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Rogue One.
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Only the Smash Bros ones.
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Star Light followed by Spring Yard.
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Zeus posted...

Well, it's possible he could be racist because we don't know his heart, but he's not the other things.

Of those titles, only "sex offender" is the one you can definitively say he's not (pending resolution of several oustanding legal actions). "White supremacist" and "islamophobe" both also are based on opinion the same way as "racist", so if you're willing to leave open the possibility that Trump is a racist you also have to leave open the possibility of those two as well.
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So, I'm kind of curious now. Are there people who watch The Blues Brothers and get to the scene about the Illinois Nazis and think that the protesters and the Blues Brothers are the bad guys? And the Nazis are meant to be the sympathetic characters?

Because based on the last few days' events, I'm assuming the answer must be yes.
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SmokeMassTree posted...

Deny deny deny

Says the guy who thinks that Nazis aren't Nazis.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

In all honesty, the USA and Canada need their borders redrawn into several new countries

Wait, why are we dragging Canada into this?
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Troll_Police_ posted...

Riots don't incite terror? Threatening free speech with violence doesnt incite terror?

I mean, I know you come from a country that doesn't uphold free speech, but in the civilized world we still hold it sacred.

I'd say deliberately running people over with a car qualifies as terror, especially when those people were simply exercising their own right to free speech.

Wouldn't you agree?
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Troll_Police_ posted...

darkknight109 posted...

I don't know of any domestic terrorist groups who are dedicated to destroying American monuments, although I know several that are dedicated to preserving them.

i guess thats a matter of perspective. personally, i think the side that wants to suppress free speech, destroy US history, and constantly threaten violence and riots are the terrorists, but to each his own.

I agree, but the only groups I can think of that fit that description in its entirety are the ones who come out and defend those monuments (not that all the monument defenders are terrorists, of course, but the terrorists who fit that description are monument defenders).
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I don't know of any domestic terrorist groups who are dedicated to destroying American monuments, although I know several that are dedicated to preserving them.

Ban statues, I guess?
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SmokeMassTree posted...

The people (on both sides) at Charlottesville were bad.

Nope!

SmokeMassTree posted...

They weren't nazis

Yes, they were.

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/article_small/public/thumbnails/image/2017/08/15/09/nazicap2.jpg
http://a.abcnews.com/images/International/nazi-flag-charlottesville-protest-rd-mem-170814_12x5_992.jpg
https://i.redd.it/t7fbr1kj0cfz.jpg

Pictured: Nazis.
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SmokeMassTree posted...

Uhh no?

They were literally chanting it, everywhere.

Nope!

SmokeMassTree posted...

Plus the group that live streamed the kidnapping and torturing of the mentally disabled person for supporting trump.

Wasn't streamed by BLM. So nope!

SmokeMassTree posted...

As if these random dudes are the authority on nazi Germany

The Nazis at Charlottesville had nothing to do, beyond ideology, with Nazi Germany. I don't know why you're even bringing this up.

SmokeMassTree posted...

This is the fucking cofounder saying she wants to kill white people

Oh, sorry, I didn't realise you were equating sarcastic Twitter comments with genuine death threats. Silly me.

So I guess you're super upset at President Trump right now, right? He just said he wanted to kill 49 innocent Muslims and send a 50th back to warn the others.

SmokeMassTree posted...

She's a black supremacist

Gonna need a better source for this than a Youtube video from some random right-wing vlogger with 27k subs.

SmokeMassTree posted...

"We want dead cops, now"

And this guy is talking about a secret Zionist world war in his comments section. Is this seriously the sort of shit you watch?

His video doesn't even specify who that is that's marching or why. Learn to source better.

SmokeMassTree posted...

Y'all didn't call these people nazis tho

Just cause this group is white they are nazis?

No, it's because they're anti-gay, anti-Jewish, Sieg Heiling, goose-stepping, swastika-bearing, white supremacist assholes. That's what a Nazi is. You find me some BLM members who fit that description, I'll call them Nazis too.
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adjl posted...

Far-Queue posted...

