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Outlier Ranking
plasma: 136
rockus: 131
John: 126
Poke: 125
ssbm: 125
Snake: 114
Vis: 114
Mythiot: 114
seginus: 111
Karo: 108
Tangy: 104

Snake
Explores the themes of police violence & corruption through a masterful use of location, with strong performances that run the gamut from menacing, sleazy, self-referential, powerful, and heartbreaking. Set in a well-used 1950s, the film is anchored by strong work from leads Kevin Spacey & Russell Crowe, who offer up two of the best performances of their careers (but fuck Kevin Spacey anyway). Its a popcorny sort of movie, but artful at the same time.

Tangy
Two words. Danny. DeVito. I swear to god, I am contractually obliged to like a movie more just based on his inclusion. This man is one of my favorite character actors (which is really impressive considering hes sitting next to Joe Pesci) and its always a treat to see him pop up. Oh yeah? The rest of the movie? Its good. Im a sucker for anything noir already, but its compounded by a fantastic cast. Spacey might be a disgusting scumbag in real life, but hes fucking great at playing one too. Hes just so charismatic, it almost makes you forget his character is the posterboy for Flaws of the Police Force (nice job JB on including them with Organized Crime, that led to it being a very cool twist for me.). Russell Crowes also here and he pretty much just plays Sonny Corleone, but for the LAPD as he ran around beating the shit out of everybody. Now the only one I cant get behind is Guy Pearce. Seriously no matter how hard I try to like this guy, I cant find a single performance of his I even remotely enjoyed. He always just feels completely out of place, here hes supposed to play a serious guy who wants things done right, but he over extends and just walks around like he has a stick up his ass. Hell when Basinger is seducing him, he looks completely disinterested! Like what are you doing dude? Anyway yeah Confidential was a fun time and honestly I wouldnt be surprised if I watched it again here soon.

rockus
A fine throwback and twisty neo-noir about police corruption and Hollywoods underbelly. Probably the first thing I noticed Guy Pearce from but what a great first impression it makes for him. And boy is Kim Basinger perfectly cast in this. I would have liked to see it deal more with how the tabloid news is utilized to push a police narrative but a pretty great picture nonetheless.

ssbm
Rating: C

This is a good plot. I always like conspiracy/detective movies where the detective is trying to unravel something and it turns out to be this large conspiracy. Exley is a good detective to follow. He's pristine and clean, but learns throughout the movie that he needs to take drastic actions to achieve his goals. You know who I don't like? Bud. He really doesn't work in a post-ACAB world where he's playing Russian Roulette with inmates and hangs a lawyer by his leg outside a window. Like....what? It's ridiculous. I especially "like" when he doctors a crime scene, something that's coded as "corrupt cop" in every other movie, but is played straight here.

Thankfully, there's not too much Bud. Exley is good and I even like Jack, even though Jack is kind of a silly character. It's kinda hard to take any scene he does seriously due to the nature of his character. But yeah, the plot and Exley does a lot of heavy lifting here. There is a really strange scene of Exley being seduced by a prostitute who is also Bud's girlfriend. Exley just...agrees to sleep with her and the prostitute...agrees to sleep with him. I feel like neither character has any reason to follow through with this, but it gives the villain some pictures to get Bud to try and kill Exley. Pretty weird scene. Not as weird as all the Bud scenes.

John
This, more than pretty much any other movie on this list I can think of, defines the well-made, clean-cut crime film that, despite being extremely well-polished, just didn't grab me in any way. It's objectively a solid movie, but I probably won't remember the names of any character by tomorrow except Rollo Tomasi (which doesn't really count, does it?)

seginus
Right away I have two issues with this movie: Kevin Spacey and Russell Crowe. Never liked these guys, even before the Spacey stuff. To be fair, they're cast as douchebags here and I can't argue they don't fit the roles. But both of them in one movie is too much for me, I can only tolerate one at a time. Beyond that, L.A.Confidential is a boilerplate noir aimed at Hollywood's sleazy upper crust, faithful to its Raymond Chandler/Dashiell Hammett influences but comes off as a cornier version. It frequently whiffs on the hardboiled dialogue with lines like "Go back to Jersey, sonny. This is the city of angels, and you ain't got any wings", often dragging the tough guy acts down to a level of parody that I don't think was intentional. Didn't work for me!

12. LA Confidential (1997)
Directed by: Curtis Hanson
Runtime: 2h 18m
Score: 151

Karo: 4
Myth: 5
plasma: 7
Poke: 7
Vis: 12
Snake: 12
Tangy: 14
rockus: 14
ssbm: 18
John: 28
seginus: 30

Karo
On the seedy streets of LA, Professor Plum and Derek Chauvin fight against department corruption and movie star prostitution.
It seems to me like the writers are too often trying to portray the honorable cop poorly, while portraying the violent sociopath cop as heroic somehow. I don't know if this is an artistic decision, or a sign of just how deeply the perversion of justice in this country runs.
It's a very good movie that is presented very well in most aspects and despite my discomfort at the presentation of some of the themes I found it quite enjoyable.

Myth
Fantastic mystery film following three L.A. cops of varying temperaments, a good cop, a bad cop, and a shady cop, none wholly sympathetic or unsympathetic, who attempt to solve a gruesome multiple homicide that turns out to be far more than it first appears, revealing layers of rot within the systems of the city. Russel Crowe and Guy Pearce are the standouts in their breakout roles, bringing depth to their assigned archetypes as well as Kim Basinger as the perfect femme fatale for this neo-noir. And of course, its got Danny DeVito as a tabloid editor, who cant love that?

plasma
The most forgettable movie on our list. No, really. I watched L.A. Confidential back in 2019 and couldnt remember anything about it when I started this project. Not a single plotline, scene, or frame. I couldnt even remember which actors were in it, and thats crazy considering it has a star-studded cast that includes Russell Crowe, the late Kevin Spacey, Guy Pearce, and the human scrotum known as James Cromwell.

Now this isnt to say L.A. Confidential is a bad movie. Its just one of those rare movies that does everything well but nothing spectacularly. I literally dont have a bad thing to say about it. Sure, I could nitpick things like Danny DeVitos character being annoying or some rushed character development on the part of the big three (Crowe/Spacey/Pearce), but this is a tight, clever, entertaining flick. The only problem is that it doesnt have that feature film feel. It feels more like a two-hour episode of The Shield, and theres no signature moment or quotable dialogue or any WOW-factor. L.A Confidential is simply a good all-around movie.

