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foolm0r0n posted...

KJH posted...

...So, a child soldier getting a nickname is more credit than a man who's 2 years older than Big Boss and chosen as his personal field medic, recruited into MSF, and was regarded as one of their best?

Yes by far. Because all the story and gameplay of MGS2 gave Raiden "psychopath killer" credit. It's a ridiculous backstory, but there's no other way to explain Raiden and why you are playing him.

In V, there are literally dozens of S+ soldiers that you can collect and play as. They are all worthy to be Big Boss according to MGSV, but why weren't they? No reason. V was just the lucky one picked out.

I mean the easiest way to explain Raiden is the VR. The whole point was memes and scenes > genes, they imprinted a lot on him. Venom being the best in MSF is definitely a lot more impressive than Raiden being the best of a bunch of Liberian child soldiers. Venom's equivalent of VR is all the memory imprinting stuff he goes through.

Even MGS4 says Big Boss was basically for use as propaganda, which fits into MGS3 with how The Boss was meant to take the fall and MGSV with all that other stuff about the other MSF survivors spreading his legend and Venom himself furthering the legend and not Big Boss. Plenty of people could've been as good as him.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

KamikazePotato posted...

KJH posted...

It's like how Raiden was a nobody that got made into an equal to Solid Snake

Raiden was previously a child soldier who killed enough dudes to get a nickname as scary as 'Jack the Ripper'. That was a lot more plausible (well, Metal Gear style plausible) than being a random medic.

...So, a child soldier getting a nickname is more credit than a man who's 2 years older than Big Boss and chosen as his personal field medic, recruited into MSF, and was regarded as one of their best?
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

I liked the Venom twist, because I always thought Portable Ops/Peacewalker/MGS4 went way too hard on making Big Boss into this tragic hero, even though he's a flat out lunatic in MG2.

Like we'd already seen his legend wasn't entirely of his own making given The Boss threw the fight against him, early on in MGSV we're told that his surviving MSF soldiers spread word about him and helped make him a legend while he was in a coma, and then it turns out the majority of BB's legend is actually just his best soldier acting out an idealized version of BB better than BB himself probably could've done. It's like how Raiden was a nobody that got made into an equal to Solid Snake. That, and using Venom like that (especially given how he felt about what they did to The Boss) is a better fit for sliding into how he is in MG2 than killing child soldiers would've been.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

Ass yaoi in high demand.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

It says that he used to be a plumber.

It's not like he has been a plumber for ages. He's a SUPER STAR.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

The first one is pretty good still, though they do have a movie trilogy version of it if you're really pressed for time. I'd recommend doing one or the other first, because there's a lot of other ones that take place in the same universe and the same time or shortly after the first Gundam series, and it's cool to have context for all the stuff happening.

Two that haven't been mentioned that happen during the middle of the first Gundam series and I really like are:

Gundam 0080: War in the Pocket (6 episodes) - Way less focus on the mechs, way more on how a neutral space colony is responding to a galactic war.

Gundam Thunderbolt (4 episodes) - Integrates music super well, lots of action, gives a lot of focus to both sides of the war in a fairly isolated skirmish.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

Found out one of my friends got displaced by the hurricane. His car got submerged and his house got flooded, wasn't even able to take along any personal belongings.

https://twitter.com/yodooder/status/903592782954205184
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

ninkendo posted...

I hope Gundam versus is good I haven't really been following it though

Beta's up from 9/2 to 9/4! Can pre-load already. Check it out, I played the Japanese beta a ton and that game's great.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

Gundam Versus for sure.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

I mean, Marth's games + Fates + Awakening is a huge portion of the series. 6 of 15 games. They're probably the most popular bunch all things considered, so including either games means either dipping into what's probably going to be DLC/sequel/expansion roster, or cutting characters from those games so that there's just token lords from each game instead of getting a pegasus knight/wyevern rider/mage knight/archer, or really weird exclusions in general.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

Godwin's law.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

Absolutely 0% chance. Yakuza Zero, Nioh, BotW, Nier Automata, Persona 5, Splatoon 2, Sonic Mania, Gundam Versus, Mario Odyssey.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

Something important to bring up: Sonic Mania confirms that Oil Ocean IS flammable.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

Clearly not the best Sonic song, but one of my favorites. Makes me laugh every time.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

Lopen posted...

Mac's nothing without his scrappy underdog cred.

He has an entire game mode of Title Defenses against people he's already beaten while being the world champion!
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

I mean honestly, both Sol and Potemkin aren't exactly good for mercs because both consistently fight with limiters on for literally no reason.

Put in life/death situations, it'd make more sense for them to remove them, but they only sometimes do and sometimes not all the way or the entire time?

Just put Bedman in, strongest most cutscene-heavy fighter in the series. He'd appreciate the walls of text.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

Those seem like weird semantics. I'd personally say if you're dodging attacks aimed at you (because that's what she would be doing, she's not going to just sit there and take attacks in pretty much any circumstance), you're still being attacked even if you're not being hit.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

Dizzy solos.