I think there should be another comma after "offender"

Officially, that comma (the "Oxford comma") isn't correct anymore, though I personally disagree with that decision because of the ambiguity it can introduce.

Depends who you ask. Everywhere I know of still accepts the Oxford comma, though it is optional and it's considered fine to leave it off.

I like it for those rare instances where you want to make it clear that the last two items in a list are not meant to be taken as a single unit, though admittedly that's a rare application and the lack of universality in its usage does still leave some ambiguity when it's not used.
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Baardmeester posted...

Don't lie, the communists were wearing soviet flags.

http://www.dailywire.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_full/public/uploads/2017/08/seattle_clashes_protest_antifa_leftists.jpg?itok=aYXcZpaX

Apparently they were... at a completely separate and unrelated protest taking place on a different day nearly 3000 miles away on the other side of the country.

C'mon, dude, it says the city name in the URL you posted and the exact intersection they were at is even visible in the shot. If you're going to rely on unrelated pictures to try and bolster your point, at least try a bit harder than that.

Baardmeester posted...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHDf8W8UIAAuNQ4.jpg

Google-fu failed me on figuring out exactly where and when this picture was taken, but I found it on a couple of right-wing blog posts dated back to at least 2014, so I feel pretty confident in saying it's not from Charlottesville either, in spite of the fact there's a lot of morons using it in a dual-pic with a swastika flag from the Charlottesville protests.
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1) Nope
2) Nope
3) Nope
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SmokeMassTree posted...

I just

Y'all didn't say shit when BLM was blocking highways calling for the heads of police and white people

These people are bad, but you're a bunch of hypocrites.

1) Do you know that? Can you say for sure I didn't say anything?

2) This topic isn't about BLM. Bringing them into the topic as you're doing is an off-topic distraction, pure and simple.

3) Perhaps I simply missed it, but I don't recall ever seeing anyone in authority in BLM wishing death or harm upon police or white people. Maybe you could back up your claim with a source?
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Baardmeester posted...

The thing is that the opposite site are communists who are literally saying "kill whitey". Antifa isn't just different kinds of anti fascists. They are communists and communists have done a lot more killing than any other ideology. If you don't blame the communists you are talking all the murders of Lenin, Stalin, Mao and Pot right.

*sigh*

No, the other side weren't communists. The other side were anti-Nazis, which really should be a synonym for "literally everyone who isn't a racist piece of shit", but for some reason it apparently isn't.

Again, I want to make it 100% clear who you're racing to the defence of and who you're condemning. The guys you're defending were waving Swastikas around, screaming "Jews will not divide us!", doing their best impression of a Nazi book-burning parade with tiki kitsch, and Sieg Heiling their way across the park. Several had signs or shirts revering Hitler. These people are celebrating the ideals of a man whose signature achievement was putting 12 million people into furnaces.

The "other side" was people who thought that first group were assholes. I've showed up to counter-protests against Nazis and I have absolutely zero sympathy for communists. I would have been at Charlottesville if it were anywhere near me.

And this should be abundantly apparent by the sheer breadth of people who are reacting to this. Even some of Congress's most conservative members understand that white supremacists are evil. And it's not hard to figure out why - far right they may be, but hatred isn't a leftist or rightist attribute, it's just a shitty attribute. No one of any political stripe should feel in any way hesitant about condemning hatred and, judging by the sheer number of Republicans - from moderates to ultra-conservatives - who have sounded off about this, few of them do.

And, it bears repeating that only one of those groups killed someone and it wasn't the counter-protesters.

So, again, when a dispute breaks out between guys who want to lynch blacks, burn Jews, and exile everyone who isn't as white as the driven snow and guys who think that's a pretty shitty ideology, those two sides are not morally equivalent.
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Lokarin posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

the Bible stating they were in their current state always.

This is the argument i hear, but where does it say it?

Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verses 20 through 28, describes God creating the creatures of the world, plus humanity, in two days time.

That's usually what's cited by fundamentalists as the defining word. Most Christian denominations don't support a literal reading of Genesis anymore (and some haven't for centuries), but it still sticks around amongst the more anti-scientific of the sects.
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OhhhJa posted...

