (Bayonetta)
46. Louisa Ferre (Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey)
47. Lucifer Morningstar (Lucifer TV series)
48. Lucifer (Persona)
49. Lucifer/The Devil (The Rolling Stones - Sympathy for the Devil)
50. Darkness (Legend)

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TopicGame of Gen 6 - Nominations
Johnbobb
10/21/22 10:05:27 AM
#78
Tagging for when I get off work

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TopicBest Animated Series 2022 (Day 21) - feat. Gravity Falls vs. Pinky and the Brain
Johnbobb
10/21/22 10:04:27 AM
#14
RySenkari posted...
Gravity
Samurai
Owl
Titans


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TopicITT we post great music from mediocre (or worse!) games
Johnbobb
10/20/22 11:15:50 PM
#15
Sonic 06
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWWfjK0v8eM

Sonic Unleashed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0I9M86BnF4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b8TKhIz_ZY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7m70HklRsY

really even the worst Sonic games still have incredible music

Sonic Heroes is honestly one of my favorite game soundtracks

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TopicSave My Satan: Day 20 [sms]
Johnbobb
10/20/22 10:58:15 PM
#60
I love Chernabog but don't have particularly strong feelings about the others

but obviously Devil (in the context of the series, not so much a specific person but a sentient entity that possesses Kazuya and later Jin with all the powers of the devil) has been my personal #1 all along, so it's a shame to see it go

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TopicSave My Satan: Day 20 [sms]
Johnbobb
10/20/22 10:52:34 PM
#58
ELIMINATED
[1] Devil (Tekken 2)

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/9/3/AAS3NhAADzQp.jpg

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TopicSave My Satan: Day 20 [sms]
Johnbobb
10/20/22 10:51:19 PM
#57
damn

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TopicSave My Satan: Day 20 [sms]
Johnbobb
10/20/22 10:24:18 PM
#51
UNSAFE [6]
[1] Chernabog (Fantasia)
[1] Devil (Tekken 2)
[1] Devimon (Digimon)
[1] Lucifer (Supernatural)
[1] The Devil (Bedazzled)
[1] Zorc Necrophades (Yu-Gi-Oh!)

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TopicSave My Satan: Day 20 [sms]
Johnbobb
10/20/22 10:14:18 PM
#49
Lou

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TopicBoard 8 Watches and Ranks Organized Crime Films: THE RANKING
Johnbobb
10/20/22 9:46:36 PM
#206
Seginustemple posted...
Sometimes I do little pencil sketches based on black-and-white movies, here's the one I did for Scarface - https://imgur.com/a/QeRxU0S (Boris Karloff @ 49:47)
oh damn, that's really really good

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TopicSave My Satan: Day 20 [sms]
Johnbobb
10/20/22 9:14:20 PM
#36
UNSAFE [16]
[1] Black Phillip (The VVitch)
[1] Chernabog (Fantasia)
[1] Devil (Tekken 2)
[0] Devimon (Digimon)
[1] Diablo (Diablo)
[0] HIM (The Powerpuff Girls)
[1] Lou (Guitar Hero 3)
[0] Lucifer (Supernatural)
[1] Mephisto (Marvel Comics)
[1] Pac-Devil (Pac-Man World Rally)
[1] Sadao Maou (The Devil is a Part-Timer)
[1] Satan (Ghosts n Goblins)
[0] Satan (South Park)
[1] The Devil (Bedazzled)
[1] The Devil (Cuphead)
[1] Zorc Necrophades (Yu-Gi-Oh!)

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TopicSave My Satan: Day 20 [sms]
Johnbobb
10/20/22 9:11:27 PM
#34
Beelzeboss

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TopicBoard 8 Watches and Ranks Organized Crime Films: THE RANKING
Johnbobb
10/20/22 8:14:33 PM
#202
Outlier Ranking
rockus: 118
ssbm: 96
John: 95
Snake: 94
plasma: 92
Poke: 87
Mythiot: 81
Tangy: 80
seginus: 78
Vis: 76
Karo: 76


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TopicBoard 8 Watches and Ranks Organized Crime Films: THE RANKING
Johnbobb
10/20/22 8:11:01 PM
#201
ssbm
Rating: C-

This movie is surprisingly pretty funny. The movie even recognizes this, calling Tony a colorful character. Sometimes, it's a little too funny. There's an immigrant secretary character that's kind of mean-spirited towards the immigrant. He has some pretty funny lines, but there's a scene where he's trying to take a message for Tony. While this is going on, a gunfight breaks out at the cafe. Like bullets are being sprayed everywhere. And the secretary just goes on, trying to get this message for Tony. It's a little too ridiculous.

Tony is one of the few protagonists on this list that doesn't even attempt to have any humanity to him whatsoever. That doesn't make him entirely unlikable. Like I said, he's got some good one-liners. I'm not even sure what pushes him to be so ruthless other than that "THE WORLD IS YOURS" sign outside his bedroom. I suppose Tony works as a force-of-nature character and the movie does a good job showing how the world reacts to Tony and his business. I don't really feel much for the other characters other than Tony and his secretary. The entire subplot of his sister, Cesca, falling for his friend, Guarino, just completely falls flat to me. His boss, Johnny, and his girlfriend, Poppy, are fine, but they don't leave an impression on me either. My main enjoyment came from Tony.

