Board 8 > Is punching a Nazi as bad as being a Nazi?

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I did watch that documentary. Those people are complete losers, dude. Modern nazis are basically neckbeard methheads who think swastikas are cool. The driver in Charlottesville was a schizo who was discharged from the army after 4 months. These are just losers calling themselves nazis for kicks. They're as much nazis as I am a professional athlete.

Them being losers doesn't make them non-dangerous. The driver being a loser didn't stop him from killing Heather Heyer and injuring 19 others.
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Oh and good job to Antifa today for being dumb enough to throw bags of poop and urine at police while doing the typical oink oink bang bang chant. If you want to know what actual domestic terrorism looks like, go on twitter, run a search on "Boston", and watch some videos.

An elderly woman was beaten up for the crime of carrying an American flag.

LordoftheMorons posted...

Them being losers doesn't make them non-dangerous. The driver being a loser didn't stop him from killing Heather Heyer and injuring 19 others.

Antifa and BLM has injured and killed far more people over the last 2 years, but people like you think that this never happened because your holy liberal news outlets don't report on it.

yeah, and a lot of people don't get that a lot of murders happened under communist governments because the government existed solely because of a military uprising not some kind of democratic process. however democratic nations like the US literally commit genocide against the native people, hold other races as property, are imperialist and fund terrorism and rebellion around the globe and use colonialism to steal resources and enrich themselves but aren't considered murderous or evil. to quote castro in 1991, “They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America?”

It's sorta like how people think communism fails because communist countries are badly run due to the ideology itself, despite the fact those countries are generally poor to begin with and all live under heavy sanctions and being blocked from trade by the international community and constantly undermined by the threats of the CIA/FBI/foreign backed uprisings if not outright invasions, etc. all despite the fact that soviet union and communist china using a planned economy managed to bring themselves from poor as fuck agrarian economies to world powers that have created massive innovations and developments in science and technology. even a poor socialist island nation like cuba has had massive success in its healthcare industry under a planned economy.

anyway main point is fuck nazis, fuck white supremacists, fuck confederate flag waving dickwads and please punch all of them

I promise to punch one someday while yelling "THIS IS FOR CYCLO"
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Do you say the same whenever La Raza or Black Lives Matter spouts the same supremacy garbage? Every ethnicity has "race power" morons in it.

TheRock1525 posted...

I promise to punch one someday while yelling "THIS IS FOR CYCLO"

punch them in the dick plz

LeonhartFour posted...

I don't know if Vash the Stampede should be the role model we all aspire to be.

Well it certainly isn't Millions Knives
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velocycloraptor posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

I promise to punch one someday while yelling "THIS IS FOR CYCLO"

punch them in the dick plz

What if its a female nazi?
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UltiXX posted...

Oh and good job to Antifa today for being dumb enough to throw bags of poop and urine at police while doing the typical oink oink bang bang chant. If you want to know what actual domestic terrorism looks like, go on twitter, run a search on "Boston", and watch some videos.

An elderly woman was beaten up for the crime of carrying an American flag.

The Boston Police Commisioner congratulated the protesters on being exceedingly peaceful compared to how many there were?

The few bad apples happen at literally every protest ever.


And holy shit "they're not really Nazis".

They are literally calling themselves Nazis, but you're giving them the benefit of the doubt, yet anyone to the left is automatically guilty?

Absolutely disgusting and disgraceful. You should be embarrassed.
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UltiXX posted...

An elderly woman was beaten up for the crime of carrying an American flag.

And you all who keep bringing this up know it's literally on video right?

You can see plain as day, one asshole trying to steal her flag, she gets dragged along with it, and then all the other protesters around her help her / go after the guy.
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man people sure do love sticking up for nazis

or white supremacists or whatever name you're calling racists to make them seem like not nazis
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If you see some scrawny kid going around calling himself a Nazi, don't punch him. That's what a backhand slap is for!
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UltiXX posted...

I find it hard to believe there are actual nazis running around. Call me naive. A moron like Richard Spencer calling himself a nazi means little. It's not like he himself was gassing people, and he just does it to be a jackass and troll people. What's actually going on is the Saul Alinsky tactic of labeling one's opposition. The left's entire platform is "everyone I don't like is literally Hitler", which is laughably stupid and very intellectually dishonest.

