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I feel like WB is going to commit way harder to advertising and pushing Multiversus which is gonna make a big difference. That animated trailer was pretty huge.

BK_Sheikah00 posted...

The claim that you have to lose menuing when going for action isn't quite right. Just because FFXV did it wrong. FF7R and Stranger of Paradise have more than enough menuing.

7R's menuing sucks, that stupid weapon sphere grid is a huge waste of time. When I played INTERmission I set that on auto and never looked back. The materia stuff is fine, it just needs the ability to save loadouts or something with all the party switching going on.

yes

it also counts if you turn on noclip and god mode on every level

who gives a shit

pjbasis posted...

Meh market trends are just market trends.

I think being the only AAA budget game with turn based gameplay (that's still very dynamic and sells the illusion of action) would do still do great. Can even still be open world!

I mean you're kind of bumping up against the issue here which is that AAA games takes tons of money to make which pushes them towards market trends. The thing that lets FF continue to feel fresh and creative despite being pushed towards a mass audience is the willingness to experiment while they do so. Not that it always works out! Another issue here is that Square historically dumps tons of budget and sets unrealistically high expectations for projects that cause even reasonable successes to be a "disappointment."

Also I don't really care to debate what exactly is and isn't "AAA" (game budgets are too opaque) but Persona 5, Yakuza 7, and Dragon Quest all have a fair amount of budget behind them as well so I don't think it's exactly unique on that front. I also think FF spends WAY more on marketing than these other series

Mac Arrowny posted...

Meanwhile, Yakuza 7 switched from action to turn based combat and became the best selling game in the series.

This is probably due to it being a soft reboot and the snowball effect of the series taking off more than anything to do with the actual gameplay style. I think Judgement and Lost Judgement are doing very well for similar reasons, although I don't know the direct numbers for comparison.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Just look at the articles STILL coming out and trying to misrepresent what happened. Johnny wouldn't have had a chance to clear his name if the trial was kept private and people didn't see for themselves what happened in court.

yes, you've correctly identified that the trial was a PR move for Johnny Depp, which is the thing being complained about

Strife2 posted...

Persona, Yakuza 7, Atelier, and (I assume) Trails all have their flavor on it, but X still has the quickest and easiest system to just "play" without thinking.

This is exactly what I don't like about it lol. They added all these snappy moving pieces but it's very straightforward so it just ends up feeling like I'm doing extra fiddling around. It's a good baseline, I guess.

def better than Y7 though, the issue there is low strategic variety but high bloat. It's even more mindless and not as snappy. Game is still good overall, just not that battle system!

foolm0r0n posted...

That's ATB. It's a turn based but made more messy and blurry by adding real time timing, just so you feel like it's more exciting and dynamic. But it's not, it's dirt simple and formulaic just like any turn based system. The timing aspect adds nothing and only takes away. X-2 was fun despite that because it had sweet animations (perfecting style over substance).

I'm well aware. The "mess" is good actually. I legitimately think the unpredictability of enemy attacks and reactive nature of ATB add more tension to random battles than FFX's very small increase of strategic complexity. I think if you added ATB to FFX, so that it had both small strategic complexity and a time crunch, it would be a lot more engaging.

This is basically why I like FF7R's combat so much, though it goes even farther into action gameplay, that's what it's doing.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

The Average Joe can listen to Answers and feel nothing, but there's a reason it can start playing during a cutscene in Endwalker and grown men and women will start openly weeping on stream in front of thousands of people.

I absolutely love Meguro and Mitsuda, but I'm not tearing up while driving to the grocery store when one of their tracks hits my shuffle.

Ok I'm gonna have to call you out here though. Answers was composed by Uematsu, lmao.

The thing Soken did was remix it in about 50 other songs, establishing emotional connections to it in your brain that climax when the original plays in a dramatic moment. He is a master in his own way.

Strife2 posted...

High praise, considering people like Mitsuda and Meguro are still releasing great soundtracks. I just want Final Fantasy to follow Uematsu's approach of "riff based" compositions. FFXII had good "orchestral" stuff, but I never felt it got hooks into me. Hamauzu at least had that down, even if his songs weren't super amazing. I like catchy and simple.

Good news: this is most of what Soken does. He recycles leitmotifs and makes catchy bangers. That's his bread and butter. It's like the modern Final Fantasy version of Toby Fox, if you are into that kind of style.

(And this is not just a random comparison I'm making because I have Homestuck on the brain: Soken literally put an Undertale leitmotif into FF14.)

Although, I'm not sure he'll have as much room to mess around with his huge variety of genre inspirations in a mainline game, I'm sure we're gonna get something good.

redrocket posted...

