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UNSAFE [18]
[0] Beelzebub (Darkwing Duck)
[0] Black Phillip (The VVitch)
[0] Dark Heart (Care Bears Movie II: A New Generation)
[0] Dark Prince/Satan (Puyo Puyo)
[0] Diablo (Diablo)
[0] HIM (The Powerpuff Girls)
[0] Lou (Guitar Hero 3)
[0] Lucifer (Helltaker)
[0] Lucifer (Supernatural)
[0] Mephisto (Marvel Comics)
[0] Ned Flanders as the Devil (The Simpsons Treehouse of Horror)
[0] Pac-Devil (Pac-Man World Rally)
[0] Robot Devil (Futurama)
[0] Satan (Haxan)
[0] Satan (Paradise Lost)
[0] Satan (South Park)
[0] The Devil (Bedazzled)
[0] The Devil (Charlie Daniels - The Devil Went Down To Georgia)

ELIMINATED
19. Zorc Necrophades (Yu-Gi-Oh!)
20. Devimon (Digimon)
21. Chernabog (Fantasia)
22. Sadao Maou (The Devil is a Part-Timer)
23. Beelzeboss (Tenacious D in the Pick of Destiny)
24. Satan (Ghosts n Goblins)
25. The Devil (Cuphead)
26. Devil (Tekken 2)
27. Satan (The Binding of Isaac)
28. Mundus (Devil May Cry)
29. Satan (Dante's Inferno)
30. Minion (Twisted Metal)
31. Icon of Sin (DOOM)
32. Beelz (Stephen Lynch - Beelz)
33. Dabura (Dragonball Z)
34. Satan (Persona)
35. Satan (Cygames)
36. The Devil (Slingo)
37. The Ruler of Heck (Rockos Modern Life)
38. The Red Guy (Cow and Chicken)
39. Giratina (Pokemon)
40. The Devil, y'know, from The Bible (SnapCube's Real Time Fandub of Shadow the Hedgehog)
41. Satanael (Persona)
42. Blackheart (Marvel)
43. Shinnok (Mortal Kombat)
44. Truck Satan (Clustertruck)
45. Rodin (Bayonetta)
46. Louisa Ferre (Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey)
47. Lucifer Morningstar (Lucifer TV series)
48. Lucifer (Persona)
49. Lucifer/The Devil (The Rolling Stones - Sympathy for the Devil)
50. Darkness (Legend)

Garden
Rick
X-Men
Ducktales

7.4

Gets a bad wrap, for understandable reasons, but the main characters and the French revolution story were solid

SSBM_Guy posted...

Part of me wonders if Lock and Snatch got so high because they're a breath of fresh air compared to all the other movies.

Snatch would've ranked in the top 5 of probably any list we've done for me

masterplum posted...

We actually have a lot of fun devils left in this. Kind of amazed Lou and Him are still kicking

Lou surprises me but I'm ecstatic

HIM I had hoped would make it pretty far, but I'm definitely worried how much he dangles toward the end each round

ELIMINATED
[1] Zorc Necrophades (Yu-Gi-Oh!)

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Outlier Ranking
rockus: 169
plasma: 161
ssbm: 151
Poke: 146
John: 136
Mythiot: 136
Vis: 132
Snake: 127
seginus: 125
Karo: 123
Tangy: 121

Karo
A group of hoodlums repeatedly fail at the simple task of rigging a boxing match in something that maybe feels a bit TOO much like LSaTSB. Basically, dumb criminals are dumb, and we laugh at them a lot. The formula still works, but here it seems to lose a bit of the luster particularly with how it often tries too hard to seem 'cool'. It is still a decent movie that is very funny and I enjoyed it.

Myth
A huge improvement on Lock, as everything looks better, the characters are more varied and colorful, and the stories twist into each other much more satisfyingly. I particularly loved Brad Pitt and his barely understandable accent as not-Aran Ryan as well as the extremely creepy mob boss who loves feeding his enemies to his pigs.

Vis
Its weird watching two of Guy Ritchies movies back-to-back and being forced to directly compare and contrast the two. The problem with Snatch is that its so unfocused, with too many characters and too many plotlines going on that feel tenuously connected at best. So like, half the movie, youre dealing with Jason Statham being WAY too casual about this fighter hes unable to control, and half the movie is about Morgan from Fear the Walking Dead trying to get a diamond for people after he stole it in the first place. Then everyone dies and Brad Pitt gets rich. The whole thing is just a bit too chaotic, and it doesnt use the narrator storytelling device in a way that I found enjoyable. It mean, it wasnt like it ever offended me or anything, but I wouldve liked a clearer narrative, thats all.

rockus
A Bit of a spiritual successor to Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels that while entertaining enough never quite comes together for me as well as his first feature. Outside of Statham, Pitt, and Alan Ford not much of the rest of the cast sticks with me and its never been quite as memorable as Lock, Stock.

plasma
Considering that I loved Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels about as much as Suprak loved Terrifier, I approached Snatchour second Guy Ritchie filmwith rock bottom expectations. Even with the bar set abysmally low, I was still disappointed. If theres one thing Ive learned from this project, its that the worst crime imaginable is giving Guy Ritchie an opportunity to write and direct a movie. His jokes fall limp, his characters ooze stupidity, and his storylines offer nothing to root for or care about. Either you somehow enjoy his brand of humor, or you feel like youre staring at a dead clown for two hours.