Right back at ya bud. You wanna use a definition to prove your point and then backpedal once I poke holes in your argument

Except you haven't poked any holes in my argument.

My argument is that Nazis don't have to be the people from WW2. Literally nothing you've said disproves that in any way.

You can keep dancing around it by cherry-picking which parts of my post to respond to, but that doesn't change that I've already made my point and proved it correct.
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Jen0125 posted...

I am very glad that there are Republican congress people speaking out against the white supremacists and I'm not surprised at all they're doing it. What does surprise me is that they president literally won't and took back what he said against the white supremacists the days after the attack itself! It's insanity!

I'm not surprised at all. Donald Trump has a pathological fear of admitting that he's wrong, to the point where he even said during the election when asked about his credentials that he has never participated in confession (since confessing your sins is, by definition, an admission that you did something wrong). On the rare occasions he *has* taken something back, he's done so by denying he ever said it or blaming someone else (see: his stance on the Iraq war, his participation in the Birther conspiracy theory). I cannot think of a single time where Donald Trump has said "I was wrong".

SmokeMassTree posted...

Cucks

Thank you for saying this, because it lets me know exactly how seriously I should take you.
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For those who are still confused about why people are focusing their attacks on the white supremacists (permit and all) versus those who came out to oppose them, I'm going to try to explain the issue using only tweets sent out by political figures. And to avoid the perception that this is the left dog-piling on Trump and his supporters for political gain, I will use only statements from Republicans to do so.

"No, not the same. One side is racist, bigoted, Nazi. The other opposes racism and bigotry. Morally different universes." -Mitt Romney

"Let's get real. There is no moral equivalency to Nazi sympathizers. There can be no room in America — or the Republican party — for racism, anti-Semitism, hate or white nationalism. Period." John Kasich, Governor

"When it comes to white supremacists & neo-nazis, there can be no equivocating: they’re propagators of hate and bigotry. Period." -Thom Tillis, Senator

"We must be clear. White supremacy is repulsive. This bigotry is counter to all this country stands for. There can be no moral ambiguity." -Paul Ryan, House Speaker

"Mr. President, there were not "very fine people" on the NeoNazi, white supremacist side; only haters. Grateful DOJ understands this." -Barbara Comstock, Congresswoman

"This is simple: we must condemn and marginalize white supremacist groups, not encourage and embolden them." -Todd Young, Senator

"Saturday's violence and tragic loss of life was a direct consequence of the hateful rhetoric & action from white supremacists demonstrating." -Kevin McCarthy, House Majority Leader

"I was clear about this bigotry & violence over the weekend and I'll repeat it today: We must defeat white supremacy and all forms of hatred." -Steve Scalise, House Majority Whip

"The organizers of events which inspired & led to [the attack] are 100% to blame for a number of reasons. Mr. President,you can't allow White Supremacists to share only part of blame. They support idea which cost nation & world so much pain" -Marco Rubio, Senator

"Blaming "both sides" for Charlottesville?! No. Back to relativism when dealing with KKK, Nazi sympathizers, white supremacists? Just no." -Illeana Ros-Lehtinen, Congresswoman

"KKK, neo-Nazi, & white supremacist groups spew bigotry & racism. These groups & their ideals are the antithesis of American patriotism." -David Perdue, Senator

"Apologize. Racism, bigotry, anti-Semitism, of any form is unacceptable. And the leader of the free world should be unambiguous about that." -Will Hurd, Congressman

And finally, perhaps my favourite of the bunch:

"I don't understand what's so hard about this. White supremacists and Neo-Nazis are evil and shouldn't be defended." -Steve Stivers, Senator
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Zeus posted...

Besides destroying your basic premise.

How does it destroy my basic premise?

It was used before Spencer coined it. So what? He's the one who applied its modern meaning.

What _______ meant a decade ago is immaterial to this discussion; it's what it means now that is relevant.

Zeus posted...

Various media outlets, including alt news sites.

