Ronald Reagan vs Donald Trump - which was the worst US president of all time?

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It's very clearly one of these two

Donald Trump is a traitor and incited a failed insurrection but Reagan is at least partially responsible for damn near every problem in the US today so

Whom is worst?
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Where does Andrew Jackson fit in with these two?
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Where does Andrew Jackson fit in with these two?

Trump is worse than Jackson by miles. Trump would have probably supported the south Carolina nullification.
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neither. there were presidents openly corrupt, committed genocide, etc.

Too many out of touch people on this board.
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Raegan, easily.
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Of the two, Reagan.

But there were Presidents a lot worse.
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Definitely Reagan, by a landslide.
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Kimbos_Egg posted...
neither. there were presidents openly corrupt, committed genocide, etc.

Too many out of touch people on this board.
Yeah and two of those were trump and reagan
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Reagan was worse

But Andrew Johnson is probably the worst of them all. Southern "Appeasement" and shitting on Reconstruction which set back black Americans getting rights by decades.
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dancing_cactuar posted...
Andrew Johnson.

Kitt posted...
Andrew Jackson

These are worse, especially Jackson.

Of the "modern" presidents, it's really hard to decide between Trump, GWB, and Reagan for worst. I think Trump is currently the least bad of the 3, but also only had 1 term to do damage and might get a 2nd (vote in 2024!). Probably can't truly answer the poll until Trump's lost in 2024 or had his 2nd term. Also needs time to assess the long term damage properly.
Did Reagan have this same kind of cult level of loyalists? I wonder if all those people who voted for Reagan still believes in him to this day.
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ZMythos posted...
Reagan was worse

But Andrew Johnson is probably the worst of them all. Southern "Appeasement" and shitting on Reconstruction which set back black Americans getting rights by decades.

These things are mostly because of opportunity and not because Johnson was worse. People like Nixon & Trump would have done the exact same shit if they were in office back then.
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Tyranthraxus posted...
These things are mostly because of opportunity and not because Johnson was worse. People like Nixon & Trump would have done the exact same shit if they were in office back then.
Yes but the question is who was the worse president , not the worse person.

Trump's probably a worse person than Johnson ever was. But Johnson's actions caused a ripple effect that has directly influenced the modern political climate.
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Trump is the inevitable consequence of Reagan.

The pandering to extremist religious groups, financial deregulation, and the obliteration of informative and truthful news media begin with Reagan.
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Reagan was a horrible President, and we never get Trump without the Republican corruption that followed from that time. Newt and the 94 Congress perfected their Party acting only in bad faith, and the groundwork for that was laid during the Reagan years. That bad faith acting is why we have Trump now.

But.....Trump is the worst President in my lifetime. He literally tried to overthrow the duly elected government and keep himself installed in power. Even leaving aside the details of the two fully justified impeachments, the constant lying, the years and years of corruption (even before he sought political office) and the 91 indictments-what worse sin can there be against a democracy than to try to install oneself as President after the voters have told you to leave?

I really think that certain corners of the far right normalize 1/6 so much that a lot of people still aren't getting just how big a deal this is. If Trump had succeeded on 1/6-and he came very close to doing so-the democracy that has been the basis of this country for almost 250 years would have been over. Once a clear election result is overturned, that is the ballgame.

I am aware there are Presidents who have committed bigger atrocities in history. I think figuring out where they rank can be an instructive exercise, but I like to restrict myself to Presidents in my lifetime when I think about this.

In my lifetime, Trump has been the worst and it isn't particularly close. Because, while Reagan and GWB were terrible and did awful things (and Clinton did some very bad stuff too), no President since I have been alive has actively tried to let our system of government burn for his own gain. Trump did. That puts him on a whole other level.
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Both were terrible, but I'll always argue that 'dubya' was worse.