Also, all the 1930s movies have some degree of "these people are bad people, don't follow in their footsteps." Like, very explicitly, usually as disclaimer at the beginning or end of the movie. This movie goes one step further and says "This movie is to show the government the problem of mobs. What are YOU doing to solve the issues of mobs?" It's wild.

Snake
Pushing the boundaries of violence for its time, Scarfaces healthy doses of black humor, great character work, and what often seems like non-stop gunfire makes Scarface a thrilling ride no matter the time period you watch it in now.

Poke
Let that be a lesson to all of you. Don't get involved with a gangster's sister. A lot of back and forth slaying of gang members. Oh and Angelo. Dear, sweet Angelo. I felt like Manuel from Fawlty Towers was inspired by Vince Barnett's portrayal. Too funny seeing him still try to talk on the phone with bullets spraying everywhere.

John
There's a moment in this film where a bar is being shot up and one man on the phone keeps trying to repeatedly shout over the phone that he can't hear what the other person is saying while bulletholes are popping up all around him, and another person in the bar picks up a glass pitcher and throws it at a window that is almost entirely shattered already in order to create a hole to shoot through that he obviously didn't need, and I'm ultimately not sure if this was supposed to be a comedy. I wouldn't THINK so given it's super serious message at the beginning about how this film exists specifically to fix the terrible gang problem, but if it's not a comedy, then goddamn was some of this unintentionally comedic. There's a good reason most of Howard Hanks' best works are comedies. The assassination in the bowling alley shot is so good though.

Karo
The story of not-Al Capone and his misadventures in the Chicago booze business.
After being treated to a self-righteous studio message telling me the 'proper' way to interpret the story as if I'm a fucking cretin who can't think for myself, we get an old and generic mobster movie that is inferior in every aspect to the storied film whose name it shares.
Half the cast are Italian ethnic stereotypes, like these 'mamma mia, I wanna lots-a the spaghetti' caricatures. I half expected Charles Martinet to hop out from behind a bush and squeal 'its-a me, mario!'
After a bunch of typical prohibition hijinks, we get a bizarre ending where Tony murders his sister's husband which leads to her falling in love with him or something? I'm all for a forbidden romance plot, but this is foisted upon us arbitrarily 5 minutes before the movie ends with no previous hinting that Cesca held any real feelings for her brother. It is impossible to take seriously.

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TopicBoard 8 Watches and Ranks Organized Crime Films: THE RANKING
Johnbobb
10/20/22 8:10:57 PM
#200
I'm so sorry

17. Scarface (1932)
Directed by: Howard Hanks
Runtime: 1h 33m
Score: 187

Vis: 7
Mythiot: 8
rockus: 8
seginus: 10
Tangy: 16
plasma: 19
ssbm: 20
Snake: 23
Poke: 23
John: 26
Karo: 27

Vis
Reading Wikipedia articles about this, and the other two films on the list from the 1930s, always highlights the trio as some of the most influential mobster movies of all time. And watching them in order, from the start, I can certainly understand that. Now, I normally dont like referencing other movies in my write-ups, because it spoils my rankings, but I feel like I almost have to in this case. Scarface builds upon what was started in Public Enemy and Little Caesar, and it just improves dramatically. Public Enemy had a strong central character, but the editing and the narrative was extremely sloppy. Little Caesar had a solid narrative structure, but the central character was devoid of charisma. Scarface fixes the flaws of both films and combines them into one.

I know its a cliched story, but we watched Tony Camonte rise from a position as a standard bodyguard, to the guy willing to do whatever it takes to gain power and success. At the same time though, hes built up as this control freak with rage issues that lead to him making some extremely impulsive and short-sighted decisions. Yes, hes able to rise so far so quickly, but I find it amazing that his downfall isnt because of his mob work, or because of the various crimes he committed in his rise to the top. No, his downfall is that quick temper, leading to him making the stupid decision to kill his best friend (who had, unbeknownst to Tony, become his brother-in-law) in a rage over the thought of a man taking advantage of his little sister. That murder had him stone cold busted by the cops, leading to his inevitable demise. Thats a great narrative, and it feels much less Hollywood than a standard bad guy does bad guys and is defeated because crime doesnt pay storyline.

Myth
From that great opening scene where Tony whistles in the shadows just before making his first kill to the climactic showdown in the apartment, Scarface is a blast. Feels like the first "epic" crime film despite its limited running time. Only big flaw is that awful scene with the police where they hammer in the message in the opening title and propose "tough on crime" policies directly to the audience. Maybe that was the only way they could get away with the copious gun violence back in 1932.

rockus
While De Palmas film has peak/end of peak Al Pacino behind it Howard Hawks film is also lucky to have an equally gifted actor, and one of his generations best in Paul Muni. Like many of Munis roles he disappears into this one like a chameleon. Pre-code sensibilities and a strong supporting cast including a great turn by Ann Dvorak help situate Hawks early talkie into the classic it is today.

