Current Events > Pokemon Legends: Z-A removed the ability to disable Autosave.

(+) Yeah! (+)

https://x.com/centroleaks/status/1977507566436356579

Confirmed by those who have the game now.

Absolutely no reason to remove this, but this is Game Freak, the clowns who removed the ability to turn off Exp. Share and removed Set mode. Nothing seems to be beneath them.

RIP shiny hunting

tremain07 posted...

RIP shiny hunting

and this is the reason they did it

that and resetting for better natures

and then game freak will get mad when people used hacked pokemon in tournaments even thoe that only happens do to how hard they make it to get competitively viable pokemon

The Pokemon Company seems to want people to play their games the way they intend you to play. Which is silly and not really increasing my desire to buy more pokemon games.

Tmaster148 posted...

The Pokemon Company seems to want people to play their games the way they intend you to play. Which is silly and not really increasing my desire to buy more pokemon games.

You don't like what you like, you like what I tell you to like.

Game Freak and Nintendo both fucking hate their customers lmao

Solar_Crimson posted...

Absolutely no reason to remove this, but this is Game Freak, the clowns who removed the ability to turn off Exp. Share and removed Set mode. Nothing seems to be beneath them.

Tmaster148 posted...

The Pokemon Company seems to want people to play their games the way they intend you to play. Which is silly and not really increasing my desire to buy more pokemon games.

Despised posted...

Game Freak and Nintendo both fucking hate their customers lmao

Ok I'm not going to defend the inability to disable autosave, because it does suck

But can we not do this thing that happens in every topic about Pokemon / Nintendo where we pretend they're the only company to do shit like this

Pokemon fans will unironically defend this

"What if kids turn this off by accident and don't know their game didn't save until its too late?"

refmon posted...

Pokemon fans will unironically defend this

"What if kids turn this off by accident and don't know their game didn't save until its too late?"

I have yet to see anyone defend this.

How annoying this turns out to be will really depend on how often it actually autosaves.

I saw someone with the game early claiming autosaves are much rarer than in S/V but then someone else said they were lying, so who knows?

Curious to see how it hits shiny hunting, whatever the new hunting method may be. They do at least sparkle on the field now.

AceMos posted...

and this is the reason they did it

that and resetting for better natures

and then game freak will get mad when people used hacked pokemon in tournaments even thoe that only happens do to how hard they make it to get competitively viable pokemon

They have made it incredibly easy to get competive Pokmon. The days of resetting for Nature and IVs are over. Cosmetics are the only thing to reset for now.

Take a standard shitty wild caught Pokmon:

Give it a Mint to change its Nature.
Use a Capsule/Patch to get the right Ability.
Hypertrain it for perfect IVs.
Stuff it full of Vitamins to get the EVs you want.

Voil! Perfect competitive Pokmon. No resetting necessary. You don't even have to breed it if you don't want to. That's one area where GF have made life a whole lot easier.

Legitimately don't understand why so many keep up with a franchise forever with its head in the mud.

ai123 posted...

They have made it incredibly easy to get competive Pokmon. They days of resetting for Nature and IVs are over. Cosmetics are the only thing to reset for now.

Take a standard shitty wild caught Pokmon:

Give it a Mint to change its Nature.
Use a Capsule/Patch to get the right Ability.
Hypertrain it for perfect IVs.
Stuff it full of Vitamins to get the EVs you want.

Voil! Perfect competitive Pokmon. No resetting necessary. You don't even have to breed it if you don't want to. That's one area where GF have made life a whole lot easier.

Easy if you have the resources particularly since you still need to grind. And that's not getting into min-nading IVs

TMOG posted...

Ok I'm not going to defend the inability to disable autosave, because it does suck

But can we not do this thing that happens in every topic about Pokemon / Nintendo where we pretend they're the only company to do shit like this

I honestly can't think of any company who has done a thing akin to making the exp share mandatory.

Wow that is terrible and sounds absolutely pointless to even remove.

K181 posted...

Legitimately don't understand why so many keep up with a franchise forever with its head in the mud.

