Current Events > Never really understood 'this game doesn't need a remake, it's perfect'

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I think Capcom dispelled this forever now that we have two different but equally perfect Resident Evil 4s

I mean that game is probably a perfect example. It already has the ideal design/feel. 3D would feel like a heavy downgrade.

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While I'd definitely play an HD-2D Chrono Trigger? I'd much prefer they at least get through Dragon Quest IV-VI first. Maybe also throw DQ VII on that list as well.

I basically want remasters or remakes of all the Dragon Quest games that don't already have PC releases so really I want 1-9 remastered or remade.

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I feel like chrono trigger is a pretty good example of why people don't want this considering all the weird things that have happened to it in remakes/rereleases

Tactics ogre reborn. I'd rather play the psp version.

vycebrand2 posted...

Tactics ogre reborn. I'd rather play the psp version.

That's because they went about fixing things that didn't need fixing.

I'm cool with remakes.

my philosophy is that, the original is there for the people who don't want/care for a remake, and that gamers have a new option, if they want one.

and in the best scenario, it also has new players check out the original.

also, while remakes are sometimes not as good as the originals, they often have their fans and their introduction, enjoyment, experience, etc. is as valid as fans of the original.

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Yes and it's right here

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2701660/DRAGON_QUEST_III_HD2D_Remake/

And I actually prefer it over the original.

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This post is lazy.

Remakes are anything but lazy. They're often made of new assets and engines created rom the ground up, and they might improve on the game mechanics and with QoL updates that the original lacked and/or didn't age well, as well as new oe remastered music, and voice dialogues.
If they don't exceed their source material with additional content, it's more than likely that devs and or fans wasn't looking for anything beyond that and want something close to the original experience, but reimagined with updated graphics.

Oot and Majoras Mask on 3DS are perfect examples of good remakes. Updated graphics while retaining the original art style (and brushing up on some), and with some QOL updates.

If we're talking about lazy, remasters could be that. Remasters with no improvements to bad control schemes

vycebrand2 posted...

Tactics ogre reborn. I'd rather play the psp version.

that was such a disappointing release. I really hope they don't fuck up FF Tactics in a similar way

solosnake posted...

that was such a disappointing release. I really hope they don't fuck up FF Tactics in a similar way

The FFT remake sounds like they're striving to have it super accurate, though there's some quality of life improvements such as not being forced into random battles, you now instead have a choice, which is greatly appreciated. I can't count the number of times I tried to dart on over to Dorter Trade city to do some shopping only to get into a damn random encounter on the way to or from there.

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SMRPG literally added an entire postgame that wasn't there in the original. They changed a lot more than just "three instances of added dialogue".

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I would call them lazy. Assets in remakes are completely made from scratch and weve had many remakes where they definitely better than the OG. At the very least you get to experience the game with modern graphics and some get to experience it for the first when they couldnt be bothered with the og due to outdated graphics and mechanics.

My only problem with remakes and remaster is that we get more of them than new exploratory titles. I've played RE4. The remake was good, but I could very easily live without it and would have rather taken a new story all together than a rehash.

iirc, making remakes tend to be "easier" since there's some kind of blueprint, but tbf (at least more recently), AAA developers have multiple teams where one might work on the remake(s) while the "main" team(s) work on other stuff (new IPs, sequels, etc.).

ND did it with TLoU 1 remake, with their B team, Nintendo did it with SMRPGr, Bloober did it with SH2r, Capcom did it with the Resident Evil remakes, and so on.

I think Konami is the only one prioritizing remakes (with the exception of Silent Hill f) since they're re-building their reputation.

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The Resident Evil remakes were all superior.

I know there are people who disagree but I wouldn't be able to play the OG versions today.

The big issue I have is I want games to be remade, but largely remakes or either lazy and disappointing or they change too much. I was so excited for the FF7 remakes but I didn't like how much they changed. Maybe I'll get them on a steam sale or something but I don't need action rpgs I wanted a turn based remake.

Evolician posted...

I think Capcom dispelled this forever now that we have two different but equally perfect Resident Evil 4s

Yeah I'm actually quite impressed with how well both RE4's scratch different itches in equally excellent ways.

Evolician posted...

I think Capcom dispelled this forever now that we have two different but equally perfect Resident Evil 4s

They dispelled that in 2002 when they made a remake of the original that was superior in every conceivable way.

I only like remakes that update graphics/music and fix bugs and leave everything else exactly the same as the original. I do not like remakes that drastically change the game.

I'm okay with like maybe one new level/area added to a remake that's completely optional though.

Evolician posted...

I think Capcom dispelled this forever now that we have two different but equally perfect Resident Evil 4s

This is hard to debate. Although I'm still baffled by the sound design in the remake, wtf?

The argument can go both ways, a game despite all its faults can be perfectly serviceable to modern audiences and act as a time capsule, capturing a specific moment in culture and technology and on the flipside, using modern quality of life improvements to make the game more accessible to a wider audience is also great!

The problem is that a portion of the time, a lot of what made the original so appealing gets changed for the sake of modernity, or sometimes just completely re-written to serve some other purpose (Final Fantasy VII Remake). You, rightfully, could also make the argument that a remake or remaster doesn't invalidate the existence of the original. While that's true it does steer the "intent" of the original in a new direction, but then again everyone usually has a specific and nostalgia driven opinion on the games of their childhood so who's to say which is better.