Like, literally, she could. Even though she clearly doesn't have to with Damus, Raiden, and Lightning around.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

All of them are great. 3 > 1 > 2.

Hope we get a real 4, sidescroller doesn't do it for me.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

Spencer's clearly in because he and Strider go well with Captain America. The ultimate anti-nazi, anti-communism trio.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

Ryu3 is a genetic freak with +105% pythons.

It spells disaster for you.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

Team W100.

That's a lot of arwings they don't even need. Just hop out of them and Unite Hand to make themselves immune to fire (if the arwings are somehow exploding), and they can also Unite Sword to nullify Ryu3's electric breath attack. It's pretty easy to do either given all they need is 10 people left of their 100 to manage either one.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

Meanwhile on the same day: Future Trunks, Geese, Skullomania, Anime Fighting Crossover
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

Team Dizzy

Lightning > Caius already, and then there's Kuja, Grigori, Dizzy, and Dark Samus to deal with the other two pretty easy.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

I doubt Shulk or his allies disintegrate given Monado Shield, along with the fact that he probably doesn't keep the aura up if Shulk purges it.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

I mean there's like 4 posts explaining things on him already.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

Most people are interpreting "knows all of their abilities" in this case as in what you'd refer to as the abilities a character can do in combat (like Chrom's Aether), since it talks about their fighting style, abilities, equipment, and weaknesses. It's a catch-all for things a character can do like moves, since otherwise he'd not know about things his target can actually do. Knowing the mercs-term abilities instead of knowing what special moves his opponent can do is just silly, because that's useless in 99% of the cases and is just weird meta knowledge that leaders already know anyway, or effects are already in place, or rules make it clear that everyone knows conditions have changed from abilities.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

I don't think Star Dragon Sword is particularly noteworthy against Dracula. Dracula's not Neclord, and Neclord is definitely not up to par with Dracula.

Dracula completely no-sold Shanoa (to the point he doesn't even bother transforming against her), who has more than a handful of powerful holy spells. Something like Sanctuary in PoR also does nothing against Dracula, despite curing vampirism in three different plot cases, so that's another case where a powerful holy plot item that disables vampirism can't do anything to Dracula despite affecting other vampires.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

Shulk because Shulk+Dante+Shadow Mewtwo+Flynn should be enough magical stuff + buffs + people.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

Elma (but really, W100 and Fox are pretty good too)
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

Raziel's also very good at TK (it's generally more of his thing than Kain's even). Stealth combined with TK and general speed and power is pretty good for getting a kill in on one of his lives.

So yeah, Team Raziel too. The idea of Chrom using a lance against Geralt for weapon advantage is funny too, since it's not only Fire Emblem logic, but Witcher logic too: (book spoilers) Geralt dies to a peasant stabbing him with a pitchfork)
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

Team Bass.

BUFFS and TEAMWORK. Like you could remove Liquid, Yu, and Kirby and it'd still be fairly favorable for this team.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

Yeah, Chrom risked Robin getting possessed by a dragon god along with himself getting stabbed through the chest with a lightning bolt for one of Robin's plans before. Or leading his entire army into a volcano on Robin's suggestions. Or abandoning half his fleet of ships and setting fire to them to use as flaming battering rams against another fleet.

He likes having a tactician to follow.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

Chrom's willing to follow a strategy of an ally, especially if he knows Raziel will revive. Might be a bit more aggressive on Raziel's second life, but he's still fairly pragmatic (to the point of being a warmongerer in the alt timeline if not for Lucina's influence).
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

Jack Baker, for sure.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

No Cielo AND no Spencer, what a waste.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

3 is a James Bond movie plot with very enjoyable, charming characters.

Really different from how 2 is weird and postmodern.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

Since when? Like when has Potemkin fallen short in a fight. Canonically all he's done pretty much is impress Zepp, win his independence, and be the head fighter of a military coup of the strongest, most advanced nation around in the GG world. Every organization and win quote by others as well as his role in any story puts his strength over like crazy (even Ky thinks he'd lose against him).
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

Since when did Potemkin fight even with Bridget? Like that sounds about as canon as Jam legit beating Justice in Guilty Gear 1's tournament because she can do it in her arcade story.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

Bubbly clouds would have been so much worse for this! There's actual platforms, difference in height, ways to run away. The only option Megaman has once Potemkin's in against him here is just stand in front of Potemkin and get beaten to death against a wall, or try to jump over him, and he's not exactly an air-dasher like X is. Potemkin would likely yank him right out of the air with Heat Knuckle (his anti-air grab where he just crushes the opponent in his hand while firing his gauntlets' explosions at them point blank).
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

Potemkin.

