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Trumble posted...

Yeah, we have the latest weapons transfers as proof of just how willing Biden is to listen.

What do you think Trump will do in regards to Israel?

You can pretend like Biden is the only person who exists but that is not reality. You are given a choice of Biden vs. Trump.
You are fully consciously aware of your action that will help or hurt either to be elected.

You disagree with Biden policy on Israel. Ok. Do you then CHOOSE Trump over Biden? Why? What will Trump do instead?

That is why your argument is not genuine.

McMarbles posted...

I'm here because I hate conspiracy theories. They're usually very uniformed and (this is a bit of a selfish reason) they tend to eventually lead down a rabbit hole that ends in Anti-Semitism.

you are saying a very likely scenario of Boeing having this guy killed will lead to Anti-Semitism?

Trumble posted...

By the same logic, does that mean you are 100% ok with Biden and the Palestinian genocide or you would vote to make sure he doesn't win?

Come on, explain why the same standards don't apply to Biden.

You cannot vote to stop it as it will happen either way.

However Biden is the one who is more open to listen to protest.

Do you understand this?

Shadow_Don posted...

I should have added the /s

ah
yes you need the /s because some people will post that seriously believing it

Trumble posted...

Okay, but explain how someone not voting at all bears more responsibility for a candidate's actions than someone who specifically voted for the candidate in question.

It doesn't but the point is you are 100% ok with Trump and Project 2025 or you would vote to make sure he doesn't win.

McMarbles posted...

Funny how he deleted that post... I wonder if it had anything to do with all the dogs that came running up as soon as I read it...

No the deleted post is mine. I misunderstood the Aid post and thought he refer to picture being made by A.I.

Heineken14 posted...

Cool. Another topic where people will cry when you compare and contrast Biden and Donnie together like they aren't the only 2 options we will 100% get for our next president.

Just admiring this wonderful picture and also made this topic last night which is before the other thread.

Shadow_Don posted...

How much is soros paying you and where do I apply?

Why would Soros need to pay me to not want a criminal dictator?

McMarbles posted...

Nor are you the judge trying the case, yet you've laid down a guilty verdict.

I did?

whoever made this was pretty spot on and it is being proved even more today

MrMojoRising posted...

I'm starting to think that there's there's nothing that Biden can do that would make y'all not vote for him. That's...healthy.

sounds familiar

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/ef62e46c.jpg

McMarbles posted...

Despite what Lionel Hutz would tell you, hearsay and conjecture are not "kinds of evidence."
And short of an actual investigation that is really all you have to go on.

Not sure what your point is. I am not an investigator putting Boeing in jail.

ReiRei89 posted...

They might not vote Trump but they're certainly cool with getting him elected by staying home. If you truly cared about the Palestinians you wouldn't be looking the other way while a fascist who has already vowed to glass them when elected takes power.

exactly

if you are OK with Trump being re-elected you made that statement in the photo

MrMojoRising posted...

So you agree Biden is doing the most evil because he's helping Trump win by enabling a genocide?

did your mind begin to break as you made this post?

MrMojoRising posted...

Not voting for Biden is not taking an action. It's an inaction. If Biden loses because of Israel is because of his actions. He took the greatest amount of actions that would lead him to lose. Taking your analysis, he's the one that doesn't think Trump is that bad. So why would I vote for him?

It is action.

And you are OK with Trump. You think he is FINE. That means you think Biden is just as bad or worse.

It is extremely simple math.

IF you thought Trump was worse than Biden, you would NOT be ok having Trump which means you would not vote or refuse to vote in a way that increases Trump's chance to win.

thus
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/ef62e46c.jpg

ItsNotA2Mer posted...

They're all on the same page, this clown in Michigan just went ahead and said the quiet part out loud.

Trump will end aid to Ukraine and then give it all the Israel to genocide Palestine faster so the public stops talking about it

Foppe posted...

People already forgot the Muslim Ban?

Seems like it or maybe they never cared

MrMojoRising posted...

You can also not vote for Biden and dislike Trump and even think he's worse than Biden.

No you cannot.

This means you DO NOT think Trump is that bad because YOU KNOW you are taking action to increase his chances of winning.

ItsNotA2Mer posted...

InB4 "But Biden is basically doing the exact same thing".

We already have a Republican Michigan congressman giving away the game by straight up saying we should stop all humanitarian aid, and go Hirishima and Nagasaki on Gaza, "to get it over with quicker".

https://youtu.be/G4-bcQMAtiM?si=z7d2C-H5_8PcRyyQ

Trump said get it over quicker too

Gritty posted...

Hes not wrong. Trump would commit genocide

Apparently he told Netanyahu to hurry up and finish the war today.

Wonder what he is suggesting.

MrMojoRising posted...

See what you're not understanding is that just because you vote for something or someone doesn't mean that you hold x or y idea. Once you get past that in your head, things will make a lot more sense.

I am the one who gets that actually. You can vote Biden and dislike his Israel policy.

Is that hard to comprehend? So how does he lose the election then?