I decided to rank Snatch ahead of Lock because Snatch is more polished in terms of presentation and the Irish Tyler Durden fights were watchable. Oh, and I loved this snappy exchange between a customs agent and Dennis Farina when he returns from the UK:

Do you have anything to declare?
Yeah. Dont go to fucking England.

I laughed out loud. Congrats, Snatch. That bumps you up to #29. F

9. Snatch (2000)
Directed by: Guy Ritchie
Runtime: 1h 42m
Score: 136

Snake: 2
Tangy: 2
Poke: 2
John: 4
seginus: 5
ssbm: 8
Karo: 15
Myth: 21
Vis: 22
rockus: 26
plasma: 29

Snake
It's like Guy Ritchie remaking Lock, Stock, taking what that film established, and enhancing the comedic elements for a film that's even more nutty, exhilarating, and violent than ever, but also with a far more grounded sense of consequence and error. This film has potentially the best cast on the whole list, full of individual character quirks and sheer idiosyncratic charm. Endlessly quotable and instantly memorable. I mean Brad Pitt in this film - COME ON.

Tangy
I love how Guy Richie takes the standard gangster formula, twists it on its head and completely satirizes it. Usually we get to see a bunch of different factions trying to outwit and out muscle each other for their slice of the pie. Which is more or less the same here, with the only caveat being over half the characters here are complete fucking morons. It goes such a long way in keeping you gripped that I cant help but praise it to the highest degree. Not only that, but they all manage to be super endearing as well. Despite such a large cast, theyre all delightfully memorable in their own ways. Youve got Statham being the quick witted, relatable character, Brad Pitt coming in with my favorite movie accent
ever, Vinny, Sol and fucking Tyrone being some of the most lovable bank robbers ever seen on screen and Cousin Avi is a freaking riot, I could go on forever, but wed literally be here all day. They all contrast perfectly with Alan Fords intimidating Brick Top. Who despite being the most intelligent character, still gets murdered in the end. It just goes to show that in a comedy of errors like Snatch, your plans can and will go wrong no matter how powerful you are.

Poke
Probably the flashier of the two famous Guy Ritchie films, what with the addition of some big names like Brad Pitt, but the British wit still remains. Another great ensemble cast and just a riot of a film.

John
Everything LS&2SB did right, Snatch did even better and then some. Somehow this movie introduces more than a dozen different characters and manages to make just about every single one of them entertaining and memorable, regardless of how long or how short they were on screen. The humor, the action, and the dialogue are all tightly delivered in equal measure. This was an instant favorite of mine the moment I saw it years back, and it holds up just as well now.

seginus
I tried watching this a decade ago and I couldn't understand what anyone was saying. This time I used subtitles, and it was great fun! Basically a souped-up version of Lock Stock, with better color grading and a peak Brad Pitt with a ham accent. Interesting little interplay with the people being fed to pigs, the dog eating the squeaky pig toy, and the dude grilling sausages at the beginning and end. What was up with that? Anyway, I just enjoy these stories where there are lots of little teams of characters unknowingly revolving around the same MacGuffins. You could say it's nodding at Tarantino a bit much by hitting up both fixed boxing and a diamond heist for plot points but I think Ritchie brings enough of his own mojo to make this into its own thing. A British vulgar auteur.

ssbm
Rating: B

I was pretty engaged with this movie. It's funny all the way through and Mickey in particular is just magnetic and likable in all of his appearances. Brick Top is also particularly good and works great as an antagonist. He's the single link between all the seprate stories, which really works in linking all the movies together. I thought it was great seeing when characters were put out of commission in the story and it keeps you on your toes to see who will last till the end. I especially like the boxing fight that Mickey has at the end of the movie. Great camerawork there.

I absolutely love the intro of this movie. It reminds me a lot of Baccano! It's a really great way to familiarize yourself with the big cast and it just looks really clean. On the other hand, I do not like the opening of this movie, as in the very first opening scene. It basically spoils who the diamond belongs to at the very end, which just feels like a self-own to do in a movie where the diamond switches hands so often.

It's really hard for me to comment on comedies. It's funny. What else do I need to say about it? Do I need to explain why the jokes are funny? One thing I will say is that I particularly like the Ritchie style of comedy, where it seems to be more about the situation than individual lines or gags. It's about how not everyone is operating under the same information and that it just leads to a comedy of errors. The car chase where Boris is kidnapped is exactly what comes to mind. It's harder to explain the comedy, especially to an outsider, but it just works for me.

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Halo

UNSAFE [10]
[2] Black Phillip (The VVitch)
[2] HIM (The Powerpuff Girls)
[2] Lou (Guitar Hero 3)
[2] Lucifer (Supernatural)
[2] Mephisto (Marvel Comics)
[1] Pac-Devil (Pac-Man World Rally)
[2] Robot Devil (Futurama)
[2] Satan (Haxan)
[2] The Devil (Bedazzled)
[1] Zorc Necrophades (Yu-Gi-Oh!)

Black Phillip

UNSAFE [15]
[2] Beelzebub (Darkwing Duck)
[1] Black Phillip (The VVitch)
[2] Dark Heart (Care Bears Movie II: A New Generation)
[0] Diablo (Diablo)
[2] HIM (The Powerpuff Girls)
[2] Lou (Guitar Hero 3)
[1] Lucifer (Helltaker)
[2] Lucifer (Supernatural)
[1] Mephisto (Marvel Comics)
[1] Pac-Devil (Pac-Man World Rally)
[2] Robot Devil (Futurama)
[1] Satan (Haxan)
[1] Satan (South Park)
[2] The Devil (Bedazzled)
[1] Zorc Necrophades (Yu-Gi-Oh!)

