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Dio
08/03/25 9:58:46 AM
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https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/democratic-governors-throw-support-newsom-back-partisan-redistricting/story?id=124295711

GOOD. GOOD. Democrats need to fight fire with fire now. Republicans don't give a damn about cheating in order to win so we need to play by their rules from now on..


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darkmaian23
08/03/25 10:01:55 AM
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In the short term it might be good, but in the long term won't it lead to further erosion of our democracy? Both parties cheating doesn't make it fair.

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monkmith
08/03/25 10:02:51 AM
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darkmaian23 posted...
In the short term it might be good, but in the long term won't it lead to further erosion of our democracy? Both parties cheating doesn't make it fair.
look at the federal government right now and tell me democracy isn't dead already...

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Sayoria
08/03/25 10:07:35 AM
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The Onion Soon:
Wyoming, mad at Gavin Newsom, retaliates with plan to counter-redistrict.

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legendary_zell
08/03/25 10:08:28 AM
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Can't worry about long term effects right now. Unilaterally disarming when the GOP is going for the whole game right now is death.

Either this gets the GOP to back off or restrict this plan or it'll be necessary if they make a naked power grab.

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SaikyoStyle
08/03/25 10:10:48 AM
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People often forget that Democrats can be quite ruthless. Mostly because they reserve that sort of thing for other, more progressive Democrats.

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Dio
08/03/25 10:30:46 AM
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darkmaian23 posted...
In the short term it might be good, but in the long term won't it lead to further erosion of our democracy? Both parties cheating doesn't make it fair.

Republicans will do it if Democrats don't. They're already doing it here in Houston and trying to turn the last bastion of blue into red.

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divot1338
08/03/25 10:38:41 AM
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darkmaian23 posted...
In the short term it might be good, but in the long term won't it lead to further erosion of our democracy? Both parties cheating doesn't make it fair.
There is a concern but the fact is Republicans are shamelessly doing this and increased winning only cements their control of the Supreme Court. And theyre the ones who can stop gerrymandering.

Extreme redistricting needs to be the order of the day until we retake the court. Be ruthless.

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Evening_Dragon
08/03/25 10:38:44 AM
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darkmaian23 posted...
In the short term it might be good, but in the long term won't it lead to further erosion of our democracy? Both parties cheating doesn't make it fair.
The new polimeta is that cheating doesn't matter as long as you change policy to make it kosher post-implementation


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Garioshi
08/03/25 10:45:44 AM
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Good. Gerrymander anywhere and everywhere you can. Anything you do to fight back against fascists is justified, plus the system is rigged foe the GOP anyway.

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hivebent4life
08/03/25 10:49:25 AM
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The Supreme Court will rule that gerrymandering is legal for Republican states, and illegal for Democrat states

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McmadnessV3
08/03/25 10:51:30 AM
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What does this mean exactly?

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nocturnal_traveler
08/03/25 10:54:58 AM
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SaikyoStyle posted...
People often forget that Democrats can be quite ruthless. Mostly because they reserve that sort of thing for other, more progressive Democrats.
That's what always frustrated me about them. I'll support them for now, but the more progressive Dems need a good strategy for when the establishment eventually goes back to being limp wristed.

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darkknight109
08/03/25 10:57:36 AM
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darkmaian23 posted...
In the short term it might be good, but in the long term won't it lead to further erosion of our democracy? Both parties cheating doesn't make it fair.
Sure. But the more both sides gerrymander, the easier it gets to push the case for reformation that will outlaw partisan gerrymandering.

The Republicans do it right now because they can. And they don't want to fix it because Democrats aren't doing it (as much), so it's to their advantage to keep it. Make it a system that benefits Democrats and watch as the Republicans clamor to change it.

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UnholyMudcrab
08/03/25 10:59:27 AM
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Sayoria posted...
The Onion Soon:
Wyoming, mad at Gavin Newsom, retaliates with plan to counter-redistrict.
Onion, nothing, this will be an actual headline. I'm pretty sure Wyoming has already done something like that before.

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Scardude
08/03/25 11:09:48 AM
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It should be done with an independent body that can not be influenced by outside agitators. But neither side will give up the power they cultivate.

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Sayoria
08/03/25 11:12:50 AM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
Onion, nothing, this will be an actual headline. I'm pretty sure they've already done something like that before.

This a whoosh moment?

Wyoming only has one legislator. They really can't re-district. Nor would it matter unless more people moved there.