Now before I forget everything from my rewatch, I want to point out that I love how meticulous this movie is. Every character serves an important role within the plot. Even Danny DeVitos hacky journalist character, who appears to be a throwaway court jester, ends up being the driving force behind the pivotal confrontation between Crowe and Pearce.

And how good is Guy Pearce in this movie? He plays the by-the-book, snooty officer so well that I actually found myself rooting for him more than Russell Crowes likable, meatheated mommy-avenger. Pearce and Crowe are fantastic foils to one another, one calculating and political while the other is impulsive and politically indifferent. I love that they set aside their differences (and their wacky love triangle) to take out the corrupt cops and save the day with that department cover-up. The ending is great with Pearce compromising on doing whats right so he can do whats best for the LAPD, while Crowe somehow survives and rides off into the Arizona sunset with Not-Veronica Lake.

Bonus points for that clever interrogation scene midway through the movie. Pearce manipulating the suspects while Crowe storms in with brute force to obtain the info they needed was great. B+

Poke
Want to add a big ball of fun energy? Just throw Russell Crowe into a film. And give him or have him be the foil to a partner. It works in so many films, and this is no different. And of course, the rest of the cast is great. I love the noir feel to it.

Vis
Its really weird having seen this after playing L.A. Noire, because you can tell that game was directly inspired by this movie. Ill give a ton of credit though, because you finally have a mafia movie that (perhaps by removing Paul Guilfoyles mob boss in the opening scenes) IS set in the 40s/50s, but ISNT set in New York/New Jersey, or Las Vegas. It just added a new setting that hadnt really popped up on the list before, which opened up a bunch of possibilities for itself. The rich pimp in Beverly Hills, the slimy tabloid writer, and the variety of movie star prostitutes made for unique plot points that kept the tension up because they allowed for all sorts of red herrings, right up until the end of the film. Plus, I liked the fact that the organized criminal operation in the movie was the police force themselves, which added another element of who are the good guys here?

I will say that the thing holding this film back is something small and kinda stupid, if Im being honest. But you essentially have a trio of protagonists in this movie. First, you have Exley, who stands out as unique; hes the by-the-book cop with clean, slicked-back hair and glasses. But then you have Kevin Spacey and Russell Crowe, both having short brown hair, and both fitting into the role of cop that isnt exactly CORRUPT, but definitely willing to cut a lot of corners to get the job done. So you have these two characters that look relatively similar and fulfill a similar role, and then you throw in like three different crimes that interconnect with one another, and I have no idea whos supposed to be working which case, and when. I understood the plot by the end of the movie, but it definitely took me a while in the middle to understand the plot because the characters just felt like the overlapped a bit too much.

ELIMINATED
[1] Sadao Maou (The Devil is a Part-Timer)

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There are a lot of pretty rough snubs (Bully really hurts) but God of War not making it in just seems bonkers. That was like the game that defined the PS2

UNSAFE [8]
[1] Black Phillip (The VVitch)
[0] Chernabog (Fantasia)
[1] Devimon (Digimon)
[0] Pac-Devil (Pac-Man World Rally)
[1] Sadao Maou (The Devil is a Part-Timer)
[0] Satan (South Park)
[1] The Devil (Bedazzled)
[0] Zorc Necrophades (Yu-Gi-Oh!)

Him

Lou

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UNSAFE [22]
[0] Beelzebub (Darkwing Duck)
[0] Black Phillip (The VVitch)
[0] Chernabog (Fantasia)
[0] Dark Heart (Care Bears Movie II: A New Generation)
[0] Dark Prince/Satan (Puyo Puyo)
[0] Devimon (Digimon)
[0] Diablo (Diablo)
[0] HIM (The Powerpuff Girls)
[0] Lou (Guitar Hero 3)
[0] Lucifer (Helltaker)
[0] Lucifer (Supernatural)
[0] Mephisto (Marvel Comics)
[0] Ned Flanders as the Devil (The Simpsons Treehouse of Horror)
[0] Pac-Devil (Pac-Man World Rally)
[0] Robot Devil (Futurama)
[0] Sadao Maou (The Devil is a Part-Timer)
[0] Satan (Haxan)
[0] Satan (Paradise Lost)
[0] Satan (South Park)
[0] The Devil (Bedazzled)
[0] The Devil (Charlie Daniels - The Devil Went Down To Georgia)
[0] Zorc Necrophades (Yu-Gi-Oh!)

ELIMINATED
23. Beelzeboss (Tenacious D in the Pick of Destiny)
24. Satan (Ghosts n Goblins)
25. The Devil (Cuphead)
26. Devil (Tekken 2)
27. Satan (The Binding of Isaac)
28. Mundus (Devil May Cry)
29. Satan (Dante's Inferno)
30. Minion (Twisted Metal)
31. Icon of Sin (DOOM)
32. Beelz (Stephen Lynch - Beelz)
33. Dabura (Dragonball Z)
34. Satan (Persona)
35. Satan (Cygames)
36. The Devil (Slingo)
37. The Ruler of Heck (Rockos Modern Life)
38. The Red Guy (Cow and Chicken)
39. Giratina (Pokemon)
40. The Devil, y'know, from The Bible (SnapCube's Real Time Fandub of Shadow the Hedgehog)
41. Satanael (Persona)
42. Blackheart (Marvel)
43. Shinnok (Mortal Kombat)
44. Truck Satan (Clustertruck)
45. Rodin (Bayonetta)
46. Louisa Ferre (Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey)
47. Lucifer Morningstar (Lucifer TV series)
48. Lucifer (Persona)
49. Lucifer/The Devil (The Rolling Stones - Sympathy for the Devil)
50. Darkness (Legend)

I mean
Yeah
This is basically
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But in actual sms texting I usually use more complete thoughts to not send multiple texts

Bloodborne
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LightningStrikes posted...

