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dhampire1 posted...
I wish thered be a mutiny or anything to kick out all the leaders of the Democratic Party. All of them are worthless and way, way past the retirement age.
yet somehow those dumbasses with their multiple mansions and millions feel like they relate to people who are poor and born 50 years after them.

Well if people were more active in primaries, they could have been replaced already.
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McgeesAlice808 posted...
I mean, that doesn't make the party look better. It's the same kind of mindset as "you called me racist so now I'm going to be racist to spite you look what you've done liberals".

Would you want to put someone in charge who was actively undermining you the entire time?

You can't just come swinging in antagonizing the people who you are suppose to work with and expect to be rewarded for it.
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Garioshi posted...
If you genuinely thought that my post was in favor of not fighting at all, you need to have your head examined.

Maybe you need to actually read my post. I specially asked if you would rather they not fight over ACA subsidies.
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I like how you never answer the question. Just come up with some quip.
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Garioshi posted...
Okay then, why fight the Republicans at all if you're just going to unilaterally accept that there's no way to save the Obamacare subsidies? Go lay down in chalk outline of yourself.

Would you rather they don't even try to fight for ACA subsidies?
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Error1355 posted...
Why do they think that them having a falling out would make it less likely that Trump was involved and/or had him killed to hush him lmao.

Clearly all the other email of him collaborating are just fake, because they hate each other. GOP probably.
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621 posted...
they probably know that MAGA won't give a ****, even with trump in there

It sounds more like they found a bunch of emails where Trump and Epstein had a falling out so they can claim that Trump has distanced himself with Epstein or something.
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https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/11/12/us/epstein-files-trump

House Republicans on Wednesday released 23,000 pages of documents from the estate of Jeffrey Epstein after months of delays. The move came shortly after Democrats disclosed emails from that trove suggesting President Trump knew far more about Mr. Epsteins sex trafficking than he previously acknowledged.

The documents were obtained by the chairman of the House Oversight Committee, Representative James Comer, through a subpoena in August. They were published online about two hours after House Democrats released an email from Mr. Epstein in which he wrote that Mr. Trump spent hours at my house with one of Mr. Epsteins victims.

It was not immediately clear what other disclosures the larger release would include. The Times is reviewing the documents and will provide updates. But the emails between Mr. Epstein and friends and associates were laced with unflattering, at times mocking, references to Mr. Trump.

In 2018, for example, Mr. Epstein described Mr. Trump as borderline insane in an email exchange with Lawrence H. Summers, the former Treasury secretary and Harvard University president. A year later, an Epstein associate dismissed Mr. Trumps financial disclosures as 100 pages of nonsense.

And in a January 2019 email released by Democrats, Mr. Epstein flatly asserted that of course Mr. Trump knew about his associations with young women, many of whom were later found by investigators to have been underage.

Mr. Trump urged Republicans to reject any effort to revive a discussion of his relationship with Mr. Epstein, blaming Democrats for the release of the documents in a post on social media and writing that they were trying to bring up the Jeffrey Epstein Hoax again because theyll do anything at all to deflect on how badly theyve done on the Shutdown.
Still, Mr. Trump and the White House appeared to be rushing to prevent additional revelations. Top administration officials met in the White House Situation Room on Wednesday with Representative Lauren Boebert, a Colorado Republican who is backing an effort to force a House vote on whether to demand the release of more files related to Mr. Epstein.

House Republicans are walking a thin and perilous political line in the Epstein case.

They are seeking to protect Mr. Trump, Mr. Epsteins close friend until the two men had a falling out years ago. But they have their own political flank to cover by appeasing a restive party base that has demanded full disclosure of Mr. Epsteins interactions with other powerful men an issue that has at times transcended loyalty to the president.

The release of documents appears to be intended to provide Republicans with a defense against charges that they have not released all of the governments files on Mr. Epstein and his longtime associate Ghislaine Maxwell and possibly to stave off demands, including from some House Republicans, to force a vote to release additional files.
Democrats claimed that the sheer volume of the release on Wednesday was intended to disorient, and to distract attention from their revelations about Mr. Trumps actions during the time he and Mr. Epstein were close.