It is because these people are INFACT suggesting the opposite of what you say.

edit: if I have to SPELL it out for you, voting Biden does not mean you support genocide

Holy_Cloud105 posted...

Yes, the Muslim people in my own family. Then when you tell them Trump has a good chance of winning and he'll get rid of Muslims in this country they stick their heads in the sand. And it's not just my family, it's all the people in the Muslim community that they meet at the Masjid who feel like that.

Did they forget about Trump's Muslim ban?

MarcoRubio posted...

How the f*** did we allow him to take office, and how is he not in prison ?

Because people said Hilary was worse (maga cultists and centrists).

Now consider the current discourse about Biden and Israel and forgetting the countless stuff Trump has done and his own stance on Israel.

Gwynevere posted...

If you take actions, like staying home in November, that directly benefit Trump, then you don't care about any of those issues as much as you claim to,

This 100%

legendary_zell posted...

Many other people might not come to the same conclusion.

And why would that be?

cuttin_in_farm posted...

You posting this and thinking it makes sense is whats wrong with CE discourse.

Do you believe an election is a vacuum?

MarcoRubio posted...

Muslim ban?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13769

Executive Order 13769, titled Protecting the Nation from Foreign Terrorist Entry into the United States, labeled the "Muslim ban" by Donald Trump and his supporters[1][2] and critics,[3][4] and commonly known as such,[5] or commonly referred to as the Trump travel ban, or Trump Muslim travel ban, was an executive order by President Trump. Except for the extent to which it was blocked by various courts, it was in effect from January 27, 2017, until March 6, 2017, when it was superseded by Executive Order 13780, a second order sharing the title "Protecting the Nation from Foreign Terrorist Entry into the United States".
Part of a series of executive actions, Executive Order 13769 lowered the number of refugees to be admitted into the United States in 2017 to 50,000, suspended the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP) for 120 days, suspended the entry of Syrian refugees indefinitely, directed some cabinet secretaries to suspend entry of those whose countries do not meet adjudication standards under U.S. immigration law for 90 days, and included exceptions on a case-by-case basis. The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) listed these countries as Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Yemen. Iraq was also included until it was dropped following sharp criticism from the Iraqi government and promises of improved vetting of Iraqi citizens in collaboration with the Iraqi government.[6][7] More than 700 travelers were detained, and up to 60,000 visas were "provisionally revoked".[8]
The signing of the Executive Order provoked widespread condemnation and protests and resulted in legal intervention against the enforcement of the order. Critics referred to it as a "Muslim ban," because President Trump had previously called for a temporary ban on Muslims entering the United States,[9] and because all of the affected countries had a Muslim majority, although the affected Muslims were only 12% of the global Muslim population.[10][11] Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and the United Arab Emirates were also notably excluded, despite being located in the same region as the countries subject to the ban and home to large Muslim populations. Despite this fact, critics proposed a theory that this was due to Trump having business ties with these countries.[12][13] A nationwide temporary restraining order (TRO) was issued on February 3, 2017 in the case Washington v. Trump, which was upheld by the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit on February 9, 2017. Consequently, the Department of Homeland Security stopped enforcing portions of the order and the State Department re-validated visas that had been previously revoked. Later, other orders (Executive Order 13780 and Presidential Proclamation 9645) were signed by President Trump and superseded Executive Order 13769. On June 26, 2018, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the third Executive Order (Presidential Proclamation 9645) and its accompanying travel ban in a 54 decision, with the majority opinion being written by Chief Justice John Roberts.[14]

Surely not! Would a guy who literally made a Muslim Ban his policy while in office do such a thing?

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-would-level-gaza-without-thought-ex-aide-warns-1886625

Former aide to President Donald Trump and current co-host of ABC's The View is warning Democrats that protest votes could potentially lead to more catastrophic events in the Middle East.
Joe Biden is on pace to face presumptive Republican nominee Trump in a rematch of the 2020 election, but the president's handling of the ongoing conflict in Gaza between Israel and Hamas, which quickly escalated following the October 7 terrorist attacks, has drawn scrutiny from many within the Democratic Party.

"Based on Michigan and Wisconsin results, we know that the protest votesthe sort of ceasefire kind of votes in Michiganwere more than the margin of victory that Joe Biden won victory in Michigan in 2020. This is very real," Alyssa Farah Griffin said.

"I believe a protest vote is part of democracy, I think that it's a good way to make your voice heard. But I would say to these folksthese are Democrats and I'm a Republican so take it or leave itbut as an Arab-American, do you really think that Donald Trump would handle Gaza better than Joe Biden? If he thought it was politically advantageous, [Trump] would level Gaza without a second thought."

On Tuesday, 48,091 Wisconsin voters cast ballots for "uninstructed" to protest the Biden administration policies, accounting for 8.3 percent of the total Democratic votemore than doubling the 20,000 or so votes Biden defeated Trump by in 2020. Last month, more than 100,000 Michigan Democratic voters cast "uncommitted" ballots, while voters in other states have done the same in smaller numbers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13769

legendary_zell posted...