Need more votes:
Lollipop Chainsaw (3 votes)

I'll throw this one an 8.3

oh good the correct winner won

ELIMINATED
[1] Beelzeboss (Tenacious D in the Pick of Destiny)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8-LH_VUROk

UNSAFE [7]
[1] Beelzeboss (Tenacious D in the Pick of Destiny)
[1] Black Phillip (The VVitch)
[1] Chernabog (Fantasia)
[1] Devimon (Digimon)
[1] Diablo (Diablo)
[1] HIM (The Powerpuff Girls)
[1] Lucifer (Supernatural)

Lou

Mr_Crispy posted...

you copied and pasted the same comments twice (Karo and Inviso)

oh jesus christ

good catch, no wonder it was so long, I reposted by far the longest write-up

now karo just gets a whole post all to himself there

UNSAFE [18]
[1] Beelzeboss (Tenacious D in the Pick of Destiny)
[1] Beelzebub (Darkwing Duck)
[1] Black Phillip (The VVitch)
[0] Chernabog (Fantasia)
[0] Devimon (Digimon)
[0] Diablo (Diablo)
[1] HIM (The Powerpuff Girls)
[1] Lou (Guitar Hero 3)
[1] Lucifer (Helltaker)
[1] Lucifer (Supernatural)
[1] Mephisto (Marvel Comics)
[1] Ned Flanders as the Devil (The Simpsons Treehouse of Horror)
[0] Pac-Devil (Pac-Man World Rally)
[0] Robot Devil (Futurama)
[1] Sadao Maou (The Devil is a Part-Timer)
[1] Satan (Paradise Lost)
[1] The Devil (Bedazzled)
[1] Zorc Necrophades (Yu-Gi-Oh!)

HIM

Outlier Ranking
plasma: 131
rockus: 129
Poke: 120
ssbm: 119
Snake: 114
Vis: 114
John: 110
Mythiot: 107
Tangy: 102
Karo: 96
seginus: 93

And rockus has finally lost the lead! Still neck and neck, but plasma has overtaken, with Poke and ssbm close behind.

Scarface may have received drastically mixed opinions, but it received some opinions

Wild to go from LS&TSM only requiring one post to Scarface requiring five

Oh, and the bosses are characterized differently as well. Lovo is a weasel who comes across as completely pathetic when Calmonte starts making moves and usurping his authority. So, when his hit fails and Calmonte comes to get him back, you can understand him being a coward in those last moments. But with Frank, hes painted as this no-nonsense hardass who can go toe-to-toe with Montana, only to act like a complete moron when his target walks into his base, OPENLY carrying a gun. It feels like Frank was even built as this badass to make Tony seem even MORE badass when he gets the better of him and has him crying on his knees.

Then theres the ending. Calmontes life is going smoothly because hes not a complete dickhead, overplaying his handbut everything falls apart when his fatal flaw (the quick temper) gets the better of him, and he unnecessarily kills his best friend. This starts his downfall, as his heartbroken sister rats him out to the police. He killed his best friend, and because of this, everyone else he cared about gets shot and killed in a police raid on his headquarters. Calmonte survives long enough to stumble downstairs and beg the cops not to shoot and kill him, because he's afraid. His bravado is gone, and hes killed when he runs for his life, and he gets gunned down by the police.

Montana? Despite his bad decisions, hes largely able to set himself up nicely through sheer force of will. He gets busted for tax evasion, but hes on-track to get away with it because his drug lord buddy can pull strings in the government. HIS fatal flaw, which leads to HIS downfall, is that he actually shows compassion at a time when, in-character, he really shouldnt give a shit. Hes punished for very briefly showing a shred of dignity by refusing to blow up a mother and her two children. Given how Montana is portrayed throughout the movie, it paints this one instance of human decency as a BAD thing, because its what upends the gravy train. But Montana still goes out in a heroic blaze of glory, fending off dozens of criminals before dying. The difference in those endings is so stark that its almost laughable.

Everything about this movie just glorifies Tony Montana, when hes not supposed to be the good guy. Thats just extremely frustrating from a narrative perspective, and even some positives like the music arent enough for me to really praise the film. I get that its beloved and critically well-received, but I can definitely understand why it has become such an oft-used movie poster on the wall of douchey frat bros.

Inviso
Ive already had to say this several times in my write-ups (going chronologically), but I hate having to reference other movies when discussing a film in these rankings, because it spoils my later options. I kinda have to though, because my opinions on the Pacino version of Scarface are heavily influenced by several other films Ive already watched for this list. With both Godfathers, Ive seen an acting role that netted Al Pacino multiple academy award nominations. And with the original Scarface, Ive seen this story told (mostly) before. With that in mind, this version of Scarface just feels like a major step down, and I think it all revolves around a singular, central facet. Tony Montana is fucking AWFUL.

The first time were introduced to Tony Montana in this movie, hes being interrogated by customs and immigration, and hes incapable of behaving like a pleasant human being. He acts like a complete jackass who thinks hes too much of a tough guy to give these officers the time of day. And because hes the main character, were supposed to be on his side from this. Then he gets roped into the organized crime racket with an assassination, and Tony is justhes portrayed as far too cool, right off the bat. His emotions range from unflappable and idgaf, to violent outbursts to show how much of a badass he is. So, hes constantly talking shit to authority figures, or just generally staring down the barrel of a gun (or chainsaw) like its no big deal. Theres NEVER a moment early in the movie where we really get to feel like Tony is just a human being who has emotions and feelings, and care for anyone but himself.

Then at the fifty-minute mark, were introduced to his family, and even his mother knows hes a complete piece of shit. But this is the point where were introduced to Tonys little sister, who he was weird semi-incestuous fixation on. We really only see her in four scenes throughout the movie, yet for whatever reason, the writer decided to hang Tonys hat ENTIRELY on her in terms of showing that hes NOT a completely inhuman monster. My point about this first scene is that it comes about a third of the way into a three-hour movie, and its the FIRST were seeing of ANY sort of home life for Tony to show him as anything other than a generic movie badass.

Tony eventually runs his mouth and gets far too cocky, talking shit and just generally behaving like a total jackass, but because hes the main character, he survives two assassins gunning for him with machine guns, gets away, and then waltzing into his boss office, brandishing a gun, because he knows his boss set him up. Tony just power leveling his way to boss status by shooting his boss AND the crooked cop that happened to be meeting with him at the same time? Why not? Tony Montana is the ultimate badass, and the coolest person who ever lived. He even gets the boss own guards to turn their back on him, with a comedic musical beat as he offers one of them a job when the guard thinks hes going to get killed as well.

We then get a montage of Tonys rise. He buys his sister a hair salon, he gets married, and he buys a big mansion. Everything is great, but this is just a montage. It goes for five minutes, tops, and its the only time in the entire film that Tony isnt stoic or scowling or angry, so of course we cant highlight that for any period of time to give us a point where Tony has his rise and happiness, before that ultimate fall comes around. Nope, as soon as the montage hits, we get Tony being unsatisfied with how his wealth and power isnt getting him everything that he wants. Eventually, he even gets busted for tax fraud, when he has to get his money laundered outside of a bank. He of course handles his arrest with the kind of dignity you would expect, once again being cocky.