Lou

Seanchan posted...

We should do a one off week sometime where rather than rank an album we rank 10-15 songs with the same title.

Just thinking about this because In You Eyes is on this album but its also a Peter Gabriel song that weve covered on So. Its also on Jessie Wares Whats Your Pleasure

To be fair, this is probably more difficult than I make it out to be but, I dont know, could be fun?

yeah I don't know what the logistics of that were but it'd be fun, I could see like 15 songs with "Mama" in the title

My Chemical Romance - Mama
Abba - Mamma Mia
Kenny Loggins - Your Mama Dont Dance
Ozzy Osbourne - Mama, I'm Coming Home
2Pac - Dear Mama

and so forth

He/Him

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Rules (mostly copy/pasted from SMFFFC):

- You personally (no bots/scripts/lending of accounts) can save 1 character per hour.
- A character needs 3 votes to be saved.
- Saves must be clearly understandable to count. If you save "Satan" or "Lucifer" with no further context your save will be ignored.
- Last 1 character unsaved is eliminated.
- No alts, no rallying, no post deletion/editing (unless correcting an update), no spoiler tags, no offering to save for next round saves.
- You may only trade saves for other saves within this contest. This means no buying/selling saves, no trading outside things for saves, no trades involving future contests.
- If you want to update, make sure it's accurate.
- Only Johnbobb can start up new topics.
- Community Rule is in effect. Deliberate rules violations will result in bans.

UNSAFE [19]
[0] Beelzebub (Darkwing Duck)
[0] Black Phillip (The VVitch)
[0] Dark Heart (Care Bears Movie II: A New Generation)
[0] Dark Prince/Satan (Puyo Puyo)
[0] Diablo (Diablo)
[0] HIM (The Powerpuff Girls)
[0] Lou (Guitar Hero 3)
[0] Lucifer (Helltaker)
[0] Lucifer (Supernatural)
[0] Mephisto (Marvel Comics)
[0] Ned Flanders as the Devil (The Simpsons Treehouse of Horror)
[0] Pac-Devil (Pac-Man World Rally)
[0] Robot Devil (Futurama)
[0] Satan (Haxan)
[0] Satan (Paradise Lost)
[0] Satan (South Park)
[0] The Devil (Bedazzled)
[0] The Devil (Charlie Daniels - The Devil Went Down To Georgia)
[0] Zorc Necrophades (Yu-Gi-Oh!)

ELIMINATED
20. Devimon (Digimon)
21. Chernabog (Fantasia)
22. Sadao Maou (The Devil is a Part-Timer)
23. Beelzeboss (Tenacious D in the Pick of Destiny)
24. Satan (Ghosts n Goblins)
25. The Devil (Cuphead)
26. Devil (Tekken 2)
27. Satan (The Binding of Isaac)
28. Mundus (Devil May Cry)
29. Satan (Dante's Inferno)
30. Minion (Twisted Metal)
31. Icon of Sin (DOOM)
32. Beelz (Stephen Lynch - Beelz)
33. Dabura (Dragonball Z)
34. Satan (Persona)
35. Satan (Cygames)
36. The Devil (Slingo)
37. The Ruler of Heck (Rockos Modern Life)
38. The Red Guy (Cow and Chicken)
39. Giratina (Pokemon)
40. The Devil, y'know, from The Bible (SnapCube's Real Time Fandub of Shadow the Hedgehog)
41. Satanael (Persona)
42. Blackheart (Marvel)
43. Shinnok (Mortal Kombat)
44. Truck Satan (Clustertruck)
45. Rodin (Bayonetta)
46. Louisa Ferre (Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey)
47. Lucifer Morningstar (Lucifer TV series)
48. Lucifer (Persona)
49. Lucifer/The Devil (The Rolling Stones - Sympathy for the Devil)
50. Darkness (Legend)

Gravity
Titans
Titan
Ghost

ELIMINATED
[1] Devimon (Digimon)

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UNSAFE [4]
[1] Devimon (Digimon)
[2] Lou (Guitar Hero 3)
[2] Pac-Devil (Pac-Man World Rally)
[2] Zorc Necrophades (Yu-Gi-Oh!)

Black Phillip

UNSAFE [14]
[2] Beelzebub (Darkwing Duck)
[1] Black Phillip (The VVitch)
[2] Dark Heart (Care Bears Movie II: A New Generation)
[2] Dark Prince/Satan (Puyo Puyo)
[1] Devimon (Digimon)
[2] Diablo (Diablo)
[1] HIM (The Powerpuff Girls)
[2] Lou (Guitar Hero 3)
[2] Lucifer (Helltaker)
[2] Mephisto (Marvel Comics)
[2] Pac-Devil (Pac-Man World Rally)
[1] Satan (South Park)
[2] The Devil (Bedazzled)
[1] Zorc Necrophades (Yu-Gi-Oh!)

Lou

Him

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Rules (mostly copy/pasted from SMFFFC):

- You personally (no bots/scripts/lending of accounts) can save 1 character per hour.
- A character needs 3 votes to be saved.
- Saves must be clearly understandable to count. If you save "Satan" or "Lucifer" with no further context your save will be ignored.
- Last 1 character unsaved is eliminated.
- No alts, no rallying, no post deletion/editing (unless correcting an update), no spoiler tags, no offering to save for next round saves.
- You may only trade saves for other saves within this contest. This means no buying/selling saves, no trading outside things for saves, no trades involving future contests.
- If you want to update, make sure it's accurate.
- Only Johnbobb can start up new topics.
- Community Rule is in effect. Deliberate rules violations will result in bans.

