Current Events > Fake electors in Michigan won't be prosecuted. Cases dismissed

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jefffan
09/09/25 1:07:16 PM
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They continue to get away with it.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/michigan-fake-electors-will-not-face-criminal-trial-judge-rules-rcna230066

Fifteen so-called fake electors in Michigan will not face a criminal trial over their alleged involvement in efforts to overturn former President Joe Biden's 2020 election win in the state, Judge Kristen D. Simmons announced Tuesday.

"These cases will not be bound over to the circuit court," Simmons, a state district court judge, said. "Each case will be dismissed."

Simmons said the Michigan Republicans involved in the effort were trying to seek redress after President Donald Trumps loss and attempted to perform their civic duties.

"The prosecution would like the court to believe that these named defendants were savvy or sophisticated enough to understand fully the electoral process, which the court does disagree because the document that was presented doesn't even align with the level of sophistication that they want me to believe," she said before announcing her decision.

"This alternate document doesn't state it's an official document of the state of Michigan," she continued, noting that the defendants did not attempt to forge the governor's signature or create a fake seal.

The decision is the latest in a yearslong legal saga over the alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 election results, which culminated in the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol. It also marks another failed effort by state and federal authorities to hold people involved legally accountable, from the federal charges against Trump that were dropped after he won the 2024 election to the pardons he issued for convicted rioters on his first day back in office.

The evidence was clear: They lied. They knew they lied, and they tried to steal the votes of millions of Michiganders," Nessel said of the defendants. "And if they can get away with this, well, what can they get away with next?"

"This was, in my belief, a coordinated attempt to overturn the will of the American people and reinstate Donald Trump as president, despite Joe Biden's victory in the election to that office," she added.

Nessel also referred to judges' "fear of retaliation and the ongoing intimidation of threats" during her opening remarks.

Asked by a reporter to clarify whether she believed that Simmons was worried about retaliation in this case, Nessel said she believed "it's likely that in some circumstances, there are judges out there that think about the threats they've received" as well as Trump's power, then decide not to challenge the president or his supporters. She did not clarify whether she believed this sentiment applied to Simmons' decision.

Naive judge is naive....at best. Corrupt at worst.

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darkace77450
09/09/25 1:08:58 PM
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"The prosecution would like the court to believe that these named defendants were savvy or sophisticated enough to understand fully the electoral process, which the court does disagree because the document that was presented doesn't even align with the level of sophistication that they want me to believe," she said before announcing her decision.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking the law, unless you're conspiring to undermine democracy in the name of Donald Trump.
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A_Good_Boy
09/09/25 1:09:43 PM
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jefffan posted...
Asked by a reporter to clarify whether she believed that Simmons was worried about retaliation in this case, Nessel said she believed "it's likely that in some circumstances, there are judges out there that think about the threats they've received" as well as Trump's power, then decide not to challenge the president or his supporters. She did not clarify whether she believed this sentiment applied to Simmons' decision.
Dang, imagine if so much time wasn't wasted on protesting against Dems.

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Bass
09/09/25 1:30:54 PM
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This country is a joke. At least Brazil knows that to do with their insurrectionists.

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DrizztLink
09/09/25 1:32:06 PM
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jefffan posted...
"The prosecution would like the court to believe that these named defendants were savvy or sophisticated enough to understand fully the electoral process, which the court does disagree because the document that was presented doesn't even align with the level of sophistication that they want me to believe," she said before announcing her decision.
I wasn't aware incompetence was a synonym for innocence.

Idiot.

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Deteled
09/09/25 1:34:38 PM
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"They tried to undermine democracy but it's okay because they weren't very good at it."

Sideshow Bob would be so happy to hear attempted murder isn't a crime anymore with that logic
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mybbqrules
09/09/25 2:19:25 PM
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Enjoy America while it lasts, people.

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tremain07
09/09/25 2:19:59 PM
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mybbqrules posted...
Enjoy America while it lasts, people.
About 8 months left of it

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SaikyoStyle
09/09/25 2:21:30 PM
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Im sure some very specific threats were issued from the federal government.