To get out of this, Tony has to pull an assassination for his cocaine supplier, but after spending the entire movie being an entitled, self-centered jackass, he finally has a change of heart when hes averse to allowing a bomb to kill a woman and children as bystanders. How heroic. What a positive character. Never mind that this comes after his basically shit talks and browbeats his best friend (through the WHOLE MOVIE, mind you) in the scenes leading up to this. And he openly calls his wife barren in a crowded restaurant, then acts offended that the wealthy diners would be upset by his drunken tirade. He calls himself the bad guy, because I guess if he owns it, that suddenly makes him the victim?

This all culminates in the final scene, where the drug sellers men storm Tonys house to kill him, but first they kill his sister (who was only there because Tony killed his best friend, thinking he was fooling around with her, when in fact theyd just gotten married), and his loyal guards (who Tony doesnt give a fuck about at that point). Of course, because hes Tony Montana, Tony grabs a machine gun with a mounted grenade launcher and takes out a dozen rival soldiers before running out of ammo and surviving NUMEROUS bullet wounds himself, only to die by a shotgun blast to the back. His death is glorified along the same lines as any Arnold Schwarzenegger action hero from the 80s.

Its just so over-the-top, and it feels like at some point, the writer or the producer or the director just fell so much in love with having this awesome dude who could do anything and say anything and get away with anything, that lost the plot. Given all of his character traits, it feels like we shouldnt WANT to root for Tonys success, yet by sheer virtue of how bombastic he is, were not given a choice in the matter. And that makes the whole movie (which ends with several scenes of him creeping on his half-naked sister, mind you) feel gross. Theres still a certain level of intrigue, and certain aspects of the movie are well-done, but I just didnt enjoy it at all.

This brings me back to the earlier point about Michael Corleone and the 1932 version of this film. Michael showed that Pacino is capable of restraint, and of crafting a character that can be intimidating without needing to be over-the-top in his glorification of violence. I can understand how, even though Michael is a bit cold and sociopathic, hes able to take control of his family and run it successfully. With Tony, hes just so crazy that youd think someone wouldve put a bullet in his head on a whim WELL before he had a cocaine-fueled gunfight in his mansion.

And in the 1932 version, the same plot points are hit, but I can give it a bit more credit because its half as long. The sister plotline doesnt feel as awkward (or incestuous) when you can understand the need for brevity. Plus, Tony Calmonte, while still hot-headed, has moments where he comes across as charming. Tony Montana, even in his interactions with his future wife, acts like a fucking misogynistic scumbag who treats her like a sex object long before theyre even together.

seginus
Pacino nails this iteration of Tony Montana, playing him as a crude hothead with a grudge against the world. ThisScarface of popular canon is encoded in everything from Illmatic to GTA to Hotline Miami. The aesthetic is iconic - the 80's glamour of white suits and gold chains, tropical paradise clashing with synthetic/neon decadence. This even has the original 'Push it to the Limit' montage! I forgot about that. However, for a 3-hour entry, it's stretched pretty thin and really only puts stock in the one character, memorable as he may be.

Mythiot
Takes the basic plot of the original Scarface and resets in the neon and cocaine-filled world of Miami with extremely entertaining results. Pacinos Tony is a little too cartoonish for my taste, but hes undeniably a blast to watch and I appreciate that hes given more sympathetic qualities than the original. There are quite a few things that irk me, such as the incest subtext in the original being made more explicit and the instigator of Tonys downfall ending up being his unwillingness to kill women and children, but overall, I had a lot of fun with this, and the ending is iconic for a reason.

rockus
Relentlessly 80s and fueled by a scenery chewing Pacino at his most Pacino De Palmas Scarface is all about excess. A pretty great film that I wish I liked more, and maybe some of that is unjustly marred by its frat guy worship its received over the years, but some of it still comes off rather silly like its goofy montaging. Still pretty deserving of its iconic status though.

Snake
While on a technical level the film drowns itself in excess and reverence to gangsters of old, name dropping actors like Cagney, Pacinos Tony Montana is the man that keeps the pace on track, an amazing character rife with great quotes and a greater paranoia, demonstrating a more 80s action-filled approach to the genre with bombastic frills that I feel occasionally lacks greater depth.

John
Al Pacino, an Italian actor famous for playing Italian gangsters, shows up here as a Cuban man, and nobody questions it because he just absolutely kills the role. Now Scarface is no Godfather, with that intricate narrative and complex system of inner-family politics driving it all. No, this is just Pacino turned up to 11 for 3 hours straight with barely a moment to calm down. It's hard to know what'll ever happen in this film, beyond the fact that it becomes obvious fairly early on that pretty much everyone in Tony Montana's life is going to die violently, and it will primarily be his own fault. This is surprisingly faithful to the '32 movie despite changing major aspects (and being twice the length). Tony is still creepy as hell toward his sister, and I'll give this one more credit over the original for not having his sister get an arbitrary change of heart at the least second. Tony Montana is a shitty, despicable person and he doesn't seem to realize it until about 10 minutes left, and then goes down in a massive blaze of... I wouldn't call it glory, but it's something. Just a very memorable and exciting gangster flick.

Poke
Gonna need a montage! I enjoyed the progression of Tony rising to the top, just to have an epic downfall. And the ending is iconic for a reason.

Karo
The story of the second most badass person named after a US state and his diminutive pal you really should say hi to.
We follow the life of this arrogant newbie mobster as he rises in the ranks of the underworld up until he gets his well-deserved comeuppance and one of the most famous quotes in all cinema.
Al Pacino's acting ability to make this somewhat cartoonish individual seem believable is what really carries the movie, and it certainly is a great improvement over the musty old film is it (loosely) based upon.

13. Scarface (1983)
Directed by: Brian De Palma
Runtime: 2h 50m
Score: 158

plasma: 3
ssbm: 4
Tangy: 6
Karo: 9
seginus: 14
Mythiot: 16
rockus: 18
Snake: 19
John: 21
Poke: 22
Vis: 26

plasma
Props to Johnbobb for putting both Scarface movies on this list. I loved watching the remake after the 1932 original and seeing how certain plot points carried over while certain subplots (the family/sister subplot, most notably) got a makeover.

Anyway, here we see Al Pacino flexing his acting muscles for two-and-a-half hours in a crime movie that straddles the line between smart and pulpy. This was my second time watching Scarface (1983), and the action remained enjoyable while the actual plot came into sharper focus.