Pretty easily. The terrain's not that big, has doors in the way too. If anyone's going to be capable of breaching safely, it's Potemkin with his sheer bulk and Aegis Reflector. It'd be a death sentence if Megaman tries to open the doors up himself and is met with Potemkin in his face, so he pretty much has to sit back. Course, Potemkin's not dumb (he's a pretty high ranking military leader) so he shouldn't be opposed to waiting for a tactical advantage either, so it's pretty much a guaranteed win if he outwaits Megaman/Geese, but still a likely win if they attack too.

If they attack, the terrain is effectively one Megaman boss room big, with it being just a featureless room. There's no escape for Megaman there, and just one barrier thrown out upon entry and Potemkin creates a lot of chaos to capitalize on (covers his entry + their opening salvo getting reflected back at them). Geese is not an effective threat against Potemkin at all, and Booker/Kirby can lay down their own suppressing fire too. Second life on Megaman's not too big a difference because he'll be reviving pretty much within arm's reach of Potemkin, and there's just not a lot he can do if he's being grappled and torn apart. This stage is just really bad for Megaman.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

I think you're really overrating the Mega Men. Like it feels like you're saying there's better just because they're better, but we've seen tons of instances of these characters being challenged by the kind of opposition any of their opponents here could put up. Like hell, Zero has better raw stats than X does, and we know canonically he can be taken down by this:

https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/megaman/images/9/9c/Mmx3mosquitus.PNG/revision/latest?cb=20100810033947

Or how most of Megaman's opposition are repurposed construction-bots and you get things like Protoman getting chopped in half by a regular axe.

Or .EXE needing to sacrifice part of his soul to stand a chance against Shademan.EXE.

You're really downplaying that these guys have no magic resistance to speak of against Link/Yu, Kirby's physically more capable than a robot master (especially with doubled stats, and also especially given his showings against more impressive robots and eldritch horrors himself), or that Duke's guns are way more output than they're usually dealing with.

Also if anyone's going to survive a while, I think it's going to be Liquid with a Link's body that can infinitely self-heal, auto-revives, takes like 1/32 damage from any attack, has quadruple the health already, and has a mirror shield/reflect spell. Like that's already Liquid's thing, and Link's physical body's well beyond Liquid's usual.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

There just seems to be something weird about using the assumption that .EXE will fight like a super optimized human does against optional super bosses. Like yeah, the best way to fight Bass is to basically not let him play the game... but realistically, I don't ever imagine that's how .EXE canonically fights. Same way Cielo's real fighting style isn't putting himself to sleep in order to dodge everything like what he does in the DDS1 Demifiend fight.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

Base Link is also endgame OoT Link, which means he halves damage already from one of the Great Fairy upgrades. He also has Golden Gauntlets, so his physical strength is ridiculous (puts Gutsman to shame). He also has the Mirror Shield, which seems pretty great against all these energy attacks, on top of the Reflect spell from Zelda 2, and also has a fairy that will auto-revive him on death.

There's also some other weird magic in Zelda 2, like the Fairy spell, which would let Link fly in a pretty inconspicuous, tiny form that can still freely cast magic I'm pretty sure. And just general utility like Fire (adds flame projectiles to every sword swing) and Jump (big jumps for more mobility). Or Bunny Hood mask for doubling speed.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

Link.

Infinitely spamming Thunder is nuts against a team of robots like this, he's probably even able to do this as Fierce Deity. Also Bass is ridiculous, and those Rikku buffs are still disgusting.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

Best announcement. Freddy rules and Lissa as a war cleric rules.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

But they weren't facing the forces of darkness in that time before being exiled since Drac was not active. And Leon was a known crusader for the church, fighting wars. If humans were going to fear them for being superhuman and no longer did the instant they start fighting monsters, pretty clear they're scary on their own power!

I don't think any physical parameters of the Belmonts are ever challenged as anything less than the top of Castlevania humans.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

KanzarisKelshen posted...

More importantly that whip is blessed to be super hurtful to the servants of Dracula. That's kinda why it's always been hard to respect the Belmonts as much as Shanoa, Soma and Alucard. It's like respecting FF white mages as combat beasts just because Raise oneshots undead. Countermatchups are a real thing.

The Belmonts were expelled from Transylvania even before fighting Dracula because of the fear of their superhuman powers (Castlevania 3's story with Trevor). Either the Vampire Killer's power in the hands of a Belmont is fairly universal, or the Belmonts even before they had any feats under their belt displayed powers that terrified humans.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

Stranger.

Really easily. Feel like people are downplaying how he can pretty much rapid-teleport to get around, has a good plasma gun, basically has a plasma sword, is an inhuman tank that can survive some pretty brutal attacks (like, with unique animations and everything, and they aren't afraid to make one-hit-kill attacks either), referenced as needing an entire army to take him down, and has fantastic reflexes (deflecting bullets and parrying attacks constantly). Most of his bosses are a bigger deal than anyone in the gauntlet here, the closest to a threat are the XCOM MECs, but he would absolutely dance circles around them.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.

That is so gameplay mechanics.
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You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that.