UNSAFE [21]
[0] Beelzebub (Darkwing Duck)
[0] Black Phillip (The VVitch)
[0] Dark Heart (Care Bears Movie II: A New Generation)
[0] Dark Prince/Satan (Puyo Puyo)
[0] Devimon (Digimon)
[0] Diablo (Diablo)
[0] HIM (The Powerpuff Girls)
[0] Lou (Guitar Hero 3)
[0] Lucifer (Helltaker)
[0] Lucifer (Supernatural)
[0] Mephisto (Marvel Comics)
[0] Ned Flanders as the Devil (The Simpsons Treehouse of Horror)
[0] Pac-Devil (Pac-Man World Rally)
[0] Robot Devil (Futurama)
[0] Satan (Haxan)
[0] Satan (Paradise Lost)
[0] Satan (South Park)
[0] The Devil (Bedazzled)
[0] The Devil (Charlie Daniels - The Devil Went Down To Georgia)
[0] Zorc Necrophades (Yu-Gi-Oh!)

ELIMINATED
21. Chernabog (Fantasia)
22. Sadao Maou (The Devil is a Part-Timer)
23. Beelzeboss (Tenacious D in the Pick of Destiny)
24. Satan (Ghosts n Goblins)
25. The Devil (Cuphead)
26. Devil (Tekken 2)
27. Satan (The Binding of Isaac)
28. Mundus (Devil May Cry)
29. Satan (Dante's Inferno)
30. Minion (Twisted Metal)
31. Icon of Sin (DOOM)
32. Beelz (Stephen Lynch - Beelz)
33. Dabura (Dragonball Z)
34. Satan (Persona)
35. Satan (Cygames)
36. The Devil (Slingo)
37. The Ruler of Heck (Rockos Modern Life)
38. The Red Guy (Cow and Chicken)
39. Giratina (Pokemon)
40. The Devil, y'know, from The Bible (SnapCube's Real Time Fandub of Shadow the Hedgehog)
41. Satanael (Persona)
42. Blackheart (Marvel)
43. Shinnok (Mortal Kombat)
44. Truck Satan (Clustertruck)
45. Rodin (Bayonetta)
46. Louisa Ferre (Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey)
47. Lucifer Morningstar (Lucifer TV series)
48. Lucifer (Persona)
49. Lucifer/The Devil (The Rolling Stones - Sympathy for the Devil)
50. Darkness (Legend)

skullbone posted...

There's a busted combo to abuse the hot location right now (Sinister Bar). You play Nightcrawler to fill up the location then on turn 5 you move one away and play Blue Marvel. Then on Turn 6 you move them all away and fill the location with Onslaughts. 3 Onslaughts with Blue Marvel gives all of your cards +1000 power.

Just make sure to play some 2 drops and 3 drops to get around Killmonger.

Holy shit

I still love the Watchmen movie too

And ZS Justice League was surprisingly good

Outlier Ranking
rockus: 152
ssbm: 150
plasma: 141
Poke: 139
John: 131
Mythiot: 124
seginus: 121
Snake: 120
Vis: 119
Karo: 117
Tangy: 114

Vis
First things first, this particular subject matter might be home to some of the most awful scumbags imaginable, but Ginger has gotta be right up there as one of the worst people Ive had the misfortune of watching. I cannot remember a single positive moment she contributed to the plot after her introductory scene. And maybe thats the whole point; she was at her best when she was in control and running her hustle, and when it came time to settle down and live a more domesticated life, she just couldnt deal with it. Without the hustle, she grew restless, and that led to her ultimate downfall.

On the other side of things, while Sam mightve been possessive, he really comes across as one of the better human beings weve seen on the criminal side of things. He just wanted to run his casino and turn a profit and generally be a good guy about maintaining a legitimate business that could mask the mafias illegitimate dealings. Was he perfect? No. But he had high expectations of the people working for him, and the people working around him, and he wasnt willing to compromise his high standards just to make the organization of crime easier for those around him. Ive honestly gotta respect that, because if youre going to have a fatal flaw (and it wasnt even fatal, ultimately), being too hard of a worker is a good one to have.

Ultimately though, while the movie was interesting in terms of giving an inside look at how the casino business of the seventies was a front for the mafia, I think it dragged on a LITTLE too long. There were several instances where I kept thinking Okay, this is ramping up to the ending, but there was still over an hour and a half left to go. The movie just kept piling things on, and it got a little bit repetitive by the end. I still found the ending satisfying, as everyone got got who deserved to get got, and Sam got to live his life comfortably, doing what he was best at. Even in retirement from the casino business, hes still a hustler, and I respect that from a character.

Finally, just gotta mention that while Ginger sucks, Nicky was a real problem. I mean, I appreciate Joe Pesci playing a hard-ass, probably because hes a good example of a Napoleon complex. But at a certain point, he was just like Ginger, fucking around and fucking things up because he couldnt sit still and just enjoy a legitimate and comfortable life. He even had a wife and kid, and didnt seem to have the kind of marital difficulties Sam had, yet he still threw it away because he wanted to be a big shot. He cared more about crime than his own family. Boo to that, but I suppose it added some conflict that at least made the bloated runtime more interesting.