Now because I was paying closer attention, I have a couple nitpicks about the final act. First, I wanted a more tangible conclusion to Elviras storyline. She disappears after the dinner segment where Tony publicly rips her for being infertile, and theres no mention of her afterwards aside from Tony learning over the phone that shes gone somewhere. I dont buy the idea that a pampered drug-addict like Elvira would walk away from her lavish lifestyle and coke-dealing husband, no matter how bad he insults her in public. At the very least, I think she shouldve stormed back into the mansion prior to the raid and factored into the climax in some antagonistic way.

Another issue I had was with the scene where Tony shoots the car bomber whos trying to kill the UN Speaker. It feels so tacked-on, and Tonys sudden empathy for random women and children comes off as forced. I get that hes upset that his wife cant conceive, but seeing a sociopath like Tony turning all white knight didnt ring true to me.

If the writers needed an excuse for the mansion raid at the end, they couldve done better. Why not put Tony in a scenario where bombing the UN Speaker also kills Elvira? Set it up so Tony is conflicted about it. At first hes like, Fuck her for leaving me! Then he wavers, thinking about how she was his dream girl, and his dilemma swings back and forthmoney/career vs. loveuntil he finally shoots the bomber and has to pay the price later on when his boss Sosa finds out. Involving Elvira would have had much more impact than Tony sparing a random family we see on-screen for 20 seconds.

Wait, why am I complaining so much about this movie? I love it. Late-game issues aside, this is one of the most watchable movies on the list, and its loaded with memorable moments and performances. The world is yours until it isnt. A

ssbm
Rating: A

Tony Montana is probably my favorite character on this list. This is an almost 3-hour character study of Tony, going from his humble origins to having strong desires to achieving said desires to his downfall. It's fascinating to watch and Al Pacino does a great job embodying Tony Montana. There's so much to say about toxic masculinity and machismo with Tony Montana. I completely understand why he feels that way and the pains he goes through to achieve his desire, as well as the absolute boredom he feels once he achieves his goals. He's a fascinating character to watch.

The other characters show quite a bit of depth too. I especially like Gina, Tony's sister. You can really tell they're cut from the same cloth. It took me a while to understand why Tony is so protective of Gina and it was Manny's comment when driving Gina home that Gina is the only thing that Tony sees as purely good when Gina is so obviously not that. Again, it's great to watch. I even accept Tony's friendship with Manny. I thought the scene in the beginning where Manny tries to pick up women is pretty great and adds a lot of levity to both characters. I'm sold on all the character's performances in this movie. I think the only misstep is that Tony is somehow completely fine with his brother-in-law being chainsawed in the beginning of the movie. You would think he would be more upset about this!

I was basically hooked on this movie up to the Push It To The Limit scene (which, by the way, is just hilarious. I can't take that montage seriously with that music playing). Every scene is basically solid except maybe a few of the Tony/Elvira scenes. But the third act is pretty rough. Tony's coked up and I just can't find this compelling. I don't like characters who fall into a drug-induced descent in general. It makes them make stupid decisions and generally act hysterical. I understand that's the point, but I don't think it's satisfying at all. I also don't like the final scene of this movie, the famous "Say hello to my little friend!" scene. I'm just tired of fight scenes, especially gunfight scenes. They're just not interesting.

Tangy
Al Pacino trivializes the rest of the movie. Like the rest of Scarface could be complete dogshit and it would still crack my Top 10. His performance is just that entertaining. What I think makes this performance so engaging is specifically how he mixes douchiness with his charisma. Its like the perfect critique of toxic masculinity. Sure hes a fun quotable character with a lot of swagger, but hes still a despicable piece of shit who gets killed for it at the end. Scarface feels very much like a precursor to Wolf of Wall Street, pointing out that no matter how much fun you can be, excess is no way to go through life.

Beelzeboss

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UNSAFE [23]
[0] Beelzeboss (Tenacious D in the Pick of Destiny)
[0] Beelzebub (Darkwing Duck)
[0] Black Phillip (The VVitch)
[0] Chernabog (Fantasia)
[0] Dark Heart (Care Bears Movie II: A New Generation)
[0] Dark Prince/Satan (Puyo Puyo)
[0] Devimon (Digimon)
[0] Diablo (Diablo)
[0] HIM (The Powerpuff Girls)
[0] Lou (Guitar Hero 3)
[0] Lucifer (Helltaker)
[0] Lucifer (Supernatural)
[0] Mephisto (Marvel Comics)
[0] Ned Flanders as the Devil (The Simpsons Treehouse of Horror)
[0] Pac-Devil (Pac-Man World Rally)
[0] Robot Devil (Futurama)
[0] Sadao Maou (The Devil is a Part-Timer)
[0] Satan (Haxan)
[0] Satan (Paradise Lost)
[0] Satan (South Park)
[0] The Devil (Bedazzled)
[0] The Devil (Charlie Daniels - The Devil Went Down To Georgia)
[0] Zorc Necrophades (Yu-Gi-Oh!)

ELIMINATED
24. Satan (Ghosts n Goblins)
25. The Devil (Cuphead)
26. Devil (Tekken 2)
27. Satan (The Binding of Isaac)
28. Mundus (Devil May Cry)
29. Satan (Dante's Inferno)
30. Minion (Twisted Metal)
31. Icon of Sin (DOOM)
32. Beelz (Stephen Lynch - Beelz)
33. Dabura (Dragonball Z)
34. Satan (Persona)
35. Satan (Cygames)
36. The Devil (Slingo)
37. The Ruler of Heck (Rockos Modern Life)
38. The Red Guy (Cow and Chicken)
39. Giratina (Pokemon)
40. The Devil, y'know, from The Bible (SnapCube's Real Time Fandub of Shadow the Hedgehog)
41. Satanael (Persona)
42. Blackheart (Marvel)
43. Shinnok (Mortal Kombat)
44. Truck Satan (Clustertruck)
45. Rodin (Bayonetta)
46. Louisa Ferre (Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey)
47. Lucifer Morningstar (Lucifer TV series)
48. Lucifer (Persona)
49. Lucifer/The Devil (The Rolling Stones - Sympathy for the Devil)
50. Darkness (Legend)

Outlier Ranking
rockus: 124
plasma: 121
Poke: 111
ssbm: 110
Snake: 108
Mythiot: 104
John: 102
Vis: 101
Tangy: 95
seginus: 92
Karo: 92

What's that? Encroaching competition for rockus? Egads!

14. Lock, Stock & Two Smoking Barrels (1998)
Directed by: Guy Ritchie
Runtime: 1h 47m
Score: 162

Poke: 1
Vis: 2
Snake 10
Karo: 13
ssbm: 13
seginus: 13
John: 16
Tangy: 17
rockus: 20
Myth: 27
plasma: 30

Poke
What can I say? Guy Ritchie's magnum opus. It combines great interwoven gang politics and Guy Ritchie's style of humour. One of my favourite films, in one of my favourite genres, because like 7 films could have taken top spot. But this was the one to top them all. And if you don't like it, I'll send Big Chris for ya.

