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Tom got Harth Week 4 IIRC so relink would be allowed when elims start.
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I kinda soured pretty hard on Jinder when he started rehashing Muhammad Hassan's gimmick from over 10 years ago

Especially considering there was a good fairly fresh story to be told there just by having Jinder be indignant about being underestimated-- no need to bring race into it whatsoever.

Right now I honestly feel like there's more to look forward to on Raw than SD which is kind of a mess at the moment.
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Tempest Trials look cool. Hoping the difficulty is up to standard.
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It's one thing to be optimistic, but some beginnings, you'd be a fool to think anything truly good could come of em. Kevin Owens was like... an abhorrent start where Jericho did all he could to make him break even. Imagine if he started on a good note!

And hell, I'm being cautiously optimistic about the winner of the five way right now in fact
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I think the last time I said "wait and see" was about Kevin Nash randomly powerbombing CM Punk.

That's probably wrong, but I don't say it often.
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I said KO would suck immediately when Hunter gifted him the title but I'm pretty negative about waiting and seeing in general so it should go without saying.
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I think the idea is Miz likes to win ' legitimately ' if he can for the bragging rights. This has been a recurring theme for him, waiting till he absolutely needs to to cheat.
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Yeah Bayley got booed pretty hard for her promo. Not quite at the point where she gets booed during matches but man I wouldn't be surprised if it's coming after last night. Poor Bayley :(
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I updated erratas to CATS and BASS on both my page and Scare's/Johnbobb's

Would've done Class VII but seems Kamek already did that
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Decent show.

Liked Miz, Aries, ME
Alicia Fox was actually okay for what it was
Bayley and the Hardyz looked super dumb. Think it was intentional for Bayley, for whatever reason. Hardyz it's the rules of the match being too stupid.

Overall one of the better WWE shows I've seen this year
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Tosh.o would probably be bottom 10 for me
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Tom Bombadil posted...

5 on Tails' second abil upgrade, finishing it.

5 on Mega Man's first abil upgrade, finishing it.

Hey I remembered Little Mac this time! 5 on Pit's Great Sacred Treasure (5/25)

You get 10 bonus exp not 5
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No I don't want a refund as that's how I'd always read the ability anyway.
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Why is Matt stopping Sheamus from leaving

Just follow him out the door for high comedy

The logic holes in that match were infuriating
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20 on Corrin's Branch of Fate upgrade, completing it
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Bayley is buried beneath the earth
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I actually agree Doomguy would initially be warded off fairly easily, but he's not going down easily at all, so Ryu turns him aside, gets distracted by others, then it's RIP AND TEAR time
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Anyway you want the mind blowing reason silence does that in some games

These Persona kids play video games and Silence does that in video games and they think of their Personas like magic and they like to shout PERSONA!!! Thus mental block.

So it all comes down to whether Yu has played Final Fantasy 6 or not.
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I am so proud my stomp fight got the most posts of the week.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

pretty sure this is wrong as i do respect Ken's fighting capabilities.

Confirming that I remember Wang hyping up the fact Ken broke a punching bag with one hit and explaining why that was hype in M3.

I remember this too

Never remember him hyping Ryu and drawing that back to Ken though
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Wanglicious posted...

where'd i say this.
you shouldn't need to resort to lying about someone arguing against you.

Never said it, but never given credit to anything but that was explicitly stated as a fight or feat to a fighting game character to my recollection. Part of the reason you trash Tira at that -- cause general lore doesn't paint her a joke but she's low on wins and feats.

Hell I don't think you've ever hyped Ken's sparring time with Ryu and that IS explicit
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I like how there's just assumed sparring time, even assumed details of how it went,given to Crono where fighting game characters need everything explicit

Who has the double standard again?
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Like to put it in more simple terms

Bog standard RPG progression is enough to make you decent

Someone like Crono to get the hype he gets from some? Needs to be more than a bit more
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I responded to what you said there as to why it's relevant he didn't have any explicit training scene in the rest of the post. I'll ask you to read the rest rather than repeat myself.
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I'm not saying he didn't train, just that it's not really a plot point per se. It has less weight for that reason -- it's not training as much as bog standard RPG protag progression which well, most have much higher starting points or notable power spike points that Crono doesn't get.
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Crono's training is assumed via level ups but never really hammered home as something that has happened
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Selvaria is literally a MGS boss.
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Honestly that Tank is of questionable quality anyway. It's from well before the tech of legit tanks and the general feeling of that whole segment is kinda that the castle is full of buffoons. Do we actually know he cut through it or did he hit it till it fell apart.
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Tira's lore absolutely looks the part. She was raised as an assassin since birth. Crono is a guy who:

Starts the game with lore of some kid who owns a cat
Gets no real montage of any sort
Has no real 1v1 feats

Basically you're saying I should take his FMV burst of speed animation to mean something when

His natural speed shown in game looks unimpressive
His speed in the FMV outside that DBZ vanish is unimpressive
He does nothing whatsoever in the plot to validate this speed burst.

