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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/biden-son-death-robert-hur-files-b2511310.html

Transcripts of President Joe Bidens two-day interview with Department of Justice investigators shows Mr Biden having far more accurate recall and command of past events than was described in the report authored by Special Counsel Robert Hur.

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Yet the transcript appears not to match up with how Mr Hur described Mr Biden, particularly with regard to his memory.
On the topic of Beau Biden, the president remembered the exact date of his death, with other people in the room mentioning the year.
What month did Beau die? Oh God, May 30, he said.
The exchange took place as Mr Biden was explaining the chronology behind his decision not to seek the presidency in 2016, the year after his son passed away.
While Mr Hur has claimed that Mr Biden did not remember that his son had died in 2015, the transcript does not show that the president could not recall the year in question.

Instead, it shows that two other people interjected with the year after Mr Biden accurately recalled the month and day of Beaus passing.
It was May of 2015, said the person, whose name is not identified in the transcript.
Mr Biden replied in agreement: It was 2015.
His description of the president as being confused about dates appears less accurate when the full transcript of the interview is taken into account.
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So I missed this apparently... Hur resigned from the DOJ a few days ago.

Interesting...

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This some of the most ridiculous crap I've ever seen. Like, a fax machine??? A fax machine hasn't been relevant for about 20 years now. Nobody from Gen Z even knows what the hell that is. This is some incredibly desperate stuff.

Being a head of state and a former senator over the last 50 some years, Biden himself has probably sent a fax maybe about 3 times.
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aarrgus posted...
So I missed this apparently... Hur resigned from the DOJ a few days ago.

Interesting...

Yeah, the guy's coming off as loose with the facts. Let's see how this sorts out, but I smell something "funny" about him.
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Oh wow modern right wing politics making shit up who could have seen this coming oh god oh man
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No way would a Trump-appointee lie about something. Why ever would they do such a thing?!

Lol

I heard some of the hearing today with him before Congress. Sounds like both sides were shitting on him for their own reasons and the responses he was giving were just as slimy and responsibility avoidant as you'd expect from someone who released that politically charged report.

aarrgus posted...
So I missed this apparently... Hur resigned from the DOJ a few days ago.

Interesting...

Good, fuck that guy.

I only wish it had been Garland forcing him out for giving such an unprofessional and clearly partisan report.
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You mean the guy who was a lifelong Republican and made his career working under prominent Republicans was misleading when it came to his spin on the transcript of this interview? NO. Behold my shocked face.

There was another thread here when the report first came out where a TC tried to tell everyone how damming this all was. I asked why we should trust the spin of someone with Hurs resume, but never got a real response for some reason.
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After the report was released, Biden disputed Hur's statement that he didn't remember the year his son Beau Biden died.

"When I was asked the question, I thought to myself: It wasn't any of their damn business," Biden said in February.

The transcript, however, shows that Biden himself brought up his son, not Hur, and that he did have trouble recalling that Beau died in 2015 until White House lawyer Rachel Cotton helped.

While talking about the years 2017 and 2018, Biden said: "Remember, in this time frame, my son is either been deployed or is dying" and adds: "And, and so what was happening, though what month did Beau die? Oh, God, May 30 " before Cotton offered that it was in 2015.

The interview took place on Oct. 8 and 9, as Biden was responding to the attack on Israel.

The White House has argued that Hur's report was gratuitous and motivated by partisanship given that Trump nominated him to be a U.S. attorney.

Biden's team has also noted that he had excellent recall in several other parts of the interview, and argued that the missteps were exaggerated and cherry-picked.

Hur's report contends that Biden's mental lapses were necessary to document in order to explain why he didn't charge Biden with any crimes relating to his handling of classified documents.


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aarrgus posted...
So I missed this apparently... Hur resigned from the DOJ a few days ago.

Interesting...

He already did what he was supposed to.
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Still dont get why republicans face no consequences for their bullshit. Resigning isnt a punishment.
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Westernwolf4 posted...
You mean the guy who was a lifelong Republican and made his career working under prominent Republicans was misleading when it came to his spin on the transcript of this interview? NO. Behold my shocked face.

There was another thread here when the report first came out where a TC tried to tell everyone how damming this all was. I asked why we should trust the spin of someone with Hurs resume, but never got a real response for some reason.

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LightHawKnight posted...
Still dont get why republicans face no consequences for their bullshit. Resigning isnt a punishment.
What punishment for what crime?
GOP has weaponized standards since Nixon got taken down for Watergate. They only pretend Democrats doing anything is a problem.
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ButteryMales posted...
What punishment for what crime?