Vis
It was good to see a genuine comedy-style film on the list. Dont get me wrong, there have been plenty of goofier, or at least somewhat light-hearted films thus far, but this one was just great for its comedic potential. The sheer number of coincidences and misunderstandings made for an amazing watch, starting with Harry, a total scumbag, cheating to win the main groups hard-earned money. Thus, they need a plan to make that money back, and they choose to rob a set of robbers, who are themselves looking to rob a pot dealer. Meanwhile, Harry is trying to steal a pair of antique shotguns, which mistakenly get sold to the gang for their heist, and everything just explodes from there.

The bad guy robbers realize theyve been had and lay in wait for the gang to come back to an ambush; the pot dealer seeks out the gang, thinking they caused the initial robbery and then tried to sell him his own pot back; Harrys muscle shows up after the ensuing bloodbath to take the money and the guns; the gun burglars show up to take back the guns, since theyve been threatened with death by Harry; and in the end, everyone winds up dead except for the muscle, his son, and the gangwho have apparently committed no crimes whatsoever. Its hilarious as a plotline, and I loved the way everything worked out.

Snake
A relatively under-appreciated entry in the genre, this more twisted, low-stakes, late-90s crime comedy manages to be a lot of fun. Gunplay is used to spectacular comedic effect here, and the sprawling cast takes something like a Tarantino film and drapes it over this slapdash farce in a way that still manages to feel fresh and funny today.

Karo
Somewhere in Britain an ensemble cast of the most incompetent criminals ever bungle their simple underworld endeavors in the most catastrophic ways imaginable.
There is a certain dark hilarity to the situation as the body count rises and a pair of antique guns change hands rapidly leaving ever more carnage in their wake.
A lot of these movies were feeling quite similar to each other, and it was good to have a spot of weird British humor to liven things up.

ssbm
Rating: C+

This movie's carried hard by its third act. I don't dislike the first and second act, but it really is all set-up for the hilarious third act. Starting with Dog's theft of the marijuana farm, the movie just becomes funny. The theft is absurd, as well as the marijuana farm's defense. I especially like once Dog figures out it's Tom's crew that stole from them and Breaker also figures out the same thing and they just shoot each other. That's just great. I like the two incompetent thieves that Hatchet Harry unknowingly hires. I especially like the ending where Tom's crew finds out how expensive the rifles are and they desperately try to get Bacon back to keeping the rifles. The comedy's a breath of fresh air from the pretty serious set of movies we got here.

The cast is not really engaging. I don't remember most of the characters. They're also just not very interesting. You don't really get a sense of who any of these people are, just what faction they're a part of. The cinematography can be pretty good, like when Tom loses the bet or when Tom's crew is partying. But otherwise, the cinematography is kinda weird. There's this amateur-ish lighting that's always there that just bothers me as I watch the movie. Yeah, I don't have too much to say other than that third act is really good.

seginus
I had no expectations and was surprised by how much I enjoyed this, a classic British caper in the contemporary mold of crime movies as violent dark comedies (post-Tarantino/Scorsese). It's dense and zips along but never feels overplotted or hard to follow. Ritchie's directing is punchy and kinetic and the ensemble cast brings more cockney attitude than you can decipher, to the point of self-parody. I'm not big on the near-sepia look and some of the performances were naff (let's get British), but Sting was pretty good yeah? And hey, there's that cliffhanger ending from Italian Job! God save the queen!

John
Guy Ritchie, Jason Statham and Vinnie Jones all have their premiere in the same movie, and for all its flaws it's a lot of constant, violent, British fun.

Tangy
I wanted to try writing this without comparing it to Snatch, but I just cant do it. Everything even remotely enjoyable in the movie is just used better in Snatch. It sucks too, because its not technically Barrels fault either since it came first. As sad as it is to say its just inferior. It feels similar to the Reservoir Dogs/Pulp Fiction dynamic, but at least RD has more of an identity. Here its practically the same plot, with the same jokes, half the same actors and half the fun. That tangent out of the way, one its own its alright. The dialogue is quirky, the actions fun, but at the end of the day its just outclassed by the rest of these movies, not just its follow-up.

rockus
Though Snatch seems to be the more popular movie between Guy Ritchies early films I think Ive always preferred Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels. Even though it seems more chaotic I think the intersecting plot threads come together better and its ensemble is better balanced. Dont think Ritchie has really recaptured that same feeling since.

Myth
The most noticeable aspect of this film is how butt-ugly everything looks, the washed-out color scheme just didnt work for me at all. Beyond that, I did enjoy the sandpaper-dry humor of the dialogue and just how wrong everything goes for everyones plans, unfortunately none of the characters are particularly interesting or sympathetic so I had to struggle to care about them.

plasma
Opens with a snappy and captivating scene, then completely falls apart from there. Within five minutes, I knew this movie was destined for my Bottom 5. After another ten minutes, it became the frontrunner for my #30.

What turned me off most was the overabundance of characters thrown in my face. Approximately 5,382 British goons got introduced early on, and none struck me as charismatic or funny. By the time whats-his-face lost the rigged poker game, I had emotionally checked out.

To make matters worse, the humor ranges from trite (Dont use that language around my son!) to obtuse (And Roberts your fathers brother.) with plenty of airheaded stupidity mixed in. Not every comedy movie needs to be laugh-out-loud funny in order to be entertaining, but theres nothing here to redeem this one. No characters worth rooting for. No plot events worth anticipating. Nothing. Either this brand of humor clicks with you, or you hate your life for 107 minutes like I did. F

1. Sugar/Tzu
2. The Race is About to Begin
3. Welcome to Hell
4. Hellfire
5. Eat Men Eat
6. 27 Questions
7. Still
8. Dangerous Liaisons
9. The Defence

I don't know how to explain this album at all but I really dug it

ELIMINATED
[1] Satan (Ghosts n Goblins)

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Also, fun fact: 3/11 people had their last place ranking place in the top 50% overall!

One of them was Karo with White Heat, but two more we've yet to see

planning on getting in another post tonight, so get in your predictions while you can!