The pokemon IP and nintendo in general is straight up blessed to have one of the most feverishly loyal and defensive fanbases imaginable.

TMOG posted...

Ok I'm not going to defend the inability to disable autosave, because it does suck

But can we not do this thing that happens in every topic about Pokemon / Nintendo where we pretend they're the only company to do shit like this

This is a topic about the pokemon game. We don't need to bring up faults of other AAA studios into pokemon topics.

Rath_Attack posted...

I have yet to see anyone defend this.

"99% of players never needed to reload their save anyway" is something I've seen someone say in relation to this

TMOG posted...

But can we not do this thing that happens in every topic about Pokemon / Nintendo where we pretend they're the only company to do shit like this

I don't think I have ever seen a gamer in random pokemon topics on current events that would for whatever reason actually deny the fact that other devs aside from gamefreak and corps aside from nintendo that also has a tendency for dumb decisions.

I don't know..... considering all of the posts in this topic so far this topic really isn't suited for a well what about the other guys doing XX type of thing.

DodogamaRayBrst posted...

I honestly can't think of any company who has done a thing akin to making the exp share mandatory.

Fallout 4 simplified the dialogue choices to three or four options rather than a wide variety based on your stats

Mortal Kombat became an always-online franchise that uses gear/skin drops as FOMO

Final Fantasy became an action game instead of a turn-based RPG

Dissidia turned into mobile gacha slop

Rock Band 4 removed keyboard tracks from songs

The Sims removes multiple gameplay features with every new game so they can resell them as DLC for the third or fourth time in a row

Civilization 6 and 7 overcomplicate things and remove/change features that people loved about prior games (especially 5) arbitrarily

...and so on.

Like I said, I'm not defending this change, but it's really tiresome to constantly have people pretend Nintendo is a unique evil in the world.

I don't think those things are remotely comparable. And I don't think the exp share thing makes Nintendo evil, uniquely or otherwise.

Rath_Attack posted...

Easy if you have the resources particularly since you still need to grind. And that's not getting into min-nading IVs

Yes, you still have to play the game a bit. Still way better than soft resetting for days in front of a Legendary with a low catch rate.

Making competitive teams is so much easier than it was in any previous Gen. It was a fucking nightmare up until XY/SM.

ai123 posted...

Yes, you still have to play the game a bit. Still way better than soft resetting for days in front of a Legendary with a low catch rate.

Making competitive teams is so much easier than it was in any previous Gen. It was a fucking nightmare up until XY/SM.

People still do that for varying reasons.

tremain07 posted...

RIP shiny hunting

Not really? People who have played the game have said that finding shinies is pretty easy (they brought back the chime and sparkle from Arceus, and they also have the shiny sparkles on them from Let's Go), and it only autosaves if you catch a Pokemon. So if something goes wrong while trying to catch a shiny and you fail it, you can reset to the last save.

Rath_Attack posted...

People still do that for varying reasons.

OK?

I was replying to the claim that GF were making it harder to get competitive Pokmon, while the reality is that they have made it very much easier with each successive generation.

Yeah they've definitely made it much easier to get both competitive Pokemon and shinies, this isn't a decision made to make getting those harder. This is just GF being boneheads, it's not malice.

CTrunks posted...

Not really? People who have played the game have said that finding shinies is pretty easy (they brought back the chime and sparkle from Arceus, and they also have the shiny sparkles on them from Let's Go), and it only autosaves if you catch a Pokemon. So if something goes wrong while trying to catch a shiny and you fail it, you can reset to the last save.

If this is the way it works it sounds like you can just manual save when you see a shiny just like S/V and reload if it dies.

Weird and dumb.

CTrunks posted...

Not really? People who have played the game have said that finding shinies is pretty easy (they brought back the chime and sparkle from Arceus, and they also have the shiny sparkles on them from Let's Go), and it only autosaves if you catch a Pokemon. So if something goes wrong while trying to catch a shiny and you fail it, you can reset to the last save.

I have heard that the pokemon running will also cause it to autosave.

Cant wait to catch the box legendary with a hardy nature

Murphiroth posted...

If this is the way it works it sounds like you can just manual save when you see a shiny just like S/V and reload if it dies.