John
I initially had Casino rank higher, but perhaps more than any other film on this list, Casino suffers from what it's paired up against. On its own, the film is a blast. DeNiro and Pesci are both incredible here, and Scorsese obviously has this stuff locked down at this point in his career. Maybe that's part of what stops it from really standing on top? It's an excellent movie but at the same time, it's a retread to an extent of other ideas presented in the gangster epics that spanned the 70s to the 90s. Still, it's pretty easily the best film set in Las Vegas (in my opinion) and that alone is some steep competition.

Poke
A bit more lengthy than Goodfellas, I see how Scorsese was trying to riff off of that style, just with Vegas as the backdrop. It is still a good film, but it lagged a little bit here and there.

Tangy
I want to put this one so much higher, but I just cant justify it! Im completely head over heels for the setting, Pesci is as great as ever and surprisingly enough Sam Rothstein is pretty damn likable. He might have an ego the size of a house and gets angry pretty easily, but hes consistently the most level headed of our protagonists and if he had just chosen his friends better he wouldnt be in this whole mess to begin with. I also found Stones performance to be insanely good. In a nice twist of fate its the romantic leads turn to have a huge downfall and it all comes out great. Definitely on the same level as Hill and Harris. Now I probably sound like a broken record at this point, but the runtime is a problem. A big question I always ask myself after watching one of these. Does this movie need to be over 2.5 hours? To me a long runtime is an indication that this film is going to be an epic in terms of scope and theres just too much to try and cram into the typical film length. Then you have something like Casino show up just to be a mid tier Scorsese movie. Movies like Taxi Driver and Raging Bull do so much more in less time and thats not even considering his movies that are on the list. I dont know, maybe its just a me problem, but its always something Im going to point out.

ssbm
Rating: D

Oh, Casino. You had so much promise in the beginning. Ace is the gangster trying to be legitimate. Nicky is the gangster who sees Vegas as his stomping grounds. There's other feuds going on throughout the movie, but this is the main one. I particularly like the narration done by either Ace or Nicky. I always enjoy different narrations because you get a sense of how they see the world and that's important for these two gangsters who walk different paths.

The problem is that it doesn't ever seem to go anywhere. There's a lot of talking, but surprisingly little action going on between these two. Also, Ginger. I cannot stand Ginger. I feel like that's the point, but it took me out of the movie, because I cannot see how both Ace and Nicky just tolerates Ginger when she's being completely ridiculous. They're gangsters! I'm not asking them to kill her, but every time they're in scenes together, it feels like the adults in the room are tolerating the baby having a temper tantrum. This is especially apparent when Ginger crashes into Ace's car in broad daylight and goes into his house. I cannot stand drug-induced character spirals. I don't think it's a compelling character arc. I also feel like it's too easy to put all the blame on the drug when it's also part of the circumstances that they're in. It's a shame, because I liked Ginger, but I just felt this was one of the lamer ways to take her character.

Eventually, characters start dying, but at that point, I just didn't care. Even Nicky's death just had no impact on me. I lost the thread of the movie and all I remember is just Ginger antics. Like, I'm reading my notes and I talk about how I enjoy how both Nicky and Ace take care of their kids. It's a humanizing touch. But then Ginger literally ties her kid up with rope and also attempts to kidnap her for money. This is what I mean! And everyone's just like "Yep. That's Ginger. Gotta normalize the situation." I'm just stunned. I really do not like the "hysterical woman" trope, but this is just a ridiculous character.

10. Casino (1995)
Directed by: Martin Scorsese
Runtime: 2h 58m
Score: 147

Karo: 2
seginus: 7
Snake: 8
plasma: 11
rockus: 13
Myth: 14
Vis: 14
John: 15
Poke: 17
Tangy: 19
ssbm: 27

Karo
This guy is sent out to Vegas by the mob to run one of their casinos there, and the story is about the day to day activities of casino maintenance, something that is a lot more interesting than you might think.
Things start to go south when he gets married to Amber Heard and his mentally unstable old friend comes to town to cause trouble.
It's just a well made movie that despite being one of the longer films on the list it never really felt long, something certain other movies could have really used.

seginus
Maximum Scorsese, almost to the point of parody. Constant zippy montages with classic rock needle drops (they're just a shot away!) and dueling narrators chaperone us through an ego clash that builds to a symphony of "fuckin' fuck you motherfucker" rants from every direction. The wardrobe is out of control, it looks like Marty ordered every kind of pastel suit possible. Loved the bit where Ace gets up from his desk to reveal he wasn't wearing pants in the scene. In many ways I found this the funniest Scorsese movie, it's just so over-the-top in style. The brutally serious ending really lands though, all the absurdity gets sucked out and you're left with the sober consequences. Pesci knocks it out of the park.

Snake
Casino takes the new-gangster era started by Goodfellas and pushes it to its natural limits. The set pieces are some of the best in the business, but the real focus here is on the script, the direction, and the performances. The direction is controlled in a way that feels both like something thats been in the works for years and a true off-the-cuff interpretation, while the actors seem like they're actually given more to say than the script permits, so the film simply transcends this limitation to become something more ambitious but perhaps less satisfying than a few other of its peers at the time.

plasma
If you get an erection from seeing slot machines, piles of cash, and De Niro-Pesci arguments, you had to have gone straight to the ER after watching this one. It shouldnt surprise anyone that IBoard 8s #1 oddsmakerloved all the Vegas lore this film had to offer. The first hour does a fantastic job with worldbuilding, and once the stage is set, we get to follow Sam Rothstein (aka Ace) as he navigates the hectic world of old-school Vegas while dealing with his unhinged wife Ginger and his opportunistic best friend Nicky.