UNSAFE [6]
[0] Chernabog (Fantasia)
[1] Dark Prince/Satan (Puyo Puyo)
[0] Devimon (Digimon)
[1] Diablo (Diablo)
[1] Lucifer (Helltaker)
[1] Satan (Ghosts n Goblins)

Black Phillip

UNSAFE [14]
[1] Black Phillip (The VVitch)
[0] Chernabog (Fantasia)
[1] Dark Prince/Satan (Puyo Puyo)
[0] Devimon (Digimon)
[0] Diablo (Diablo)
[1] HIM (The Powerpuff Girls)
[1] Lou (Guitar Hero 3)
[1] Lucifer (Helltaker)
[0] Pac-Devil (Pac-Man World Rally)
[1] Satan (Ghosts n Goblins)
[1] Satan (Paradise Lost)
[0] Satan (South Park)
[1] The Devil (Bedazzled)
[1] Zorc Necrophades (Yu-Gi-Oh!)

him

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(5) Attack on Titan
(11) Space Ghost: Coast To Coast
(10) Scooby-Doo, Where Are You?

Outlier Ranking
rockus: 118
ssbm: 109
Snake: 104
plasma: 105
John: 100
Poke: 98
Tangy: 92
Mythiot: 91
seginus: 91
Karo: 91
Vis: 89

rockus gets a perfect score on White Heat, stopping him from moving up any higher, though he still holds his lead without much trouble. Meanwhile huge jumps for Karo and Seginus cause a 3-way tie near the bottom, with 5 different participants placing within 3 points of each other

Vis
Still very early in chronological order for this list, we hadnt really gotten the classic cop goes undercover as a criminal to infiltrate the mob storyline, but I think White Heat did a solid job of executing that concept. These movies really like writing crime bosses as violent, unstable psychopaths though, huh? Its crazy that a lunatic like Cody would ever be put in a position of power, yet here we are, with him running point on numerous violent sprees. Still, it makes the film more interesting to have the success or failure of the criminal dependent on the whims of a guy whod shoot you if you looked at him funny. I think thats what makes the undercover angle work, because Vic is so able to manipulate Codys emotions to guide him in a direction that benefits the police investigation. Plus, I like seeing that Vic has to improvise numerous times when Codys erratic behavior draws the plot off-course.

The only drawback I have is that I feel like you could almost afford to remove the mother/wife subplot, because they feel so irrelevant to everything. Dont get me wronghaving those characters helps characterize Cody in his lunacy, but I feel like theyre not given proper due as characters in their own right. The mother gets killed off-screen, and the wife swings wildly between faithfulness and betrayal, and it feels like neither one lives up to their full potential. I just think that if youre not going to write them as more than crutches to Codys story, you can afford to remove them outright and trim the movie down just a little bit. But thats a nitpick on my part, and I still enjoyed the film overall.

rockus
Cagney carries with a powerhouse performance and driven home by an iconic finale. Kind of a shame that it spends so much time on OBriens undercover plant who is just dwarfed by Cagney in so much of the film.

John
There are several films on this list carried by their lead, but James Cagney kind of raises the bar for that here. I'm going to make the bold assumption that The Public Enemy is dropping before White Heat does, so it won't be a spoiler that I really didn't care for the former. This is almost 20 years later, with Cagney in the lead, again as an over-the-top gangster, and man he does SUCH a better job this time around, with a performance that is still outrageous enough to grab and hold the viewer's attention, but without feeling as silly. Cody might be the least intmidating gangster name of all time, but he's an absolute dangerous lunatic and that's never in question. Seeing his progression from a mama's boy train robber to the screaming gang leader gunning down his own last crew member before blowing up half a mile of fuel tanks just to avoid getting caught or shot by cops is just a hell of a journey.

Tangy
This one surprised me! I ended up watching this near the end and was feeling pretty burned out at this point. Especially after I wasnt too hot on some of the other b&w films. White Heat however did a very good job on showing how much film had evolved over the course of nearly 20 years. For starters we see Cagney again and he proceeds to knock it out of the park. You can tell he was having some fun with the role at this point. Im also personally loving how these films affect each other. Scorsese must have been inspired by this when he was working on The Departed. Honestly this movie alone is making me want to watch the next list in chronological order.

seginus
A good reminder that the genre could have used more badass gangster mamas throughout (and even within this movie). It's such a boys club after this, all godfathers this and goodfellas that. Cagney chews it up as a tortured maniac who goes around robbing trains and slapping everyone. The tension is high when the undercover cop tries to befriend him in jail, because you know if he slips up Cagney is going to slap the shit out of him. Seriously though, the scenes teasing out the possibility of the cop getting found out are the best in the movie. The over-the-top ending is fun too. But I thought the overall narrative lacked a driving force and kept me at arm's length.

Karo
So we have this convict who the feds are trying to find the location of his hidden stash or something so they get as his cellmate this undercover cop who follows the crime boss around with a weird clingy demeanor that says either 'seriously I'm totally not a narc' or 'hey bro, I want to fuck'. Is this moron really the best man they have?
Anyway things go sideways due to a prison break and the ensuing manhunt sees ridiculous plans from everyone that are as unnecessarily complicated as the antics of Wile E Coyote and only slightly more effective.
Characters are cartoonish and lacking in basic common sense. People are knocked out by being hit lightly in the shoulder with a gun barrel. But by golly, the good ol' moral fiber of america was preserved. Hallelujah!
Indeed, front and center is an idiotic and contrived plot just to get around the hays code stipulation than you can't have a criminal as the main character. I know this is not truly the fault of the filmmakers, but rather the fascist anti-art puritans that this damn country still cant seem to be rid of, but I really don't know how you would expect a gangster movie made under the code to be anything other than very very dumb.
The only white heat I see here is white hot agony, and even one movie from this era on the list is one too many.

15. White Heat (1949)
Directed by: Raoul Walsh
Runtime: 1h 54m
Score: 172

ssbm: 5
Poke: 8
plasma: 10
Mythiot: 10
Snake: 13
Vis: 15
rockus: 15
John: 17
Tangy: 22
seginus: 27
Karo: 30

ssbm
Rating: A-

I'm pretty impressed by the nuance this movie conveys for its age. James Cagney does an excellent job as Cody. I really get the sense that he's a manchild criminal, but also that element of a manchild that really loves his mother (who's also in the crime business). The scene where Cody learns that his mother died still haunts me to this day. I really love that scene, as well as the scene where his mother warns Cody of the betrayal in his gang. Likewise, I really like Edmond O'Brien's role as Vic. For undercover cop plots, I think you really need to sell the origin story. How does this stranger get into being a friend to an established mob boss? This movie does a pretty good job of showing that relationship evolve.