seginus
Hawks' classic character study stands apart from its contemporaries with striking visuals and layered themes and motifs. It's the same basic plot as Public Enemy and Little Caesar - gangster Icarus flies too close to the American dream - but with greater craft and attention to detail, and Paul Muni brings a perfect balance of charm and menace to the titular role. I love how the wardrobe is motivated by story elements, like Tony admiring and later stealing his boss' robe, or wearing flower pins after a hit at the flower shop. I love how the fatalistic 'X' motif is hiding in plain sight right on the character's face. And this is the rare movie that works so well without a musical score you don't even notice it lacks one (which makes the ominous whistling so effective). I even thought there was some interesting meta commentary about the shift from Western to Gangster movies. On this list, I think it's genre's first real masterpiece.

tangy
Its crazy how much of an improvement this is over the other 30s flicks. Scarface (1932) kind of blew me away with how advanced it was if Im being honest. The cinematography, writing and especially the editing (the tommy gun/calendar scene was amazing) were all a colossal step above what we saw in 31. Paul Muni also gave a great performance as Tony, he carried so much more
energy than most of the other actors from this era. By far the best part though was Angelo, the secretary. He couldve just as easily been a cheap source of comic relief, but by the end I genuinely loved his character. His death probably hit harder than anything else on this list.

plasma
This is not your daddys Scarfaceits your great-granddaddys Scarface, and it feels like this mightve been the first action movie ever filmed. This flick sizzles with flashes and bangs, but the best parts are the quieter moments, particularly those between Tony and his searingly hot sister Cesca.

Tony Camonte (not Montana!) is a standout character thanks to his swagger and mannerisms. The moment he lit a match off a cops badge, I was sold. His oddball backhanded wave conveys charm and arrogance, and its part of what makes the guy so compelling despite the fact that hes more or less the same ambitious mobster as Little Caesar.

Cesca carries the supporting cast with attitude. Not only is she a fiery side character, but she fleshes out Tony by crossing lines and pushing him over the edge until their subplot culminates with his impassioned murder of her husband. The fake-out at the end with Cesca intending to kill Tony but relenting because theyre one in the same was great, and this surprising character moment elevates the entire movie.

However, much like with Little Caesar, I didnt care about the plot in this one. I already watched two straight Ambitious mobster rapidly rises to glory and gets killed at the end movies, and while it works here, its hard to deny that 1930s fatigue is setting in. C


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TopicSave My Satan: Day 20 [sms]
Johnbobb
10/20/22 7:04:32 PM
#3
meant to get this up earlier but work ran a little late

Devil from Tekken2

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TopicSave My Satan: Day 20 [sms]
Johnbobb
10/20/22 7:03:52 PM
#1
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/8/1/AAS3NhAADzNV.jpg

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UNSAFE [26]
[0] Beelzeboss (Tenacious D in the Pick of Destiny)
[0] Beelzebub (Darkwing Duck)
[0] Black Phillip (The VVitch)
[0] Chernabog (Fantasia)
[0] Dark Heart (Care Bears Movie II: A New Generation)
[0] Dark Prince/Satan (Puyo Puyo)
[0] Devil (Tekken 2)
[0] Devimon (Digimon)
[0] Diablo (Diablo)
[0] HIM (The Powerpuff Girls)
[0] Lou (Guitar Hero 3)
[0] Lucifer (Helltaker)
[0] Lucifer (Supernatural)
[0] Mephisto (Marvel Comics)
[0] Ned Flanders as the Devil (The Simpsons Treehouse of Horror)
[0] Pac-Devil (Pac-Man World Rally)
[0] Robot Devil (Futurama)
[0] Sadao Maou (The Devil is a Part-Timer)
[0] Satan (Ghosts n Goblins)
[0] Satan (Haxan)
[0] Satan (Paradise Lost)
[0] Satan (South Park)
[0] The Devil (Bedazzled)
[0] The Devil (Charlie Daniels - The Devil Went Down To Georgia)
[0] The Devil (Cuphead)
[0] Zorc Necrophades (Yu-Gi-Oh!)

ELIMINATED
27. Satan (The Binding of Isaac)
28. Mundus (Devil May Cry)
29. Satan (Dante's Inferno)
30. Minion (Twisted Metal)
31. Icon of Sin (DOOM)
32. Beelz (Stephen Lynch - Beelz)
33. Dabura (Dragonball Z)
34. Satan (Persona)
35. Satan (Cygames)
36. The Devil (Slingo)
37. The Ruler of Heck (Rockos Modern Life)
38. The Red Guy (Cow and Chicken)
39. Giratina (Pokemon)
40. The Devil, y'know, from The Bible (SnapCube's Real Time Fandub of Shadow the Hedgehog)
41. Satanael (Persona)
42. Blackheart (Marvel)
43. Shinnok (Mortal Kombat)
44. Truck Satan (Clustertruck)
45. Rodin (Bayonetta)
46. Louisa Ferre (Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey)
47. Lucifer Morningstar (Lucifer TV series)
48. Lucifer (Persona)
49. Lucifer/The Devil (The Rolling Stones - Sympathy for the Devil)
50. Darkness (Legend)

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TopicBest Animated Series 2022 (Day 20) - feat. Batman: TAS vs. FMA: Brotherhood
Johnbobb
10/20/22 9:30:53 AM
#13
Dexter
Edd
Tmnt