So no one with much authority on the matter. Gotcha.

Zeus posted...

Which is mostly a definition made up by the media itself to slam them.

It's a definition they made up themselves, dude.

Zeus posted...

But keep being a useful puppet for your corporate overlords.

LOL!

Zeus posted...

Except it didn't "rise to popularity" nor was the term really used in relation to Spencer until maybe 2016

Here's Richard Spencer himself using it in an article posted in 2008:

http://takimag.com/article/the_conservative_write#axzz4JRcIyz7D

Keep trying, bro.
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Zeus posted...

Terrorizing people? Walking around in broad daylight with signs after getting a permit to do so is terrorizing people? Really lowered the bar on that one.

By contrast, back when you had supremacists ACTUALLY terrorizing people, they were committing actual crimes.

Like running into a crowd of people with their car? That sounds pretty terroristy to me.
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OhhhJa posted...

I suppose you shouldn't be trying to prove your points with dictionary definitions then darkknight hmmmm. Don't use a dictionary as some end all be all scenario for your arguments if you don't want it thrown back in your face.

Btw, that piano definition is pretty on point. Sure, you can make your own homemade piano I suppose and in that case I'd say, "sure thats a piano... just a really shitty one."

And yes, you can easily argue that forklifts and ATVs are cars in fact. I wouldn't traditionally call them that... but sure.

Pick a lane.

First you say you don't believe the dictionary, then you defend it and point out that the definitions are accurate (which is what I've been saying the whole time).

Regardless, you never actually disproved any definition. Like I said, Nazis *are* people with extreme racist views. That's simple fact. Or are you disputing that? Because unless you have an argument that says that Nazis don't believe in racism, you haven't really done anything to challenge my points.
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Zeus posted...

Except it's really not.

This, except it totally is.

Zeus posted...

The phrase predates the person who tried to claim it

Which changes nothing.

Zeus posted...

and has been broadly applied across a wide swathe of people.

By who?

Zeus posted...

At the same time, the definition is whatever somebody feels like calling it that week in the news.

The definition is far-right wing supporters who reject "mainstream" conservatism (hence the "alt" in alt-right) and instead support populism, nationalism, and white supremacy, often also supporting isolationism, nativism, homophobia, sexism, and islamophobia.


Delicinq4 posted...

I specifically remember the fresh breath of air into conservatism around late 2015-early 2016 being 'alt-right' yet free of racial undertones.

Then Richard Spencer, who I still suspect was paid tons of money to, announced it a neonazi movement.

Your timeline is off. Spencer claimed the term - and rose it to popularity - in 2010, and even in its earliest incarnations was seen as a far-right movement. By 2015-2016, while it hadn't quite penetrated the public consciousness the way it does today, it was still well-known to be a haven for fascism and white supremacy.
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Zeus posted...

Which is still an improvement from private citizens attacking protestors since at least the lawmen were officially tasked with maintaining order. Compare this to now when LEOs stand idle while hoodlums vandalize things.

All in all I'll take the current state of affairs (where lawbreakers almost invariably get filmed/photographed and eventually tracked down and arrested) to then (where people marching for something as simple as "Maybe we should let blacks have equal rights" had dogs sicced on them and had their skulls literally cracked open with billy clubs.

Oh, and private citizens participated just as much back then - right-wing militias were active participants in subjugating black and/or leftist rallies; the only difference is that instead of the police remaining neutral in those conflicts, they picked whichever side they supported more and joined in the mayhem. If you support the cops keeping order, you should prefer today - where they, at worst, remain out of the fray - to back then, where they *were* one of the groups breaking the law, beating people, and vandalizing property.
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Gotta admit, he had balls going on Colbert's show. I didn't watch the whole interview, but from what I saw he gave a pretty good accounting of himself.
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Zeus posted...

FinalXemnas posted...

It feels like (what I think is) the 60s again.

No, because the 60s had more order. Cops actually stepped in.

And were notorious for beating the shit out of the participants, whether they were actually doing anything illegal or not.

That's not exactly an era you should be pining for.
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Muscles posted...