This topic about who is causing that effect though. It's Biden unless you think people that think facilitating genocide is categorically unacceptable to earn a FOR vote should abandon that view for some reason.

If you think that somehow it's not happening or that Biden isn't facilitating it, that's one thing. It's wrong, but that's a more defensible view. It's another to tell people how much they should care about it. And it's indefensible to spend energy telling people to swallow those feelings than energy spent on getting Biden to stop pushing those people away through his actions.

which means it is literally this

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/ef62e46c.jpg

You can claim nuance but that is literally what you are stating by claiming Biden lost your vote

Trump isn't bad enough to get you to vote Biden = Biden is just as bad as Trump

Vegy posted...

Stone cold coming back to help out cody and set up next years mania event of da rock vs stone cold for da title!!!

Most he could do is cameo. Aren't his knees super bad?

Vegy posted...

will da rock betray da blood line???

he should remove Reigns at head of the table and become head of the table

maybe Reigns loses to Cody and Rock beats Reigns up

legendary_zell posted...

Nothing, and anyone who advocates for that should be summarily disregarded. Luckily, I haven't seen anyone do that here. That's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about Biden losing votes, not Trump gaining them. The people pissed about Biden over Palestine are not going to vote for Trump. That's a strawman argument that hides the true danger here.

Not voting Biden is Trump gaining votes or Biden wouldn't lose the election.

andel posted...

because family and friends are never in denial?

Like I said you are too biased to look at objective reality.

All his family and friends said he was of stable mind.

But you, who never met the guy say he was not. Who to believe?

legendary_zell posted...

No one is saying that Trump would be better
No one is saying to vote for Trump
No one is saying that they're equivalent

If Biden loses the election, he has nobody to blame but himself

How does Biden LOSE the ELECTION ?

1337toothbrush posted...

It's literally a politician's job to get votes. They're not owed votes.

did he not earn the votes by doing everything he did and having as in that image just 2 books on the scale vs. the opposition which literally wants to make himself king?

I suppose if it was like a huge amount of land and not just a tiny little house shoved into a suburb.

I guess Boeing brings to mind to boomers "American Jobs!!!"

which is ironic because this whole thing is about them outsourcing and firing the American engineers

1337toothbrush posted...

This topic is about the general population of voters. They see a president who full-throatedly supports genocide. Are you that surprised they don't feel like putting in the effort to vote (no matter how small that effort may be)? They're not making calculated moves like you think. There is a very easy way around this, which is to *stop supporting genocide* which comes with the "side" benefit of *not supporting genocide*.

so are they criticizing Trump for supporting genocide or that is not an issue when it comes to him?

then start feeding and he can't hypercarry

Solid_Sonic posted...

Can I really, though?

in the right thread, this one is not it

1337toothbrush posted...

The argument is "biden shouldn't support genocide" and this image is being spammed to pretend the argument is "both sides are the same".

This thread is about voting Trump over Biden or refusing to vote.

It isn't about just telling Biden he should do x or y.

So the image is PERFECT.

It shows people are forgiving and putting wool over their eyes to how disgusting Trump is to simply criticize Biden on one point that Trump is gonna do even worse.

Umbreon posted...

No clue. Is Boeing one of those companies conservatives seem to love? I can see anyone with pull in the military having people play defense for them.

Not that this is necessarily so.

Hmm that could be it. Yes they have military ties.

Solid_Sonic posted...

I just wish trying to criticize Biden didn't come with the implication of voting for Trump. I have no interest in voting for Trump but I want to address how disappointed I am in Biden's flimsy commitment to justice for Palestine.

You can do that.

But this thread is TITLED:
If Biden loses the election

1337toothbrush posted...

You don't think democrats have a PR team that posts things online? That I've seen this slick new graphic posted all over the place instantly makes it look like a coordinated PR campaign. That's all I'm saying. It shouldn't distract from the fact that democrats are supporting a genocide.

or maybe some random dude made the picture after seeing a stupid 500 posts thread about how Biden will lose to DONAL TRUMP because Isreal and everyone else who had similar experience saw the image and was like "GOLD" and shared it?

not plausible?

1337toothbrush posted...

Yeah, like I've said a trillion times. I vote democrat straight down the ballot every single time. I should still be allowed to criticize them without people jumping down my throat.

1337toothbrush posted...

You and all the other online democrat operatives.

Y-y-you vote Democrat? Yet you claim this was made by a PR operative?

what even

Gritty posted...

Cant really do that my man. Many flights you may take will only have Boeings

I just flew on one last night

Airlines need to phase them out but it will take awhile.
Hopefully the Airline maintenance teams are good.

trappedunderice posted...

If you don't like random encounters maybe ff isn't for you

FF hasn't had them since FFX

1337toothbrush posted...

No, because I didn't say both sides are the same. No one has said both sides are the same. You're just hamfistedly ignoring the actual point of "biden shouldn't support genocide" in favor of the "both sides" strawman.

@1337toothbrush

maybe he shouldn't support them but you will still vote for him over Trump right?
right?

RIGHT?????