That's the neat thing, it doesn't die. Instead of disabling autosave, they made it so that shinies never despawn in the world. You can KO shinies, you can leave and come back to the area, close the game whatever, the shiny will always be in the overworld until you catch it.

From what I understand, the only reason you need to care about IVs nowadays is if you are one of the best VGC players and you want like a 16 speed IV so you outspeed some thing but underspeed some other thing or are trying to minimize foul play damage on a dark weak pokemon so you want an IV below a certain number.

uwnim posted...

From what I understand, the only reason you need to care about IVs nowadays is if you are one of the best VGC players and you want like a 16 speed IV so you outspeed some thing but underspeed some other thing or are trying to minimize foul play damage on a dark weak pokemon so you want an IV below a certain number.

To be fair that has always been the case with IV's and EV's. Unless you are doing competitive battling or a nuzlocke EV's, nature and IV's don't really matter.

That doesn't mean that Pokemon shouldn't be doing better at making those things easier to achieve for the players it matters for, which they have but still have more progress to go. And hopefully the new Pokemon Champions game will make it even better.

MNThunder posted...

To be fair that has always been the case with IV's and EV's. Unless you are doing competitive battling or a nuzlocke EV's, nature and IV's don't really matter.

That doesn't mean that Pokemon shouldn't be doing better at making those things easier to achieve for the players it matters for, which they have but still have more progress to go. And hopefully the new Pokemon Champions game will make it even better.

I'm hoping for fully customizable Pokmon in Champions. Which is presumably going to become the vehicle for online/competitive.

tremain07 posted...

RIP shiny hunting

Someone made a post on the ZA reddit saying that shinies won't despawn aside from completely leaving the area or KOing them. Said they went out of range, waited for time to shift, and other tests and it didn't despawn.

ai123 posted...

OK?

I was replying to the claim that GF were making it harder to get competitive Pokmon, while the reality is that they have made it very much easier with each successive generation.

Who made that claim? The general viewpoint has consistently been "two steps forward, one step back", usually because while things do become easier it's also comes with added annoyance (sometimes due to a removal).

Rath_Attack posted...

Who made that claim? The general viewpoint has consistently been "two steps forward, one step back", usually because while things do become easier it's also comes with added annoyance (sometimes due to a removal).

Post #3.

What have they done to make getting competitive Pokmon more difficult?

Is there no manual save?

AceMos posted...

and this is the reason they did it

that and resetting for better natures

and then game freak will get mad when people used hacked pokemon in tournaments even thoe that only happens do to how hard they make it to get competitively viable pokemon

I mean they've repeatedly made it easier to do shiny hunting with features dedicated specifically to it. Thus very game made it so shinies don't despawn specifically due to autosaves. It's dumb to remove the option but it's not to kill shiny hunting or something

As for comp it's all moving to champions where EVs are fully customizable and IVs are getting axed so again, making it easier there

K181 posted...

Legitimately don't understand why so many keep up with a franchise forever with its head in the mud.

Yeah same. I stopped after Gen 3, but did play HGSS as well as Sword/Shield to damn near 100% completion. HGSS is a masterpiece, but Sword/Shield were insanely janky, and the graphics and performance were pathetic compared to other games released in the same year.

I'll be content with replaying Gens 1-3 til the end of time at this point. The franchise clearly has moved to shovelware territory.

Tmaster148 posted...

The Pokemon Company seems to want people to play their games the way they intend you to play. Which is silly and not really increasing my desire to buy more pokemon games.

Thats an issue with Nintendo and all things related to them as a whole. The recent Mario Kurt game being a recent example.

Hell they only embraced the smash series competitive aspect begrudgingly after brawl. Releasing balance patchs.but with no notes gave me passive aggressive vibes personally.

Tmaster148 posted...

The Pokemon Company seems to want people to play their games the way they intend you to play. Which is silly and not really increasing my desire to buy more pokemon games.

I've seen people on here argue very passionately in favour of 'honouring the creator's vision, and playing the game as intended', often adding that if you don't like it 'maybe this game is not for you!'.