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reincarnator07
08/03/25 11:49:25 AM
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darkmaian23 posted...
In the short term it might be good, but in the long term won't it lead to further erosion of our democracy? Both parties cheating doesn't make it fair.
You're already there. Your politicians are all for sale, the districting is already insane and the electoral college ensures that you can't get away from the best of 2 shitty parties. Trump defiles the constitution every day and the courts and congress support him doing so. What democracy is there left to erode?

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08/03/25 1:00:12 PM
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darkmaian23 posted...
In the short term it might be good, but in the long term won't it lead to further erosion of our democracy? Both parties cheating doesn't make it fair.


https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ScrewTheRulesTheyBrokeThemFirst

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wanderingshade
08/03/25 1:00:52 PM
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I'm sure if it happens the unhinged California republicans will lose their mind.

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TheSuperSilver
08/03/25 1:09:38 PM
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hivebent4life posted...
The Supreme Court will rule that gerrymandering is legal for Republican states, and illegal for Democrat states


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BB_mofo
08/03/25 1:49:20 PM
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hivebent4life posted...
he Supreme Court will rule that gerrymandering is legal for Republican states, and illegal for Democrat states

There is this little trick that the Republicans have taught that if you do it at the last possible minute, the courts won't be able to act fast enough.

(I assume this is the reason Democratic states haven't said they are definitely going to do this).

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Doom_Art
08/03/25 1:56:20 PM
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darkmaian23 posted...
In the short term it might be good, but in the long term won't it lead to further erosion of our democracy? Both parties cheating doesn't make it fair.
i'm not in favour of unilateral disarmament

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BlackScythe0
08/03/25 2:03:32 PM
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darkmaian23 posted...
In the short term it might be good, but in the long term won't it lead to further erosion of our democracy? Both parties cheating doesn't make it fair.
I don't get this perspective, we are already at a point where I question how we can peacefully overcome the fascists. We need to be doing everything in our power to resist them.
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lilORANG
08/03/25 2:06:11 PM
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darkmaian23 posted...
In the short term it might be good, but in the long term won't it lead to further erosion of our democracy? Both parties cheating doesn't make it fair.
No. US democracy is over. Not just bc Trump (tho largely bc of him) but because our constitution is simply not equipped to deal with modern issues and it won't get better without another constitutional convention. That is extremely unlikely without revolution, so "cheating" to maintain a positive way of life is about all we can do. Problem is, republicans have a head start.

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LightHawKnight
08/03/25 2:07:32 PM
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I believe what Brian Tyler Cohen says on this is true, just fighting fire with fire isnt enough. Instead of going with regular gerrymandering when Republicans do it, they need to push for more to actually make it hurt. If they want 5 seats in Texas, Democrats must demand twice as many seats elsewhere. Make it really hurt.

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NintendoFan81
08/03/25 3:23:22 PM
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The nonsense in these topics are just getting worse. Why not try to be helpful instead of snark, sarcasm, dooming and/or bait?
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08/03/25 3:35:08 PM
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Hospy
08/03/25 3:37:30 PM
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I think it's bad but the alternative is even worse so I guess I'm fine with it.
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ZMythos
08/03/25 3:57:11 PM
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darkmaian23 posted...
In the short term it might be good, but in the long term won't it lead to further erosion of our democracy? Both parties cheating doesn't make it fair.
There's nothing hypocritical about using undemocratic means to eliminate fascism.

Redistricting far right extremism out of relevancy is like cutting out a tumor.

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NintendoFan81
08/03/25 4:40:27 PM
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ZMythos posted...
There's nothing hypocritical about using undemocratic means to eliminate fascism.

Redistricting far right extremism out of relevancy is like cutting out a tumor.

I agree.

Wisconsin is a big example. Dems finally have the supreme court there, so hopefully maps can get changed. They've been gerrymandered there for a while.
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mybbqrules
08/03/25 5:06:11 PM
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darkmaian23 posted...
In the short term it might be good, but in the long term won't it lead to further erosion of our democracy? Both parties cheating doesn't make it fair.
Donald Trump is literally trying to get rid of due process.

Our democracy has one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel RIGHT NOW.

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BB_mofo
08/03/25 5:43:05 PM
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ZMythos posted...
There's nothing hypocritical about using undemocratic means to eliminate fascism.

Lincoln famously suspended the writ of Habeas Corpus to prevent spies from leaking intelligence to the Confederacy. That was the right call considering the end result was the survival of the nation.

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