I certainly did not expect republicans to release Epstein related documents.
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You are aware that if the shutdown went on longer that ACA subsidies would end regardless. So if dems kept the shutdown lasting until 2026 midterms people would both lose SNAP and ACA subsidies.

But I feel like given your track record of posting you would be quite silent on people dying in that situation.
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A_Good_Boy posted...
I'd rather we fight battles that were winnable rather than engage in silly theatrics when from the onset we know we can't do anything. And my major disappointment isn't simply the fact that Dems caved on this one issue, it's the fact that since the election they have caved on each and every single one. It's a consistent pattern. At some point in these next few years a win would be nice, but losing just because there's nothing to do is pathetic and I feel is more damaging in the long run. Republicans control all branches of government and nearly all forms of media, so Dems willingly handing Republicans own goals seems more hurtful than helpful. The spin on this one isn't even hard at all to use against Democrats. You have to twist yourself in knots to not blame them now.

What battle is winnable from a position of being the minority party?
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A_Good_Boy posted...
See, another dude saying it was a forgone conclusion. Sure fight the GOP but why are we aiming to lose and and come out worse? Is it impossible to pick better battles or do we have to throw ourselves at each and every opportunity just to come out worse?

It's important to fight any battle against Trump and the republicans even if you are likely going to lose that fight. A war is not lost by losing 1 battle.

The current funding when it passes the house only goes up to January. So there's bound to be another shutdown as I highly doubt Republicans are going to propose something agreeable. If Trump and a majority controlled congress are constantly shutting down the government for months before a temporarily funding measure is released, that is not a good look in the long term.
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Garioshi posted...
We have been over this THREE TIMES in this topic. Deaths from SNAP going unfunded are a speck of dust compared to the mass graves we will see from the Obamacare subsidies expiring. The two are not equivalent in ANY way just because people will die in both cases. If you disagree with my assessment, I would LOVE to know why.

So you would rather go 1 month without food than 1 month without health insurance?
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Do you think it helps their longterm perception issue of being weak and feckless if they willingly take on losing battles just to achieve nothing? Why are they engaging in government shutdowns if they're going to cave when people go unpaid? Did they not know that's what happens during a shutdown? Are they stupid?

They are the minority party. You are getting upset that the minority party is unable to gain more votes than the majority party.

Want to change it? Vote the majority party out of power in mid terms.
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A_Good_Boy posted...
And I think this just loops back to my earlier question of what even was the point of attempting the shutdown in the first place if their losing hand was so glaringly obvious to CEmen but not our Democrat senators.

Would you rather Democrats never try to fight the Republicans?
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Garioshi posted...
We are on a closed message board on a dying website with a population under 200. Do you honestly think I have ANY impact on "the average voter"? I'm not a YouTuber with 100,000 subscribers. I should not need reduce my criticism for fear of a audience that doesn't exist going out and voting Trump because they don't understand that a Democrat will always be the better option.

And what happens when everyone feels the same way? Because as I mentioned, media was downplaying Trump and boosting up anti Biden/Harris thoughts. Pro-Palestine protestors focused their efforts on Biden/Harris and people like in Dearborn felt that Trump was their better option for Gaza.

If you want to go around and only talk about issues you have with Democrats, then you shouldn't complain that people have an issue with you doing so. Because frankly, we keep trying to only criticize Democrats and we keep getting into situations where Republicans take power.
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Garioshi posted...
I genuinely do not know what to say to you aside of "the highest order of contempt for the GOP is implied". If the Democrats fail to adequately fight back against an administration that wants to usher an era of unparalleled suffering into the world, they deserve to be criticized for it. I'm not some unwitting tool of propagandists and it's frankly insulting that you think I have no agency in what I do. If you have a problem with what I'm saying beyond "you're attacking Democrats too much", then say it.

Here's the problem that you seem to be missing.