The 90s were better but now is better than anything pre 60s

Speaking strictly from a "tolerance" perspective, now is way better than the 90s. Gay rights were still considered fringe back then (though gaining momentum) and being gay was still illegal in parts of the US. Gay marriage was still illegal everywhere (Canada would become the first country to legalize it in the early 2000s). And race relations really weren't any better back then - you can look up the Rodney King Riots if you want more proof of that.
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Delicinq4 posted...

Would you prefer the term Antifa? The Alt-right wasnt a thing until someone labelled them that.

Do you know who that "someone" was?

Go ahead and look it up. I'll wait. Afterwards, you'll probably figure out why there is no such thing as an "alt left".

Zeus posted...

And while the alt-left and alt-right aren't "things" in a conventional sense

The alt-right is absolutely a thing. It is a defined group, with defined motives and beliefs. To what extent they were involved in what happened in Charlottesville I have no idea, but to suggest they don't exist is simply wrong.

SmokeMassTree posted...

Mass genocide = mass genocide bro

I understand you think that's true.
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OhhhJa posted...

darkknight109 posted...

Once again, learn how a dictionary works. They're not encyclopedias.

Please enlighten me. I was under the impression that dictionaries listed words in alphabetical and defined their meaning. If you want to list definitions to bolster your argument be prepared for counterpoints as why your definition may give way to some possibilities you didn't consider. Replying with lrn2dictionary is not a proper argument. I think you're just upset that I managed to show you how absurdly open ended that definition is

Dictionaries are not meant to be exhaustive definitions. Again, look at the dictionary definition for apple that I posted above - rose hips would meet that same definition, even though rose hips and apples are clearly different things. Here's some more examples:

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/pencil?s=t
Pencil
3. anything shaped or used like a pencil, as a stick of medicated material;

"So now pens are pencils? Are crayons pencils too?"

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/car?q=Car

​A1 a road vehicle with an engine, four wheels, and seats for a small number of people

"And I guess that means forklifts are cars. So are golf carts. ATVs too, depending on how liberal you are with your definition of "road vehicle". Oh, and who knew you could turn a tandem bike into a car by just adding an engine and training wheels?"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/piano

a musical instrument having steel wire strings that sound when struck by felt-covered hammers operated from a keyboard

"Wait, so I can just attach some hammers to a keyboard, have them hit wires and that's all I have to do to make a piano? Wow, that's easy! I don't even need to tune it or anything!"

If you want to get pithy, you can poke holes in nearly any dictionary definition. That doesn't mean they aren't correct - after all, a Nazi *is* someone with extremely racist views - it just means that dictionaries aren't meant to be absolutely exhaustive in their definitions.

And, once again, you're cherry-picking. If you don't like that definition, I gave three more up there that you're welcome to use instead. Hell, the only reason I posted those in the first place was because some people in this topic were apparently under the erroneous assumption that only members of Hitler's Germany could be Nazis, which is simply incorrect, as all of those definitions prove.
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True sentience? Then yes, that's slavery.
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Same here.
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I love how Trump thinks "alt-left" is actually a thing.
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OhhhJa posted...

darkknight109 posted...

OhhhJa posted...

Naw I still want someone to clarify whether or not jews and blacks can be nazis bc by some of the definitions posted they can be which is hilariously ironic

In theory, yes. You can absolutely hate your own race.

Most people don't, though, because modern Nazism - racism in general, really - is typically based around severe insecurity and people with an inferiority complex generally try and make themselves look less pathetic, not more.

Seriously, though, learn how dictionaries work. Take, for instance, the Oxford definition of an apple:

"The round fruit of a tree of the rose family, which typically has thin green or red skin and crisp flesh."

That doesn't mean that, for instance, rose hips are apples.

"The dictionary definition that I posted didn't suit my narrative so now I will attempt to insult your intelligence"

Bottom line... the definition you posted says "a person." Basically, that definition said any racist person is a Nazi which is absurd. But hey more power to you for your ability to use insults and false equivalencies

Once again, learn how a dictionary works. They're not encyclopedias.