Wait. Are we seriously entertaining the idea that Homestuck, specifically, fundamentally changed fandoms as a whole in some way that wasnt already happening due to the widespread adoption of social media and wikis?

No, hence LS saying "Homestuck is a Lost." It took what was already happening and is a hyper accelerated version of it, and also happened to be made by weirdos on the internet instead of huge corporations. The show is called "Homestuck Made This World" but the parallel conceit is that Homestuck Was Made By This World.

too learn more...listen to the podcast???

Lightning Strikes posted...

Let me tell you about Homestuck Made This World, a podcast where two academics recap Homestuck and talk about how it effectively invented modern fandom and fan discourse. Just about everything with a dedicated fanbase is a Homestuck these days as I believe youre getting at.

To make matters more confusing, Homestuck is a Lost!

Oh I'm aware. I was trying to stop myself from going even further off the rails with this exact rant lmao. But now that someone else has taken the bait: yes! HMTW is excellent and people should really give it a listen, even if (maybe even especially if) you never read or cared about Homestuck. It's the best way to never read Homestuck. The hosts have a ton of insights about how fiction and mass media culture work in general and are using Homestuck as a way to examine them.

you can even listen to it in the background while doing fetch quests in ff14

Mac Arrowny posted...

SMT5 had better combat than FF7R IMO

I think FF7R is suburb but also, SMT battle systems blow turn-based FF out of the damn water. I do not really get the nostalgia for turn-based when it comes to FF. The best FF battle systems used ATB anyways!

Lord Bob Bree posted...

Is FF XIV the new "let me tell you about Homestuck"?

Unironically yes, FF14 is "a Homestuck" in the same way that the MCU is "a Homestuck." I will not derail this topic further by elaborating.

Mac Arrowny posted...

I dunno if any single player RPG I've played has as much tedious grinding as FFXIV.

FF14 main story doesn't have "grinding," it has fetch quests and filler. I have played tons and tons of games with those, or just where the normal acts of playing the game itself though random battles or whatever get tedious. I just got done playing Yakuza 7 not too long ago and complained to a friend the battles got pretty tedious, they responded that it was basically just Dragon Quest. Or for non-RPGs I also just beat God of War 2018, a game that's about three times longer than it needs to be. So that's about where I'm coming from.

See the playtime complaint is pretty valid but I also think people tend to underestimate how tedious MOST rpgs and other types of AAA games in general are. But that's fine, everyone has different breaking points for that.

I mean it goes beyond "we like both games." They are being made by the same team within the company. Same director, same composer, (one of) the same writers, same localizer. I'm sure there is more staff overlap as well.

This is essentially like if you were getting excited for Sekiro and getting annoyed people bringing up how good Dark Souls is.

There's even a free trial that includes the first expansion so you don't even have to pay a sub fee to get two games worth of stuff. I'm not sure if Heavensward is soloable yet, but the base game is.

And hey, better a free trial now than FF16 which seems to be shaping up to be a paid trial for 14!

Yeah it's not really that weird when you think of what magitek is actually doing in Final Fantasy games. More often than not, it is either a lost civilization thing or being used by the antagonists for corruption and war. There's some notable exceptions (X inverts it - the antagonists cement rule by restricting technology) but here they're just setting up the "war is bad" motif as...war. Also wow cool summons.

Strife2 posted...

But I wanted grimdark...aww.

Also, I know absolute jackshit about XIV, so I have nothing to go off of.

Well he's not writing. The person credited as Screenwriter, Kazutoyo Maehiro, was the main scenario writer for A Realm Reborn and Heavensward. Heavensward I would not describe as "grimdark" but it is taking cues from dark fantasy like Game of Thrones. Edgy stuff still happens, such as: a dragoon character who is a stereotypical edgelord (affectionately) kills a dragon halfway through the storyline and spends the rest of the plot literally stained red by its blood. FF16 looks like it is leaning into that a bit more.

What Koji-Fox being here means is that this will happen, and then five minutes later you will get a quest named after a Simpsons reference or a meme from a decade ago. Or he will warp the lore itself so that he can make a joke about a god's testicles.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Localization Koji Fox

alright anyone worried about the game being too grimdark can cool it now that the meme master is confirmed

also all this talk about summons and you guys are missing the REAL hype inclusion

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/2/9/AAMkRCAADS5V.png

we're fucking in for it now

A lot of obvious thematic overlap with FFXIV here (as well as a couple other FF games) where the summons are obvious stand-ins for massively destructive tools of war. The angle looks slightly different - this time they're tied to specific characters and so the relationships have changed. I'm on board!

