Lurker > HanOfTheNekos

I'd rather Town win, thanks.

I think most people wanted to see responses from Leo, but if he's telling the truth, of course waiting on other people to respond through Leo would take some time.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

Wow this sure went nowhere while I was rock climbing.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

htaeD posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

htaeD posted...

why is anyone saying Shad was going to be lynched day3 again?

Why wouldn't he?

I asked first

I actually forgot he claimed Roleblocker.

Let me think on that one.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

Leo3L posted...

Feel free to ask FFD, Stan or Boko some random personal question. I don't socialize with any one outside of mafia.

ok

what's crimson flame?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

htaeD posted...

why is anyone saying Shad was going to be lynched day3 again?

Why wouldn't he?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

Vengeful_KBM posted...

Han you have seemed really irritable this whole game, don't deny it.

You may be on to something with Leo, though; Chris being the one who corroborated his role looks pretty bad.

We can be irritable buddies.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

Chris asked for FFD's favorite memory of mafia with him, and Chris agreed that only FFD could give the answer. That's the only one I remembered anyway.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

How much information has Leo actually given this game from his Mason Buddies?

He gave a short parrot of things FFD said, and the only corroboration that happened from that was from Chris.

Stan's scan was on a dead person and sealed the lynch for Shad, who was probably going to be lynched D3 anyway.

Boko's actions are the most obvious action N1 and the most useless action N2.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

Nanahara715 posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I know it's a really stupid role, but is there any history on B8 of Death Millers or Death Godfathers?

Is the insinuation here that "Dowolf might have been scum"?

FFD, but for that role to actually exist would just be dumb.

Leo3L posted...

Have all your posts that look really annoyed actually been excitement all this time? Or just that one?

So fearful sounding
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

Leo3L posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

htaeD posted...

wait what kinda crazy Leos did I miss now?

He claimed an unkillable role that makes all other Town Power unkillable.

So bitter sounding

The bitterness you're making up is actually incredulity and excitement.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

I know it's a really stupid role, but is there any history on B8 of Death Millers or Death Godfathers?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

htaeD posted...

and what were Boko's actions?

where did he start to get called out about his 'lies'?

Saved Stan/puns N1, saved Shad N2.

If Boko actually targeted a Town member who Scum shot at N2, then saying he targeted Shad is literally the least informative action.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

htaeD posted...

wait what kinda crazy Leos did I miss now?

He claimed an unkillable role that makes all other Town Power unkillable.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

My Immortal posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

What if I think Leo is a LIAR

I'd ask for elaborations because my gut says you're right but my head says your wrong.

The beginning of this day just... doesn't add up. Or it adds up too well.


Leo claims to have faked recruiting Stan, which means he faked proof on Shad which was apparently real. But why fake it? I didn't think anybody besides me still thought Shad was Town, and even I knew I wouldn't be able to defend him in a lynch.

Leo made a big hubbub today about how great his and FFD's plan worked. But as others have pointed out, numbers don't care about there being no kill last night.

Additionally Leo came into today "knowing" the Scum shot and the Roleblock, despite us having no proof/claims before.

It just feels like a WHOLE lot of unnecessary fanfare. I can understand the adrenaline rush of "haha, I faked a claim but the guy was Scum so we got him", but to keep it going to the start of today, as well as not even giving a passing glance to any other option than "Scum shot bp". Leo was so incredibly sure that it just reads as if he knew the Scum's actions exactly.

Nobody questioned Leo for proof that Stan was recruited, and if not, and maybe fear of this made Leo preliminarily claim that it was false?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

tabiicat42 posted...

Are there restrictions on race and class and all that for your campaign, Han?

not really, but a little write-up of the continent or questions about particular races/classes might help solidify how the character would fit into the world.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

What if I think Leo is a LIAR
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

Vengeful_KBM posted...

Can you paint a clear picture of what it would require for JZ to be Scum at this point?

I did say he was "almost certainly town" and that that theory was "insane"; I don't know why you want me to work this conspiracy out right now. We have much better things to spend our time on than appeasing on paranoid piece of the back of my mind.HanOfTheNekos posted...

Alternative answer: no, I can't, but that doesn't mean it's not possible.

You're being incredibly defensive about this.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

Vengeful_KBM posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

The convoluted schemes necessary to put Jeff as Scum also rely on them trusting on Jeff to be the crux of it.

I mean Jeff is a smart guy who I would trust to follow Chris Instructions (which are very detailed and clear, as I can attest). I tend to agree that he's probably telling the truth but this doesn't mean anything.