And if we're going for a contest of debate faux pas, nice cherry picking on your arguments.
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SmokeMassTree posted...

The allies have never committed mass genocide right

They never enslaved people right

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/equal?s=t
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SmokeMassTree posted...

darkknight109 posted...

I wonder what Trump would have said if he was around in WW2.

"Yes, the Nazis were bad hombres, but we have to remember that the Allies were equally violent and share the blame here."

So the truth

I mean, if you want to equate the conduct of the Nazis - holocaust and all that - with the conduct of the Allies, you do you, I guess.
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Lokarin posted...

You are free to commit crimes, but you will face the conseqeuences

Not really. For speech, you will face no consequences from the government, though you may face consequences from elsewhere. For crimes, you will absolutely face consequences from the government.
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I wonder what Trump would have said if he was around in WW2.

"Yes, the Nazis were bad hombres, but we have to remember that the Allies were equally violent and share the blame here."
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MechaKirby posted...

FYI, I will do a Best game with the words "Super", "Final", and "Man" later since those words seem to be common in VG titles.

I would add "Legend" to that list.
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OhhhJa posted...

Naw I still want someone to clarify whether or not jews and blacks can be nazis bc by some of the definitions posted they can be which is hilariously ironic

In theory, yes. You can absolutely hate your own race.

Most people don't, though, because modern Nazism - racism in general, really - is typically based around severe insecurity and people with an inferiority complex generally try and make themselves look less pathetic, not more.

Seriously, though, learn how dictionaries work. Take, for instance, the Oxford definition of an apple:

"The round fruit of a tree of the rose family, which typically has thin green or red skin and crisp flesh."

That doesn't mean that, for instance, rose hips are apples.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

darkknight109 posted...

TheCyborgNinja posted...

The irony to me comes by way of Hitler absolutely hating Americans because they were so racially mixed, yet there they are, supporting him long after he lost and in spite of that.

Hitler actually quite admired America...

Citation needed?

http://www.upenn.edu/pennpress/book/14851.html
"In February 1942, barely two months after he had declared war on the United States, Adolf Hitler praised America's great industrial achievements and admitted that Germany would need some time to catch up. The Americans, he said, had shown the way in developing the most efficient methods of production—especially in iron and coal, which formed the basis of modern industrial civilization. He also touted America's superiority in the field of transportation, particularly the automobile. He loved automobiles and saw in Henry Ford a great hero of the industrial age. Hitler's personal train was even code-named "Amerika.""

Hitler was kind of a Ford cultist - he kept a life-sized portrait of Ford next to himself and lauded Ford's anti-semitic work from "The Dearborn Independent", which was a far-right conspiracy theory-ish paper that basically blamed the Jews for all the world's ills. Ford even got a couple of shout-outs in Mein Kampf.

Ford, by the by, was also quite a Hitler fanboy himself. He gave money to the Third Reich and even published a weird, creepy love/allegience poem called "Fuhrer" in the Ford-Werke international magazine in 1940. Can't post the link because it's too long for GF, but it's available online.

http://time.com/4703586/nazis-america-race-law/
"In Mein Kampf, Hitler called America the "one state" making progress toward the creation of the kind of order he wanted for Germany. In 1935, the National Socialist Handbook on Law and Legislation, a basic guide for Nazis as they built their new society, would declare that the United States had achieved the "fundamental recognition" of the need for a race state. Beyond its laws, the Nazis also admired America’s conquest of the West. In 1928, Hitler praised the Americans for having "gunned down the millions of Redskins to a few hundred thousand" in the course of founding their continental empire. And they knew that the United States had emerged as the dominant great power in the world after World War I. To them, racism had made America great. Plenty of Americans seemed to agree."

And there's also the fact that Hitler basically patterned his entire "Master Race" theory off the work of American Eugenicists, like Madison Grant. Hitler wrote to Grant about his book, "The Passing of the Great Race", and said "The book is my Bible." It was adopted by the Nazis and reprinted when they came to power, one of the few non-German books offered that "distinction".