It's fine to criticize Democrats for their fallings. The problem is when criticism of Democrats is all you do. A big part of why Trump won was that people just didn't talk about criticism towards Trump. Everything was focused on the faults of Biden and Harris. Then you have a media also wrapping things up to downplay the things Trump was saying while overanalyzing any possible critique you could have about Biden or Harris.

This is what the average voter sees. They see people are upset with Democrats and have no issues with Trump and then proceed to vote Trump. Then we're in this mess of Trump and the republican party attacking rights and trying to take away people's safety nets and we're back to complaining about Democrats when none of this would be happening in the first if Republicans were not put into power.

And as I said earlier, it's weird that you would make a poll about how many people Democrats are going to kill as a result of ACA subsidies being removed which is only happening due to Republicans are in power, but did not have the same energy when Trump was fighting to not pay out SNAP.
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Why do the shutdown at all then?

So we shouldn't try to fight for anything? We should just let republicans destroy the country.

The shutdown situation was simply a lose-lose. Republicans were refusing to even remotely entertain the idea of proposing any other solution to keep the government open. Trump was fighting courts against paying SNAP benefits. Federal workers were going without pay.

Democrats could keep the government shutdown longer, but what would that accomplish? Republicans simply don't care.
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Garioshi posted...
Incalculably less, yes. I don't think you fully grasp how fucked a whole tenth of the population is now.

The federal government is the largest employer in the US. Also contract work would also eventually be affected when the money runs out and people get laid off in the private sector as well.
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El_Dustino posted...
I don't believe the number would be anywhere near as high, food is much cheaper and easier to access than healthcare

Again people need SNAP, because they already can't afford to buy enough food.
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Garioshi posted...
The shutdown could have gone on for a full year and I guarantee you it would have done less damage than caving will do.

You think federal workers not being paid for a full year is going to do less damage?
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but you would accept millions dying during an indefinite shutdown?
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El_Dustino posted...
Courts and/or corporate donors.

You mean the same courts that Trump has ignored and appeals straight to the SCOTUS since SCOTUS is packed with Trump appointed judges who will just let him do things anyways?

You mean the same corporate donors who donated millions to Trump's ballroom?
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El_Dustino posted...
I do, eventually, I believe their hand would be forced one way or another

By who? Who was going to force Republicans to save ACA subsidies when the entire thing they've been running on was to eliminate the ACA.
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Garioshi posted...
Yes, obviously. Do you think those people somehow have even more money (we're sometimes talking a full order of magnitude) for healthcare just lying around?

If the shut down lasted long enough we could have both no SNAP and no ACA subsidies.
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El_Dustino posted...
Because. The dems. Caved.

Do you believe that if we just held the shut down longer that Republicans would give up and cave? The same party that was activity taking away SNAP money and discussing about not backpaying furlough workers? The same party whose entire thing is they want to kill the poor and minorities?
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Garioshi posted...
Not getting SNAP benefits means you're out a few hundred dollars a month

You do realize that the people getting SNAP benefits to pay for food do not have enough money for food in the first place.
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Robot2600 posted...
mtg might vote to release, are we counting her already?

So it's a petition that needs 218 signatures to force a vote bypassing Mike Johnson. It has gathered 217 signatures and we expect the newly elected Democrat to be the final signature.
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TheOnionKnight posted...
In the USA right now, a third party cannot win. It just can't happen. It can't.

This isn't true.

Bernie is currently an independent in the Senate and Jesse Ventura won Minnesota governor in 1999 under Reform party.

There's other independents currently sitting in government seats, but many of them were once a Republican or Democrat so I'm not going to count them.

It's certainly not easy to win as a 3rd party candidate, but it is not impossible.
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This is only happening because a bill to fund the government is moving to the house.