So you can only punish someone who commits a crime now?
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I work for the govt and can't remember what fucking day it is or some irrelevant person's first name like 3% of the time with the nonsense that goes on at full speed.

Stopped giving a shit about memory. It's about action and having people in the network at least giving 1 second reminders.

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Wow, so it was all bullshit meant to make Biden look bad? Bet no Republicans will acknowledge this at all. Just continue with the memory problems narrative. We need to stop handling these con artists with kid gloves.

TheSuperSilver posted...
This some of the most ridiculous crap I've ever seen. Like, a fax machine??? A fax machine hasn't been relevant for about 20 years now. Nobody from Gen Z even knows what the hell that is. This is some incredibly desperate stuff.
You'd be surprised. I work for the state of California and we send and receive faxes every day. If we need to request anything from fire departments, police departments, hospitals, etc., we send the request via fax. Hell one of the fire safety offices will outright refuse requests sent via email and tell us to fax them.
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LightHawKnight posted...
So you can only punish someone who commits a crime now?
No. What punishment for what wrongdoing? Do you just want a press release saying "Hur can't resign because Hur's fired!"?
One of the most effective ways to combat this is not doing Republican's dirty work by giving an ounce of credibility what they have to say on Biden's mental state. This is how they imbed false narratives into the minds of common Americans so that people only catch on to the extent they were deceived once it's too late and admitting naivety is too much a cost on one's sense of self-pride. It's like watching the James Comey bullshit happen all over again as if no one could ever know any better.
Going by the transcript it looks like there was a 3rd party involved in the interview? He was probably trying to present it as "oh, he needed a reminder of the date, therefore he musta forgot!"
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SauI_Goodman posted...
"oh, he needed a reminder of the date, therefore he musta forgot!"
Reminders are for things you forget.

I don't keep track of any dates beyond my birthday which includes the passing of loved ones. Not a son but in the immediate family.

I feel bad just saying it non-descriptly, I'm just trying to get across that I sympathize with Biden and it's not horrible he would forget a date something horrible happened. I'm not old so I also believe this isn't proof Biden is too old to do his job.

In the end Hur isn't making shit up. If I was asked the dates of my loved ones passing I would also ask for a reminder. I forgot would be the truth.
Biden forgetting some things isn't a big deal, but it's very weird that he couldn't remember if he was Vice President in 2009 or not. That's basic U.S. history.
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Pow_Pow_Punishment posted...
Biden forgetting some things isn't a big deal, but it's very weird that he couldn't remember if he was Vice President in 2009 or not. That's basic U.S. history.

This topic is telling you that that isn't real.
Kradek posted...
No way would a Trump-appointee lie about something. Why ever would they do such a thing?!
Keep in mind that Hur's thesis was ultimately not to charge Biden, which made right-wingers mad at him. I know I'm kind of defending Hur in this topic, but in Biden's defense he handed over his documents while Trump did not, which is the key difference that Hur correctly saw.
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CheshireSimper posted...
This topic is telling you that that isn't real.
Yeah, given what we know, I'm betting it was something like:

Hur: *Asks something really specific about Biden being VP in 2009*
Biden: "Well I can't remember the specifics, but...
Hur: "Biden can't remember his time as VP in 2009!"
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Pow_Pow_Punishment posted...
in Biden's defense he handed over his documents while Trump did not, which is the key difference that Hur correctly saw.

He saw it that way, but he didn't frame it that way. He said convicting him would be difficult because he's an affable old man with a faulty memory. He instead dishonestly tailored his report so it could be weaponized against Biden.
NoxObscuras posted...
Yeah, given what we know, I'm betting it was something like:

Hur: *Asks something really specific about Biden being VP in 2009*
Biden: "Well I can't remember the specifics, but...
Hur: "Biden can't remember his time as VP in 2009!"
It's Biden's line from the transcript: ...in 2009, am I still vice president?

darkace77450 posted...
He saw it that way, but he didn't frame it that way. He said convicting him would be difficult because he's an affable old man with a faulty memory. He instead dishonestly tailored his report so it could be weaponized against Biden.
Huh? He did frame it that way. From Hur's report: "Most notably, after being given multiple chances to return classified documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite. According to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for months, but he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about it."
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NoxObscuras posted...
Wow, so it was all bullshit meant to make Biden look bad? Bet no Republicans will acknowledge this at all. Just continue with the memory problems narrative. We need to stop handling these con artists with kid gloves.