You've a little more than naive, and that's coming from me.

If you're calling yourself a Nazi, marching alongside Nazis, saying things that Nazis typically say, and waving the Nazi flag guess what? You're a Nazi. There's no "just kidding bro" in this case.

Actually killing people isn't a requirement for being a Nazi.

Also it's funny you claim the left of being "intellectually dishonest" when you try to attribute the left's "entire platform" over random internet users misusing the term "Nazi", as if you're remotely interested in having a serious discussion when it comes to politics. >_>

Please keep making excuses and exceptions for people who call themselves Nazis. "He's just trolling", that's a shit excuse that can be used for anything.

If you're intellectually lazy.
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Theo72 posted...

man people sure do love sticking up for nazis

or white supremacists or whatever name you're calling racists to make them seem like not nazis

Not_an_Owl posted...

http://www.stonekettle.com/2017/08/no-mans-land.html

tl;dr for a certain type of conservative mind, supporting white supremacists is literally the only option because liberals oppose them.

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"real nazis aren't losers" - ultimaterializerx
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You have zero right as a US citizen to punch someone not in self-defense and not have to deal with the consequences.

If you choose to, then you can have solace in knowing you are now effectively a criminal, and they are just a morally bad person who is otherwise a law-abiding citizen.

You can then debate which is worse then.

Just as that Nazi has zero right to harm or hurt you. You have no right to the same. And, if a Nazi does harm or hurt you, then they should also be dealt with according to the law.


As Americans it is important to be smarter than those who are morally bad. Vigilance is important but not vigilanteeism. Be aware of those who could do crime. Look out for it. And report it when you see it.

Do not take matters into your own hands.

Hell, if you go and attack a Nazi on the street, you are opening up a path for them to shoot or beat you in self-defense. Why give that opening?
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Actually killing people isn't a requirement for being a Nazi.

And yet, your justification for punching Nazis is "they kill people."

Can't have it both ways.
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Corrik posted...

You can then debate which is worse then.

You can't, because it's obviously the nazis. Who else could be worse?
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Vlado posted...

There will always be the odd 5 people in a crowd of 500 who carry a swastika.

Everyone knows where I stand, I just wanted to nab this incredible quote
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Who else could be worse?

Communists. By an order of magnitude.
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SmartMuffin posted...

Who else could be worse?

Communists. By an order of magnitude.

what
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes

educate yourself
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didn't you post an article in the freedom topic the other day that argued that there's little difference between nazis and communists?
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Skyridge87 posted...

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You keep saying intolerant as if it is an exclusive trait only nazis have.
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It's pretty much an exclusive trait only Nazis are marching about

EDIT: In the US I mean. I'm sure ISIS and others have their public rallies in other countries.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

didn't you post an article in the freedom topic the other day that argued that there's little difference between nazis and communists?

ideologically yes

but when it comes to practical results, its not even close
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Communism as envisioned by Marx has a lot of very questionable beliefs associated with it, but they aren't integral to the ideology itself. You can found an essentially Communist system with democratic principles while scrapping shit like dialectic materialism, but you can't dissociate Nazism from its hatefulness. And even if you could, fascism is inherently anti-democratic.

SmartMuffin posted...

Actually killing people isn't a requirement for being a Nazi.

And yet, your justification for punching Nazis is "they kill people."

Can't have it both ways.

No, the justification for the punching Nazis is that "they are actively working to kill people", whether personally or by advocacy.
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Skyridge87 posted...

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Popper rocks. He's got the best interpretation of the scientific method.
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No, the justification for the punching Nazis is that "they are actively working to kill people"

Can you provide evidence for this?

How do you know that Richard Spencer is actively working to kill people? I've never seen anyone make that claim literally.
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SmartMuffin posted...

No, the justification for the punching Nazis is that "they are actively working to kill people"

Can you provide evidence for this?

How do you know that Richard Spencer is actively working to kill people? I've never seen anyone make that claim literally.

If the Nazis get what they want (the country to follow Nazi ideology), people will die en masse as a direct result. Not incidentally, as a change in healthcare or a war or how pretty much any policy will indirectly lead to some deaths, but purposefully, in the fulfillment of their goals.
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richard spencer isn't a nazi.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

richard spencer isn't a nazi.

