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El_Dustino
09/28/25 5:42:00 PM
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But they make being annoying look so fun lol

I'll think about it. This topic is a wash anyways.

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DUKLegend
09/28/25 5:59:42 PM
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asdf8562 posted...
Its not "yesterday's enemies" when the same usuals in the past and now still bash Democrats more than Republicans.

Here, it's more productive to point out the flaws of the Dem party than just piling on Trump. Living in an echo chamber won't accomplish much. Trump's evil is very clear, especially to people here. But a lot of liberals or Dem party loyalists have a blind spot or turn a blind eye to the team they put their stock into. The only "team" that you should bat for is that of humanity. I know that sounds lame and righteous, but it's true. It's also not useless to fight for better than what you're getting. History has taught us that it's possible.
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El_Dustino
09/28/25 6:04:24 PM
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DUKLegend posted...
Here, it's more productive to point out the flaws of the Dem party than just piling on Trump. Living in an echo chamber won't accomplish much. Trump's evil is very clear, especially to people here. But a lot of liberals or Dem party loyalists have a blind spot or turn a blind eye to the team they put their stock into. The only "team" that you should bat for is that of humanity. I know that sounds lame and righteous, but it's true. It's also not useless to fight for better than what you're getting. History has taught us that it's possible.
I think this is a reasonable take.

My issue with some dems and people who support them is they seem to prioritize loyalty to the party over loyalty to the people.

The goal of criticizing them is to try to convince them to move to the left of where they are because that is objectively the correct way to move.

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Dungeater
09/28/25 6:23:22 PM
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i read the whole topic. it wasnt worth it. many people here post like robots

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Heineken14
09/28/25 6:25:47 PM
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Dungeater posted...
i read the whole topic. it wasnt worth it. many people here post like robots

No you do!

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LightSnake
09/28/25 7:01:48 PM
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DUKLegend posted...
Here, it's more productive to point out the flaws of the Dem party than just piling on Trump. Living in an echo chamber won't accomplish much. Trump's evil is very clear, especially to people here. But a lot of liberals or Dem party loyalists have a blind spot or turn a blind eye to the team they put their stock into. The only "team" that you should bat for is that of humanity. I know that sounds lame and righteous, but it's true. It's also not useless to fight for better than what you're getting. History has taught us that it's possible.

I agree it's fair to criticize Dems. I don't think "do it honestly" is a high bar.

And it's also frustrating that the "fight for better" is applied to them when they're in the minority and don't have the power to do it.

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A_Good_Boy
09/28/25 7:06:02 PM
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The paddles certainly don't help.

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El_Dustino
09/28/25 7:10:11 PM
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LightSnake posted...
I agree it's fair to criticize Dems. I don't think "do it honestly" is a high bar.

And it's also frustrating that the "fight for better" is applied to them when they're in the minority and don't have the power to do it.
They have power. They can be hosting rallies, town halls, engaging with their constituents, doing social media campaigns, outreach work, there's so much they can be doing. Some are doing these things (mostly Bernie and AOC) but not enough are.

Constantly saying things like "we have no power, we can't do anything, we need to roll over and play dead until the Republicans hang themselves" is NOT a winning strategy. When the Republicans were out of power they didn't do that, it comes off very insincere when the dems do it.

They can still project strength even when they don't have the power to block votes.

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LightSnake
09/28/25 7:13:17 PM
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The issue is when they do this, nobody notices or cares.

And even when they rpoject strength (which again, is so nebulous) we have people who ignore it or mock it. Again, see Jeffries filibuster (not a direct actual filibuster, but still)

Also, Republicans out of power also didn't do very much? In IRA negotiations, most everything was handled with Manchin and Sinema while the Republicans just whined they were being cut out.

Also, Bernie's "hold town halls" is what it is, let's be real: testing the waters for 2028. Just because it's a bad idea doesn't mean we shouldn't call it what it is

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El_Dustino
09/28/25 7:23:25 PM
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It may not be entirely fair to him, but Jeffries is poison. His brand is tainted. We should commend the good things he does, but no one likes him, the chance of him redeeming himself in the eyes of the people is basically zero. He is bad for the party.

Trump didn't shut up after he his coup attempt failed. And the congressional repug ghouls were still out there attacking the dems in power. To be fair though, they didn't need to do much in congress since Manchin and Sinema did their jobs for them.

Which is another thing, the democrats REALLY need to get better at calling out bad actors in their party.

I honestly can not imagine Bernie doing this to run in 2028. Dude's like a billion years old.