You'd be surprised. I work for the state of California and we send and receive faxes every day. If we need to request anything from fire departments, police departments, hospitals, etc., we send the request via fax. Hell one of the fire safety offices will outright refuse requests sent via email and tell us to fax them.

yeah, government and healthcare is way behind on communication technology.
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Pow_Pow_Punishment posted...
Keep in mind that Hur's thesis was ultimately not to charge Biden, which made right-wingers mad at him. I know I'm kind of defending Hur in this topic, but in Biden's defense he handed over his documents while Trump did not, which is the key difference that Hur correctly saw.

Yeah I know, Republicans are livid over it. Both sides were pissed at him in that hearing, and rightfully so.

There's 100% no reason to defend Hur at all or in any capacity. The transcript of the deposition shows he referred to Biden as having a "photographic memory", his report calls him an old man riddled with memory issue.

It was a political hit job that hid the fact there was no evidence to charge him on page 200 and spent the time until then insulting Biden for Republican fodder.

Fuck that guy.
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Kradek posted...
Yeah I know, Republicans are livid over it. Both sides were pissed at him in that hearing, and rightfully so.

There's 100% no reason to defend Hurr at all or in any capacity. The transcript of the deposition shows he referred to Biden as having a "photographic memory", his report calls him an old man riddled with memory issue.

It was a political hit job that hid the fact there was no evidence to charge him on page 200 and spent the time until then insulting Biden for Republican fodder.

Fuck that guy.
He told Biden he has a "photographic understanding and recall of the house", so that was a specific example. I think it's reasonable to acknowledge that Biden can remember certain things well but be critical of other examples he can't remember, like if he was VP in 2009.

And I would assume the conclusion of Hur's findings would come late into the report. It's not like the report is a news article for public consumption and putting important info at the end is going to bury the lead. The yes or no question of charging Biden is presumably going to be big news, so its location doesn't really matter: it's GOING to be reported on and the media is how the public will consume that.

I have no skin in this and am definitely not a Republican (in fact, why would you say Republicans are right to be mad at him? Fuck em) so I'm willing to have my mind changed, but it hasn't happened yet.
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Pow_Pow_Punishment posted...
He told Biden he has a "photographic understanding and recall of the house", so that was a specific example. I think it's reasonable to acknowledge that Biden can remember certain things well but be critical of other examples he can't remember, like if he was VP in 2009.

He also lied about Biden not remembering when he son died, when the question asked what month and Biden gave the exact date, May 30th.

Hur is a verified liar and his report was a political smear job. EVERYBODY is saying how improper it is for a prosecutor to say how they assume a jury would respond to a defendant and how wrong he was for including that.

There is no defending him.
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Schiff's response to him was about all that needed to be said. Hur is a piece of shit who acted as a Republican operative, against DOJ rules.

I'm sure he'll fail upwards like everyone else in DC. Probably run for office or some shit like Ronny Jackson.
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Biden brought that up himself and then couldn't remember the year until someone reminded him. I give Biden a pass on that; it's not remembering he was VP in 2009 that's alarming.

The section in the report that deduces how a jury would decide is also preceded by: "there are other innocent explanations for the documents that we cannot refute." In this topic, I was told that Hur's only defense of Biden was framed in a utilitarian way that inappropriately speculated how a jury would decide, but when I read the report for myself, I saw that clearly isn't true and that there's language in the report that stands on its own in defending Biden. I also read some unfair parts, like insinuating that Biden's vulnerable presentation would convince the jury one way, but Hur ALSO mentioned in that same sentence how that applies to his own investigation as well as the jury and that Biden convinced Hur to some degree.
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ButteryMales posted...
No. What punishment for what wrongdoing? Do you just want a press release saying "Hur can't resign because Hur's fired!"?

Yes. You dont get to resign over this shit. You get fired and forced to publicly apologize.
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Republicans have been saying the same shit since 2020 about Biden's memory.

When you're full of shit for that long, fuck what you have to say
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LightHawKnight posted...
ButteryMales posted...
Do you just want a press release saying "Hur can't resign because Hur's fired!"?
Yes. You dont get to resign over this shit.
That's just childish performative bullshit.

LightHawKnight posted...
You get fired and forced to publicly apologize.
You still haven't said what wrongdoing Hur is supposed to apologize for. People only apologize if they're fired for wrongdoings and there's no draconian law to force people to apologize.
ButteryMales posted...
That's just childish performative bullshit.

You still haven't said what wrongdoing Hur is supposed to apologize for. People only apologize if they're fired for wrongdoings and there's no draconian law to force people to apologize.

Childish my ass. Letting the asshole resign and face no consequences is bullshit. It is insane that anyone would defend this fuck.
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Childish my ass. Letting the asshole resign and face no consequences is bullshit. It is insane that anyone would defend this fuck.
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Talking to ROD is as pointless as debating a pigeon.

Fine, tagging him and moving on then.
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