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TopicRate the VG Story Day 469: Jak & Daxter: The Precursor Legacy
Johnbobb
10/19/22 9:57:00 PM
#7
6.5

it's not the story itself that really makes it fun, but it is an enjoyable cast of characters

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TopicSave My Satan: Day 19 [sms]
Johnbobb
10/19/22 9:53:21 PM
#57
ELIMINATED
[1] Satan (The Binding of Isaac)

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TopicBoard 8 Watches and Ranks Organized Crime Films: THE RANKING
Johnbobb
10/19/22 8:07:20 PM
#190
at this point I almost just wish the older movies would drop because the Vegas losses are painful to watch

Outlier Ranking
rockus: 109
ssbm: 93
plasma: 90
Snake: 86
John: 86
Poke: 81
Tangy: 79
Mythiot: 72
seginus: 71
Vis: 66
Karo: 66

Rockus becomes the first (unsurprisingly) to hit the big triple digits! Last place is finally tied up!

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TopicBoard 8 Watches and Ranks Organized Crime Films: THE RANKING
Johnbobb
10/19/22 8:03:52 PM
#189
Poke
Do I like this film? Fuhget about it! Was I invested in the characters of Pistone and Lefty? Fuhget about it! But seriously, I think it was a solid film with good bits of real dialogue, interesting dynamics, and a good cast to see it through.

Myth
I enjoyed this film probably more than it probably deserved, mostly because Pacino and Depp have fantastic chemistry as an old gangster and the undercover FBI agent he befriends. I could listen to Pacino and Depp chat while feeding their unwanted pet lion for hours. I wasnt a fan of Depps family drama, and the ending is pretty anticlimactic, but otherwise its a very fun drama about how easy it is to become what we pretend to be.

Tangy
Donnie Brasco feels like a straight to DVD movie that got lucky and landed two top tier actors. Pacino and Depp carry this movie so hard its not even funny. Everytime I started losing interest these two powerhouses would just force me to start paying attention again. Seeing the way their relationship develops over the course of the story was great. Neither of them are completely sold on their jobs, but stick to them anyway and it results in such a tragic end for their friendship.

rockus
While Donnie Brasco features peak era Johnny Depp, for me it ends up as just a pretty good undercover cop movie in a weight class that it cant really contend with. Newell just doesnt have the chops to compete with the likes of Scorsese, De Palma, or Coppolas directorial talents here and the writing doesnt have the depth to stand out, especially in a list that features films like Carlitos Way. Pretty decent but nothing more than that really.

seginus
Quality ingredients, Depp is good as the undercover cop juggling a double life, and Pacino as the gangster vet with a fatal soft spot for the kid. There's a respectable degree of truth in this being based on Pistone's personal experience. But I couldn't help being reminded this dynamic was already outdone by Reservoir Dogs, since this movie basically opens with a nod to Reservoir Dogs. And true as it may be, the story here is too conventional to really stand out amongst such a heightened - sometimes to the point of operatic - genre. This isn't a bad movie but it suffers in a gangster marathon.

Snake
I like the concept of it, Johnny Depp as an undercover cop, it's good, but at least to me, the film never really translates into anything truly compelling or next level. Other than the strong performances, which I mean is practically a staple of the gangster genre in general, the film feels predictable on all accounts and there are just way better examples of this sort of thing done better elsewhere.

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TopicBoard 8 Watches and Ranks Organized Crime Films: THE RANKING
Johnbobb
10/19/22 8:03:48 PM
#188
18. Donnie Brasco (1997)
Directed by: Mike Newell
Runtime: 2h 27m
Score: 188

ssbm: 2
Karo: 7
John: 13
Vis: 13
plasma: 13
Poke: 14
Mythiot: 18
Tangy: 23
rockus: 28
seginus: 28
Snake: 29

ssbm
Rating: A+

I love the psychological angle of the classic "undercover cop" story. For starters, Lefty is not exactly a crime boss. He's second-rung or even third-rung. He has a lot of problems in his life and Donnie is actually a really good influence on his life. He gets someone to mentor and someone that he can truly say is his son. So Donnie has to first deal with the fact that he's basically going to fuck over this guy that he's really grown to like. Then you have Donnie's marital problems as a result of his job and how the job is affecting the true Donnie. I really loved Donnie's monologue to Maggie explaining that he's become one of the mafia by being so close to the mafia.

Speaking of great monologues, Lefty begins to catch on that Donnie might be a cop and he basically says that he'd rather commit suicide than know that Donnie's a cop. And, in the end, when he does find it, he makes peace with it and is glad that if anyone was a cop that it was Donnie. He gets things in order and eventually takes his life. It feels like a deconstruction of the undercover cop in a way. Yeah, Donnie gets the medal for getting this mob, but at what cost did it come to Donnie and Lefty?

There's also some great humor in this movie. There's, of course, Donnie's rambling about "forget about it" and how it could mean just about anything. I also like the "friend of mine" or "friend of ours" speech patterns that happen. In one scene, Lefty is trying to get close with a mob boss in Florida and he gets a Hallmark card that says "From one friend to another." I just think that's hilarious, having gangsters send Hallmark cards that have a second meaning to them. Speaking of the mob boss in Florida, that is a whole other subplot to the movie that's great. Throwing in a second undercover cop to muck up Donnie's plot is a great challenge that makes the second act pretty engaging to watch. Like I said, really good movie!