Yeah, I decided to ignore that part of his post.
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Godwin's law.
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If the Nazis get what they want (the country to follow Nazi ideology), people will die en masse as a direct result.

This is also true of Communists. Except 10x more people die.
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SmartMuffin posted...

If the Nazis get what they want (the country to follow Nazi ideology), people will die en masse as a direct result.

This is also true of Communists. Except 10x more people die.

Jesus fucking Christ.
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There aren't enough people on Earth for that to pan out.
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SmartMuffin posted...

Like, is there a certain group of people you WOULDN'T punch if they were actively hurting others?

Children?
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Like maybe under 6 years old, but 10 year olds can totally get punched
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Yeah if you see a child Nazi, don't punch them, but call Child Services
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When is it okay to punch a Nazi?

When it's the actual Nazi regime and we're at war with them.
That period of History is long gone.

If you want to beat up Nazis, go play World of Tanks or Call of Duty. Go kill all the Nazis you like.

Because it's over.

A fool with a Tiki Torch in the streets utilizing his first amendment rights is not acceptable to be punched, REGARDLESS of his message. He has his RIGHT to say whatever the fuck he wants. And a right to not be punched, since Assault is a CRIME.

And if you say instigation: Does someone have a gun pointed at someone's head this exact moment that his words can affect and cause the murder there of? If that's a no, it's not instigation [as decided by Brandenburg vs Ohio, 1969 and re-affirmed in another case in 1983].


Skyridge87 posted...

No, it's showing them that their beliefs and ideologies will be met with violence if they continue, just as they were in WW2.

You have Zero Grasp on why WW2 was fought.
Absolutely none.

Hint: It had absolutely NOTHING to do with "their beliefs and ideologies". It was aggression. It was fought only because Hitler started invading places. It would never have happened if the Nazis simply had their way in Germany and stayed there.

And America in particular didn't give a flying fuck [Aid for Britain, an arms trade deal, not commitment to a war effort, FAILED miserably in November 1941] either-- only getting involved beyond trade negotiations when Japan attacked [and going after the Nazis was only an effort to bail Britain out so that they could be coerced to commit to fighting... Japan.]
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And America in particular didn't give a flying fuck [Aid for Britain, an arms trade deal, not commitment to a war effort, FAILED miserably in November 1941] either-- only getting involved beyond trade negotiations when Japan attacked [and going after the Nazis was only an effort to bail Britain out so that they could be coerced to commit to fighting... Japan.]

And yeah, this. We didn't GAF about Nazis or their aggression in Europe. We declared war on Japan because Pearl Harbor, and then Germany declared war on us because their treaty with Japan required it.
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Airship_Canon posted...

It had absolutely NOTHING to do with "their beliefs and ideologies".

I think at some point people would want to stop genocide, even if the "real" reason was aggression. But also Nazism was kind of based on its spread, so aggression was tied into it from the start. Kinda like ISIS today.
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Is being intolerant of other people worse than being intolerant of other people?
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pjbasis posted...

Airship_Canon posted...

It had absolutely NOTHING to do with "their beliefs and ideologies".

I think at some point people would want to stop genocide, even if the "real" reason was aggression. But also Nazism was kind of based on its spread, so aggression was tied into it from the start. Kinda like ISIS today.

The US didn't do shit to stop the Holocaust, and Hitler wasn't invading places in order to cleanse them.
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Airship_Canon posted...

And a right to not be punched, since Assault is a CRIME.

The most satisfying of crimes
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"the right not to be punched" isn't a thing
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SmartMuffin posted...

ideologically yes

but when it comes to practical results, its not even close

20 mil isn't close to 100 mil?

I would put them on the same order of magnitude. I guess you could argue about whether nazis or communists are worse, but that's totally moot since the only argument is whether nazis are bad or not.

It's about whether to defend and support and identify with nazis. "They only killed 1/5th as much as communists" is NOT a reason to support anything. Especially if it's just because you're lonely and bored. It's a reason to absolutely reject everything about them, with violence if necessary (but only if necessary, which is what people keep missing from that Karl Popper quote).
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