Honestly, I'm not a fan of most remakes because if I really like the game, chances are I already own it. Simply updating graphics doesn't do a lot for me.

I'll always prefer the FF7R style of remake simply because it didn't just sell me the exact same game I've played 30+ times already.

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My problem with FF7R was with the marketing, which marketed it as a legitimate remake initially. The game itself is fine barring a few glaring issues that were largely fixed(imo) in Rebirth.

Spoilers, but spoilering it still just so people don't complain: It's closer to a multiverse/alternate timeline story than a remake. Which is alright, a bit of a trope that I despise, but the nostalgia covers it acceptably for me.

Remakes and EEs and whatnot aren't a problem as long as they're meaningful.

RE4 changed enough in gameplay, story, and overall presentation to be worth it.

Then you get things like the Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous EE, where I honestly cannot think of a single thing they updated offhand.

Remakes are a hard sell for me. Pretty much the only reasons I would ever play one are:

1. I never played the original.
2. It actually does something interesting (in other words, it wasn't made this decade).

This kid doesnt need a remake, its perfect the way it is.

Pantherkid posted...

The problem is that a portion of the time, a lot of what made the original so appealing gets changed for the sake of modernity, or sometimes just completely re-written to serve some other purpose (Final Fantasy VII Remake).

Final Fantasy VII Remake is a sequel though, not a remake.

HighSeraph posted...

That's because they went about fixing things that didn't need fixing.

Yeah. 2 things needed fixing. Archery was over powered. Crafting was the other. Nothing else.

Took out the customization, took out random battles, limited abilities more than there was . Union levels, Auto Boss Cards. Training is boring, recruiting anything towards the end of the game that you might eant to prepare for post game you have to do the woods over and over. You cant just select what map you want to do . You have to do it over and over and over. It was shameful, What they did. Its so bad I havent bought a SE game since and the exception was Romancing Song Minstral Song. Notice that was a straight port btw.

vycebrand2 posted...

Its so bad I havent bought a SE game since and the exception was Romancing Song Minstral Song. Notice that was a straight port btw.

You should play Romancing Saga 2: Revenge of the Seven, that game's goddamn excellent.

im mostly fine with remakes. the resident evil series is mostly good with them. i also enjoy the ocarina of time remake

generally unless a game is comprised of fuck-ugly polygons or some remnant of a transitionary era of gaming, i dont want remakes. im an insane god of war fanboy, and id buy a remake in a second, but i dont feel it necessary.

Nor me. Even for the few cases where i feel the original was better im still happy the remake exists.

I don't mind remakes personally.

I can play the original FF7 for example once every year or so, and can play Remake/Rebirth, and later the third game, and while their may be additions I didn't particularly care for, I still enjoy it just fine.

And if there are people that can't play the original anymore because "the graphics just don't hold up anymore" that's a personal problem and not the fault of the original and nor is a remake meant to replace originals.

Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...

You should play Romancing Saga 2: Revenge of the Seven, that game's goddamn excellent.

Legit my favorite remake ever, and was my GotY that year tbh.

The original Dragon Quest required using Command Menu for stairs.

Even if remakes can easily be a misfire, not everything was done perfect first time around.

old game bad

new game good

hd 2d is so ugly

anttttt posted...

hd 2d is so ugly

I respectfully disagree.

I would like a more accurate to the original he remake of wild arms, as alter code F changed way too many things I didnt like.

I did enjoy the extra characters though, but some other changes just sucked imo.

KeeperOfShadows posted...

Honestly, I'm not a fan of most remakes because if I really like the game, chances are I already own it. Simply updating graphics doesn't do a lot for me.

I'll always prefer the FF7R style of remake simply because it didn't just sell me the exact same game I've played 30+ times already.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b351c05f.jpg

Friggin' exactly man.

I had a lot more stuff typed out reflecting my thoughts on this, but the gist is that I vastly prefer having 2 potentially cool different yet can be familiar takes on my favorite classic video games.

I like seiken densetsu 3, but I also love trials of mana. Trials of mana does not invalidate the original SNES game's existence or do anything to take away from it. That original SNES release will always be there no matter what.

For people who claim to hate remakes (definitely BS imo, lol. There is at times remakes that people wouldn't even know exists unless someone told them it does), I am sure they still appreciate something like star ocean 1 first departure being a thing compared to it's original SNES release. Likewise for resident evil 1 remake compared to original resident evil.

I agree about final fantasy 7's though. That is by far my preferred way to do a video game remake. Go all the hell in compared to this playing it extremely safe type of mentality. Original FF7 is one of my favorite video games of all time. I played the hell out of this game, and still love it alot today. I have multiple ways to still play the original version if I chose to do so. FF7 remake+rebirth does nothing to invalidate the original's existence, and FF7 remake existence won't make the original version just poof out of reality.

I am grateful square-enix actually did what they did for FF7 remake+rebirth compared to playing it safe with a star ocean 2 R type of release. (Star ocean 2 R's in my opinion feeling like wasted potential. I am also a huge star ocean 2 fan with SO2 still easily being my favorite of the series. I wanted so much more for that game compared to what we ended up getting. I really wanted star ocean anamnesis-like 3D models for all of my favorite star ocean 2 characters, =/).

FF7R is literally the worst way to do a remake cause it's not really a remake and shouldn't be sold as one.