Karo
An undercover cop gets a little too caught up in LARPing as a mobster, and is torn between his mission and the real friendships he makes along the way.
I was disappointed that Pistone's inner turmoil was not properly brought to fruition thanks to a conveniently timed FBI raid, but I guess that is what happens when you base things on real life.
If you told me before watching this that Johnny Depp as a serious mafia goon would be something that would work out I would have laughed, but I enjoyed his portrayal of Pistone.

John
You know, Johnny Depp in the last two decades or so has become so directly associated with the quirky Tim Burtony stuff and over-the-top Pirates of the Caribbean that it's easy to overlook the more subtle performances from earlier in his career. Some of his best work came from around here. Ed Wood, What's Eating Gilbert Grape, Donnie Brasco. Part of me was honestly surprised to see him showing up in a 90s mafia movie, but he blends into the role pretty effortlessly. Pacino, on the other hand, is the near-indisputed king of mob films (only De Niro can really even compare) so you ultimately end up with this compelling balance between the this long-established and beloved genre actor and the young character actor just hitting the peak of his careeer, and it really gives weight to their characters, because in the same way you get the well-established but aging mafia hitman in Lefty pairing up with the young undercover agent in his prime in Donnie. Their friendship, mentorship and ultimate betrayal are what carry the film, and they do so in a believeable way.

Vis
The main thing that lowers this film in the ranking is actually something it does a very good job with: its very slow and personal. A lot of these crime movies are big and brash and have a ton of backstabbing and whackingbut this one really feels like its just a personal story about Donnie Brasco (the fake identity of an undercover FBI agent), and his friendship with Lefty, whos just an aging, hapless mobster. Its certainly different from other films on the list, but Im just more interested in the stuff thats a bit faster-paced is all. I didnt think it was boring or anything like thatit just cant measure up to some of the other films Ive watched.

I still think the characterization of Donnie and Lefty is great, because you genuinely feel bad for Lefty, and you KNOW Donnie was just desperate to pull him out of the life and give him something better. Honestly? Pacino has been in a lot of these movies, but I really appreciated the subtlety his character displayed, and the willingness to show vulnerability in general. While Donnie is rapidly getting in over his head and damaging his marriage to do so, I think its nice to see him get into that mindset that these criminals are still human beings, and he feels bad for the ones who are good, deep down. So yeah, its a solid movie, but I just prefer things to be a bit faster-paced.

plasma
At first I was like, Forget about it. Then I watched a little more of the movie and said, Forget about it. And by the end I was all Forget about it.

Donnie Brasco didnt rock my world, but its a fun, smoothly paced movie from start to finish thanks to Al Pacino and Amber Heards beloved husband. Great performances, and you gotta give props to Michael Madsen, whos attached to a cigarette in every movie hes in, as well as to Anne Heche, who brought a strong human element to this story.

The best part of this movie is Donnie/Joe becoming lost within his mob persona. Its nothing I havent seen before, but its nonetheless engrossing to watch him develop a father-son bond with Pacinos character. Near the end, when Donnie is distraught over the idea of abandoning his cover and putting Pacino in danger, its a legit dilemma. You want to see Donnie get back to his family, but you dont want to pay the admission price of Pacino get whacked.

For the most part, this movie felt paint-by-numbers to me. It ventured out in a certain direction and did exactly what I expected it to do. I went in blind, so I didnt realize it was a true story until the end, but even after factoring that in, Im left feeling lukewarm. Donnie Brasco is a good movie, but it does little to stand out among the others on this list. B-


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TopicSave My Satan: Day 19 [sms]
Johnbobb
10/19/22 7:46:25 PM
#42
UNSAFE [12]
[1] Black Phillip (The VVitch)
[0] Chernabog (Fantasia)
[1] Dark Prince/Satan (Puyo Puyo)
[0] Devimon (Digimon)
[1] Lucifer (Helltaker)
[1] Pac-Devil (Pac-Man World Rally)
[1] Robot Devil (Futurama)
[1] Satan (Ghosts n Goblins)
[1] Satan (The Binding of Isaac)
[1] The Devil (Bedazzled)
[1] The Devil (Cuphead)
[0] Zorc Necrophades (Yu-Gi-Oh!)

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TopicSave My Satan: Day 19 [sms]
Johnbobb
10/19/22 7:46:03 PM
#41
Lou

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TopicSave My Satan: Day 19 [sms]
Johnbobb
10/19/22 6:30:30 PM
#27
Beelzeboss

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TopicSave My Satan: Day 19 [sms]
Johnbobb
10/19/22 5:15:17 PM
#2
tekken

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TopicSave My Satan: Day 19 [sms]
Johnbobb
10/19/22 5:15:08 PM
#1
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/1/5/AAS3NhAADyrf.jpg