Not me though. I am in favour of players having the greatest possible choice over how they play the games they buy.

mehmeh1 posted...

IVs are getting axed so again, making it easier there

This isn't even a good thing, it limits creativity. It limits the strat against Foul Play, it limits Gyro Ball somewhat, it limit speed strats in general, Life Orb control, can't control UB's their highest stat as much.

lucariopikmin posted...

This isn't even a good thing, it limits creativity. It limits the strat against Foul Play, it limits Gyro Ball somewhat, it limit speed strats in general, Life Orb control, can't control UB's their highest stat as much.

Those are fair points. Leaving the option to fine tune would be preferable.

After they removed the ability to turn exp share off, nothing really surprises me.

Pokemon is a series you enjoy despite Game freak, not thanks to them

ai123 posted...

They have made it incredibly easy to get competive Pokmon. The days of resetting for Nature and IVs are over. Cosmetics are the only thing to reset for now.

Take a standard shitty wild caught Pokmon:

Give it a Mint to change its Nature.
Use a Capsule/Patch to get the right Ability.
Hypertrain it for perfect IVs.
Stuff it full of Vitamins to get the EVs you want.
Egg Moves? Buy a Mirror Herb.

Voil! Perfect competitive Pokmon. No resetting necessary. You don't even have to breed it if you don't want to. That's one area where GF have made life a whole lot easier.

Easier. Don't pretend those are quick or easy and not their own grinds to get the needed resources.

Sir_Will posted...

Easier. Don't pretend those are quick or easy and not their own grinds to get the needed resources.

Most competitive players still test teams on showdown before they commit to building a team in game for a tournament, because it still takes quite a bit of time to make a team and making changes last minute is hard to do.

Tmaster148 posted...

Most competitive players still test teams on showdown before they commit to building a team in game for a tournament, because it still takes quite a bit of time to make a team and making changes last minute is hard to do.

Well, yes. Showdown is fully and quickly customisable. So unless GF provides a way to own any Pokmon instantly and change all of its stats without needing any resources, Showdown will always be quicker and easier. Maybe Campions will do it.

But GF have done a lot over the last 3 Gens to take the pain out of getting competitive Pokmon, and I dunno why people seem to begrudge acknowledging even that.

Remember RNG for Legendaries?
Remember having to feed 50 Rare Candies to a Pokmon and using an online calculator to get an accurate-ish idea of what the IVs were?

lucariopikmin posted...

This isn't even a good thing, it limits creativity. It limits the strat against Foul Play, it limits Gyro Ball somewhat, it limit speed strats in general, Life Orb control, can't control UB's their highest stat as much.

Tbh I feel it's to get casual players into it as well, having two separate values to control your mons' stats would be confusing for them. The entire point of IVs gameplay-wise is to make each individual pokemon you get more unique, which isn't really necessary in a battle sim

ai123 posted...

They have made it incredibly easy to get competive Pokmon. The days of resetting for Nature and IVs are over. Cosmetics are the only thing to reset for now.

Take a standard shitty wild caught Pokmon:

Give it a Mint to change its Nature.
Use a Capsule/Patch to get the right Ability.
Hypertrain it for perfect IVs.
Stuff it full of Vitamins to get the EVs you want.
Egg Moves? Buy a Mirror Herb.

Voil! Perfect competitive Pokmon. No resetting necessary. You don't even have to breed it if you don't want to. That's one area where GF have made life a whole lot easier.

yeah, loved sword and shield dlc for this reason. Was easy to get a shiny charizard and espeon.

ai123 posted...

Remember RNG for Legendaries?

that's actually *kinda* back because the SV old legendaries in Indigo Disk for some confusing reason don't come with 3 guaranteed 31IVs. But well bottle caps are easy to get in SV anyway

no reason to shiny lock them tho, getting previously locked legends has always been a big part of the whole "get all the previous legends" thing

Sir_Will posted...

Easier. Don't pretend those are quick or easy and not their own grinds to get the needed resources.

it is easy, but its not instant. I have like a box full of competitive ready Pokemon, back in gen 3 that wouldven been impossible