While people often dismiss Casino as a Goodfellas clone, I dont see it that way. Sure, both movies share the same directorial style, but Casino has an actual plot with events that arise from a direct cause-effect relationship (Nicky did this, which caused Ace to do that, which caused Ginger to react like that, etc.) By comparison, Goodfellas is a collection of anecdotes from mob life (This happened, then this happened, etc.). Im a plot guy who needs some suspense in his life, so I prefer Casino, even if its three-hour runtime overstays its welcome.

I love that we get a protagonist here whos neither hero nor monster. Ace is portrayed as this calculating, level-headed gambling expert with severe trust issues. Though a major control freak, he rolls the dice with an unpredictable ex-hooker named Ginger and marries her. He knows its a bad move, but he goes through with it anyway. Its a dumb move but also a human one, and it puts his trust issues through a trial by fire. Throw in the pressure of delivering for the bosses and some betrayals from his best friend Nicky, and its a miracle that Ace stays cool for most of the movie. When he does explode, its a treat, especially the shouting match with Ginger when he throws her out (after she tied their daughter to her bed like a john yikes).

On this rewatch I noticed that the romantic and family subplots echo Scarface and Godfather II, respectively. Aces relationship with Ginger mirrors Tony Montanas relationship with Elvira, except the roles are flippedwhereas we root for Elvira to leave Tony in Scarface, here we root for Ace to get the hell away from Ginger, who becomes more unhinged by the minute. Her behavior also makes us root for him to rescue his daughter from Ginger and her pimp ex-boyfriendanother role-reversal if you compare this situation to Godfather IIs custody battle. I know Casino was based on a true story, but in the context of this project its fun to see how these relationship dynamics vary from movie to movie.

It pains me to admit that while I was mesmerized by Casino the first time I watched it, my latest rewatch didnt leave me as dazzled. Its still a strong movie, but the middle section drags at times and the ending lacks punch. Aces life coming full-circle certainly works (again, hes neither hero nor monster), but the ending lacks the wow-factor that caps off several other films on our list. B

rockus
Has the misfortune of being directed by Martin Scorsese after he had already made a classic like Goodfellas so it endlessly draws comparison to his previous film. Unfair considering its still a terrific looking crime epic in its own right. De Niro and Pesci are again in top form and Scorsese captures all the glamor, glitz, and seedy wheels turning behind the bright lights of mafia controlled Vegas casinos.

Myth
Intriguing look at the inner workings of a mob-run Las Vegas Casino, reuniting Robert De Niro and Joe Pesci from Goodfellas who both do great work as they set out to rob the residents and tourists of Vegas in similar ways, though De Niro has the appearance of legality he tries and fails to maintain over the film. A more pensive film than Goodfellas, with a stronger emphasis on De Niros deteriorating marriage with a con woman played by Sharon Stone, which was well-done and honestly kind of frightening.

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LiquidOshawott posted...

when is rule change

tomorrow!

ELIMINATED
[1] Chernabog (Fantasia)

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looks like I was too late

colliding posted...

edit: or even X-Men... wait...do I actually kind of want to see Zack Snyder's X-Men?

I mean... yeah kind of

Chernabog

I guess that tracks, if Zack Snyder was originally DC's Joss Whedon

Light mode, here and elsewhere

I've honestly never understood how everyone goes for Dark Mode, looking at light text on a dark screen for extended periods of time really bothers my eyes, especially if the room I'm in is at all dark

UNSAFE [14]
[1] Beelzebub (Darkwing Duck)
[1] Black Phillip (The VVitch)
[1] Chernabog (Fantasia)
[1] Dark Prince/Satan (Puyo Puyo)
[0] Devimon (Digimon)
[0] Diablo (Diablo)
[1] HIM (The Powerpuff Girls)
[1] Mephisto (Marvel Comics)
[1] Ned Flanders as the Devil (The Simpsons Treehouse of Horror)
[1] Pac-Devil (Pac-Man World Rally)
[1] Robot Devil (Futurama)
[1] Satan (South Park)
[1] The Devil (Bedazzled)
[0] Zorc Necrophades (Yu-Gi-Oh!)

Probably the only update I'll be able to get in for a while

Lou

who is Marvel's Zack Snyder then?

1. ???
2. Gangster No. 1
3. ???
4. ???
5. ???
6. ???
7. ???
8. ???
9. Miller's Crossing
10. The Irishman
11. Training Day
12. ???
13. Donnie Brasco
14. ???
15. ???
16. Lock, Stock & Two Smoking Barrels
17. White Heat
18. Battles Without Honor and Humanity
19. Gangs of New York
20. Sicario
21. Scarface (1985)
22. Little Caesar
23. Once Upon a Time in America
24. The Italian Job
25. American Gangster
26. Scarface (1932)
27. Lucky Number Slevin
28. LA Confidential
29. The Public Enemy
30. The Untouchables

going pretty well for me tbh

Him

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UNSAFE [21]
[0] Beelzebub (Darkwing Duck)
[0] Black Phillip (The VVitch)
[0] Chernabog (Fantasia)
[0] Dark Heart (Care Bears Movie II: A New Generation)
[0] Dark Prince/Satan (Puyo Puyo)
[0] Devimon (Digimon)
[0] Diablo (Diablo)
[0] HIM (The Powerpuff Girls)
[0] Lou (Guitar Hero 3)
[0] Lucifer (Helltaker)
[0] Lucifer (Supernatural)
[0] Mephisto (Marvel Comics)
[0] Ned Flanders as the Devil (The Simpsons Treehouse of Horror)
[0] Pac-Devil (Pac-Man World Rally)
[0] Robot Devil (Futurama)
[0] Satan (Haxan)
[0] Satan (Paradise Lost)
[0] Satan (South Park)
[0] The Devil (Bedazzled)
[0] The Devil (Charlie Daniels - The Devil Went Down To Georgia)
[0] Zorc Necrophades (Yu-Gi-Oh!)