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UNSAFE [27]
[0] Beelzeboss (Tenacious D in the Pick of Destiny)
[0] Beelzebub (Darkwing Duck)
[0] Black Phillip (The VVitch)
[0] Chernabog (Fantasia)
[0] Dark Heart (Care Bears Movie II: A New Generation)
[0] Dark Prince/Satan (Puyo Puyo)
[0] Devil (Tekken 2)
[0] Devimon (Digimon)
[0] Diablo (Diablo)
[0] HIM (The Powerpuff Girls)
[0] Lou (Guitar Hero 3)
[0] Lucifer (Helltaker)
[0] Lucifer (Supernatural)
[0] Mephisto (Marvel Comics)
[0] Ned Flanders as the Devil (The Simpsons Treehouse of Horror)
[0] Pac-Devil (Pac-Man World Rally)
[0] Robot Devil (Futurama)
[0] Sadao Maou (The Devil is a Part-Timer)
[0] Satan (Ghosts n Goblins)
[0] Satan (Haxan)
[0] Satan (Paradise Lost)
[0] Satan (South Park)
[0] Satan (The Binding of Isaac)
[0] The Devil (Bedazzled)
[0] The Devil (Charlie Daniels - The Devil Went Down To Georgia)
[0] The Devil (Cuphead)
[0] Zorc Necrophades (Yu-Gi-Oh!)

ELIMINATED
28. Mundus (Devil May Cry)
29. Satan (Dante's Inferno)
30. Minion (Twisted Metal)
31. Icon of Sin (DOOM)
32. Beelz (Stephen Lynch - Beelz)
33. Dabura (Dragonball Z)
34. Satan (Persona)
35. Satan (Cygames)
36. The Devil (Slingo)
37. The Ruler of Heck (Rockos Modern Life)
38. The Red Guy (Cow and Chicken)
39. Giratina (Pokemon)
40. The Devil, y'know, from The Bible (SnapCube's Real Time Fandub of Shadow the Hedgehog)
41. Satanael (Persona)
42. Blackheart (Marvel)
43. Shinnok (Mortal Kombat)
44. Truck Satan (Clustertruck)
45. Rodin (Bayonetta)
46. Louisa Ferre (Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey)
47. Lucifer Morningstar (Lucifer TV series)
48. Lucifer (Persona)
49. Lucifer/The Devil (The Rolling Stones - Sympathy for the Devil)
50. Darkness (Legend)

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TopicMCU General 12 - Still Discussing Star Wars
Johnbobb
10/19/22 4:47:39 PM
#262
Slow day at work so I spent most of the day playing and winning almost every match

Which is going to suck because I already know I'm completely unprepared for when people start having specifically crafted decks

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TopicMCU General 12 - Still Discussing Star Wars
Johnbobb
10/19/22 2:34:57 PM
#256
So I downloaded that Marvel Snap mobile game

Is actually pretty fun

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TopicBest Animated Series 2022 (Day 19) - feat. Kim Possible vs. King Of The Hill
Johnbobb
10/19/22 10:10:20 AM
#16
MZero posted...
South
Hill
Darkwing
Bebop


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TopicSave My Satan: Day 18 [sms]
Johnbobb
10/18/22 10:06:48 PM
#64
ELIMINATED
[1] Mundus (Devil May Cry)

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TopicSave My Satan: Day 18 [sms]
Johnbobb
10/18/22 9:48:11 PM
#62
UNSAFE [2]
[1] Mundus (Devil May Cry)
[1] Satan (Ghosts n Goblins)

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TopicSave My Satan: Day 18 [sms]
Johnbobb
10/18/22 8:13:27 PM
#47
UNSAFE [11]
[1] Beelzeboss (Tenacious D in the Pick of Destiny)
[1] Black Phillip (The VVitch)
[0] Chernabog (Fantasia)
[1] Devil (Tekken 2)
[1] Devimon (Digimon)
[1] Mundus (Devil May Cry)
[1] Satan (Ghosts n Goblins)
[1] Satan (Haxan)
[1] Satan (The Binding of Isaac)
[1] The Devil (Bedazzled)
[0] Zorc Necrophades (Yu-Gi-Oh!)

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TopicSave My Satan: Day 18 [sms]
Johnbobb
10/18/22 8:13:15 PM
#46
Lou

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TopicBoard 8 Watches and Ranks Organized Crime Films: THE RANKING
Johnbobb
10/18/22 8:11:05 PM
#175
Outlier Ranking
rockus: 99
plasma: 85
John: 81
Poke: 77
ssbm: 77
Snake: 75
Tangy: 74
Mythiot: 72
Vis: 61
seginus: 61
Karo: 55

With the first Scorsese down, and two pre-70s classics still in the running, Vegas is anyone's game. Over on the Outliers, rockus is the person to beat, but everyone's still overall pretty close.

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TopicBoard 8 Watches and Ranks Organized Crime Films: THE RANKING
Johnbobb
10/18/22 8:08:05 PM
#174
plasma
Goodfellas on Geritol.

When The Irishman released in 2019, it arrived with staggering levels of hype, especially in my area (Im from Pennsylvania). The idea of a Scorsese film that featured De Niro, Pesci, and Pacino (!) was simply to die for, and the fact that the story was based on a critically acclaimed book about Jimmy Hoffas disappearance only sweetened the deal. Early reviews glowed, and the hype mounted and mounted until I sat down with my family on Thanksgiving weekend for three-and-a-half hours to watch the movie on Netflix.

When it ended, we all had the same reaction: Eh.