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Quezovercoatl
09/09/25 2:22:46 PM
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tremain07 posted...
About 8 months left of it
That seems like a lot, do we have past november even?
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Strider102
09/09/25 2:25:57 PM
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So that means we can claim ignorance and get away with whatever we want, right?

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Umbreon
09/09/25 2:26:36 PM
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Deteled posted...
"They tried to undermine democracy but it's okay because they weren't very good at it."

Sounds like all the people who can't post here anymore when they instead the domestic terrorists during 1/6 "Aren't really a threat".

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Proto_Spark
09/09/25 2:28:38 PM
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jefffan posted...
Asked by a reporter to clarify whether she believed that Simmons was worried about retaliation in this case, Nessel said she believed "it's likely that in some circumstances, there are judges out there that think about the threats they've received" as well as Trump's power, then decide not to challenge the president or his supporters. She did not clarify whether she believed this sentiment applied to Simmons' decision.

So... they were dismissed due to fear of retaliation.

This is just an acknowledgement that the game is already over.
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Takuya_Lee
09/09/25 2:29:29 PM
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Proto_Spark posted...
So... they were dismissed due to fear of retaliation.

This is just an acknowledgement that the game is already over.

No the game is NOT over. Not by a long shot. All this proves is this judge is a coward

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Accolon
09/09/25 2:30:28 PM
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So if the courts won't stop them

And Congress won't stop them

And the Republican base won't stop them

Really seems like we're down to our last option here.

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UnfairRepresent
09/09/25 2:32:20 PM
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Imagine if dudes broke into a store, tried to steal stuff and fell on their faces.

No cops or courts in the land would go "Well they sucked at it, so therefore they are free to go"

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A_Good_Boy
09/09/25 2:33:00 PM
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Accolon posted...
So if the courts won't stop them

And Congress won't stop them

And the Republican base won't stop them

Really seems like we're down to our last option here.
Voters didn't stop him either.

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Metal_Gear_Raxis
09/09/25 2:39:59 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Voters didn't stop him either.
That's not the last option.

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Deej
09/09/25 2:41:40 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Voters didn't stop him either.
I thought we weren't allowed to blame the voters, because reasons

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A_Good_Boy
09/09/25 2:43:40 PM
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Deej posted...
I thought we weren't allowed to blame the voters, because reasons
People on CE love saying that cause they were all gung-ho on voting against Dems but it took a few months after the fact for them to realize what that even means.

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Sayoria
09/09/25 3:31:26 PM
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Accolon posted...
So if the courts won't stop them

And Congress won't stop them

And the Republican base won't stop them

Really seems like we're down to our last option here.

I wish more people learned about Louis the 16th. While we are closing in on Nazi Germany, Louis the 16th history is the other side of the problem we are dealing with. Massive strain on the poor while the 'King' is enriching his aristocrats and seeking treasonous acts. Louis got his comeuppance however.

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CableZL
09/09/25 3:32:00 PM
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Crazy as hell

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Sandalorn
09/09/25 3:35:12 PM
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Now, now...you can't be angry, disappointed or scared. That makes you a 'doomer' or a 'pessimist'!!
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GranQroppoop
09/09/25 3:42:04 PM
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jefffan posted...
This crime wasn't done in a way that will get Scarlett Johansson to play me in a movie version, so it doesn't count. Judge Kristen D. Simmons announced Tuesday.

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Solar_Crimson
09/09/25 4:04:24 PM
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Accolon posted...
So if the courts won't stop them

And Congress won't stop them

And the Republican base won't stop them

Really seems like we're down to our last option here.
Indeed. These fucks are taking all the legal options off the table.

Of course, it's exactly what they want so that they can retaliate in kind.

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HighSeraph
09/09/25 4:05:11 PM
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Sandalorn posted...
Now, now...you can't be angry, disappointed or scared. That makes you a 'doomer' or a 'pessimist'!!
"Stop dooming!"
*thing happens*
"If only my positive attitude could've prevented this!"

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wanderingshade
09/09/25 4:17:19 PM
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Man, the country that became Nazi Germany fought harder to prevent right wing takeover then we currently are. What a bunch of shit.