Can you paint a clear picture of what it would require for JZ to be Scum at this point?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

The convoluted schemes necessary to put Jeff as Scum also rely on them trusting on Jeff to be the crux of it.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

Jeff is confirmed as far as I'm concerned.

I don't think it makes sense for Death to be lying, and I've felt good about MI all game. Looking back over day 2 lynch, it seemed like Chris really wanted VI dead so I feel good about VI at the moment. I don't feel good about puns, but being flat out wrong about Shad makes me think I was flat out wrong about puns.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

Gizmoduck
Scrooge McDuck
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

red13n posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Red are you going to claim?

When I feel like it.

Pleeeeeeeease
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

Red are you going to claim?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

I want a red claim.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

Oh, I wasn't questioning Shad. I was just telling him off.
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bng_mmmk posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

As Chris (ha) says, the second-to-last person on a Town lynch is usually Scum.

This statistic is made up and so dumb it hurts. It only exists as a means of scum pushing a narrative. (Source: Chris was Scum.)

Who are you lynching today? You posted two lists of three with zero overlap.

I posted a third list, and it's this lack of reading that makes me want to still lynch you.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

htaeD posted...

hey han
youll find a posts of mine that has questions for you
can you look at it?

I do not see questions directed specifically at me, but I haven't looked very far back.


If it's about the Shad stuff, I've liked Shad from the beginning because it seemed like we were always on the same page, and in my experience that usually means someone is Town. He never looked great but I don't recall Shad ever being a particularly active player, so I just went with gut and gunned for puns.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

VeryInsane posted...

I was kinda humoring the idea of ursurper for some weird reason and if Shad was super paranoid it makes sense

Euron did ursurp the Greyjoys, after all

That idea seems kinda insane.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

htaeD posted...

hey han
youll find a posts of mine that has questions for you
can you look at it?

From this day?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

Death notably was on dowolf earlier in the day but absent from either lynch by end of day 2.

As Chris (ha) says, the second-to-last person on a Town lynch is usually Scum.

puns for day 1 and KBM for day 2.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

"I... I think I'm alright. In fact, I'm more than fine... I feel strangely free, in this moment."

Larrington tries to pay heed to the shadow, but as soon as he affirms his condition, the shadow has left.

"... Thank you."

Larrington catches up with the party. He decides to explore passage U.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

If MI is Town, then the unknown-ness of his powers should be worrying to Scum, but less so if Death and Leo are both Town.


JZ is confirmed Town as far as I'm concerned. I thought of another scenario in which it could be explained (Scare as protector actually being a bodyguard type and Chris's shot killing both, and then Scum still have another extra kill after that that they use to 'confirm' JZ) but it's so convoluted and requires Scum shooting Scum so it's really not worth considering.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

bng_mmmk posted...

Mixed feelings about Han supporting my point though.

Wish KBM had offered something more there.

Need sleep.

I was flat out wrong about Shad. It's demoralizing.


dowolf posted...

</3

I still like you, Han...

Sorry dowolf :(


We still have a very good day 1 lynch to observe (as well as a good day 2 lynch to parse through). Taking a look back through my notes of day 1 lynch here.

Red - Was on FFD the whole time. Felt genuine, and Chris made it pretty well-known that this was Town Red. Tunneled the whole day then tried to act like I wasn't being active when I went for twice as many targets as he did day 1.

Death - When FFD was just a person with one vote, Death chose FFD from a pool of 4. His argument for FFD over puns was that he 'felt more life' from puns which, while true, is basically what FFD ended up being lynched for. An easy reason to lynch somebody that is hard to argue against.

Leo - When FFD was just a person with two votes, Leo put his vote on which made FFD a real lynch. Though red and Death were on FFD before, Leo set the ball in motion that led to his death. Leo later unvoted FFD (why?) to hop on the dowolf train (another confirmed Town), but then ended day by hopping on FFD (protects puns from being lynched?).

KBM - was one of my first suspicions in the first day, particularly for how she hopped on Nana, the 'easy' lynch. KBM actually said she was ninja'd be Leo in voting FFD, but both of them together (soon to be followed by Scare) set FFD up to be end day lynched. KBM also didn't respond when VI said her Scum game was good.

The FFD lynch was really bad, in the sense that people hopping on it didn't have to do any work. They didn't have to fight for it because FFD hadn't been around and participating, so it was a really easy lynch to pull off. Even when FFD showed up, it stayed just as easy because of FFD's attitude.

JZ - looked pretty Scummy for the way he hopped on FFD's train but unless Scum had two shots on Chris, I don't see an explanation for JZ being Scum. Just the typical new player messing with gut.