Coming into this rewatch, I couldnt help but wonder if my 2019 disappointment was the result of the hype. But as I sat and watched this mammoth again, I realized what I already knew: this thing is a slog. Unlike Once Upon a Time in America, which breezes by despite its runtime, The Irishman feels every minute as long as it is. Thats not to say its boring, but its definitely not gripping like it should be.

That said, its great to see De Niro and Pacino in the same movie together, with both actors playing to their strengths. De Niro is cool and subdued while Pacino is high-strung and over-the-top. I wanted more out of Pesci, but honestly I was just thrilled to have him here after his long hiatus from acting. The star power of the main cast propels this movie through hours of history lessons and mob life. Theres plenty to like here, but I couldnt bring myself to love anything.

Overall, this is a frustrating movie. Its consistently good but never great. At times it feels empty, but then it gets emotional in the last hour (which gives me Godfather II vibes). Also, Im not sure how I feel about the ending. After Hoffa gets killed, theres roughly thirty minutes of resolution, and thatlike the rest of the filmtends to drag. C

Poke
The boys...or old men now, are back together. Pacino, De Niro, Pesci. One last hurrah for them? It was long, it wasn't as good as Scorsese's other giants, but it was still a fine entry. Just the length, it's hard to watch it multiple times, and ultimately that hurts it.

Karo
Scorsese's latest mobster flick, featuring a runtime that is dummy thicc even by his standards, and a cast of characters so old it probably involves more pairs of depends than I want to think about.
So it is about a truck driver who joins up with the mafia and does various things set against the backdrop of events the boomers that this film was made for probably remember. This goes on for three and a half hours of one of the most boring movies I have ever seen.
The titular protagonist is just extremely uninteresting to an extent that he feels like a supporting character in his own movie. Frank is seemingly just there to smile and wave and occasionally do the bidding of the more colorful underworld figures that surround him. He doesnt have the ambitious dreams of Tony Montana, the desire to avenge a transgression like Amsterdam Vallon, or anything else that would make for a compelling story.
Maybe he is meant to be an 'everyman' kind of character, but even then he should do something that makes it worthwhile to watch this many hours of his mind-numbing life. Frank lived a tool and died a tool in a nursing home for tools and that's the movie. No thanks.

ssbm
Rating: D

There's good elements to this movie. I'm always interested in historical pieces and Jimmy Hoffa in particular is a fun subject. I know of Hoffa, but I honestly can't tell you much about him. Having a whole movie about him is really nice and it's interesting to see Hoffa and Frank's life be disrupted by the history of the 1960s. There's also this theme of age going on in this movie, especially at the end. Frank's reminscencing to...no one throughout the whole movie. All his mafia friends are dead and his family wants nothing to do with him. Hoffa himself also has to do with age, with his stubbornness about being the union president after prison and how this eventually gets him killed. They're both people of a bygone era with the ending having both of them practically be forgotten by history.

But if I had to describe the movie, it's a different story. It's a lot of things. It's Frank rising from driver to hitman, which is told pretty well, but I'm a little surprised how easily everyone takes him in. Especially Hoffa, you would think he would be more cautious about who he lets sleep in the same room as him. But more importantly, it's a story about protecting Hoffa's life despite Hoffa's actions. The middle of the movie is particularly ridiculous, where Frank is basically a messenger between the mafia and Hoffa. He's trading messages between the two for...a long period of time. It was hard to take this movie seriously with Frank being this middleman. It's just absurd on its face.

I have to mention the kicking scene. It's...uh...yeah! You should watch it on Youtube. Back in high school, I had to do a short film. I played the main actor and it was an action/superhero movie. In the final fight scene, we really had to show that we hurt each other without actually hurting each other. That's what I remembered when I saw this scene live. It even has the really fake "stomping on fingers" while the other guy screams in agony that I did in my short film.

Tangy
I have a feeling The Irishman is going to be one of the more divisive films here. On one hand its a great return to form for Scorsese and de Niro, Pacino and Pesci are absolutely on point. On the other hand the pacing is garbage. I dont have an issue with films being three hours, but when they are Im automatically going to be more critical of them. If you feel like your movie needs to be three hours then it better keep me invested. Which naturally The Irishman failed to do. I ended up needing to watch it in chunks (similar to what plasma did) and honestly that served it a lot better. In fact Id argue this movie works way better as a miniseries, with each episode focusing on one of Franks stories. With all of it culminating in the tragic death of Hoffa in the final episode. Its just such a shame though as at its core we have a great concept. Seeing these classic actors come back to essentially play older versions of their typical archetype is
great. Joe Pesci especially shines here as his character is a complete reversal from his typical stuff.