There's no PIMP here. CT is just bad at hyping its characters. That's all.
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Wanglicious posted...

Lopen posted...

I also see him moving at a different speed through the rest of the video. That's basically the FMV Version of gratuitous after images

...so yes, you in fact are selectively ignoring the actual cutscene animation.

Yes. Because it's at odds with the rest of the FMV and it's DBZ slop animation. This isn't really that strange. It's the same reason Kirby doesn't get planet busting strength credit.
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Fighting game characters look the part. Their moves look like legit attacks, and they generally have better singular feats

Are you paying any attention here seriously
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I also see him moving at a different speed through the rest of the video. That's basically the FMV Version of gratuitous after images
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Persona characters, all of them, come off as stronger than Crono to me. Because ' has a Persona ' is played as a bigger deal than everything Crono does to gain any sort of power.
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But yeah I think Chrono Trigger basically just hits on the worst of everything.

Dude has no hype coming in
Dude's animations don't look impressive
There's not really any real point where he hits a plot power spike to put him above human levels aside from learning magic

Basically CT is just really bad at establishing why the CT party is a big deal other than they beat these other things, somehow. That's good for you not so much for me. If there were more straight up duel battles in CT it'd be a much easier sell.
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Would take Chie over Crono too tbqh.
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I respect other RPG protags for reasons other than ' they killed this big bad ' generally.

In Yu it's general Persona stat buff and tech and elemental resist hype along with him looking pretty competent in P4arena. Very little to do with the stuff he kills. You're the guy who brings that stuff up, not me.
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Mechanics imo can be used if you're comparing with stuff in the same game or genre, and there are no better refence points.

Like I shouldn't have to assume an NES character is good at fighting if they do one punch attack and one kick attack because there are only two buttons when Double Dragon 2 exists. Some suspension of disbelief is fine but there comes a point where animations do tell us something as well.
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Kain's technique is garbo
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MenuWars posted...

Yeah not rating Crono because the game doesn't portray his abilities well enough is kinda like relegating all RPG characters of old to shit tier. Albeit he is right about Lavos being kind of underwhelming.

Just for the record it's not about limitations of the engine. It's about how the techs look. Crono basically either swings slow or does the equivalent of flailing, no real in between. He also has a super slow cast animation.

There are SNES characters I respect more. From his own game even.
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It's not a double standard at all. It's a matter of how much you weigh feats vs technique shown and situations.

Tira just looks a lot faster and is (relative to Crono) a specialist in 1v1s vs humanoids given she's an assassin and the SC worldsetting, so in a 1v1 in situations where magic is not viable, I have her beating Crono. I don't take Crono's so called feats to mean much because they're all in team situations (where banned raises like Phoenix Down can be used) so it's not clear what Crono contributes or how clean the win is.

The only double standard here is the one you use vs the one I use. I think Yu and Tira come off as more competent fighters than Crono with the moves they use and speed they show. You don't because you think CT enemies are that impressive and you take gratuitous after image effects as conclusive evidence of speed. That's fine.
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MenuWars posted...

I wasn't being that broad with my definition, but if you want to be obtuse sure.

People living in opaque houses shouldn't throw dense stones
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Well if you're being that broad no one who isn't from Earth has any special powers whatsoever. So it's down to Doomguy vs Ryu with Rikku tossing items to Doomguy from above.
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The origin is literally defined as being within though, which would imply it is in fact from Earth. Are all Persona characters aliens?
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Well Menu let's start from the beginning

What does ' inherently magical ' mean
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Lopen posted...

Big thing that separates magic from chi is external influences giving power. Aeon has it. Persona doesn't. That's pretty much all it boils down to.

So Weltal doesn't work.

Not like it matters...

Putting it that way I'd be more inclined to believe it fails to work yeah.

Really depends on where in particular you draw the lines.
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Big thing that separates magic from chi is external influences giving power. Aeon has it. Persona doesn't. That's pretty much all it boils down to.
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Big difference between Aeons and Personas is Aeons are dreams of The Fayth given form that the summoner attune to by visiting temples. It's more explicitly external even if the will of the summoner is tested or whatever
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Limit Breaks have a reason to be faster than they appear. Hint it's in the name. They also look way faster and better without respecting that anyway. You won't see me hyping Cloud's Deathblow Sword swing as faster than it appears.

CT basically depends on you assuming everything looks better than it is because of the world destroying evil they take out. I could do that, but why? Lavos doesn't really look all that impressive anyway. You have foresight to jump on him immediately and get in his face before he rains death spines on the world and the US Military probably takes him out.
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Losing to Labrys is not shameful. She'd kick Crono's ass too
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Chrono Trigger is really gratuitous with after images. It's hard to take them very seriously as an indicator of speed especially considering how slow some of the techs with em look. And it's not SNES limitations-- FF6 and plenty of others have stuff that looks a lot faster with em.

Yu on the other hand has stuff in P4 arena that looks impressive even without hyping afterimages
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