Now the big question is if anyone will strike their name off the list for the esptein files.
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AceMos posted...
did anyone tell them its a year to late for that

This poll is clearly about who people are excited for as the next dem nom in 2028. And also black voters did turn out for Harris in 2024.
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President Donald Trump thinks no one knows what a magnet is. The polarizing president was in conversation with Fox News about the economy when he veered off track to discuss China and magnetic trains. President Xi was willing to do the railroad thingsthats magnets, he said. Now, nobody knows what a magnet is. If you dont have a magnet, you dont have a car. You dont make a computer, you dont make, er, televisions and radios and all the other thingsyou dont make anything. Its a 30-year effort to monopolize a very important thing. Now, in two years, well have magnets, all the magnets we want. Because of tariffs, listen I called, I said youre going to play the magnet, were going to play the tariff on you. His confusion over magnetism is well documented, and the record suggests he was being sincere when he said, No one knows what they are. During his diplomatic tour of Asia, Trump,79, stood in front of servicepeople of the U.S. Navy and said, You know, the new thing is magnets. So instead of using hydraulic that can be hit by lightning, and its fine. You take a little glass of water, you drop it on magnets. I dont know whats going to happen.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-79-claims-nobody-knows-what-a-magnet-is/

Trump continue to shows signs of not being mentally fit for the job.
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As if the 3rd parties in the US are better. Jill Stein basically solely exists to take votes from Democrats and has ties to Russia. Libertarians are just a different flavor of Republicans.

Not that it matters, because the likelyhood that either of these 3rd parties gathers enough votes to win elections outside of local ones is practically zero. So all you would be doing is help Republicans win and I hope I don't need to explain how much worse Republicans are for this country.
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Garioshi posted...
They're evil. Their only goal is to maximize human suffering. This has been obvious for over 2 decades. The Democrats are SUPPOSED to be the ones defending us from them. I am aiming my criticism at the part of the equation that is nominally more receptive to it.

So the play is to never focus on the things republicans are doing so you can continue to complain about democrats with what goal? Help democrats lose elections so more republicans take power?
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I think it's interesting how you never made a topic like this for Republicans and cutting SNAP funding.
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What is the end goal here? If PETA speaks out does how does that help stop the death of these animals? I don't believe has much influence outside of the US.
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masterpug53 posted...
"I love the poorly educated."
"Why am I surrounded by fucking idiots?!"

This is an intended feature.
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/doj-hiring-in-freefall-as-applicants-flunk-the-favorite-trump-policy-test/

A new loyalty test for prospective hires has left the Justice Department with thousands of vacancies and a mounting case backlog.

Trumps DOJ has experienced a sharp decline in applicantsespecially qualified onesin large part because of the partisan hiring process, The Washington Post reported on Monday.

As part of the vetting process, Justice Department applicants have been required to gush over their favorite Trump executive order or policy and detail how they would move it forward, the Post reported.

Career positions like those at the DOJ are designed to be nonpoliticalbut experts described this question as a workaround.

Even though that question doesnt ask if you are Republican, the spirit of that question asks for the job applicant to give their loyalty to the president, Raymond Limon, an expert in federal labor laws, told the Post.

Trump appointees have also found other ways to align the DOJ with MAGA. In February, Ed Martinwho was then the acting top prosecutor in D.C.wrote a letter to William Treanor, the former dean of Georgetown University Law Center, declaring his office wouldnt hire any talent from a law school that had what Trump officials viewed as DEI policies, the Post reported.

But the politicizing of the Justice Department, a once-prestigious employer, hasnt exactly boosted applicants. The vast majority of the 600 employees in the Civil Rights Division, for example, have left, with only a dozen or so of those career positions replaced, the Post reported.

Still, that hasnt stopped Trump officials from ousting at least 200 people in the DOJ who worked on cases seen as anti-Trump under the Biden administration and are now installing their allies in their place, according to data from Justice Connection. Among those especially targeted are lawyers involved in cases against Jan. 6 rioters and immigration judges.

Now, prospective hires at the DOJ are mostly coming from Republican congressional offices and advocacy groups, sources told the Post. Other candidates are far from qualified for the roles theyre seeking, they added.

In August, Jeanine Pirro, now the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, even appeared on her former employer Fox News as her office was down 90 prosecutors, and pleaded with viewers to email her if they wanted a job.
What we are seeing is a total drop in who is applying, Treanor told the Post. Its gone from a good amount of our graduating class to virtually no one applying for jobs at the Justice Department.