MI/VI - MI was the one who put up the alternative 3rd lynch on dowolf and was followed by VI, so they both fall under the umbrella of "avoiding the lynch". MI seemed a lot more Townish than VI did day 1 (and 2 for that matter!).

puns - Day 1 lynch would be a lot easier to parse through if puns was dead. Thought puns was Scum but gut hasn't been good this game so idk.

Nana - awkwardly showed up at the end to put a vote on puns, but even admitted it was a useless vote because puns still hadn't switched to FFD yet. My gut felt good about Nana all day 1 because he didn't let newness keep him from going after JZ, but now knowing that JZ is by all means confirmed...



If Hangut is to be trusted:
puns/Leo/KBM

If Hangut is not to be trusted:
Red/Nana/MI


Occulam's says that Death is just being RB-locked. I think Leo is lying and is either Scum or Indy (Scum makes more sense for sneaking in the "/the survivor" into that post, so that he can later claim it if he has Jack/Thief fear). I also don't think that Leo didn't recruit Stan.


In order of preference of lynches:
Nana/Red/KBM
puns/VI
Leo/Death/MI
Han
JZ


It's not a strict order, but I think for sure we have one Scum between Nana and KBM, and I feel really uneasy about Red being on FFD from the beginning. puns/VI lynches reveal a lot and they've both looked awful in their own ways this game.

If Leo is Town and still recruiting, then Scum would be convinced to RB him and shoot Death (if Death is Town). With the flavor split revealed, Thief is dangerous to Scum.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

I don't need a beard. I'm cute, not rugged.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

Leo3L posted...

bng_mmmk posted...

Im having trouble justifying why Scum MI would have claimed when and how he did.

Whether or not the BD is fake, why bother claiming it at all and force himself to claim more useless info too? Claiming power unnecessarily isn't something scum do really.

In fairness it was not useful in anyway for town to claim when we had scum dead in the water either

At this point, if by some chance remaining Town aren't vanilla, having all claims on the floor would be more helpful than not.

And if all remaining claims are vanilla then we're not worse off in any sense.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

I disagree with me being Scum!
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

I wouldn't consider it stronger on one person.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

Doublevoter and protection from RB/BD seems weird to put onto one person.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

I'll have a little compendium of the nations of the continent soon. Just have to decide on a continent name.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

The question would be which you're interested in. Some people might be running one shots (@Anagram ?), Eddv is running one-shots.

Mine plans to be an actual campaign but depending on numbers could work out.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

Vengeful_KBM posted...

I have no problem claiming if that's what people want.

Maybe wait for Nana and/or Red
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

I don't see why a double voter would need immunity to roleblock.

Bus Driver I could see, but... why? That feels like a particular boost to apply to a double voter, of all roles.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

MenuWars posted...

Can anyone play or this like a beardy clique type thing?

Anyone is welcome! The original thought was that we'd have a community of one shots, but it's just been me on 5e and Eddv on PF and now I want to start a campaign.


If enough people want to play in mine and can't make Tuesdays, we can look at other times.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

Leo3L posted...

I can understand the paranoia because of...all of my past scum games, but c'mon did you see what I did to Shad? I haven't had a good town game like that in literally years I think.

You mean what Stan did to Shad?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

Leafeon13N posted...

It would be very interesting if scum didn't have a roleblocker.

Trying to sort how this setup should work i expect nothing beyond a vanilla claim from those two.

Does a Scum backup fill in that void?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

Nanahara715 posted...

Leo3L posted...

A mass claim of three

By the way, MI is probably scum. They shot me and roleblocked Death and left the bus driver tracker Jack alone? That strikes me as wrong. If MI is town, makes more sense to block death or MI, kill the other, then kill and block me/the survivor just in case I can recruit a million zombie masons and learn scan results

Seems bold to claim this when Death hasn't said anything?

MI hasn't claimed anything either.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

You literally said "me/the survivor".

Misinterpreting that is incredibly easy.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

Leo3L posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Leo3L posted...

A mass claim of three

By the way, MI is probably scum. They shot me and roleblocked Death and left the bus driver tracker Jack alone? That strikes me as wrong. If MI is town, makes more sense to block death or MI, kill the other, then kill and block me/the survivor just in case I can recruit a million zombie masons and learn scan results

You're survivor?

Have you not been reading the game

When did you claim that?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." -FAHtastic

Leo3L posted...

A mass claim of three

By the way, MI is probably scum. They shot me and roleblocked Death and left the bus driver tracker Jack alone? That strikes me as wrong. If MI is town, makes more sense to block death or MI, kill the other, then kill and block me/the survivor just in case I can recruit a million zombie masons and learn scan results

You're survivor?
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