Literal War Criminal who got us into bullshit wars that caused thousands upon thousands of pointless deaths, wasted billions of dollars, destroyed the economy by deregulating everything & giving bailouts to evil scummy corporations because they were 'too big to fail' and the housing market is still a complete mess. But people still give him a pass because he seemed likable.
Reagan

We dont get dubya or trump without him
Trump and Dubya are easily by far the two worst, but I feel Trump takes first place in this category. It's his one and only "win" in life.
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Hospy posted...
Reagan

We dont get dubya or trump without him

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Trump, Reagan and GWB were all terrible in their own ways. Its difficult to quantify.
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Jimmy Carter. Hes a great guy though, just not a great leader.
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Hunter Biden

Im glad I didnt vote for him. He didnt disclose having a laptop and that sort of underhanded-ness just cant be trusted in a president.
The worst human is obviously Bush. Worst president is Reagan
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ask a republican who he thinks is the worst president and he'll pick a democrat

ask a democrat who he thinks is the worst and he'll pick a republican
Reagan. Pretty much all the awful stuff thats still going was started by Reagan.
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ask a republican who he thinks is the worst president and he'll pick a democrat

ask a democrat who he thinks is the worst and he'll pick a republican

lol
Reagan. By a lot.
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ask a republican who he thinks is the worst president and he'll pick a democrat

ask a democrat who he thinks is the worst and he'll pick a republican
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just tired of partisan politics
I'd appreciate you not trolling in my topic
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ask a republican who he thinks is the worst president and he'll pick a democrat

ask a democrat who he thinks is the worst and he'll pick a republican

trivialbeing posted...

just tired of partisan politics

You don't understand politics at all. That's fine.
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just tired of partisan politics
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Dubya.

Imagine the utopia wed be living in right now if that idiot was never president.
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Trump was never president.

45 never happened, I take it?
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Reagan is one of the most vile pieces of shit to ever live.

Not that Trump isn't either, but Reagan is near single handedly responsible for gutting the major gains labor had made in the decades prior.
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I think as far as the George W vs Trump debate is concerned, I think that things like the Iraq War were a lot worse than most of what Trump did, but I think that GOP establishment figures had been clamoring for a war with Iraq anyway so I'm not confident that any other Republican wouldn't have used 9/11 for similar goals, whereas I think Trump uniquely fumbled the COVID situation in a way that the people who ran against him in 2016 likely wouldn't have.
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I think as far as the George W vs Trump debate is concerned, I think that things like the Iraq War were a lot worse than most of what Trump did, but I think that GOP establishment figures had been clamoring for a war with Iraq anyway so I'm not confident that any other Republican wouldn't have used 9/11 for similar goals, whereas I think Trump uniquely fumbled the COVID situation in a way that the people who ran against him in 2016 likely wouldn't have.
Yeah, Bush did not handle the situation well, but I don't know that any other president would have worked out much better. But I don't know much about the entire thing, I was fuckin' ten at the time, so I won't try to speak with authority on that.

But Trump didn't just fumble the situation, he actively chose to make it worse.
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pegusus123456 posted...
Yeah, Bush did not handle the situation well, but I don't know that any other president would have worked out much better. But I don't know much about the entire thing, I was fuckin' ten at the time, so I won't try to speak with authority on that.

But Trump didn't just fumble the situation, he actively chose to make it worse.
The fact that every other president would've been just as eager to do war crimes doesn't justify or absolve Bush of his war crimes in any way.

Bush, Obama, Trump and Biden would've all replicated each other's war crimes if they had a chance. That doesn't mean any of them get a free pass for the war crimes they did get the chance to do, its just a separate indictment for each.
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Im not going to be so quick to dismiss Mr. Spoils System Let the Supreme Court enforce the Worchester vs Georgia and screw the national bank from this particular conversation.

I mean theres a reason the symbol of the Democratic party is a donkey.
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
The fact that every other president would've been just as eager to do war crimes doesn't justify or absolve Bush of his war crimes in any way.

Bush, Obama, Trump and Biden would've all replicated each other's war crimes if they had a chance. That doesn't mean any of them get a free pass for the war crimes they did get the chance to do, its just a separate indictment for each.
We're directly comparing how terrible presidents are though. Like obviously what Bush did was bad, but this is a conversation about how bad he was relatively to other presidents and I don't think any of them would have done much better.
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