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mybbqrules
09/28/25 7:28:31 PM
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LightSnake posted...
shock has admitted he was wrong. I think we can lay off this now
I don't recall seeing pigs fly at any point, so I would need to see receipts here. I blocked them because they refuse to have any attitude other than "I'm smugly right about everything, even when I'm wrong."

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LightSnake
09/28/25 8:31:28 PM
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I'm just curious....how did you come to the conclusion Jeffries is irreparably tainted? People did use to say the same thing about Pelosi.

And Democrats do attack Republicans. For all my dislike of Manchin, he did get the Infrastructure bill through. No Republicans would've voted for the stimulus or the IRA

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El_Dustino
09/28/25 8:42:11 PM
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Manchin got halfish* of the Infrastructure bill through.

Pelosi at least had some spine. Jeffries is pathetic, he inspires nothing but contempt. Pelosi was also bad, we shouldn't try to paint her as great just because she was a lot better than Jeffries. Unlike Pelosi, I have not met a single person who had anything favorable to say about him. Liberals and leftists alike, so far as I have seen, hate Jeffries.

I will give Jeffries that he is not as evil as Schumer is.

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LightSnake
09/28/25 9:02:54 PM
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Pelosi was quite literally one of the best Speakers in house history who convinced her caucus to vote for Obamacare even though many knew it would cost her job. She impeached Trump twice, resisted Bush heavily and beat Trump badly.

I see no reason to call Pelosi "bad."

And Manchin was responsible for a big part of the infrastructure bill because he outplayed McConnell hard

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LightSnake
09/28/25 10:10:55 PM
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Pelosi was despised. Her personal approval rating was never high. People throughout considered her a lefty radical. We heard for years she was responsible for dem losses in the midterms.

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El_Dustino
09/28/25 10:54:53 PM
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I would agree with this. She didn't ask the people "What do you want me to do, we don't have power T_T" like Jeffries has.

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sfcalimari
09/29/25 12:20:03 AM
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mybbqrules posted...
I don't recall seeing pigs fly at any point, so I would need to see receipts here. I blocked them because they refuse to have any attitude other than "I'm smugly right about everything, even when I'm wrong."

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El_Dustino
09/29/25 12:30:04 AM
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Kaldrenthebold
09/29/25 2:48:29 PM
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I'm out of the loop, what is this cog stuff

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09/29/25 2:59:07 PM
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never mind

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asdf8562
09/29/25 3:12:47 PM
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Kaldrenthebold posted...
I'm out of the loop, what is this cog stuff
It means 'Champions of Gaza.'

It refers to the usual people that claimed to care about the genocide in Gaza, but did everything in their power to aid Republicans win 2024.... who are much worse for Gaza. All the while having every excuse under the sun to be less critical of those same Republicans, and every excuse under the sun to protest Republicans less. Again, those same people won't miss a beat to be critical and protest Democrats at a far greater rate and severity.

In otherwords, the people more invested in appearing like they care, but their actions show the complete opposite given they seem to be less active against Republicans.... you know, the party holding the White House, majority in Congress, and Supreme Court. We have a few of those usuals even in this topic.

For example, the people that were protesting Obama, a guy who hasn't been president since 8 years ago..... instead of Trump (the current president), Vance (thr VP), Mike Johnson (the GOP Speaker)..... practically any sitting GOP congressman on a larger scale. In fact these people have loads of excuses to protest and criticize them equally or less than Democrats.
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Kaldrenthebold
09/29/25 3:27:02 PM
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Ah, alright, I must have missed when that memo came around cause I was very confused reading through this topic.

Well thanks for the explanations! I have nothing important to add other than Jefferies said something stupid about praising Cuomo and still not endorsing Mamdani in the NYC race so that's my annoyance with him.

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09/29/25 3:27:22 PM
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Kaldrenthebold posted...
I'm out of the loop, what is this cog stuff

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asdf8562
09/29/25 3:34:16 PM
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Unless that user has a history of being more critical of Democrats than Republicans, he didnt make the list. Simply being critical of Democrats isnt the only criteria to get you called that, and you are aware that by now.

You definitely have been explained who in specific is being called a Champion of Gaza.
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mybbqrules
09/29/25 8:48:28 PM
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El_Dustino posted...
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Totally doesn't hate democrats, you guys. No sirree.

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El_Dustino
09/29/25 9:08:17 PM
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Yeah it is mildly annoying, I get weirdos telling me how I helped Trump win and wanted him to win and was constantly saying "Genocide Joe" and "Killer Kamala" and shit and like, I checked my post history, I never even commented on Harris' campaign at all, never said either phrase, never supported or even mentioned the protest voters, and told the leftists here to turn their energy from hating on liberals to convincing others to vote blue. When I complain about the dems I get whined at about not complaining about Republicans, when I complain about Republicans or bad things happening in Gaza I get purity tested and told I actually support what is happening.