The other members of the cast are great too. I loved the sideplot between Big Ed and Verna, as they try to take over Cody's gang while Cody is in jail. I thought it paid off really well when Cody escapes and Verna quickly fakes a story of being co-erced by Big Ed. Speaking of paying off really well, I was pretty surprised when Bo, a minor character who only serves as an obstacle for Vic by knowing his true identity, comes back for the big ending. This movie handles pay-offs well. Even small scenes like when Vic has to deliver a message to the cops and quickly comes up with a scheme in the gas station bathroom. This movie just feels smart. I really enjoyed watching this.

As someone who studied history, it's pretty fascinating just seeing old tech in old movies. I loved the faux-cell phone by just having a full-on telephone inside cop cars and that's how they speak to one another. I also liked the cops' way of tailing criminals, especially later on, where they use this...ring thing and angles on a map to figure out where someone is. It's really cool. I don't know if they were just BSing and this is the old-school version of Hollywood Plot Magic, but I liked it.

Poke
Cagney at his best with this slow descent into madness and delusion. The story is great. Loved the prison scenes, someone from the law side trying to infiltrate his gang and thwart his schemes. Top of the world!

plasma
White Heat is at least twenty years ahead of its time. While watching this, my brain melted several times as it tried to grasp the idea that a 40s movie could offer all the grit, suspense, moral ambiguity, and snappy dialogue that weve come to expect from contemporary storytelling. Seriously, if you shot this in high-def and threw in a few dozen F-bombs, youd think you were watching an HBO original from the past decade.

White Heat does an amazing job with characterization. None of the major characters are who they appear to be when we first meet them. James Cagneys lead character Cody Jarrett is a criminal badass but also a mamas boy. His beautiful wife appears loyal to him, but a single look she gives his right-hand man changes that perception. Then you have the dual-sided Fallon/Pardo, an undercover cop who tries to win Codys trust and has to stand by while crimes and murders are committed in front of his nose.

I went into White Heat completely blind, and Im glad I did because this is the first movie on the list with a truly compelling plot. When the movie opened with a train robbery, I never expected it to evolve into a prison escape story. Nor did I expect so much deception and strategizing from the criminals and the cops. At times it feels like this movie inspired Nolans Dark Knight Trilogy, especially with all the gadgetry and containment tactics used by the cops later on.

Cagney completely owns his role as Cody Jarrett, embodying a psychopathic charisma while conveying a believably broken man with mommy issues and delusions of grandeur. The ending scene with him on top of the world is a fitting ending and also a refreshing one, as he goes out on his own terms, unlike the 1930s triplets.

My only major complaint with White Heat is that the front half was noticeably stronger than the back half. It was engrossing to watch the storytellers light fuse after fuse early on, making us question what will happen over the course of the story. While the late-game payoffs certainly had impact, they were more predictable than I wouldve liked.

Complaints aside, White Heat is the best pre-Godfather film on our list. B

Myth
Cody Jarrett is the most detestable of these very early film gangsters, an absolutely ruthless psychopath. I could feel the terror the prisoner who had to whisper the news of Ma's death to him must have felt. But his emotional connections first to his mother and to the undercover cop also make him the most interesting. Loved this one, though it drags somewhat between the escape from prison and the final caper. The literally explosive finale more than makes up for it.

Snake
James Cagney pushes the limits of psychopathy in this thrilling and oftentimes frightening portrayal of a gangster, pulling back no punches as the psychological limits of the genre are plundered to great effect as it pioneered a caper for the ages.

Beelzeboss

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UNSAFE [24]
[0] Beelzeboss (Tenacious D in the Pick of Destiny)
[0] Beelzebub (Darkwing Duck)
[0] Black Phillip (The VVitch)
[0] Chernabog (Fantasia)
[0] Dark Heart (Care Bears Movie II: A New Generation)
[0] Dark Prince/Satan (Puyo Puyo)
[0] Devimon (Digimon)
[0] Diablo (Diablo)
[0] HIM (The Powerpuff Girls)
[0] Lou (Guitar Hero 3)
[0] Lucifer (Helltaker)
[0] Lucifer (Supernatural)
[0] Mephisto (Marvel Comics)
[0] Ned Flanders as the Devil (The Simpsons Treehouse of Horror)
[0] Pac-Devil (Pac-Man World Rally)
[0] Robot Devil (Futurama)
[0] Sadao Maou (The Devil is a Part-Timer)
[0] Satan (Ghosts n Goblins)
[0] Satan (Haxan)
[0] Satan (Paradise Lost)
[0] Satan (South Park)
[0] The Devil (Bedazzled)
[0] The Devil (Charlie Daniels - The Devil Went Down To Georgia)
[0] Zorc Necrophades (Yu-Gi-Oh!)

ELIMINATED
25. The Devil (Cuphead)
26. Devil (Tekken 2)
27. Satan (The Binding of Isaac)
28. Mundus (Devil May Cry)
29. Satan (Dante's Inferno)
30. Minion (Twisted Metal)
31. Icon of Sin (DOOM)
32. Beelz (Stephen Lynch - Beelz)
33. Dabura (Dragonball Z)
34. Satan (Persona)
35. Satan (Cygames)
36. The Devil (Slingo)
37. The Ruler of Heck (Rockos Modern Life)
38. The Red Guy (Cow and Chicken)
39. Giratina (Pokemon)
40. The Devil, y'know, from The Bible (SnapCube's Real Time Fandub of Shadow the Hedgehog)
41. Satanael (Persona)
42. Blackheart (Marvel)
43. Shinnok (Mortal Kombat)
44. Truck Satan (Clustertruck)
45. Rodin (Bayonetta)
46. Louisa Ferre (Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey)
47. Lucifer Morningstar (Lucifer TV series)
48. Lucifer (Persona)
49. Lucifer/The Devil (The Rolling Stones - Sympathy for the Devil)
50. Darkness (Legend)

ELIMINATED
[1] The Devil (Cuphead)

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UNSAFE [3]
[1] Chernabog (Fantasia)
[1] Lucifer (Supernatural)
[1] The Devil (Cuphead)

Chernabog

UNSAFE [11]
[1] Black Phillip (The VVitch)
[0] Chernabog (Fantasia)
[1] Devimon (Digimon)
[1] Diablo (Diablo)
[1] HIM (The Powerpuff Girls)
[0] Lucifer (Supernatural)
[1] Satan (Ghosts n Goblins)
[1] Satan (South Park)
[0] The Devil (Bedazzled)
[1] The Devil (Cuphead)
[0] Zorc Necrophades (Yu-Gi-Oh!)