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TopicBoard 8 Watches and Ranks Organized Crime Films: THE RANKING
Johnbobb
10/18/22 8:08:02 PM
#173
19. The Irishman (2019)
Directed by: Martin Scorsese
Runtime: 3h 29m
Score: 194

Mythiot: 4
John: 10
rockus: 10
Snake: 16
seginus: 16
Vis: 20
plasma: 21
Poke: 21
Karo: 23
ssbm: 26
Tangy: 27

John
The Irishman attempts to be the last great gangster epic, and in pretty much every way it succeeds. It's a culmination of everything came before it; a gathering of some of the best 20th-Century gangster-film actors together for one last hurrah that manages to simultaneously be the instant classic rise-and-fall story of the corrupt and the even more corrupt while also drawing everything to an unusually final conclusion. What makes The Irishman stand out the most is its ending. There's no Scarface-shootout blaze of glory or a Godfather-esque last show of power, but a slow fadeout with age that one has to assume the aging actors, writer and director are all similarly feeling.

rockus
While Goodfellas and Casino showcase the allure of the excess and luxuries of a life in crime in The Irishman Scorsese primarily focuses on the emptiness and meaninglessness of it. With detachment and a life of distancing family and loved ones for what largely amounts to loyalty for an organization that ultimately cares very little for years of dedicated service. Ending up empty and alone and unremarkable. Some of the digital de-aging effects can take some time getting use to but overall its another great Scorsese film.

Snake
Martin Scorsese's latest release isn't exactly a "list stealer"; much has been said of its length - daunting yes, but that doesn't stop this from being another incredibly well-made, well-written, and engaging crime epic. Scorsese still holds onto the themes and ideas they started with back in the day and though they feel older, more tired than before, in a way it ties this movie into being a sort of introspection and commentary on the genre as a whole. Do I think it ranks top-tier? No not really, but when it comes to Martin Scorsese there's no need to nitpick too much.

seginus
The de-aging effect is still a bit too 'Polar Express' to truly fool the eye, but it's an admirable effort and a nice full-circle concept for a genre that has told this kind of story from the other direction so many times. And this feels consciously in conversation with those roots. And it's depressing, coated in a sort of blue haze of regret and nostalgia. The oldies tunes Scorsese uses are even oldier now. It's all apologetic and remorseful and lonely for De Niro's stoic cool guy image. I like what this movie is going for, but on rewatch, I'm not convinced it's got that extra oomph of a great movie.

I do have to note this movie has an impressive collection of fancy neckties.

Vis
Holy SHIT this movie was long. I know thats oversimplifying it, but its still true. I liked a lot of things about this movie, but the length just made it feel very drawn out in a way that ultimately brought me no joy to watch. Dont get me wrongin some aspects, I think stretching the plot helped to better characterize Frank, but at a certain point, when theres too much bleakness, it just gets overwhelming for me as a viewer. This is not a movie I would ever watch again for that reason, and I feel like the major problem is that it takes itself very seriously, so you lose some of the innate charisma that helps otherwise sell a mafia movie like this one.

All that being said, there are two things I think this movie does EXTREMELY well. First off, Im someone who was aware of the CONCEPT of Jimmy Hoffa, but otherwise had NO idea who he was or what he stood for. Explaining thatvia Al Pacino losing his goddamn mind and acting like a total asshole for the mid-to-late portions of the filmwas interesting to me. Plus, it was nice to see just how many off-ramps he was given to kind of correct his behavior, but it came down to his personal pride that prevented him from sitting down and just letting things pass him by. The fact that Frankwho CONSTANTLY tried to protect Jimmy throughout the filmwas the one who had to carry out the hit was heartbreaking. I also liked the little touch about Frank not wanting to sit in the backseat of the car.

The other thing I will give MAJOR credit for is De Niros acting in the ending section. After Jimmys hit, I was frustrated that the movie still had 45 minutes to gobut then those 45 minutes played out, and it was really well-acted. So many of the movies on this list end with either the main character dying from their hubris, or if theyre good guys, they get out while the gettings good. But watching De Niro as this crippled, elderly man whose family doesnt come to see him and whose mafia friends are all deadit was genuinely depressing. Depressing in a well-directed way though. That ending kept me enraptured, even though I was starting to fade in the lead-up to it. And I thought it finished things off quite solidly for the film.


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TopicI guess I've sold out on my principles
Johnbobb
10/18/22 6:43:49 PM
#5
It'll definitely help me out, because after the last 7 years of working to pay off my student loans they're still nowhere near paid off because the system in itself is a trap

So I'm glad this should help me actually pay the loans off but I still hope for a lot more for people that are in even deeper than I am

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TopicSave My Satan: Day 18 [sms]
Johnbobb
10/18/22 6:41:12 PM
#27
UNSAFE [21]
[1] Beelzeboss (Tenacious D in the Pick of Destiny)
[1] Beelzebub (Darkwing Duck)
[1] Black Phillip (The VVitch)
[0] Chernabog (Fantasia)
[1] Devil (Tekken 2)
[0] Devimon (Digimon)
[0] Diablo (Diablo)
[0] HIM (The Powerpuff Girls)
[1] Lou (Guitar Hero 3)
[1] Lucifer (Helltaker)
[1] Mephisto (Marvel Comics)
[0] Mundus (Devil May Cry)
[1] Ned Flanders as the Devil (The Simpsons Treehouse of Horror)
[0] Pac-Devil (Pac-Man World Rally)
[1] Satan (Ghosts n Goblins)
[0] Satan (Haxan)
[1] Satan (South Park)
[0] Satan (The Binding of Isaac)
[1] The Devil (Bedazzled)
[0] The Devil (Cuphead)
[0] Zorc Necrophades (Yu-Gi-Oh!)

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