Some people here just want to start fights, I just wish they had the self awareness to see it, but I imagine a number are aware and are just trolling.

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Kaldrenthebold
09/29/25 11:49:34 PM
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D:

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asdf8562
09/30/25 10:00:41 AM
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Now you are on a victim complex.

I didnt harass you, and frankly dont recall whether or not you were part of the group that did as I described posts ago.

That said, if you were among that group (Kain, Thanatos, Dustin, Zell, Dio), claiming you voted for Kamala or donated to her means nothing if again, you constantly messaged criticism of Democrats more than Republicans. Pretending to be left, while conveniently always being more critical of Democrats over Republicans isnt a new strategy.

Your (i use the word your and you to speak in general) claimed actions do not overshadow your literal actions all can actually see of having a posting history of attacking Democrats equally or less than Republicans. Then having all the excuses in the world to not attack Republicans more.

Again, I dont follow/remember your posts enough to put you in either or camp. Another user here might be able to chime in on that one. But the other users I listed, definitely have a track record which is exactly why they are called Champions of Gaza. Their track record proves they dont actually care, as they tend to be less present when it comes to holding Republicans accountable.

Criticism of Democrats is one thing. Having a pattern of being more critical of Democrats than Republicans, and having every excuse under the sun why you dont want to be critical of Republicans.... is another. Champions of Gaza fall into the latter camp.
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Dio
09/30/25 10:11:49 AM
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You sound like a lunatic. You didn't criticize Trump enough therefore you're MAGA. We voted for Harris but she wasn't fucking immune to criticism. This is a democracy not a fucking cult where we blindly worship people.

What the fuck more do you want from us? Attack Trump 24/7 or you're MAGA? Fuck off. I'll keep questioning Democrats. if that makes me a bad person I can live with that. Part of healthy democracy is questioning our politicians.

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Tmaster148
09/30/25 10:12:42 AM
#139:


Dio posted...
You sound like a lunatic. You didn't criticize Trump enough therefore you're MAGA. We voted for Harris but she wasn't fucking immune to criticism. This is a democracy not a fucking cult where we blindly worship people.

What the fuck more do you want from us? Attack Trump 24/7 or you're MAGA? Fuck off. I'll keep questioning Democrats. if that makes me a bad person I can live with that. Part of healthy democracy is questioning our politicians.

What democracy is left? It was literally an election about keeping democracy and you guys still felt it was more important to focus on how Harris was bad.

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LightSnake
09/30/25 10:15:29 AM
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When did Dio focus on "HARRIS BAD?"

I genuinely don't remember them being anti-Harris

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El_Dustino
09/30/25 10:17:28 AM
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You know I'd find the people who rush into topics about the IDF mulching children to say "but her laugh" like it's the height of comedy and making a tired dunk is more important than the children being mulched are the ones proving they don't care, but that is just me.

I criticize the democrats more because they're our only way out of this and we need them to be better.

(And also due to everyone being in agreement on Republicans being terrible, when everything has already said everything I would say I don't always feel the need to post because I'd effectively just be quoting people and saying "this" in so many topics.)

EDIT: Also I literally never criticized Kamala until after the election, which makes this nonsense more eyerolling.

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Heineken14
09/30/25 10:20:10 AM
#142:


El_Dustino posted...
I criticize the democrats more because they're our only way out of this and we need them to be better.

And yet, we completely hamstrung their ability to do anything worthwhile because we wanted them to be perfect. That'll show 'em!

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El_Dustino
09/30/25 10:21:39 AM
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Heineken14 posted...
And yet, we completely hamstrung their ability to do anything worthwhile because we wanted them to be perfect. That'll show 'em!

Not sure who "we" is.

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09/30/25 10:23:28 AM
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El_Dustino posted...
Not sure who "we" is.

The collective "we". The American people removed their ability to do anything by either voting for Trump and the GOP, voting third party, or not voting.


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09/30/25 10:24:29 AM
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LightSnake posted...
When did Dio focus on "HARRIS BAD?"

I genuinely don't remember them being anti-Harris
Ill speak for my post.
Its not about literally coming out and being "anti Harris." As the CoG arent going to be so deliberate.

Its about coming out and consistently being equally or more critical of Harris than Trump. Despite Trump being worse. Trump is now literally in charge, MAGA controls the House, the Senate and the Supreme Court and they still find ways to be less critical of the people literally in power.

We cant act surprised a certain amount of people in this country are uneducated about how bad Trump/MAGA is when there is a concerted effort to hold Democrats to a higher standard than Republicans. Or the concerted effort to be equally or more critical of Democrats than Republicans.