Additionally, roughly two thirds of DOJ lawyers tasked with fielding the constant legal challenges to Trumps policies have quit amid mounting frustration. Around 69 of the 110 lawyers who work in the DOJs Federal Programs Branchwhich responds to lawsuits against the administrationhave left their posts since the 2024 election, Reuters reported in July.

The brain drain from this is going to hurt even if Trump is removed from power. This also likely isn't legal as they are intentionally trying to work around law, but even if a court ruled otherwise we have seen that Trump admin will ignore court orders and push things to SCOTUS to get favorable rulings.
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UnsteadyOwl posted...
I would think the healthcare lobby would be pushing hard to save the ACA subsidies. If those truly go away it's going to hurt both healthcare providers and insurers and cause healthcare costs in general to go up more than they have been already.

They get to raise prices and people can't afford to go without health insurance. It's more money in their pocket.

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LightSnake posted...
I'm still not wavering on the position that with Dems in control of Congress, this doesn't happen at all.

This is true, but people just refuse to keep dems in power despite everything generally being better under their control.

Meanwhile republicans will fight courts to take away money for people to buy food and that never affects their ability to get reelected.
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ssb_yunglink2 posted...
So shutdown is over after this vote?

It still has to go to House for final vote and then signed by president. Tuesday is a Federal Holiday. Likely shutdown won't be officially over until the end of the week.
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kaiolino posted...
If they were controlled opposition, there wouldnt have been a shutdown in the first place. Why is it so unfathomable that there are 10 or so dinosaurs in the Senate who are truly fucking stupid, bad at politics and extremely selfish?

some people just want to make democrats the bad guys. they will complain endless about democrats regardless and never give them credit when they deserve it.
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Enclave posted...
Are you starting to see why I have such a low opinion of Schumer?

I haven't seen anything stating Schumer if behind this so far. The dems currently listed are largely those retiring
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So far from what I've read, it seems like a handful of dems went against leadership to force the shutdown to end and they are largely people retiring.
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I was always a little curious how they were able to afford practically every license under the sun, but I guess the answer was they couldn't.

I'm not really surprised, because places that sell FunkoPops always have a ton of boxes on shelf so clearly were not selling very well.
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name_unknown posted...
Already there are concerns about the squeeze on tourism destination

Tourism has been down since Trump tariffs iirc.
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legendarylemur posted...
That's crazy that Dragonmaids have enough mats to do all that and then summon 5 Headed Dragon lol

He's technically immune to battle destruction too, though the amount of times that battle destruction will come up is probably... maybe 0 in the history of 2 people actually playing yugioh and isn't out to proc it.

The House and Sheou can special summons mats from gy or Lady can summon from deck. Lady being an 8* means that Chamber, Kitchen, and Parlor can summon her from gy. Lady can also recycle from banish. Also you can gather a lot of mats from going into battle phase and summoning the dragonforms and returning the human form to hand.

It's not that difficult to get 5 mats, but it's also not really a good option unless you are already in a good position since you give up a lot of card advantage for it.
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I didn't have many dragon fusions to take advantage of in Dragonmaid. Some of the ones I would run are UR crafts. However, I somehow had a Five-Headed Dragon card in my master duel collection. With Chamber maid's dragon form providing destruction protection to dragon fusions it can be scary.

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Her take is stupid, but I do think a lot of people getting involved in the support of Palestine does not understand the history of the area. And I think it's difficult to provide any long term solutions to Israel/Palestine without understanding the history.
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The distance between everything in space is massive. Either we find a way to transport people for millions of years or find a way to break the speed of light.

So no I don't think this will ever be possible.
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I guess one thing going for the new support is that since the fusion can revive materials used for fusion summoning, you can get bodies for link plays and transition into some other archetype that does something. And the search/fusion spell is a Spellbook card so it has innate support with spellbooks.

The problem is you are now running 4 garnets in your deck to pull this off.
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