ELIMINATED
22. Sadao Maou (The Devil is a Part-Timer)
23. Beelzeboss (Tenacious D in the Pick of Destiny)
24. Satan (Ghosts n Goblins)
25. The Devil (Cuphead)
26. Devil (Tekken 2)
27. Satan (The Binding of Isaac)
28. Mundus (Devil May Cry)
29. Satan (Dante's Inferno)
30. Minion (Twisted Metal)
31. Icon of Sin (DOOM)
32. Beelz (Stephen Lynch - Beelz)
33. Dabura (Dragonball Z)
34. Satan (Persona)
35. Satan (Cygames)
36. The Devil (Slingo)
37. The Ruler of Heck (Rockos Modern Life)
38. The Red Guy (Cow and Chicken)
39. Giratina (Pokemon)
40. The Devil, y'know, from The Bible (SnapCube's Real Time Fandub of Shadow the Hedgehog)
41. Satanael (Persona)
42. Blackheart (Marvel)
43. Shinnok (Mortal Kombat)
44. Truck Satan (Clustertruck)
45. Rodin (Bayonetta)
46. Louisa Ferre (Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey)
47. Lucifer Morningstar (Lucifer TV series)
48. Lucifer (Persona)
49. Lucifer/The Devil (The Rolling Stones - Sympathy for the Devil)
50. Darkness (Legend)

Agatha was top tier imo

Gorr could've been top tier. The performance was there, the costume design was phenomenal, but they dropped the ball story-wise. He was by far the best part of the movie and then they relegated him to the background for most of it

Wenwu was ok but I had too google who Wenwu was because I forgot his name entirely

Ikaris and Bill Skarsgaard were solid

Kang the Conqueror in Loki was probably the best moment of the show

Wilson Fisk is obviously top tier but that's completely bias because he already had three tv seasons behind him

Including the Spiderman: NWH villains feels like cheating but Green Goblin was arguably even better there than he was in his original film.

Was Todd really the main villain of She-Hulk? That feels weird to say

Arthur Harrow was solid, the complaints I have about Moon Knight weren't his fault

Ms. Marvel had two main villains and both were garbage

Best villain of phase 4 by far was Scarlet Witch

Your top 10!

Carlito's Way (1993)
Casino (1995)
City of God (2002)
Goodfellas (1990)
Pulp Fiction (1994)
Reservoir Dogs (1992)
Snatch (2000)
The Departed (2006)
The Godfather (1972)
The Godfather, Part II (1974)
Training Day (2001)

Outlier Ranking
rockus: 149
plasma: 140
ssbm: 133
Poke: 132
John: 126
Mythiot: 120
Snake: 118
seginus: 118
Vis: 115
Karo: 109
Tangy: 105

any rockus takes the lead again! It was nice while it lasted, huh?

plasma
The film equivalent of the Falcons-Patriots Super Bowl where the Falcons jumped out to a massive 25-point lead, only to choke everything away in the fourth quarter.

This was my second time watching Training Day, and even though I was prepared for the movie to repeatedly shit its pants over the final forty minutes, I somehow managed to be more disappointed this time around.

This movie is Top 5 material early onDenzel delivers an otherworldly performance, the camerawork casts a hypnotic spell, and this gritty, nasty-ass portrayal of LA legit scares me. Its easy to empathize with Ethan Hawkes character as his eyes wander in terror as he sees more and more of the nightmare he signed up for. Everything is visceral and mesmerizing, and the dialogue pours hard truth over it all.

Then the bathtub scene happens. Beaten and handcuffed, Ethan Hawke is about to be executed at gunpoint. A good protagonist would fight back or devise a clever solution to save himself. Instead, hes rescued by plot convenience and horrendous writing. Its revealed that the wallet he picked up hours ago just so happens to belong to the cousin of the gangster about to execute hima gangster who lives among countless others in the SECOND-LARGEST city in the country. This stroke of unfathomable luck saves Hawkes life and sends him safely out the door. Fuck this script.

Things dont recover after that. The entire film soon devolves into a cut-rate action flick, complete with broken logic (Denzel tries to murder Hawke with a shotgun, but DOESNT push him off the roof? Seriously?), broken physics (a rear windshield explodes when Hawke is thrown against it), and broken realism (that final standoffmy word). Its an agonizing meltdown, and not even Blurry-Naked Eva Mendes can take the pain away.

What baffles me is how such a snappy, gritty crime drama can implode like Training Day does. Did anyone critique the script before this thing went into production? Did anyone call out Wallet Ex Machina? Did anyone scribble red ink over the ending? Seriously, anyone?

Im starting to wonder if Training Day is secretly a bad movie thats propped up by Denzels incredible performance. Trouble is, Im not watching it again to find out. B-

Myth
Denzel Washington has got to be pretty strong to carry this film like he does, elevating the rest of the material around him like only a great actor can. To be fair, its hardly mediocre, a very well-done story of Ethan Hawkes rookie cop getting hands-on experience seeing how effectively a manipulative psychopath can abuse his authority, getting further into danger the longer the day goes. That said, its significantly better whenever the focus is on Denzel.