Oh, they just so HAPPENED to try to use a method of illegitimately installing Donald Trump as President using forged, unofficial looking documents so that he would win states he actually didn't win. They didn't knowso it's fine.

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Quorthon109
09/09/25 4:17:44 PM
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Bass posted...
This country is a joke.

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name_unknown
09/09/25 6:20:03 PM
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Sayoria posted...
I wish more people learned about Louis the 16th. While we are closing in on Nazi Germany, Louis the 16th history is the other side of the problem we are dealing with. Massive strain on the poor while the 'King' is enriching his aristocrats and seeking treasonous acts. Louis got his comeuppance however.
Problem is the after math wasn't good reign of terror and all. Then become an empire under Napoleon. His wars were both for defense and aggressive. English civil war may be closer. A religious zealot like Cromwell would lead the charge.
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bIuerain
09/09/25 6:25:33 PM
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jefffan posted...
"The prosecution would like the court to believe that these named defendants were savvy or sophisticated enough to understand fully the electoral process, which the court does disagree because the document that was presented doesn't even align with the level of sophistication that they want me to believe," she said before announcing her decision.

"This alternate document doesn't state it's an official document of the state of Michigan," she continued, noting that the defendants did not attempt to forge the governor's signature or create a fake seal.

so the argument is that they were too fucking stupid to realize they were doing electoral fraud

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Strider102
09/09/25 6:28:58 PM
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bIuerain posted...
so the argument is that they were too fucking stupid to realize they were doing electoral fraud

Yep, so now we should be able to claim ignorance and do what we want.

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darkace77450
09/09/25 9:33:17 PM
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Sayoria posted...
I wish more people learned about Louis the 16th. While we are closing in on Nazi Germany, Louis the 16th history is the other side of the problem we are dealing with. Massive strain on the poor while the 'King' is enriching his aristocrats and seeking treasonous acts. Louis got his comeuppance however.

Louis didn't have a media empire pushing his propaganda or digital bread and circuses in the hands of every peasant, and the aristocracy wasn't protected by paramilitary wielding automatic weapons.
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2001mark
09/09/25 9:47:41 PM
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mybbqrules posted...
Enjoy America while it lasts, people.
It's over.
The rest of the world is done with your Epstein Island treehouse of a WH.
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divot1338
09/09/25 10:09:27 PM
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Any solution that doesnt begin with first they arrested and quickly arraigned the Justices who had accepted bribes and impeached the ones who had lied during confirmation is a temporary one at best.

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Kaitouace
09/10/25 4:25:38 AM
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Just like after the Civil War. Can't punish the traitors because reasons so they're free to keep doing it until they succeed. But let a minority have a tiny amount of recreational marijuana. Under the prison.

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darkace77450
09/10/25 8:04:17 AM
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Kaitouace posted...
Just like after the Civil War. Can't punish the traitors because reasons so they're free to keep doing it until they succeed. But let a minority have a tiny amount of recreational marijuana. Under the prison.

Why bury them when you can exploit them for labor instead?
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UnfairRepresent
09/13/25 5:34:49 AM
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darkace77450 posted...
Why bury them when you can exploit them for labor instead?
Depressing

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02fran
09/16/25 1:20:15 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3_PPdjD6mg
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Red_XIV
09/16/25 1:27:50 AM
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The prosecutors need to re-file the charges, with Judge Kristen D. Simmons added as a co-defendant.

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SpawnShadow
09/16/25 1:32:01 AM
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mybbqrules posted...
Enjoy America while it lasts, people.
It's already been killed, skinned, and made into a horrific flesh-mask by its killer.

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mistymermaid
09/16/25 3:04:19 AM
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bIuerain posted...
so the argument is that they were too fucking stupid to realize they were doing electoral fraud

Sadly, with the disturbed faculties a person must have to become a Republican, there might well be an argument to declare them incompetent to stand trial.

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Snip-N-Snails
09/18/25 9:15:58 AM
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Michigan is not alright.
https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/new-bill-aims-to-block-both-online-adult-content-and-vpns/

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