A practice that isnt brand new. A practice that aims to get just enough people to think both sides are about the same if not the same, "so it doesnt matter who wins." And in some regions, outright paint Democrats as worse than Republicans since supposed "Democrats" even criticize Democrats more than Republicans.
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A_Good_Boy
09/30/25 10:26:15 AM
#146:


El_Dustino posted...
You know I'd find the people who rush into topics about the IDF mulching children to say "but her laugh" like it's the height of comedy and making a tired dunk is more important than the children being mulched are the ones proving they don't care, but that is just me.
In the lead up to the election, and afterwards I've seen Palestine go from being the most important issue of our time to also being completely irrelevant and not worth talking about. For CoGs Palestine and Gaza are just like Trumpers and their egg prices; either extremely important or not worth worrying about depending on the particular sentence and how they're being used for spin in any particular moment. So spare me the pearl clutching bullshit, especially if you're the kind of person that told everyone to abandon Democrats because of Palestine just to leave them with the party that ran on finishing the job.

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El_Dustino
09/30/25 10:32:51 AM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
In the lead up to the election, and afterwards I've seen Palestine go from being the most important issue of our time to also being completely irrelevant and not worth talking about. For CoGs Palestine and Gaza are just like Trumpers and their egg prices; either extremely important or not worth worrying about depending on the particular sentence and how they're being used for spin in any particular moment. So spare me the pearl clutching bullshit, especially if you're the kind of person that told everyone to abandon Democrats because of Palestine just to leave them with the party that ran on finishing the job.

I am not the kind of person, one of my only posts here prior to the election was telling leftists to vote blue. As not one of those people, I will criticize when people hypocritically tell others how much they don't care as they treat the genocide as they show their lack of concern.

asdf8562 posted...
Its about coming out and consistently being equally or more critical of Harris than Trump.

Outside of learning from the mistakes of last year literally who the fuck cares about Harris in 2025

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LightSnake
09/30/25 10:35:37 AM
#148:


asdf8562 posted...
Ill speak for my post.
Its not about literally coming out and being "anti Harris." As the CoG arent going to be so deliberate.

Its about coming out and consistently being equally or more critical of Harris than Trump. Despite Trump being worse. Trump is now literally in charge, MAGA controls the House, the Senate and the Supreme Court and they still find ways to be less critical of the people literally in power.

We cant act surprised a certain amount of people in this country are uneducated about how bad Trump/MAGA is when there is a concerted effort to hold Democrats to a higher standard than Republicans. Or the concerted effort to be equally or more critical of Democrats than Republicans.

A practice that isnt brand new. A practice that aims to get just enough people to think both sides are about the same if not the same, "so it doesnt matter who wins." And in some regions, outright paint Democrats as worse than Republicans since supposed "Democrats" even criticize Democrats more than Republicans.

I'm very critical of this attitude, but I don't think it fits Dio

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Board_hunter567
09/30/25 10:43:35 AM
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I just can't understand why people are more upset at Democrats than they are Republicans *proceeds to lose my mind over online leftists despite no evidence pointing to their social media posts being a factor in moderate dominated swing states*

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asdf8562
09/30/25 10:43:58 AM
#150:


El_Dustino posted...
Outside of learning from the mistakes of last year literally who the f*** cares about Harris in 2025
I replied to a post implying CoGs would deliberately come out as anti Harris.

They would never do that as it defeats the plausible deniability they love to hide under. Begrudgingly "supporting" Biden, later Kamala, and later whoever the 2028 Dem candidate while having a pattern of attacking the Dems more than Republicans is a well known strategy at this point.

Again, theres a difference between someone criticizing Democrats (as theres definitely things to criticize)......, and someone who has a history of conveniently and disproportionately attacks Democrat equally if not more than Republicans. And when confronted on that detail, has a laundry list of excuses why they are less critical of Republicans.

We just had a topic about protesting Obama, and to no surprise we can guess who was making excuses why protesting Obama was more lucrative than protesting the people (Republicans) actually in charge of all 3 branches of government.
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Heineken14
09/30/25 10:47:22 AM
#151:


Board_hunter567 posted...
I just can't understand why people are more upset at Democrats than they are Republicans *proceeds to lose my mind over online leftists*

Ahem...

"Because we can change democrats minds! Everyone knows republicans are evil and it's expected of them to be scum!"

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A_Good_Boy
09/30/25 10:48:24 AM
#152:


Heineken14 posted...
Ahem...

"Because we can change democrats minds! Everyone knows republicans are evil and it's expected of them to be scum!"
*crashes an AOC and Bernie rally*

"You guys need to do something!"

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