After FF7R and playing an obscene amount of Yakuza, I am no longer skeptical of Final Fantasy as an action game. Bring it on.

The original is super ambitious for a GBC platformer, honestly. Yeah it's jank in a lot of ways but it gets a really bad rap. Still, I would only check it out if you're curious about that sort of thing.

I've only played the first three, I'd say Pirate's Curse is good but Risky's Revenge is a skip. It's a pretty mediocre, less streamlined version of 3. It retains a lot of the clunkiest bits of the first game like the overworld while ALSO getting rid of the interesting things it was doing like the dancing mechanics and transformations.

The simple fact of the matter is if the victim said to drop it then it's not really any of our business. Even if a fight occurred that doesn't necessarily make it our business or mean conflict can't be resolved outside of a criminal case, which clearly both parties wanted to avoid by getting the charges dropped.

I understand it's part of this case as part of establishing a history of conflict but I really don't think you can read into it too far.

kevwaffles posted...

While I don't know what Biscuit is specifically referring to, those examples are pretty blatantly not directly comparable.

What? Why? I'm genuinely not sure what you're getting at.

The claim being made was that the Depp case will finally allow male victims of abuse to be taken seriously. Rock points out they already were during #MeToo. Biscuit refutes that, so I point out specific cases.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Yeah and do you remember how these male celebrities who came out were treated? They were ridiculed and made fun of and disbelieved on the basis they were men. And then no other male celebrities came out about abuse again after that.

Okay who specifically are you talking about because Terry Crews became an internet hero for years and Kevin Spacey was taken down by a male accuser

It's still very hard in general for abuse victims to come forward but I have no idea why this narrative about male victims uniquely not being believed is still persisting considering that we went through a huge cultural shift about that at the same time as the rest of the #MeToo movement. And there are more and more male celebrities comfortable with speaking about being abuse victims, it is just generally not these big Hollywood scandals that blow up this way.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I feel if people feel less inclined to pursue their own trials because of this trial that is their problem not anyone watching this trial.

I just have a really hard time believing this, Depp won his suit because he meticulously documented a ton of shit and had better lawyers, and he's in a pretty unique position to come forward as a well liked public figure. How applicable is that to most abuse victims?

The only ways I see this case moving the needle is on the public reaction, and frankly I think the memification of it has been insufferably bad in a way that's only gonna have bad effects.

I feel like you hear the "anything but country and rap" line more often in a popular music context just because popular music is what most people are listening to. And maybe I'm wrong but I think it's largely an outdated mindset; I associate it very strongly with backlash by people whose tastes leaned more towards rock music and its derivatives against the decline of rock's pop relevance in the 2000s. That's when rap and hip-hop really started ascending into mainstream status and also you had that "pop country" sound going on. The popular conception of metal back then was nu-metal, and I don't think people are getting really granular about subgenres when they're saying this either.

Anyways this is all to say the music landscape has changed so that even the broad generalizations of genres people are making can be wildly different. There is a ton of variety even within mainstream popular rap, for example, the same is not true for country.

This movie sucks but it's still enjoyable in its own way. It's exactly the same kind of movie as Space Jam 2 which just rubs me the wrong way. The thing that salvages it is that the writing is significantly better, there's some pretty good gags and jokes and in general it feels like more people gave a shit about trying to make a good movie. It shows! But at the same time it's weirdly low budget and slapped together, it feels like more money went towards paying for third-party IPs than the actual animation.

Speaking of which I do gotta say I got a real kick out of the legally distinct Bullet Bill. They definitely got shut the fuck down by Nintendo and went around them lol

Peace___Frog posted...

Frankly, I think the world would be a better place if people in stem and the arts took ethics courses (part of philosophy).

As a stem person myself I'll go further and say in addition that basic media literacy is an essential skill for everyone in today's world and it's just not taught well or at all.

Ah. This must be the "dirty tricks campaign" Elon warned us about (because he was asked for comment and knew it was about to be published)

https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1527417752574644230?t=AzbrR0xP-w4Vg6c10xTLWA&s=19

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1527317718931677186?s=21&t=xmK8L9SSMN4sU84PaxWFiQ

lol I know were all tired of Elon, but the notion that the Right is moving more towards center is offensively stupid.

Edit: I feel like hes specifically saying thats how it should be in this tweet, not saying thats how it IS, but Im inferring he believes it is by how hes voting Republican now

I feel like he's taking the observed electoral trends of how voters flip based on parties in power, then trying to apply a radical centrist ideological explanation to it. Very incorrectly. But also as Jakyl says he's trying to justify his anti-union stance. Plenty of reasons to not overanalyze it too much.