Poke
A riveting thriller that doesn't have things laid out as good and evil. Just a whole of grey....matter as it's spilled. Heyo!

seginus
Hawke and Washington make a dynamic pairing in this extreme good cop/bad cop routine. It's very straightforward in its approach, there's not much mystery concealing the corrupt Alonzo. It's more like he rides a 'hide in plain sight' strategy to a hubristic downfall. This has one excellent scene where the gangsters call the girl Hawke saved and she starts lying about ditching class, great tension there. Practically became a horror movie. But over time I kept bumping this down the list, as it doesn't leave much lasting impression. Call me crazy but when it comes to Fuqua I still prefer Brooklyn's Finest.

rockus
Ethan Hawke and Denzel Washington are good in this but a lot of Washingtons sinister bravado gets downright silly at times. Decent enough since Im kind of partial to films that take place in condensed periods of time and it leans heavily on the strengths of its two leads, especially Washington. But would it kill them to hold on a shot for longer than two or three seconds and maybe give these two great actors a little room to breathe for their performances?

11. Training Day (2001)
Directed by: Antoine Fuqua
Runtime: 2h 2m
Score: 150

ssbm: 3
Snake: 7
Vis: 10
Karo: 10
John: 11
Tangy: 12
plasma: 15
Myth: 17
Poke: 18
seginus: 18
rockus: 29

ssbm
Rating: A

The two main characters - Alonzo and Jake - are just great. They complement each other so well. Alonzo, of course, just steals the spotlight in every single scene he's in, but Jake does a great job of being a likable protagonist. He's an honest cop, never compromising on his morals. All three acts of the movie have great scenes in them, with the second act being really strong, when Jake learns that Alonzo is corrupt and he's been grooming him to become the next Alonzo. I love the conversation Alonzo has with Jake about getting Jake on his side and the entire scene where Jake has a gun to Alonzo's face is excellent. The intro to the movie is great too. It does a great job of making you feel completely lost and dancing to the beat of Alonzo's drum. And, of course...smiles and cries. Jake kinda overacted on being high, but it's still a really great scene.

I think the movie kinda wobbles around the end. The confrontation with Jake and Alonzo, especially inside Alonzo's home, is great. The confrontation inside the Jungle where everyone's watching...ehhh, it's starting to lose me. I also think the rape subplot and the Chicanos subplot mixing together is a little too convenient for my taste. But those are all minor issues. The first two-thirds and even the last third is just really entertaining. What a day.

Snake
Man I love Denzel Washington in this; a truly twisty movie full of dark turns, nasty antagonists, a slightly less-than-relatable anti-hero completely turning the whole concept on its head, and Ethan Hawke as the glue that holds it all together. It's one of the most compelling police procedurals I've ever seen. I used to be a little down on this film actually, but this recent rewatch has completely changed my mind. It's a damn masterpiece.

Vis
I know this has come up a few times on the list already, what with police corruption and all, but it was nice to see another film where the organized crime in question were the police themselves. Alonzo Harris is a bad motherfucker who views himself as above the law because he himself is the law, and we get to watch him just casually commit increasingly horrifying crimes as the movie goes along, because theres no one stopping him. But unlike some of these other movies where they PURELY idolize their horrific, villainous main character, were treated to Harris actions through the lens of a nave and pure Jake Hoyt. Hes rightfully disgusted by Harris from minute one (forcing him to take drugs), and as such, we as viewers can latch onto him as the hero that needs to defeat the evil at the end (whether he succeeds or not). I just found the plot engaging, especially how they seed doubt of Harris infallibility throughout the film, until he reaches his ultimate downfall. Its very well-told in that regard.

Karo
When a young rookie officer is paired up with an eccentric detective, it makes you think its going to be a funny buddy cop movie, but it then goes down some dark paths that are very on the nose about policing in america.
You see, Alonzo seems like just an ordinary cop to me. Albeit one who doesnt bother wearing the mask. 'who's he gonna complain to?' 'we're the police, we do whatever the fuck we want!' Sounds about right.
It's a decently made film that manages to subvert my expectations while helping educate a public brainwashed by police propaganda TV crime serials.

John
One of the best things Training Day does is its examination of the different levels of organized crime. Instead of diving into the individual tiers within the mafia as some of the more dedicated mob films do, Training Day portrays "the Russians" as an almost invisible force that kinda floats behind everything, not showing up visually until the very last scene. It portrays different levels of street crime, from the nobodies jumping women on the street to the smaller gangs to entire communities of people run, at least in part, under gang control. There's the low-level corrupt cops, the corrupt ex-cops, the upper echelon corrupt cops that view themselves as invincible, and then there's Alonzo himself, who in his last shout tries to declare himself above everyone else in the film's most famous line. The film attempts to ask a lot of questions about which is the worst of any two evils and how far you can go while still calling yourself "the good guy" in your own head. It can't answer all those questions, and it knows it can't, so ultimately Ethan Hawke is left a much more broken man for it at the end of the day.

Tangy
Who doesnt love this movie? This is another one of those movies thats just completely carried by one actor and in this case its Denzel. Honestly Alonzo Harris is one of my favorite types of villains. Hes so scummy, but you just cant help but to enjoy his charisma. It creates this unique dynamic to the character that makes you want to trust him, even though you know its a bad idea. It all has tremendous payoff too when we finally see his ego collapse upon itself. Everything else is solid too, but Denzel has the spotlight on him whenever hes on screen.