TheCyborgNinja posted...

“I don't see much future for the Americans ... it's a decayed country. And they have their racial problem, and the problem of social inequalities ... my feelings against Americanism are feelings of hatred and deep repugnance ... everything about the behaviour of American society reveals that it's half Judaised, and the other half negrified. How can one expect a State like that to hold together?”
-Adolf Hitler, Hitler's Secret Conversations, 1941-1944

Note that he gives this quote after America had joined the war. His feelings beforehand - which I referenced in my original post - were quite different.
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I'm not sure. I'm not even employed in my area (I telecommute and home office is just over 1000 km away) and I haven't exactly been paying attention to what the local job market's been doing. That said, this area of the country is doing very well economically and the housing market is heating up right now, so I'm assuming the job market's probably pretty decent at the moment.
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Veedrock- posted...

Imagine being well over 30 and needing this kind of validation.

Imagine being over 30 and not realizing that Nazism is bad. Which apparently describes some PotD members, judging by some of the posts made over the last few days.
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Nazis are scum, yo.
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SmokeMassTree posted...

That's how you are using it, sure.

That's not the definition tho.

The definition, huh. Let's see here.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/nazi?s=t

Nazi
[naht-see, nat-]
noun, plural Nazis.
1.
a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, which controlled Germany from 1933 to 1945 under Adolf Hitler and advocated totalitarian government, territorial expansion, anti-Semitism, and Aryan supremacy, all these leading directly to World War II and the Holocaust.
2.
(often lowercase) a person elsewhere who holds similar views.
3.
(often lowercase) Sometimes Offensive. a person who is fanatically dedicated to or seeks to regulate a specified activity, practice, etc.:
a jazz nazi who disdains other forms of music; health nazis trying to ban junk food.
adjective
4.
of or relating to the Nazis.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Nazi


Definition of Nazi
1
: a member of a German fascist party controlling Germany from 1933 to 1945 under Adolf Hitler
2
often not capitalized
a : one who espouses the beliefs and policies of the German Nazis : fascist
b : one who is likened to a German Nazi : a harshly domineering, dictatorial, or intolerant person a grammar nazi

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/nazi

Nazi
NOUN

historical
1A member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
Example sentences
1.1derogatory A person with extreme racist or authoritarian views.
Example sentencesSynonyms
1.2 A person who seeks to impose their views on others in a very autocratic or inflexible way.
‘I learned to be more open and not such a Nazi in the studio’

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/nazi?q=Nazi

Nazi
noun
a member of the National Socialist (German Workers') Party, led by Adolf Hitler, which controlled Germany from 1933 to 1945

(disapproving) a person who is cruel or demands that people obey them completely, or who has extreme and unreasonable beliefs about race

So that's four dictionaries that say you're wrong. Do you want me to keep going or have I proved my point?
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SmokeMassTree2 posted...

Dude, you can say nazis 8923423 more times and it isn't going to make your point any better.

You're right, it's not. Mostly because my point's already correct; it doesn't need to be any better than that.
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"Always assume that every other driver on the road is a complete idiot; they usually won't disappoint you."
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SmokeMassTree posted...

So the word nazi can now be used as a blanket term for bad?

Nope.

Nazi is used to describe a specific group of people. People like this:

http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.806478.1502582591!/image/4113399306.PNG_gen/derivatives/headline_339x191/4113399306.PNG
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHB8sHTWAAAUNuy.jpg
http://media.salon.com/2017/06/confederate-flag-nazi.jpg
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/284/268/523.jpg

They can be kind of hard to spot, I know, but the swastikas, sieg heil salutes, and Hitler t-shirts kind of give them away.
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SmokeMassTree posted...

It doesn't matter what each side stands for

Um... yeah. It really, really does.

Again, Nazis. I'm kind of amazed I need to explain this.

SmokeMassTree posted...

He isn't a puppet that they can control.

Apparently he is, because today (two days late, but whatevs) he took a second swing at a condemnation, this time explicitly calling out the white supremacists, labelling them "evil", which is exactly what he should have done the first time around.
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