KamikazePotato posted...

Salt' is the same except it spread to an even wider net. I've heard non-gamers and non-twitch-users call people salty.

You've got this one backwards - "salty" did not start with fighting games. It's originally AAVE that was used by people in the FGC, from there it spread into nerd culture.

No need to get defensive - I like the Marvel multiverse movies. I stand by my statement.

ninkendo posted...

it's nice that if remasters exist they're just using those
instead of sticking you with the older crusty version

except for the Jak and Daxter remasters, which for some reason run like absolute trash

Dang the FF6 one with the snowfield and character names is sick

also didn't know cyan's name is short for CAYENNE that's much better

Lopen posted...

Maria unpacked it more

Maria was talking about bad data gathering and survey methodology, which I think is a good and fine point to make but is actually tangential to the issue of whether or not Gamers want Diversity. You can't use a badly designed survey to prove the opposite point it makes, you can only discount that particular data. So you're back to talking about personal opinions on the matter which is what is actually prompting people to respond to her claims.

My post here is, in itself, another example of Posting turning things into rather pointless semantic debates so I'm gonna drop it after this.

Lopen posted...

Less substantive is entirely the point. If it was more substantive there would be more to discuss.

SEP's objective in posting is to boil down an argument into something he can win, even if it's an utter bastardization of what's important in the original point.

ok but Maria's initial post of "no we don't" was also pithy and substance-less and so an equally pithy response is fine actually

what is happening here is the classic internet move of reading into things too much (read: making shit up) and arguments spinning wildly out of control based on making up a guy

as someone who is looking though this topic and having the same reaction as ChaosTony, SEP's initial post of "you don't speak for everybody" is both a reasonable point and is basically a less substantive version of the same arguments GMUN, Tom, and SeabassDebeste are laying out in greater detail.

b8 just has this curse on it that turns normal discussions into semantic arguments and personal grievances. (actually this is not even specific to b8, this is just Forum Posting)

if you have ever watched a MCU multiverse movie, you should be legally required to see this one

Team Rocket Elite posted...

There could be a snowball effect going on here. Like if a company makes international news for being a crummy place for women to work, that's going to have a negative effect on the number of women that even apply to begin with. In particular, skilled workers that have their pick of jobs will take their skills elsewhere because they don't want to work for Activision Blizzard specifically.

Absolutely! And if the work culture is bad enough to begin with there's probably diverse perspectives present that aren't even being listened to.

I can think of some ways to solve a lot of these issues while also making Blizzard more attractive in the job market, such as improving working conditions and benefits, changing the office culture to be more inclusive, and allowing the employees to unionize.

I am skeptical an analytical tool is more useful for creating diversity than, say, hiring a diverse range of creators and staff, if that's your goal. But that sure sounds harder than...whatever this is.

This is probably my simplest and most generous take.

Haru at C tier is too low

Also if you aren't including Strikers then it's not definitive, is it?

meanwhile in Israel, the IDF intentionally killed a journalist the other day and then attacked her funeral

https://twitter.com/EmirNader/status/1525071210589077504?t=mtrSroCqgIeRhKgHdZnq4w&s=19

Insane shit

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Oh, interesting. Because I know I've tried to play games on a different account on my system and have been denied access because it didn't have PS+.

You might have to set it as your "main" console for that ps+ account.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I've offered to make him an account but because it won't have PS+ he won't have access to online in the majority of games he plays so he says it isn't worth it for just offline games.

Uh I'm pretty sure that you only need one PS+ membership per console for all profiles to use online multiplayer. Though I'm not totally sure, that's how Elden Ring was.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Unfortunately its the way of the household. Four saves for four people. He had to delete if he wanted to start anew.

Ok well this is a bad rule that probably leads to more completionist urges if he's boxed in to one file. Why not give up one of yours or use another profile (assuming you're sharing a Switch)? I guess I don't understand the point of the rule in the first place.

Also you can just keep playing after the final boss, I don't get it. There's achievements that require additional runs but as a parent it's your duty to stop him before the completionism progresses that far.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

They defended the George Floyd protests because the rich weren't inconvenienced.

I don't think you were actually paying attention because it was the exact same response. "Protesting is okay unless you cross some arbitrary line of civility that would actually make it effective, then it's bad"

CassandraCain posted...

Yeah and aside from that the only thing I remember is the Pocahontas story practically beat for beat.

This is like 80-90% of the story so honestly I'm kind of with LMS on this one. It isn't that the story is memorable, it's that there is not much you need to remember in the first place.